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Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 11:28pm On Jul 01, 2022
OkCornel:


Put the screenshot of who Emperor Nero specifically blamed for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD.

If you can’t put something as specific as mine, don’t bother quoting me.

I only want to converse with intelligent folks. That’s a better use of my time.

The picture you are posting is a suetonius statement which he quoted from nero.
He mentioned Chrestus and it’s not Latin.

What’s there to argue again cheesy

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 12:07am On Jul 02, 2022
Maynman:


The picture you are posting is a suetonius statement which he quoted from nero.
He mentioned Chrestus and it’s not Latin.

What’s there to argue again cheesy

Put the screenshot. I'm not asking for too much.

And did you forget where I mentioned Tacitus' literary work was written in Latin? undecided
Tacitus mentioned Christus with regard to the great fire of Rome.
See the link below, and the screenshot included.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090414174551/http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/tacitus/TacitusAnnals15.html

Suetonius wrote about this incident over a century later after Tacitus, which explains how Christus later evolved to Chrestus

If you don't have an intelligent reply to who Tacitus clearly identified as the ones blamed (and the name of the one they follow) for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD, don't bother mentioning me. I can't continue conversations with ignorant people. It's a sheer waste of time.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 12:28am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


Put the screenshot. I'm not asking for too much.

And did you forget where I mentioned Tacitus' literary work was written in Latin? undecided
Tacitus mentioned Christus with regard to the great fire of Rome.
See the link below, and the screenshot included.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090414174551/http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/tacitus/TacitusAnnals15.html

Suetonius wrote about this incident over a century later after Tacitus, which explains how Christus later evolved to Chrestus

If you don't have an intelligent reply to who Tacitus clearly identified as the ones blamed (and the name of the one they follow) for the great fire of Rome in 64 AD, don't bother mentioning me. I can't continue conversations with ignorant people. It's a sheer waste of time.

Cc: MaxinDHouse, NNTR

When the lie starts that’s when your picture becomes small, your tactics don cast.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 12:30am On Jul 02, 2022
Maynman:


When the lie starts that’s when your picture becomes small, your tactics don cast.

Another dumb response. Not surprised. I've included the link from where the screenshot was gotten, if the text is too small for your eyes to read via phone.

Don't waste everyone's precious time with pointless replies.

See the link here again. Read it, you won't die.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090414174551/http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/tacitus/TacitusAnnals15.html
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 12:39am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


Another dumb response. Not surprised. I've included the link from where the screenshot was gotten, if the text is too small for your eyes to read via phone.

Don't waste everyone's precious time with pointless replies.

See the link here again. Read it, you won't die.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090414174551/http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/txt/ah/tacitus/TacitusAnnals15.html
Okay, Judas of Galilee worshipper.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 12:41am On Jul 02, 2022
Maynman:

Okay, Judas of Galilee worshipper.

Your case is beyond redemption.

Go and brush up your O'Level English
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 12:42am On Jul 02, 2022
Still searching for someone intelligent who will argue against the existence of Jesus Christ.

Mo.rons please stay away from this post.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 12:44am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


Your case is beyond redemption.

Go and brush up your O'Level English

Okay Chrestian

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 12:50am On Jul 02, 2022
guysbewise:

Even now if a person born after Nigerian independence is to write about the events before Nigerian independence the person's account cannot be authentic unless the person makes authentic references to documents and adult writers who wrote about events before the independence of Nigeria.
Sounds like, unless one provides authentic evidence for one's claims one's claims are not authentic.

Some say the same about Joseph Atwill, but I guess we can say they are biased.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/no-the-romans-did-not-invent-jesus
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 9:13am On Jul 02, 2022
budaatum:

Sounds like, unless one provides authentic evidence for one's claims one's claims are not authentic.

Some say the same about Joseph Atwill, but I guess we can say they are biased.

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/no-the-romans-did-not-invent-jesus


Rephrased: references to documents and adult writers who wrote about events before the independence of Nigeria, during the same periods the events took place

The most important question now were all all the writings of Jewish historians during the time of Jesus it will be very biased to say there were no Jewish historians during the time of Jesus as the Book of Moses was written sometime in the 15th century B.C.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 9:24am On Jul 02, 2022
The comedy continues.

The Gospel of Matthew and John who were disciples of Jesus Christ no longer counts as eye witness account of the events that happened?

New day, new jokes cheesy
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 9:36am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:
The comedy continues.

The Gospel of Matthew and John who were disciples of Jesus Christ no longer counts as eye witness account of the events that happened?

New day, new jokes cheesy

The books of Matthew and John were written about 3 decades after the ministry of Jesus and they were not written by Matthew and John the disciples of Jesus. So all the New Testament is a BIG JOKES BOX you base your tricks on. cheesy

I took this from one of the Jokes box you learn from:
The angel said to Joseph son of David and thou shalt call his name JESUS.

