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Nathz101:
He needs playing time
Am sure he'll come good

Let him come good at another club.

For 40m, he should be doing way better, not killing counters and playing as if na him carry everybody come field.

There’s no way he benches any of our wingers. He’s not even as good as that tall thin boy that went on loan to Germany.

We just wasted 40m.

afrodoc2:
It was a panic buy.

It was a big mistake.

Amad and Pellistri.

We paid top money to sign players that can only make the U-23 team.

afrodoc2:
Garnacho is not even ready for loan in my opinion. He needs to start the season with the Reserves. Come January they can review his progress.
If we sign just 1 wide attacker we will still be light up front and so we need to retain 1 out of Elanga, Pellistri, Amad. Right now we have only 3 senior players (Martial, Rashford, Sancho). We can't go into the season with that.

VDB can deputize on the wings. So can Bruno. And we now have Eriksen.

Will need some tweaking tho. We still need a few players, despite having Elanga to deputize.

Lana1:
Only God knows if Ronaldo would have passed to VDB the way Martial did for that second goal. Some peoples goat go wan shoot like that

Never.

Mr. Always Emi lo kan?

He’ll attempt to turn to score, execute the move badly because of his aged body, and then try to salvage the situation by quickly passing to anyone with a good chance to score. Only that the pass will be over hit and the person will not score.

Emilokan Always.

Just imagine Greenwood in this attack. Omo, goals go plenty.

#freeGreenwood

Leyqute:
VDB can deputize on the wings. So can Bruno. And we now have Eriksen.

Will need some tweaking tho. We still need a few players, despite having Elanga to deputize.

VDB can't deputize on the wing and neither can Bruno. At least not the way Sancho and Rashford can stretch defences. We should not be going into a season with midfielders being the first alternative options to wingers.

afrodoc2:
VDB can't deputize on the wing and neither can Bruno. At least not the way Sancho and Rashford can stretch defences. We should not be going into a season with midfielders being the first alternative options to wingers.

It's really scary how poor our squad is generally, among the top six we ha e the weakest squad. The drop off in quality from the first eleven is at all time low. If we don't add numbers in that forward line, we are just 2 injuries away from calamity.

Lana1:
Only God knows if Ronaldo would have passed to VDB the way Martial did for that second goal. Some peoples goat go wan shoot like that

Ronaldo created some really good chances last season.

ChristoBam:
Lol do you think we'll be playing Ten Hag's style for more than 60% of the games next season? It's unrealistic. This team's default settings will still be to sit back when they come under real pressure.

It's the reason I'm saying a Dejong, Malacia, Gravenberch, De ligt or any of those players can come in now. But not the 5'8 CB that'll definitely be exposed in those situations. Martinez will look good when we actually know how to play Ten Hag's style for real. But as for next season, he'll be exposed. I really hope the fans will understand this and not switch the Maguire's and Bruno's hate to an easy target.

Btwn, it's not like I'm really complaining. Just pointing out what would have been the ideal situation. It's not like there are a lot of good ball playing CBs in the market. There's even a possibility Ten Hag had the same thinking but Arsenal's interest forced his hand.

ten Hag wanted Timber but since Timber opted to stay at Ajax, he switched his attention to Lisandro...It had nothing to do with Arsenal, he was always going to sign a CB...

I'd like to know if games against City and Liverpool make up for for more than 80% of our games because away from those two, there's no team in the league that can have us pegged back for majority of a game...Is it Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal that will have us packing the bus? We can comfortably square up against any of them while I expect us to be on the front foot against the rest of the teams in the division so, I don't exactly agree with your argument...

Leyqute:
It was a big mistake.

Amad and Pellistri.

We paid top money to sign players that can only make the U-23 team.

One of the useless acts of Woodward. Didn't get his taget and went to splash 50m on two youngers wey no good pass the one wey dey our academy.

Wey for buy better CDM last season.

afrodoc2:
VDB can't deputize on the wing and neither can Bruno. At least not the way Sancho and Rashford can stretch defences. We should not be going into a season with midfielders being the first alternative options to wingers.

The only other option is a diamond midfield but then, we will struggle to stretch the play...

We need bodies forward asap...

patrickmuf:
You watched our games last season?

Every last one

patrickmuf:
ten Hag wanted Timber but since Timber opted to stay at Ajax, he switched his attention to Lisandro...It had nothing to do with Arsenal, he was always going to sign a CB...

I'd like to know if games against City and Liverpool make up for for more than 80% of our games because away from those two, there's no team in the league that can have us pegged back for majority of a game...Is it Chelsea, Spurs or Arsenal that will have us packing the bus? We can comfortably square up against any of them while I expect us to be on the front foot against the rest of the teams in the division so, I don't exactly agree with your argument...

I'm not saying he wasn't. But the choice wasn't a 5'8 CB. We thought it was either Timber or Torres. We didn't get linked to Martinez until arsenal went in for him.

You're thinking of these games in black and white. Imagining we'll be dominating teams outside of Liverpool and City. Thinking a team like even Leicester won't have us dropping deep in pockets of the game. You're wrong.

