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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by AmazingELixir: 9:05am On Jul 24, 2022
frog12:
wike is a dullard. who pays 80 percent up front to contractors na fools be dat. you only pay 50 percent at most.

In a runaway and inflation prone economy such as Nigeria's what Wike did by giving 80% is the most logical thing to do....unless ofcourse you want contractors to come back and ask for variation due to price changes.

Most contractors include validity period of the quoted contracts sum, if it exceeds such period it gives them grounds to ask for contract review hence variation but paying upfront you corner and compel them to expeditiously execute the contract within the stipulated time frame, it is also pertinent to ensure strick supervision to ensure compliance in both quality and schedule. That's basic logic.

Most procurement laws actually doesn't encourage paying that much as initial milestone but exigencies compels.

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by AmazingELixir: 9:07am On Jul 24, 2022
Dikaveli:
Arrogant fool

Aboki used and dump you

After you don mess up with rivers money

Amechi will be better than you

grin grin grin

You mean like Ameachi that has gone into oblivion and nobody talks about anymore...even his comrades are deserting him everywhere.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by SeaTrade(m): 9:07am On Jul 24, 2022
Nigeriafirstlad:



Prove of the bolded. Mr man be calming down.
The country is gone.
You said State governments invest in JB because they could use them to launder money and you're showing me screenshots of bribe distribution allegations and kickbacks to JB as proof of states government laundering money via JB?
They(State governments) can still receive bribes or kickbacks from JB without investing in them na,so how does what you're saying hold water?

Aren't you lost in your own argument like this? sad
And I'm very calm,trust me.

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by bonnyhope: 9:08am On Jul 24, 2022
Shikamaru1:
It is technically a Nigerian company, most of you are uniformed. Julius Berger is listed on the Nigerian Stock exchange. The Germans are not the majority shareholders.
You are saying technically

But Originally it is German
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by idahme(m): 9:11am On Jul 24, 2022
nony43:
This is an old video.

It's not an old video...why don't you do fact check of the projects they are mentioning, they are new projects he is bringing up in PH.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by frog12: 9:13am On Jul 24, 2022
good point but I can differ. that's why you pay for only materials first grin

AmazingELixir:


In a runaway and inflation prone economy such as Nigeria's what Wike did by giving 80% is the most logical thing to do....unless ofcourse you want contractors to come back and ask for variation due to price changes.

Most contractors includes validity period of the quoted contracts sum, if it exceeds such period it gives them grounds to ask for contract review hence variation but paying upfront you corner and compel them to expeditiously execute the contract within the stipulated time frame, it is also pertinent to ensure strick supervision to ensure compliance in both quality and schedule. That's basic logic.

Most procurement laws actually doesn't encourage paying that much as initial milestone but exigencies compels.

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by sulaak(m): 9:14am On Jul 24, 2022
Manny21:
At least he is serious by giving 80 percent upfront. I know of many governors who will like to embark on similar projects on credit. They will then take the credit but owing the contractors until the end of their tenure they will then leave the liability for their successors to be battling with

In what world do you give 80% upfront to a contractor and expect serious results. Wike is useless and stupid

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by sulaak(m): 9:16am On Jul 24, 2022
AmazingELixir:


In a runaway and inflation prone economy such as Nigeria's what Wike did by giving 80% is the most logical thing to do....unless ofcourse you want contractors to come back and ask for variation due to price changes.

Most contractors includes validity period of the quoted contracts sum, if it exceeds such period it gives them grounds to ask for contract review hence variation but paying upfront you corner and compel them to expeditiously execute the contract within the stipulated time frame, it is also pertinent to ensure strick supervision to ensure compliance in both quality and schedule. That's basic logic.

Most procurement laws actually doesn't encourage paying that much as initial milestone but exigencies compels.