To show that the Jokes box itself is a BIG JOKE:
Peter is not an angel of God and also Peter is not Joseph the husband of Mary. Jesus was the name the angel told Joseph to name Him.
The angel God sent never mentioned this your Chrestus
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 10:22am On Jul 02, 2022
MindHacker9009:


The books of Matthew and John were written about 3 decades after the ministry of Jesus and they were not written by Matthew and John the disciples of Jesus. So all the New Testament is a BIG JOKES BOX you base your tricks on. cheesy

I took this from one of the Jokes box you learn from:
The angel said to Joseph son of David and thou shalt call his name JESUS.

To show that the Jokes box itself is a BIG JOKE:
Peter is not an angel of God and also Peter is not Joseph the husband of Mary. Jesus was the name the angel told Joseph to name Him.
The angel God sent never mentioned this your Chrestus

Dumbo, were the authors of Matthew and John no longer Jesus’ disciples? I've not even included the epistles of Peter, OR that of James and Jude who are the younger brothers of Jesus Christ.

They’re no longer eyewitnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ? It’s amazing how unlettered folks plumb into greater depths of idiocy to deny obvious evidences.

And regarding your points angels testifying Jesus born of Mary being the Christ, I’ve answered it before. But since you’re hopelessly unlettered, I’ll paste it here again.

Scripture lesson 101 for Mindhacker9009 the unlettered folk.

1) Read up on Angel Gabriel's visit to Mary and get the full context;

Luke 2 v 27-35;
27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.
28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”
29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.
30 The angel told her, “Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor  with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man and will be called the SON OF THE MOST HIGH. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”
35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the SON OF GOD.


2) And Angel Gabriel's visit to Joseph;

Matthew 2 v 21-22
20 Joseph had this in mind when an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. The angel said to him, “Joseph, descendant of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife. She is pregnant by the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus [HE SAVES], because HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE from their sins.”
22 All this happened so that what the Lord had spoken through the prophet came true:

3) Even demons acknowledge Jesus to be the Christ;

Luke 4 v 40-41;
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “YOU ARE THE CHRIST, the Son of God!”

Bring on your next excuse. And I hope it would be an intelligent one.

Cc: NNTR, MaxinDHouse
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 10:37am On Jul 02, 2022
@ OkCornel

You are the BIG Dumbo and unlettered dummy if not you would have known that none of the New Testament were written by an eye witness of you Chrestus character in one of the jokes box you learn from

OkCornel:


Dumbo, were the authors of Matthew and John no longer Jesus’ disciples? I've not even included the epistles of Peter, OR that of James and Jude who are the younger brothers of Jesus Christ.

They’re no longer eyewitnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ? It’s amazing how unlettered folks plumb into greater depths of idiocy to deny obvious evidences.

And regarding your points angels testifying Jesus born of Mary being the Christ, I’ve answered it before. But since you’re hopelessly unlettered, I’ll paste it here again.

Scripture lesson 101 for Mindhacker9009 the unlettered folk.

1) Read up on Angel Gabriel's visit to Mary and get the full context;

Luke 2 v 27-35;
27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.
28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”
29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.
30 The angel told her, “Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor  with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man and will be called the SON OF THE MOST HIGH. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”
35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the SON OF GOD.


2) And Angel Gabriel's visit to Joseph;

Matthew 2 v 21-22
20 Joseph had this in mind when an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. The angel said to him, “Joseph, descendant of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife. She is pregnant by the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus [HE SAVES], because HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE from their sins.”
22 All this happened so that what the Lord had spoken through the prophet came true:

3) Even demons acknowledge Jesus to be the Christ;

Luke 4 v 40-41;
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “YOU ARE THE CHRIST, the Son of God!”

Bring on your next excuse. And I hope it would be an intelligent one.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 10:39am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


Dumbo, were the authors of Matthew and John no longer Jesus’ disciples? I've not even included the epistles of Peter, OR that of James and Jude who are the younger brothers of Jesus Christ.

They’re no longer eyewitnesses to the existence of Jesus Christ? It’s amazing how unlettered folks plumb into greater depths of idiocy to deny obvious evidences.

And regarding your points angels testifying Jesus born of Mary being the Christ, I’ve answered it before. But since you’re hopelessly unlettered, I’ll paste it here again.

Scripture lesson 101 for Mindhacker9009 the unlettered folk.

