Offpoint1:



It's impossible to say there's no other civilization out there.

If ever a civilization is discovered out there NASA will never make it public. It'll be a top secret and classified information only for world powers and some US top military personnels.

Such information will totally destroy the largest earth religion.

I don't want to pinpoint but if u're talking about Christianity, even the Bible reiterates it that we are not the only being in the universe. Lol

Offpoint1:



It's impossible to say there's no other civilization out there.

If ever a civilization is discovered out there NASA will never make it public. It'll be a top secret and classified information only for world powers and some US top military personnels.

Such information will totally destroy the largest earth religion.

@bolded:
Are you sure that is not their prime objective?

sirgalahad26:

But why would God be threatened because his creation were building means of getting to him

Threatened was probably a wrong expression. I would say its all part of the bigger game of seeing us as players until the final end. Its just like saying someone asking if God knew adam will sin, why fid he put the tree in the garden? Its all a game and we are all being watched till our own game ends or the final game ends. This is when he then dictates the final outcome of it but be aware that all our actions are leading to that end. But i am just a mere mortal i no fit object.

Really

redcliff:


If you want to open your horizon, watch movies, the inspiration people from movies get to write their scripts is not from this world and i mean it literallt. There is always a touch of reality to it but maybe the reality we have not yet lived. That is why i believe that time travel is possible, i also believe that alot of other things we term impossible is still very possible just that we have not gotten the inspiration yet to accomplish them. Watch supernatural season 1-15 you will understand that even though it was just fictional, it leads you to ask the question where the idea come from.

Supernatural was just too long a series I couldn't keep up after the 4 episode in season 1. I always like finishing a series once I start, but I have no such time recently. But I'll try it again, making sure I download and watch 5 episodes every Sunday, I guess I'll finish it with this time table.
Once again thanks for your contributions, and I absolutely believe you.

Jinity1:

You don watch flash tire

I'm sure you are not aware of the fact that earthlings do not the ability to travel to and explore all nine planets in the solar system talkless of explore other solar system in the galaxy.

The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
Psalms 19:1 NIV


For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are without excuse and without defense.
Romans 1:20 AMP

Offpoint1:



It's impossible to say there's no other civilization out there.

If ever a civilization is discovered out there NASA will never make it public. It'll be a top secret and classified information only for world powers and some US top military personnels.

Such information will totally destroy the largest earth religion.

Can you expaciate on the last sentence?

Jinity1:
I keep wondering if the universe has a stop point. What lies beyond those stars

The answer to this question depends on the curvature of the universe as well as the value of the cosmological constant and the cosmic expansion. These are all parameters that are contained in whats known as the FLRW(Friedmann Lemaitre-Tolman Robertson-Walker) model which is a General Relativistic model of the universe( General Relativity is a theory that describes the interaction between mass-energy and space-time developed by Albert Einstein). To answer your question for the case that the value of the cosmological constant is zero, the nature of the universe comes in 3 possibilities, Flat(ie. curvature=1), Negative Curvature(ie. curvature less than 1) and positive curvature(ie. curvature greater than 1). A flat universe recovers the typical intuition of space that we are all familiar with, lines remain straight and in this picture the universe is indeed infinite, a positive curvature is a bit less intuitive, if you were able to move in a perfectly "straight" line(straight here must now take on a more general meaning) you will one day end up at the exact same point that you started, like moving constrained on a very large ball, in this case the universe is finite. A negatively curved universe is in a technical way the opposite of a positive one, two observers moving separated by a small distance and constrained to move abreast on straight lines would one day find themselves very far from each other and in this case the universe is truly infinite where in the positive curvature case, observers moving abreast in a straight line and initially separated from each other will one day meet each other. Of course the above discussion/analogies apply only for the case of zero cosmological constant. If this condition is not true then our picture is completely wrong.

Realists:



“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases.”

Holy Quran, 42:30
This is a unique and striking verse. At a time when the science of astronomy was in its relative infancy, the Quran disclosed with complete conviction that life exists outside the earth. Moreover, it affirms that when God sees fit, He has the power to unite life in the ‘heavens’ with earthly life.

NASA will hide the knowledge for it comercial benefits, for already the church is dead in the west. Google about the fastest growing religion in the world, along side the rising number of atheists countries. It's only here in Africa that you will find churches growing as a conglomerates.

