Appleyard:


Say you were shocked and disappointed at the same time, lol. Or do you expect the western Lamestream media to have reported it? Nah...that's is not in the Ukraine-is-winning scripted narrative.

You see you, I'm not disputing if Russia S-400 shutdown Ukrainain Jet, Both side have been knocking eachother,

But I'm disputing the lie you told about S-400 stationed in Belarus shutdown Jet in kiev.

BritishNaija:


You see you, I'm not disputing if Russia S-400 shutdown Ukrainain Jet, Both side have been knocking eachother,

But I'm disputing the lie you told about S-400 stationed in Belarus shutdown Jet in kiev.

Did you read the news and headline? Russia have not, and did not deploy the S-400 in Ukraine, but in Belarus, and is from there it took out the plane. Read it again.

Appleyard:


The major problem with you is that you always allow your jingoistic emotional outplay to beguile your sense of reasoning and fact checking.

Israel used the F35 in Syria on October 16, 2017 to be precise. Check the attached picture below.

It doesn't matter whether the Syrian claim is the true account of the event that happened that day. The fact is, the F-35 was damaged and Israel said it was a bird strike that damaged the plane, which is even more embarrassing. Of what use is a plane that cost 96 million if a single bird can take it out? That's the question. Moreover, prior to that incident, there was no reported case of an IDF plane involving a bird strike two weeks backward. Why claiming it was a bird strike now if the plane wasn't involved in the raid carried out to prove a point to the visiting Russian General? And if the news wasn't reported two weeks ago, how did the Syrian army knew about the damaged F-35? Use your sense. Funny enough, the news about the damaged F35 flying coffin was first carried by an Israeli news outlet as at when the Syrians made public their claim. It was obvious the IDF was just trying to manage the embarrassment by claiming it was a bird strike, an incident they said happened two weeks ago that no news body deemed it fit to report considering the status of the fighter plane. How alluring. They can only fool kids like you, not folks like us. Deductive and logical reasoning affirms that the F35 was hit by fragment of Syrian counter battery fire.




It's obvious you're one of those simpletons who are bewildered by sounds of words, rather than the reality of their meaning and usage.

Who told you stealth means invisibility? Stealth only reduces a plane radar signature, and increase the pilot survivability. Otherwise, it doesn't make you invisible as some of you kids love to parrot. In a hotly contested aerier environment that include the likes of the S-400, your stealth technology is just another useless expensive piece of metal. If the Serbs can take out a US Stealth fighter with an outdated 1960 Soviet SAM, know that none of your stealth fighters stand a chance in a highly contested environment involving modern defense systems. Stop kidding yourself.



What is this? Is Algeria benefitting from US fighter programs? Is China benefiting from US fighter program? It's even obvious you don't know what you're talking about. The proliferation of advanced enemy systems like the Russian S-400 and other notable armaments from Russia and China pose a serious risk of eroding US ultimate advantage in different areas of warefare especially in the air. Why weren't they sanctioning countries that purchase Russian weapons before now? Have you asked yourself?

With this your long epistle, you still failed to make sense or clerify things. Instead your expose your lack of knowledge.

First, The News that Syria hit F35 is false, you also do not know anything about Bird strike, because if you do, you should know it has been bringing down planes no matter the cost of the plane and should be avoided at all cost.

Again, No one know told you that Shealth means total invisibility of the Aircraft.. For example, If S-400 can detect and engage f-16 from 400km, it can't detect Shealth plane until tens of kilometers, which makes it too late. B-2 Bomber is the most dangerous, as it has radar cross section the size of a bee, even if the S-400 manages to detect it at that size, it can't engage it.

Please when did US rebuffed China from buying S-400? You have Come again, What business does US have with China acquiring S-400?


And stop posting false news, Israel F-35s Started flying sorties Into Syria in 2018 and was never combat ready in 2017, talkless of being hit.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/22/613259802/israel-says-f-35s-see-first-ever-combat-with-idf-over-syria

Appleyard:


Did you read the news and headline? Russia have not, and did not deploy the S-400 in Ukraine, but in Belarus, and is from there it took out the plane. Read it again.

That is a False. Russia have never engaged Ukraine forces or lunched Missile attacks from Belarus until days ago, Which was Well published. And was done by it bombers. Do not swallow everything you read, verify first.


Any attack done by Russia from Belarus will be Well detected and published

BritishNaija:


Another backyard analyst, For crying out loud, how do you believe this thing you wrote above?