1) Read up on Angel Gabriel's visit to Mary and get the full context;

Luke 2 v 27-35;
27 The angel went to a virgin promised in marriage to a descendant of David named Joseph. The virgin’s name was Mary.
28 When the angel entered her home, he greeted her and said, “You are favored by the Lord! The Lord is with you.”
29 She was startled by what the angel said and tried to figure out what this greeting meant.
30 The angel told her, “Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor  with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son, and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man and will be called the SON OF THE MOST HIGH. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever, and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”
35 The angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come to you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore, the holy child developing inside you will be called the SON OF GOD.


2) And Angel Gabriel's visit to Joseph;

Matthew 2 v 21-22
20 Joseph had this in mind when an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. The angel said to him, “Joseph, descendant of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife. She is pregnant by the Holy Spirit.
21 She will give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus [HE SAVES], because HE WILL SAVE HIS PEOPLE from their sins.”
22 All this happened so that what the Lord had spoken through the prophet came true:

3) Even demons acknowledge Jesus to be the Christ;

Luke 4 v 40-41;
40 When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every one of them and healed them.
41 And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, “YOU ARE THE CHRIST, the Son of God!”

Bring on your next excuse. And I hope it would be an intelligent one.

Cc: NNTR, MaxinDHouse

It was the Church fathers that chose who they want to be authors of those book
All were anonymous grin

Heard of Catholic epistle

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 10:50am On Jul 02, 2022
MindHacker9009:
@ OkCornel

You are the BIG Dumbo and unlettered dummy if not you would have known that none of the New Testament were written by an eye witness of you Chrestus character in one of the jokes box you learn from


And the supreme clown of the multiverse now tells us Matthew and John who were disciples of Jesus Christ and James and Jude who were the younger brothers of Jesus Christ are no longer eye witnesses.

A deeper level of idiocy on display cheesy

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 10:51am On Jul 02, 2022
Maynman:


It was the Church fathers that chose who they want to be authors of those book
All were anonymous grin

Heard of Catholic epistle

Which of the church Fathers DETERMINED THE AUTHORS? undecided

I hope I will see something intelligent today.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 10:52am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


Which of the church Fathers DETERMINED THE AUTHORS? undecided

I hope I will see something intelligent today.

What do you understand by church fathers?

Can anything intelligent come out of a Yahweh worshipper?
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 10:54am On Jul 02, 2022
Maynman:


What do you understand by church fathers?

State the names of the “Church Fathers” that determined the authors of the New Testament.

Ireneaus? Origen? Polycarp?
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 11:00am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:

I hope I will see something intelligent today.

Hey, intelligent guy!!
Who is the white dude on your profile?
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 11:00am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


State the names of the “Church Fathers” that determined the authors of the New Testament.

Ireneaus? Origen? Polycarp?


What do you understand by church fathers?

The people you mentioned who appointed them as church fathers?
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by OkCornel(m): 11:03am On Jul 02, 2022
KnownUnknown:


Hey, intelligent guy!!
Who is the white dude on your profile?

He’s a Middle Easterner (Jew to be precise)

A painting of Jesus by Akiane Kramarik.

You can read up more on her story. Quite an interesting one. Also look out for Colton Burpo too.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by Maynman: 11:19am On Jul 02, 2022
Also look up Judas of Galilee cheesy

Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 11:19am On Jul 02, 2022
OkCornel:


He’s a Middle Easterner (Jew to be precise)

I’m pretty sure that boy is from Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A. and is not a Jew. He is an American of European descent.

OkCornel:

A painting of Jesus by Akiane Kramarik.

Let me get this straight. White girl in America paints a picture of a white American and calls it Jesus?
It is a painting of a bearded white man. How is this Jesus?! Did the Jesus guy leave any picture or bust of himself that can be used to verify this girl’s painting?

OkCornel:

You can read up more on her story. Quite an interesting one. Also look out for Colton Burpo too.

There stories are unverifiable and incredible. A painting of a random white man is just a painting of a random white man. There is nothing more to it. Unless the Jesus guy appeared in the flesh and the girl then painted him, there is nothing believable about her claim. Even then, proof of the encounter would be required and the words of a little white girl and her parents are thoroughly insufficient.
The four year old white boy who went to heaven is even more ridiculous. I wonder if he wrote the story or his parent wrote the nonsense story.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by budaatum: 11:48am On Jul 02, 2022
MindHacker9009:



Rephrased: references to documents and adult writers who wrote about events before the independence of Nigeria, during the same periods the events took place

The most important question now were all all the writings of Jewish historians during the time of Jesus it will be very biased to say there were no Jewish historians during the time of Jesus as the Book of Moses was written sometime in the 15th century B.C.

I don't think Jesus or Christianity could possibly have been significant enough for much to have been written about him or it during his time, and if anything was written it likely would not have survived. He was not exactly known outside his stomping ground until he was allegedly killed.