You please the funds in an escrow account and pay for all material in advance
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by frog12: 9:18am On Jul 24, 2022
okowa is a snake. a betrayer. he betrayed the southern governors for position

erniok:

I think Atiku was smart to pick Okowa. With Wike, his authority as the president will be challenged even openly. Wike is too strong headed and loudmouthed.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Stronghold91: 9:18am On Jul 24, 2022
Atiku greatest mistake
he did not pick wike as his vice president
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by idahme(m): 9:20am On Jul 24, 2022
frog12:
wike is a dullard. who pays 80 percent up front to contractors na fools be dat. you only pay 50 percent at most.


What is the future value of money?

Whether you don't pay it today, you will pay it Tomorrow.vyou think if you sign a contract of 1billion today , you will still pay one billion at the end of the contract? Inflation adjustment will also come into play. 1billion today can never be one billion in 1year.

A government can do that if the contractor has shown previously that it can be trusted and has delivered same promises they made. JB has been delivering multiple flyovers within 10months of going into site.

You think you are smarter than the Governor who doesn't want to keep projects under construction for the incoming administration?
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by erico2k2(m): 9:20am On Jul 24, 2022
Dikaveli:
Arrogant fool

Aboki used and dump you

After you don mess up with rivers money

Amechi will be better than you
make una get sense Okowa gave 120b he borrowed with the heads of delta state to Atiku but Wike refused to use Rivers state money to give Atiku even though he has x5 of such funds.nor be Man e be?
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Christistruth00: 9:24am On Jul 24, 2022
Nigeriafirstlad:
After more than 70yrears of transferring our common wealth to Germany, Nigeria can not establish a world class construction company that will compete with Julius Berger or even send them packing. Very Sad.

Welldone Mr Project.


Don't forget the reason why the company is attractive to some state governors is because they also use it to launder money.

The more you look the nothing you see.






Don’t Joke with the Germans and British when it comes to Construction they Truly have a gift from God

Even the most well Trained Nigerian Engineers will need divine intervention to produce the Standard Of Construction that they do

Just go and take a Very Good look at the 3 rd Mainland Bridge and you will see that what produced it was beyond degrees and Education

It took Godly Wisdom


Many of the Roads the Romans built in Bath in Uk 2000 years ago are still functioning and they didn’t have degrees, they didn’t even know Physics



https://brewminate.com/the-roads-of-roman-britain/

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by ogmask: 9:29am On Jul 24, 2022
Manny21:
At least he is serious by giving 80 percent upfront. I know of many governors who will like to embark on similar projects on credit. They will then take the credit but owing the contractors until the end of their tenure they will then leave the liability for their successors to be battling with

It's not a wise decision to do so. Money for contracts should be done according to milestones and not pay almost everything upfront thereby leaving the state at the mercy of the contractor. Come to Phc and see the kind of shabby job JB is doing. No supervision no oversight, and very rough and poor craftsmanship. We all know the reason for the wholesale payment is because he uses them to launder money.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Nigeriafirstlad(m): 9:30am On Jul 24, 2022
SeaTrade:

You said State governments invest in JB because they could use them to launder money and you're showing me screenshots of bribe distribution allegations and kickbacks to JB as proof of states government laundering money via JB?
They(State governments) can still receive bribes or kickbacks from JB without investing in them na,so how does what you're saying hold water?

Aren't you lost in your own argument like this? sad
And I'm very calm,trust me.




The reason why JB is attractive to them is because JB is a dubious company. Kickback can be done in several ways to launder money.

A governor can pay 90% upfront for a road project or flyovers in Nigeria and receive 20% of the money as kickback in Lebanon offshore account or Dubai offshore account.

That's how they operate and it becomes impossible for anti-corrupsion agencies to trace because of the complexities of the transaction.
you will only understand when you are involved.