The fastest growing religion that is destroying God's creatures through terrorism and threatening to set the world back to stone age? I know the religion.

Offpoint1:



It's impossible to say there's no other civilization out there.

If ever a civilization is discovered out there NASA will never make it public. It'll be a top secret and classified information only for world powers and some US top military personnels.

Such information will totally destroy the largest earth religion.

It can't destroy christainity because most christains already knows that the bible didn't record everything about this life. There absolutely no way any reasonable person can argue that there's no intelligent creator out there who created the universe.

Offpoint1:

You should understand regardless of how many private individuals are involved Space exploration, they're largely monitored by the government.

If there's some form of ufo headed towards earth, government wouldn't want to cause public panic, such information will be withhold. Even if it's leaked, they'll debunk it and make it sound like a conspiracy theory.

Let's not promote unfounded conspiracies and theories. Space research is publicly available to everyone for free.

victorjoe:
These things always make me think deep. Imagine if nothing exists in the first place.

As in nothing! Not that there is something somewhere else. Hmmm...

Meanwhile the universe is big. I learnt the robot that was released into space in the 70's is still going.

Where e de go?

Voyager 1. Still going. Possible to flyby proxima centuari in 90,000 years even with its fast speed.

redcliff:


mind you, there is no where in the bible it states that there is only the human race. The bible only focused it teaching on the Adamic race. infact as a christian, i strongly believe that there are multiple other living species far outside our reach even if we built the fastest spacecraft, it will take hundreds of years to get to by then, a generation or two would have been wiped out from the earth, Infact, I am certain God made it that far because he does not want a mix and he knows the extent to which human can go to explore. Just like when the people were building the tower of babel and he destroyed their communication because he saw it as a threat and not necessarily because they could get to heaven if they continued anyway but it was the determination he saw in them. Take it or leave it, we are all a game to the most high. There is life out there its just not within our reach and may never be.

Quite insightful.

There is another school of thought around the mystery of creation that Adam (and Eve) were the seeds on the field of earth and the blessing of multiplication was not of themselves as beings but a multiplication of spiritual virtue (in His likeness).

That other planetary bodies within the universe as we see them today were to be inhabited by other Adams, other human beings and with the failed 'experiment' on Earth and the closing of the Garden of Eden all other planetary bodies were left to decay and become uninhabitable having lost the 'Life' and the Presence of God.

All this is nonetheless hypothetical but when you see the wanton degradation of earth that results from man's activities, that results from man's overpopulation, then the understanding of the Biblical 'multiplication' may not necessary refer to a run away population growth because Earth's resources are finite and God knows that.

I think we are all caged on earth because of Adam's disobedience. And knowing who God is, surely there will be other beings to fulfill His purposes.

Eddygourdo:
We may never be able to develop the technology to go there if there was any sign of life outside our own solar system.

Unless we find a way to make man immortal, then we can always design systems that travel at the speed of light , capable of withstanding the G forces that will result. Then at least we will be alive when we get to the destination


Maybe an AI consciousness might be the first interstellar traveller.

We will never design any craft that can travel at the speed of light, this possibility is simply ruled out by the special theory of relativity. What we may be able to do in the distant future is design craft that can travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light(I'm talking 20~30 percent here), this will offer the possibility of a generational ship, where the decendants of the initial travelers get to be the colonists of any new worlds discovered. Your proposal of making men immortal is probably not only impossible but probably undesirable, the human brain although very large compared to most animals is still finite and in fact, how do you propose to store infinite amount of information. Our best bet for inter-galactic travel will be some kind of stasis-hibernation where all metabolic processes are artificially arrested until the destination is neared(think about that movie "Avatar" here).

ceejayluv:


I feel such discovery Will be The Biggest News ever...

NASA has come across things that if released to the public, would be a threat to religion and the way we see life, but they will never do that.

Offpoint1:



It's impossible to say there's no other civilization out there.

If ever a civilization is discovered out there NASA will never make it public. It'll be a top secret and classified information only for world powers and some US top military personnels.

Such information will totally destroy the largest earth religion.

Sorry to break it to you.
It won't make any difference.There is no record in the scriptures that life existed only on earth.

Realists:



“And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and of whatever living creatures (daabbah) He has spread forth in both. And He has the power to gather them together whenever he pleases.”