US will lose all their Aircraft? Jeez, that alone shows you are in square one.

For the benefit doubt, i do like to engage you, Kindly highlight Why you think US will lose all their Aircraft, Since it obvious you are ignorant of the countermeasures of those Aircraft, I do like to engage you, waiting.

Accept the fact all USA aircraft carrier will be sunk in minutes

All airbase in Europe will all be neutralized


There is No defense against hypersonic weapons currently

Bashing left, right and centre from Africans that haven't even figured out how to manufacture ordinary matchstick and toothpick. So much for giant of Africa

ken6488:


Accept the fact all USA aircraft carrier will be sunk in minutes

All airbase in Europe will all be neutralized


There is No defense against hypersonic weapons currently

What nonesense are you spitting? Please go and read the capabilities of Carriers, Floating military cities, Since when does Hypersonic missiles became a threat to US?
The only leverage Russia have is it Nuclear stockpiles, if not, They are just another Sadam Iraq Era.

Kai, he even typed that US Carriers will be sunk in minutes, different grades of persons on NL.

BritishNaija:


What nonesense are you spitting? Please go and read the capabilities of Carriers, Floating military cities, Since when does Hypersonic missiles became a threat to US?
The only leverage Russia have is it Nuclear stockpiles, if not, They are just another Sadam Iraq Era.

Kai, he even typed that US Carriers will be sunk in minutes, different grades of persons on NL.

you think this is the 90 I lough you

We have carriers killers now

ken6488:
you think this is the 90 I lough you

We have carriers killers now

What is the operational range of Hypersonic missiles, lets assume its 1500miles, If Aircraft Carriers are 3000miles if you manage to locate one, Then how do you get those Missiles to them?

BritishNaija:


What is the operational range of Hypersonic missiles, lets assume its 1500miles, If Aircraft Carriers are 3000miles if you manage to locate one, Then how do you get those Missiles to them?

Russia has misles capable of circulating the earth

ken6488:
Russia has misles capable of circulating the earth

Please we are talking about the hypersonic. All advanced Nations have missiles capable of hitting Anywhere on earth.

seunny4lif:
@Simeonjoe1
USA only use guided missiles if they just want to hit just one particular target but if it’s just a military attack just like Russia is doing in Ukraine then USA are far worst than Russia.
Ukraine today still have electricity and fuel meaning Russia are good compare to NATO bombardment in Libya that I lived and witnessed.
I will take Russia way more than USA and her allies NATO.
USA don’t care about civilians death as long as it’s not USA citizens.

All the former USA military commanders have said if it’s USA military in Ukraine, B52 bombers will be bombing nonstop just like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Imagine 4 months war and around 5K civilians have been killed compared USA leads attacked in Iraq within a month killed thousands civilians from indiscriminate bombing by B52 unguided bombs.

Imagine Russia attacking Ukraine yet celebrities and head of states are still visiting Ukraine not only that but they are hosting parties as in parties , meaning Russia is playing with Ukraine.
If it’s USA attacking Ukraine, there wouldn’t be anything moving

The only USA defence system not yet tested is THAAD but the others have proved to be useless, first by Israel and by the Saudi Arabia after Yemen Houtis attacked on Saudi every time.
The USA even withdrew the Patriot system from Saudi, I think late last year saying they want to fixed it or something like that.

USA offered Turkey to buy Patriot system and return S400 to Russia, Turkey said NO and of the reason was the USA defence system was called Failure by Saudi and Israeli government.

UAE and Saudi want to buy those Russia systems but the USA blocked it, if the USA didn’t block, that will allow us to know if the S400 is the best or not.
USA blocking it shows the system is far better than anything USA have in their defence system.

Man while it's understandable that civilian casualiities always occurs in confrontation. But you can't measure Russian level of devastation to that of the US. Do you see the effects of Russia war in Chenchen and that of Georgia. Russia largely really on unguided munitions and rocket barrage. In times of guided/smart munitions US has far more than Russia and they readily employ it in engagements despite its more expensive. But the way its employed its now the source of arguments, they can waste a single million dollars bomb just on few terrorists on a building or level an entire city block. Look at their actions against ISIS in Syria/Iraq during the height of the caliphate, can Russian sustain that amount of shorties even so with the different smart bombs US are using. It's recently Russian has started employing guided bombs in large part of its operation even so its still limited as the bulk of their munitions are unguided. Concerning Ukraine, they are many international watchers and you will even agree that Russia is restricting its self for a full blown devastating attack. If not you'll be seeing level of destruction as in Chechnya.