I think it would be like Moses of whom nothing at all was written about until many century's later, and not by or from eyewitness accounts or anything of the sort but from tales and stories passed down from mouth to mouth.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 11:51am On Jul 02, 2022
@OkCornel

To show how backward you are and that you don't have a functioning brain, as you cannot watch hours of youtube Ancient History Documentary, that is one of many youtube videos that have enlightened those in developed countries who brought you and your forefathers your Chestus that has kept you in a shithole all along waiting for the second coming of your Chestus to get you out of the shithole they have put you in

Ancient History Documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKjbc66qp3Y

OkCornel:

And the supreme clown of the multiverse now tells us Matthew and John who were disciples of Jesus Christ and James and Jude who were the younger brothers of Jesus Christ are no longer eye witnesses.

A deeper level of idiocy on display cheesy
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 12:06pm On Jul 02, 2022
budaatum:


I don't think Jesus or Christianity could possibly have been significant enough for much to have been written about him or it during his time, and if anything was written it likely would not have survived. He was not exactly known outside his stomping ground until he was allegedly killed.

I think it would be like Moses of whom nothing at all was written about until many century's later, and not by or from eyewitness accounts or anything of the sort but from tales and stories passed down from mouth to mouth.

Not to support the asinine OP that he was created by the Romans, but what if he wasn’t known inside or outside his stomping grounds because he didn’t exist at all.

Tony Montana is relatively famous for being kicked out of Cuba, arriving in Miami, and turning into a legendary drug lord. But the story, even though believable, is total fabrication with the kernel of truth being that criminals from Cuba really did go to Miami and a few of them were probably named Tony.

Jesus could be based on a type of ascetic from that era and the rest of the story is based on a type of mythology that existed before Jesus’ was written.

Some of the tropes in the story are apparent if you one is aware of the ideas it based on.

Hercules performed 12 labors, Jesus had 12 disciples.

Jesus in a manger, the magi, gold, frankincense, and myrrh, “30 years”, “3” days in the tomb, the missing years of his life, etc are evidence of the trope
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 12:07pm On Jul 02, 2022
@budaatum

If you can watch hours of youtube videos you will see that records were kept as far back as 334BC of Alexander the great King of Macedonia.

The Roman empire kept tax records before Jesus Christ's FAKE stories we have today.

The Old Testament scrolls were written before Jesus was born. With Jesus Christ feeding 5000 people and all the other great miracles and His fame, at list a Jewish historian would have written something during this period.

4 Bible Verses about the fame of Christ:

Matthew 4:24
The news about Him spread throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all who were ill, those suffering with various diseases and pains, demoniacs, epileptics, paralytics; and He healed them.

Matthew 8:32-34
And He said to them, “Go!” And they came out and went into the swine, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the waters. The herdsmen ran away, and went to the city and reported everything, including what had happened to the demoniacs. And behold, the whole city came out to meet Jesus; and when they saw Him, they implored Him to leave their region.

Mark 1:27-28

They were all amazed, so that they debated among themselves, saying, “What is this? A new teaching with authority! He commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey Him.” Immediately the news about Him spread everywhere into all the surrounding district of Galilee.

Luke 4:36-37
And amazement came upon them all, and they began talking with one another saying, “What is this message? For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits and they come out.” And the report about Him was spreading into every locality in the surrounding district.


Alexander the Great (All Parts)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7lb6KWBanI

budaatum:


I don't think Jesus or Christianity could possibly have been significant enough for much to have been written about him or it during his time, and if anything was written it likely would not have survived. He was not exactly known outside his stomping ground until he was allegedly killed.

I think it would be like Moses of whom nothing at all was written about until many century's later, and not by or from eyewitness accounts or anything of the sort but from tales and stories passed down from mouth to mouth.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 12:11pm On Jul 02, 2022
KnownUnknown:

Not to support the asinine @KnownUnknown that he was created by the Romans, but what if he wasn’t known inside or outside his stomping grounds because he didn’t exist at all.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 12:15pm On Jul 02, 2022
[quote author=MindHacker9009 post=114349655][/quote]

Lol. Your multiple semester hours of YouTube education is something to behold.
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by MindHacker9009(m): 12:19pm On Jul 02, 2022
KnownUnknown:

Lol. Your multiple semester hours of YouTube education is something to behold.

Shows how backward you are, you think youtube is only used by jokers like yourself, @OkCornel, @MaxInDHouse and co
Re: Jesus Christ Is A Creation Of The Roman Empire by KnownUnknown: 12:23pm On Jul 02, 2022
MindHacker9009:


Shows how backward you are, you think youtube is only used by jokers like yourself, @OkCornel, @MaxInDHouse and co

Oh no!! YouTube is also used by jokers like yourself.

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