We'll play a lot of ETH's football next season. But we'll drop deep to defend in a lot of games next season. Don't let this preseason games deceive you.

ChristoBam:
I'm not saying he wasn't. But the choice wasn't a 5'8 CB. We thought it was either Timber or Torres. We didn't get linked to Martinez until arsenal went in for him.

You're thinking of these games in black and white. Imagining we'll be dominating teams outside of Liverpool and City. Thinking a team like even Leicester won't have us dropping deep in pockets of the game. You're wrong.

We'll play a lot of ETH's football next season. But we'll drop deep to defend in a lot of games next season. Don't let this preseason games deceive you.

Even City do drop deep so, I don't get your point...One thing is certain, with EtH, we will be on the front foot for majority of games because it's just his style, no way will he set us up to sit deep for the most part except we are up against City or Liverpool which might not be the case knowing ten Hag too well...

You are ignoring the stats that clearly show Lisandro is quite comfortable dealing with aerial threats, why?

ChristoBam:
I'm not saying he wasn't. But the choice wasn't a 5'8 CB. We thought it was either Timber or Torres. We didn't get linked to Martinez until arsenal went in for him.

You're thinking of these games in black and white. Imagining we'll be dominating teams outside of Liverpool and City. Thinking a team like even Leicester won't have us dropping deep in pockets of the game. You're wrong.

We'll play a lot of ETH's football next season. But we'll drop deep to defend in a lot of games next season. Don't let this preseason games deceive you.

1) Timber is only 5ft 10 himself while Martinez is 5ft 9.

2) Martinez is way better than Timber in aerial ability so if you are this worried about Martinez then Timber would have been even worse.

3) We were linked with him since April/May as an alternative to Timber who was indeed no1. Immediately Timber's deal was wrecked by LVG it became a choice between Martinez who was preferred by ETH and Torres who was preferred by the scouts. Arsenal came into the picture later but they moved fast which then triggered us to accelerate talks.

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afrodoc2:
VDB can't deputize on the wing and neither can Bruno. At least not the way Sancho and Rashford can stretch defences. We should not be going into a season with midfielders being the first alternative options to wingers.

Both of them can deputize on the wings. But they’re going to play as a midfielder. Pogba has played a few times in an advanced left midfield position.

Bruno has done a decent job in that position too.

Like I said earlier, the formation will have to be tweaked to accommodate this.

If we don’t sign any new winger and we have Sancho and maybe Rashford injured, we may have to play that way- unless EtH has other ideas.

It’s a very possible reality.

Only Elanga can deputize as a winger. It’s better to tweak formation and add more midfielders than playing Amad, Pellistri or Garnacho on the wings.

Ellexy:
It's really scary how poor our squad is generally, among the top six we ha e the weakest squad. The drop off in quality from the first eleven is at all time low. If we don't add numbers in that forward line, we are just 2 injuries away from calamity.

Point I’ve been making for years.

We’re thin in midfield.

Now, we’re almost thin in attack too. Unless we rotate well, I see those first team players crumbling by Jan/Feb.

ChristoBam:
One of the useless acts of Woodward. Didn't get his taget and went to splash 50m on two youngers wey no good pass the one wey dey our academy.

Wey for buy better CDM last season.

That money, with due diligence and the right scouting report, will fetch a good midfielder.

But no, since we can’t buy a full winger, let us buy two half wingers. They will add up to make the full winger we want. Woodward olodo.

Leyqute:
Both of them can deputize on the wings. But they’re going to play as a midfielder. Pogba has played a few times in an advanced left midfield position.

Bruno has done a decent job in that position too.

Like I said earlier, the formation will have to be tweaked to accommodate this.

If we don’t sign any new winger and we have Sancho and maybe Rashford injured, we may have to play that way- unless EtH has other ideas.

It’s a very possible reality.

Only Elanga can deputize as a winger. It’s better to tweak formation and add more midfielders than playing Amad, Pellistri or Garnacho on the wings.

Which decent job did Bruno do on the wings?

It is one thing to play in a position and say you are deputising but it is another thing to do it well.
If we start depending on players with zero pace like Bruno and VDB on wings we will miss out on Top 4 this season.

They can’t deputise there and should not if we have good ambitions. We have not reached the level of synchronised movement and passing that City reached whereby we can play slow men on the wings.

Na all this square peg in round hole things contribute to our problems. We should buy wingers to play in the wings not convert old midfielders to wingers.

Leyqute:
Never.

Mr. Always Emi lo kan?

He’ll attempt to turn to score, execute the move badly because of his aged body, and then try to salvage the situation by quickly passing to anyone with a good chance to score. Only that the pass will be over hit and the person will not score.

Emilokan Always.

Na make he dey carry broom remain

afrodoc2:
Which decent job did Bruno do on the wings?

It is one thing to play in a position and say you are deputising but it is another thing to do it well.
If we start depending on players with zero pace like Bruno and VDB on wings we will miss out on Top 4 this season.

They can’t deputise there and should not if we have good ambitions. We have not reached the level of synchronised movement and passing that City reached whereby we can play slow men on the wings.