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by AmazingELixir: 9:32am On Jul 24, 2022
frog12:
good point but I can differ. that's why you pay for only materials first grin


Nah, you can't do that, most engineering contracts have Mobilization, statutory approvals, Engineering design and reviews in that order as their first 3 milestones, procurement and construction amongst others follow suit. As a client you pay by milestones following that sequence.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Soulsymbol99: 9:33am On Jul 24, 2022
The 80% na make em for collect his full share immediately grin

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by ogmask: 9:35am On Jul 24, 2022
Galaxydon1:
I wish he could rule rivers state for more 20 years

What kind of wish is this Na... Abeg take your wish easy my guy. If u live here u wouldn't wish such for even your enemies.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by waice6571: 9:36am On Jul 24, 2022
Manny21:
At least he is serious by giving 80 percent upfront. I know of many governors who will like to embark on similar projects on credit. They will then take the credit but owing the contractors until the end of their tenure they will then leave the liability for their successors to be battling with

Most especially the governor's from the North... They lack financial integrity. Many contractors are serious debt because of their infidelity.
Imagine supplying rice to a state (Sokoto) hospital in the north with 3months payback duly signed agreement but they refused to pay almost 2years after.
Borehole contract with Kano State RUWASA... After borrowing millions from the bank to execute the contractor is begging to feed himself with his family practically scattered.

It is very bad walahi....

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by frog12: 9:39am On Jul 24, 2022
good point. we are just saying after paying almost all the money to JB, JB can now delay the project with one excuse after another. You pay for materials so inflation no go affect am. Wike is not smart. he is just a noisemaker.

idahme:



What is the future value of money?

Whether you don't pay it today, you will pay it Tomorrow.vyou think if you sign a contract of 1billion today , you will still pay one billion at the end of the contract? Inflation adjustment will also come into play. 1billion today can never be one billion in 1year.

A government can do that if the contractor has shown previously that it can be trusted and has delivered same promises they made. JB has been delivering multiple flyovers within 10months of going into site.

You think you are smarter than the Governor who doesn't want to keep projects under construction for the incoming administration?

Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Enny2013(f): 9:40am On Jul 24, 2022
I just like dis man! Dnt just know y...
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by vastolord4(m): 9:41am On Jul 24, 2022
erniok:

I think other wise, it's a team work. Wike would want to be a decision maker too which is not in the constitution.

Our constitution makes the office of the VP more land the presidents handbag. It should have assigned duties to it.

I repeat, isn't it what we need?
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by frog12: 9:44am On Jul 24, 2022
i agree. you pay by milestone, but engineering design will not cost billions. procurement is what takes most of the cost.

AmazingELixir:


Nah, you can't do that, most engineering contracts have Mobilization, statutory approvals, Engineering design and reviews in that order as their first 3 milestones, procurement and construction amongst others follow suit. As a client you pay by milestones following that sequence.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by AmazingELixir: 9:45am On Jul 24, 2022
sulaak:


You please the funds in an escrow account and pay for all material in advance

Escrow account managed by a financial institution I would imagine, in that case you'll be paying more than the contract sum because the retaining institution will definitely charge both commission and management fee for engaging their own consultants to monitor milestone progress to trigger payment certificates.
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by SeaTrade(m): 9:54am On Jul 24, 2022
Nigeriafirstlad:





The reason why JB is attractive to them is because JB is a dubious company. Kickback can be done in several ways to launder money.

A governor can pay 90% upfront for a road project or flyovers in Nigeria and receive 20% of the money as kickback in Lebanon offshore account or Dubai offshore account.

That's how they operate and it becomes impossible for anti-corrupsion agencies to trace because of the complexities of the transaction.
you will only understand when you are involved.
What does all these you are saying have to do with you proving that state governments bought Julius Berger stakes so as to have them launder money,when they can just award them contracts and have them move their kickbacks to any country of their choice?
Also ,I've been meaning to ask you this since but your naive responses have been making me feel like you will have a hard time giving a reasonable answer,reason I've been dragging foot but I'll go ahead and ask you so you can go do your research and leave me alone.
Now,what kind of company(especially one of repute like JB) will accept investments from states that it is meant to use to expand ops and make more money for itself and its new partner (the states in this case) so as to launder the money?
How will it now generate profits to pay the state for this investment when the working capital has been laundered?
What now happens when power changes hands and someone else comes and hold them accountable for their non performing investments?
Does this look like a good deal for JB?
If not,why will they accept it?