Holy Quran, 42:30
This is a unique and striking verse. At a time when the science of astronomy was in its relative infancy, the Quran disclosed with complete conviction that life exists outside the earth. Moreover, it affirms that when God sees fit, He has the power to unite life in the ‘heavens’ with earthly life.

NASA will hide the knowledge for it comercial benefits, for already the church is dead in the west. Google about the fastest growing religion in the world, along side the rising number of atheists countries. It's only here in Africa that you will find churches growing as a conglomerates.

Lol. Say what you know.
Even the James Webb Space Telescope was launched on the 25th of December. Says a lot.

The Bible itself has its fair share of astronomy. The verses below prove that.
Job 9:9
[9]Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south.

Job 38:31-33
[31]Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
[32]Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
[33]Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Amos 5:8
[8]Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

Talking about December 25th, we read in our Bible that a cosmic event took place when Christ was born. The wise men affirmed they saw his STAR in the east and had come to worship.

So why would Christians not be interested in Astronomy?

After all, it's a testament to the glory of God as the sweet psalmist affirm.

Psalms 19:1
[1](To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

victorjoe:
These things always make me think deep. Imagine if nothing exists in the first place.

As in nothing! Not that there is something somewhere else. Hmmm...

Meanwhile the universe is big. I learnt the robot that was released into space in the 70's is still going.

Where e de go?

even nothing is something you know

Alusiizizi:


We will never design any craft that can travel at the speed of light, this possibility is simply ruled out by the special theory of relativity. What we may be able to do in the distant future is design craft that can travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light(I'm talking 20~30 percent here), this will offer the possibility of a generational ship, where the decendants of the initial travelers get to be the colonists of any new worlds discovered. Your proposal of making men immortal is probably not only impossible but probably undesirable, the human brain although very large compared to most animals is still finite and in fact, how do you propose to store infinite amount of information. Our best bet for inter-galactic travel will be some kind of stasis-hibernation where all metabolic processes are artificially arrested until the destination is neared(think about that movie "Avatar" here).

We don't need to build faster spacecrafts. We just need tech to bend the fabric of space and how to achieve cryogenic sleep in humans without killing us. That way, a journey that's supposed to take 100,000 years would take 10 years. Just put the astronauts in suspended animation and enjoy the ride.

victorjoe:
These things always make me think deep. Imagine if nothing exists in the first place.

As in nothing! Not that there is something somewhere else. Hmmm...

Meanwhile the universe is big. I learnt the robot that was released into space in the 70's is still going.

Where e de go?

Is the robot just floating in space on its own or it's powered by an engine how can it still be traveling for over 50yrs?

Alusiizizi:


We will never design any craft that can travel at the speed of light, this possibility is simply ruled out by the special theory of relativity. What we may be able to do in the distant future is design craft that can travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light(I'm talking 20~30 percent here), this will offer the possibility of a generational ship, where the decendants of the initial travelers get to be the colonists of any new worlds discovered. Your proposal of making men immortal is probably not only impossible but probably undesirable, the human brain although very large compared to most animals is still finite and in fact, how do you propose to store infinite amount of information. Our best bet for inter-galactic travel will be some kind of stasis-hibernation where all metabolic processes are artificially arrested until the destination is neared(think about that movie "Avatar" here).

Good points though but a much more viable option will be wormhole travel

PotatoSalad:

NASA has come across things that if released to the public, would be a threat to religion and the way we see life, but they will never do that.

It will not be a threat to religion.
It will even strengthen and affirm it.

SpaceMarshall:


Sorry to break it to you.
It won't make any difference.There is no record in the scriptures that life existed only on earth.

You guys have come again.
Wasn't the earth seen as the center of the universe for a long time, and that the sun revolved around the earth, which gave us the saying, "the sun rises in the east and sets in the west", when actually, the sun neither rises nor sets?

PotatoSalad:

You guys have come again.
Wasn't the earth seen as the center of the universe for a long time, and that the sun revolved around the earth, which gave us the saying, "the sun rises in the east and sets in the west", when actually, the sun neither rises nor sets?

That is what I was saying earlier. It is the knowledge of man, science that has to catch up with questions that are apparently obvious.

safesurfer:

It will not be a threat to religion.
It will even strengthen and affirm it.

You know if there are other civilisations out there, they will probably not have same anatomy as us due to several factors.
How do you apply the concept of heaven and hell to them, and how do you explain that God created man in his own image.
Look at our earth for instance, we dig up fossils of dinosaurs that existed millions of years before humans and when you bring up such discussions about the possibility of their existence to our Christian fellows, they tend to shy away from it.