Patriot missiles has proven their effectiveness in recent times, no account did Isreal or even Saudi officials mention the patriot to be ineffective even as of late last year, Saudi officials are even pleading with the US and other regional power to help replenish their low missile number to show its been effective. An independent assessment even show that since 2015 patriot systems in the middle east has intercepted more than 150 different projectiles with an effectiveness greater than 90%. The report of the patriot being ineffective is usually the old ones that happens during the gulf War, mind you patriot is just new into service and its not better optimized for engaging cruise/ballistic missile but airbreathing target like aircraft. And in factoring out their effectiveness, experts greatly look at it abilities in destroying the missile warheads and not just in disrupting the missile flight. This assessment greatly diminished the effectiveness as some missiles engaged still have active warheads which can still be potentially dangerous. This is due to the engaging mechanism of the patriot missiles with uses proximity fuses instead of hit to kill technology then. Over the past years US have carried out various upgrades on the missile system, their radars, software upgaredes you have PAC 2GM, PAC 3 MAC, and latest PAAC4 that will rival s400 in terms of range. It's also good to note tagt that after the gulf War, the other subsequent conflict has seen the patriot performs exceedingly well in operation Iraqi free, even Isreal still uses the patriot for air defense and they've employ it in successive engagement during Gaza conflict, Saudi and other Arab countries also have successfully engagement.

In terms of usage, successful engagement and battlefield experience the patriot is far ahead of the s400 as we are yet to witness the s400 in action and even more so against ballistic/cruise missiles. But on paper the s400 is ticking all the boxes.

Simeonjoe1:


Man while it's understandable that civilian casualiities always occurs in confrontation. But you can't measure Russian level of devastation to that of the US. Do you see the effects of Russia war in Chenchen and that of Georgia. Russia largely really on unguided munitions and rocket barrage. In times of guided/smart munitions US has far more than Russia and they readily employ it in engagements despite its more expensive. But the way its employed its now the source of arguments, they can waste a single million dollars bomb just on few terrorists on a building or level an entire city block. Look at their actions against ISIS in Syria/Iraq during the height of the caliphate, can Russian sustain that amount of shorties even so with the different smart bombs US are using. It's recently Russian has started employing guided bombs in large part of its operation even so its still limited as the bulk of their munitions are unguided. Concerning Ukraine, they are many international watchers and you will even agree that Russia is restricting its self for a full blown devastating attack. If not you'll be seeing level of destruction as in Chechnya.

Patriot missiles has proven their effectiveness in recent times, no account did Isreal or even Saudi officials mention the patriot to be ineffective even as of late last year, Saudi officials are even pleading with the US and other regional power to help replenish their low missile number to show its been effective. An independent assessment even show that since 2015 patriot systems in the middle east has intercepted more than 150 different projectiles with an effectiveness greater than 90%. The report of the patriot being ineffective is usually the old ones that happens during the gulf War, mind you patriot is just new into service and its not better optimized for engaging cruise/ballistic missile but airbreathing target like aircraft. And in factoring out their effectiveness, experts greatly look at it abilities in destroying the missile warheads and not just in disrupting the missile flight. This assessment greatly diminished the effectiveness as some missiles engaged still have active warheads which can still be potentially dangerous. This is due to the engaging mechanism of the patriot missiles with uses proximity fuses instead of hit to kill technology then. Over the past years US have carried out various upgrades on the missile system, their radars, software upgaredes you have PAC 2GM, PAC 3 MAC, and latest PAAC4 that will rival s400 in terms of range. It's also good to note tagt that after the gulf War, the other subsequent conflict has seen the patriot performs exceedingly well in operation Iraqi free, even Isreal still uses the patriot for air defense and they've employ it in successive engagement during Gaza conflict, Saudi and other Arab countries also have successfully engagement.

In terms of usage, successful engagement and battlefield experience the patriot is far ahead of the s400 as we are yet to witness the s400 in action and even more so against ballistic/cruise missiles. But on paper the s400 is ticking all the boxes.

Patriot anti missile system that the Houthis compromised several times. Were there no Patriot system in Saudi arabia when the houthis flew their drones over saudi aramco facilities to bomb oil facilities in 2019. Even it shocked the world how it happened in spite of the air defence systems in Saudi.