As for your last sentence, your incoherence alone is enough for me to think that you're not involved in anything of this nature, because your emptiness is alarming.
I'll stop responding here,don't bother to quote me again.
Cheers.

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Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by bluebay(m): 9:54am On Jul 24, 2022
Dikaveli:
Arrogant fool

Aboki used and dump you

After you don mess up with rivers money

Amechi will be better than you
Am not sure you’re from
This country nor know anything about river state . Mute please
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by DWJOBScom(m): 10:00am On Jul 24, 2022
MrFinbarr:
The man with BALLS grin

Big balls
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Kurutinto(m): 10:07am On Jul 24, 2022
Lovenorth:
Wike is now an APC member, he has seen the truth

Even you are now a labour party member. You have become OBIdient. Welcome to light mate

Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by rickleye: 10:11am On Jul 24, 2022
vastolord4:
He's trying to tell Nigerians "see what you guys are missing" by not being a running mate to atiku. He's playing mind games now. Wike is intelligent but just for he's on gain but naija isn't pH where your "men Dem" got your back. Naija politics na "Dogs eats Dogs". Honestly, I prefer him to Okowa. Okowa is just another Osinbajo.. the guy is just a mopping ornament.

That is what you need in a VP though. You don’t want someone who will outshine the president or compete for airtime. VP are meant to work behind the camera , not seen or heard except when on assignment by the president.
Wikes personality does not fit a VP.
( When Obama was picking Biden- he needed someone who would speak his mind to him and not the public amongst other things)
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by starstaz(m): 10:16am On Jul 24, 2022
Nigeriafirstlad:
After more than 70yrears of transferring our common wealth to Germany, Nigeria can not establish a world class construction company that will compete with Julius Berger or even send them packing. Very Sad.

Welldone Mr Project.

These multiple nations in one called Niger areas are deficient of one simple thing. We are thinking living in the world of competition is a joke, far from it brethren. The key issue with us is transfer of knowledge to wealth. We keep going to school taking and producing graduates, tons of them, in engineering courses in all the length and breadth of the country but have failed to translate this knowledge to wealth creation. Many years after independence the best � construction company in our land is still Julius Berger and there is no deliberate effort to prop up one indigenous company to rival it. So what is the essence of all this over 60 years of education if there is still missing links. These are what intellectuals and national moulders should saddle themselves with. Not forgetting, how president Obasanjo decided one day that enough is enough and he deliberately positioned Dangote to enter the exclusive Billionaire list. What did he do, he made it a duty to position Adenuga, Otedola, Jim Ovia and Dangote and more to an elevated class of national interests where they can rub shoulder to shoulder with world class billionaires across the world and the result paid of that till this day in our life time, we are reputed to have No 1 rank in Forbes Africa list of billionaires (never mind us being the poverty capital of the world ironically). What am projecting is with foresight it is doable to achieve bigger things in this world with the right set of planning. Time is ripe for us as a nation to prop up our own indigenous giant construction company.


Don't forget the reason why the company is attractive to some state governors is because they also use it to launder money.

The more you look the nothing you see.


Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by Nobody: 10:23am On Jul 24, 2022
Abia state, I have never seen any road constructed in Abia by Julius Berger! Abia State is getting big money from allocation, Oil money etc Abians is this how to move ahead in life? Kai!
Re: Wike Warns Julius Berger After Paying 80% Upfront For Road Contracts (Video) by loswhite(m): 10:25am On Jul 24, 2022
Nigeriafirstlad:
After more than 70yrears of transferring our common wealth to Germany, Nigeria can not establish a world class construction company that will compete with Julius Berger or even send them packing. Very Sad.

Welldone Mr Project.


Don't forget the reason why the company is attractive to some state governors is because they also use it to launder money.

The more you look the nothing you see.


You guys like clamoring for indigenous contractors but the reality is simple...Visit Delta state and see the useless works of indigenous contractors.

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