Reference:


That is what I was saying earlier. It is the knowledge of man, science that has to catch up with questions that are apparently obvious.

Honestly, there are things that give me existential crisis because even with our little scientific knowledge, it's still difficult to fathom. Look at how coal was formed. That it took time before the bacteria that could break down trees existed, making trees fall and pile up on each other for millions of years, giving us the coal we have today.
Also, how do you even explain dinosaurs when you see their gigantic fossils. What about other humanoid civilisations that lived and died before us, I'm not even talking homo erectus them. Shii is crazy af

Alusiizizi:


We will never design any craft that can travel at the speed of light, this possibility is simply ruled out by the special theory of relativity. What we may be able to do in the distant future is design craft that can travel at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light(I'm talking 20~30 percent here), this will offer the possibility of a generational ship, where the decendants of the initial travelers get to be the colonists of any new worlds discovered. Your proposal of making men immortal is probably not only impossible but probably undesirable, the human brain although very large compared to most animals is still finite and in fact, how do you propose to store infinite amount of information. Our best bet for inter-galactic travel will be some kind of stasis-hibernation where all metabolic processes are artificially arrested until the destination is neared(think about that movie "Avatar" here).

such hibernation is impossible in reality. The human system must always age, you can slow it down but you cannot stop it. As for whether we can travel at the speed of light, that could be possible with technological advancement , however with all we know currently about the behaviour of matter in space time, you are about correct in your estimation. What I said about immortality is an AI being. It may not be possible to travel as a human even in a generational ship for 300 human years. Alot will happen during that time that it is impossible to model the machine human interaction and cohabitation skills needed for survival under the stringent conditions interstellar travel will bring on both the mechanical ship as well as the humans in it. How many people would be needed, what skills could be passed on while on a ship hurling at the speed of light on its way to impact a planet, how do you compensate for deterioration of equipment and sensors , redundancy engineering may work, but how do you implement them, do we have softwares that can work iteratively for that long with a bug popping up and yet we can't update or patch it?. There are lots of questions. It will be a daunting task, even getting to Mars itself might be a pipe dream.

shopwiser:
We are not alone.. Know this and Know peace...

This is a very bold statement. Even if this is true, we may never know. Why?

1. Man may never achieve superluminal speed (the scientific fact to back this up)

2. Even if man somehow discover the warmhole predicted by Einstein, we will not be able to cover the whole universe.

3. The observable universe is about 47 billion light years. In other words, man cannot even cover the end of the observable universe with superluminal speed.

4. The observable universe is 1/6th of the total universe.

5. The universe is expanding at a rate faster than the speed of light in some places.

6. So just forget it. We can only try. Keplar42B is a planet exactly like earth-with trees, sufficient oxygen etc. But man can never get there.

AlphaAlex:
Animation photoshop and Lies

Itibolibo. If you had ordinary Bluetooth in the 1600s, you'd be burned on a stake for witchcraft. But you use your airpods comfortably today without thinking about the juju behind it. The ability of sound to travel through the air via radio waves doesn't sound like lies to you? But it's there.

PotatoSalad:

You know if there are other civilisations out there, they will probably not have same anatomy as us due to several factors.
How do you apply the concept of heaven and hell to them, and how do you explain that God created man in his own image.
Look at our earth for instance, we dig up fossils of dinosaurs that existed millions of years before humans and when you bring up such discussions about the possibility of their existence to our Christian fellows, they tend to shy away from it.

Indeed. You are right.

However, you need to look at religion from a non-linear perspective. That there are willfully ignorant religious people and knowledge seeking, enlightened ones.

Talking about dinosaurs and fossil evidence, the book earth's earliest ages by GH Pember was able to help me understand and appreciate history and human evolution as it tried to shed light (however dim) on the pre-adamite world. To think it was written in the 1800s! (The gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2)

And to man affirming that he was created in the image of God, even animals, were they able to speak, can also claim the same.

God has several times described himself in the bible as a lion, lamb, eagle....even fowl sef (hen). Not forgetting drunkard (psalm 78)

Angels were described as having the faces of a man, lion, ox and an eagle.

So these animals can also insist they were created in God's image lol. That isn't a problem for educated people who are Christians.

Modified.