Na all this square peg in round hole things contribute to our problems. We should buy wingers to play in the wings not convert old midfielders to wingers.

Seems you misunderstood me from the onset.

They are not playing as wingers. They are playing as advanced midfielders on the wing.

Pogba played in that position several times and he did well. Bruno has been asked to do the same thing before in the past. Mata and Kagawa (I think) also did it too.

Not to mention, the formation has to be tweaked for it to work.

And this is not a plan A. It’s only for when our best wingers are out. When they’re back things can be reshuffled again.

It’s better we tweak our formation during those period than to start Pellistri, Amad or Garnacho.

Lana1:
Na make he dey carry broom remain

LooL.

A whole legend of Madrid

afrodoc2:
1) Timber is only 5ft 10 himself while Martinez is 5ft 9.

2) Martinez is way better than Timber in aerial ability so if you are this worried about Martinez then Timber would have been even worse.

3) We were linked with him since April/May as an alternative to Timber who was indeed no1. Immediately Timber's deal was wrecked by LVG it became a choice between Martinez who was preferred by ETH and Torres who was preferred by the scouts. Arsenal came into the picture later but they moved fast which then triggered us to accelerate talks.

Maybe the fact that Timber was 20 years old until last month points to the reason height was not a major issue with Timber unlike Martinez is. Still some potential to grow a few meters.

And we were only truly linked with Martinez after Arsenal got interested. Not all those dubious reports that had us linked to every Ajax and even PSV players.

patrickmuf:
Even City do drop deep so, I don't get your point...One thing is certain, with EtH, we will be on the front foot for majority of games because it's just his style, no way will he set us up to sit deep for the most part except we are up against City or Liverpool which might not be the case knowing ten Hag too well...

You are ignoring the stats that clearly show Lisandro is quite comfortable dealing with aerial threats, why?

You know there's a difference..City drops deeps sometimes. But most times they control the game and leave the opponents most times to resort to counter attacks. We won't do that next season. That's the point. Btwn, they don't have a 5'8 CB.

Lol you say I'm ignoring stats. It's because I'm not going to delude myself to think that Lisandro beats a Kane or Dias or anyone to a 50-50 header.

Whether we like it or not, he'll be a liability Aerial wise. But the effects will be limited if we can play the high line, possession, high pressing football Ajax play.

patrickmuf:
Even City do drop deep so, I don't get your point...One thing is certain, with EtH, we will be on the front foot for majority of games because it's just his style, no way will he set us up to sit deep for the most part except we are up against City or Liverpool which might not be the case knowing ten Hag too well...

You are ignoring the stats that clearly show Lisandro is quite comfortable dealing with aerial threats, why?

And you believe players like McFred in midfield will implement his style effectively next season? The new season is few weeks away, but na McFred we still dey see for now. United need a proper DM.

ChristoBam:
You know there's a difference..City drops deeps sometimes. But most times they control the game and leave the opponents most times to resort to counter attacks. We won't do that next season. That's the point. Btwn, they don't have a 5'8 CB.

Lol you say I'm ignoring stats. It's because I'm not going to delude myself to think that Lisandro beats a Kane or Dias or anyone to a 50-50 header.

Whether we like it or not, he'll be a liability Aerial wise. But the effects will be limited if we can play the high line, possession, high pressing football Ajax play.

fellaini and ibra are way taller than ronaldo, but Ronaldo can reach way higher ball than dem why?

the same to CBs that are bigger and taller than ronaldo, he still score header against them why?

he has a tremendous ability to lift higher than his contemporary without aiding himself with pace 2 he time his run and intelligently get to positions he his going to connect the ball effortlessly

forget all these talks, though it's an issue but thinking he's going to be utterly useless in the EPL because he's the shortest CB no follow

Let's see him, shebi with our very big and tall maguire we still dey concede to set pieces

TrebleChamp:
And you believe players like McFred in midfield will implement his style effectively next season? The new season is few weeks away, but na McFred we still dey see for now. United a proper DM.

Is that what I said?

Alot of negative energy here tufiakwa..

Cyberrex:
fellaini and ibra are way taller than ronaldo, but Ronaldo can reach way higher ball than dem why?

the same to CBs that are bigger and taller than ronaldo, he still score header against them why?

he has a tremendous ability to lift higher than his contemporary without aiding himself with pace 2 he time his run and intelligently get to positions he his going to connect the ball effortlessly

forget all these talks, though it's an issue but thinking he's going to be utterly useless in the EPL because he's the shortest CB no follow


Let's see him, shebi with our very big and tall maguire we still dey concede to set pieces

Na why arguments dey funny most times. When did I say this?


Martinez has jumping power and all, he's still 5'8. 50-50 aerial duel against anyone above 6 ft and he'll lose. Most of the aerial duels he wins are those balls over the top they try everytime to catch Ajax out with that their highline.

Btwn I'm not being negative about Martinez. It's just better to deal with the obvious now so when it happens everyone knows he'll be a big deal once we master that ETH style perfectly. That's the point of the whole thing. It was about how he'd have been a perfect candidate to bring into the second season.

I don't trust Argentines.