Houthis have launched ballistic and cruise missiles that reached their tartgets like airports. Government buildings, residential buildings in Saudi. May be you weren't listening to news when those events happened.

About the Patriot defense system, i watched in a week as the Houthis bombed Saudi Aramco 3 times. I dont know about the THAAD but Patriot is useless.

Hanibbal:


Patriot anti missile system that the Houthis compromised several times. Were there no Patriot system in Saudi arabia when the houthis flew their drones over saudi armco facilities to bomb oil facilities in 2019. Even it shocked the world how it happened in spite of the air defence systems in Saudi.

Houthis have launched ballistic and cruise missiles that reached their tartgets like airports. Government buildings, residential buildings in Saudi. May be you weren't listening to news when those events happened.

The US even blamed the Saudis that maybe they were sleeping and forgot to turn on the defense system.

3 times the Houthis breached the defense system in a week.

Drenimarcus:
About the Patriot defense system, i watched in a week as the Houthis bombed Saudi Aramco 3 times. I dont know about the THAAD but Patriot is useless.

Even the THAAD. Cause saudi Arabia operated THAAD as at the time of the Aramco attack. So we have to question the effectiveness of these defence systems.

Onigawara:


I mean what I said and I will stand my ground!
Aircraft carriers are literally sitting ducks.
This is not the era when ships were a force to reckon with.

In an all out war, do you realize that the Russians would be putting into use their intercontinental ballistic missiles?

Let's assume a scenario where russia launches a surprise attack, with their ICBM on the naval base where these ships are ducked. Like I said, aircraft carriers are very big ships which would make them a sitting duck. Russia literally sees where they are via satellite images. Meaning, strikes could be called upon them any time and anywhere. The funny thing is, befire russia does that, I mean we all know that Russia dominates in space. So I'd expect Russian space weapons to have taken out us satellites in space, leaving them totally dumbfounded.

If the USA chooses to sail the ships from their docks, and into the sea to reduce the risk of getting dunked, Russia can sent its destroyers and nuclear torpedo submarines after them. It is worth nothing that, just 5 hypersonic missiles could take down a US navy aircraft carriers and ten for the most advanced which is the USS Gerald.

This isn't the era when countries attack blindly without having proper intel on what they're dealing with. These days, there are satellites to monitor enemy movements and the number and capability of enemy you would be facing. Naval battle would be completely disastrous in the next warfare. Why?

Apart from submarines which moves deep in the sea, there's absolutely noway to mask your ship movement in the sea. On land, it is possible to transport military hardwares and troops at nights, without satellites seeing it. It is also possible to camouflage your equipments using trees and leaves.

Meanwhile on sea, moving aircraft carriers to and fro would be seen, giving your enemy the opportunity to set in place, the perfect counters for whatever you're bringing.

For instance, let's assume the USA is moving its naval fleet to attack Crimea or saints pertersburg. The Russians would see the movement glaring and transport bastion coastal anti ship missiles to the coastal cities of saints Petersburg and move too its destroyers, as well as anti submarine aircrafts. Russua would've known how many ships, the nature of the ships, the extimated arrival time and how to counter them. So they will set in place the perfect counter for the attack.


Let me ask you a question. When Japan surprised the US by attacking pearl harbor, we all know that they destroyed pretty much every ship that was docked in the naval base.
The question is, would the result have been the same if the USA knew that they would be attacked? Imagine satellites existed then, and the USA saw Japanese movement with aircraft carriers loaded with bombers and attack aircrafts and destroyers, wouldn't they have prepared for them? Would any of the Japanese ship had escaped that day? No, they would've been crushed

very intelligent analysis

That dude is looking at the whole thing from pro western lens

BritishNaija:


That is a False. Russia have never engaged Ukraine forces or lunched Missile attacks from Belarus until days ago, Which was Well published. And was done by it bombers. Do not swallow everything you read, verify first.


Any attack done by Russia from Belarus will be Well detected and published

It's fact, not false. Many other reports carried it.

Appleyard:


It's fact, not false. Many other reports carried it.

It's False,never happened.

BritishNaija:


It's False,never happened.

Always talking nonsense.

A little research will save you all the embarrassments

Russian has always conducted airstrikes from Belarus even at the early stage of the special operation

Your pea sized brain is your biggest undoing

isokomarine:
American are not scientifically good, they only buy other people brain

Steal you mean. Like they stole Nazi technology

Some hypersonic or Mr Hypersonic slowpoke is craving for my attention, I have already locked you up where you belong and left the key in the Atlantic Ocean, Try again.

BritishNaija:

With this your long epistle, you still failed to make sense or clerify things. Instead your expose your lack of knowledge.

First, The News that Syria hit F35 is false, you also do not know anything about Bird strike, because if you do, you should know it has been bringing down planes no matter the cost of the plane and should be avoided at all cost.

Again, No one know told you that Shealth means total invisibility of the Aircraft.. For example, If S-400 can detect and engage f-16 from 400km, it can't detect Shealth plane until tens of kilometers, which makes it too late. B-2 Bomber is the most dangerous, as it has radar cross section the size of a bee, even if the S-400 manages to detect it at that size, it can't engage it.

Please when did US rebuffed China from buying S-400? You have Come again, What business does US have with China acquiring S-400?


And stop posting false news, Israel F-35s Started flying sorties Into Syria in 2018 and was never combat ready in 2017, talkless of being hit.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/22/613259802/israel-says-f-35s-see-first-ever-combat-with-idf-over-syria

French Intelligence report made published by a French journalist, Thomas Newdick, in Airforces Monthly, reaffirmed irmed Israel rushed the F-35 into action against Syrian missile batteries and shipment to Hezbollah one month after receiving them from the US.

No matter how they tried to twist it, is obvious they used the plane in 2017. Stop making excuses for them.

Appleyard:


French Intelligence report made published by a French journalist, Thomas Newdick, in Airforces Monthly, reaffirmed irmed Israel rushed the F-35 into action against Syrian missile batteries and shipment to Hezbollah one month after receiving them from the US.

No matter how they tried to twist it, is obvious they used the plane in 2017. Stop making excuses for them.

Yea. I Guess the French journalist is now the Pilot.
There is one thing you fail to understand, Aircraft like F-35, if it was successfully hit by a missile, you can never hid the fact and it will leak out No matter what, and US will ground it and check for the defficiency that caused the problem. You know and saw how two F-35 crashed Into the Sea and saw how it was leaked? That is to tell you the kind if awareness being given to the plane.

So the News is false.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israels-f-35s-saw-combat-in-syrian-air-war-that-hit-russian-defenses-2018-5%3famp

BritishNaija:



But you can't destroy their Jet Aircraft, and They keep building more powerful ones.

When the USA fights a modern near peer opponent, then we'll talk and decide.

ocelot2006:


When the USA fights a modern near peer opponent, then we'll talk and decide.

You don't need War to decide things, the facts are there. Nigeria can not Defeat Egypt in War Simply because Egypt have more superior Military Hardwares. Same goes to US and Russia without going nuclear.

BritishNaija:


Yea. I Guess the French journalist is now the Pilot.
There is one thing you fail to understand, Aircraft like F-35, if it was successfully hit by a missile, you can never hid the fact and it will leak out No matter what, and US will ground it and check for the defficiency that caused the problem. You know and saw how two F-35 crashed Into the Sea and saw how it was leaked? That is to tell you the kind if awareness being given to the plane.

So the News is false.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/israels-f-35s-saw-combat-in-syrian-air-war-that-hit-russian-defenses-2018-5%3famp

Shallow excuses.

BritishNaija:


It's False,never happened.

So from where did it strike the plane? In Ukraine of from Poland?

Just like Lysichansk falling in two days never happened.

Appleyard:


So from where did it strike the plane? In Ukraine of from Poland?

Just like Lysichansk falling in two days never happened.

Argue on what we are arguing and stop bringing in another topic. There was no time in the beginning of the War that S-400 stationed in Belarus striked Jet in Kiev, stop promoting one senseless propaganda.

Appleyard:


Shallow excuses.

Oh, and yours is what? Propaganda.

You see, you want me to believe a mere journalIst over s confirmed Military source from Israel? You are very wonderful.

Nothing you tell this guy that will make him to understand that Russia military hardware is more powerful than USA own

When it comes to missiles or nukes Russia range and how deadly it is it beats USA own no need to convince him when time comes we all alive will witness it.

Kingsnairaland:
Nothing you tell this guy that will make him to understand that Russia military hardware is more powerful than USA own

When it comes to missiles or nukes Russia range and how deadly it is it beats USA own no need to convince him when time comes we all alive will witness it.

He is just in self deniability mode.