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ovoP:
when club like city does this, you say they're buying the league..

Because everything about them is questionable. From where they get their revenues and all.

ovoP:
when club like city does this, you say they're buying the league..

Does United look like a sugar daddy club?

ChristoBam:
And why do you think Ten Hag is not ready to risk on signings like SVS or Neves or Rice and co.

Buy them and you've gotten your midfielder. Don't even disturb them again.

But what do you want them to do? Should not buy manager’s preferred players? Or buy, and if the squad don’t do well, change it next year?

nitrogen:
Simple, we have more money to spend on players. These guys commercialized man utd. You thing it’s easy to increase revenue to 600m with less success on the pitch?

Man utd has maintained relevance, we expanded our reach to Asia and Latin America under them.

Go check some teams that were in the same level with Utd 20 years ago, they disappeared. Some of them are only beginning to come back to the scene!

One question I have for you is, why did the fans and English big boys allow the sale to an American family? Why did you sell to a businessman, and now you want to tell them how to run the club?

Which team was at our level 20 years ago that dissapeared?

The mental gymnastics going into defending the Glaziers.

ovoP:
what we need is a philosophy and director of football, that will buy players that fit that system, and only higher coaches that fit that system, ETH didn't sign any player at ajax, he was given the player, but they were bought, because they could play a particular style of football he wanted... this buying of players, the coaches want is part of the reason we're in this mess, if things don't go well and he's sacked, the next manager comes, and tells you he wants his own.. that's another loss.. we have good players, that fit different styles.. the club should employ a DOF .. identify targets, and work with the manager, to see if he likes or wants them

This makes sense. I also said we need a system and buy players that fit into the system. But you know the problem, fans are not patient, they will say that the owners have refused to back the managers by not buying the players they’ve asked for.

ChristoBam:
Sign your manager. Spend 150m first season, 200m next season, probably 200 next season until you're finally completing for things.


These ones will spend 200m first, then 30 the following season. Then you get sacked.
Then new manager gets 200m with joy, then 50m the next summer, then another sack.

But after years, we're supposed to praise them cuz on the long run they've spent more than the ones splashing on the manager till they get sucess?

Loool, so, you want every manager to spend 500 million every two seasons? Jesus!

ChristoBam:
This is what I always say but bros forget it. The DOF will only manage what he's given.

you ďont have to spend the highest to be successful.. look at bayern..

nitrogen:
But what do you want them to do? Should not buy manager’s preferred players? Or buy, and if the squad don’t do well, change it next year?

There's nothing they can do but sell the club.
They can never change cuz they need to repay debt and love their dividends.

The manager has limited players cuz he's only going after the players he's 100% sure about. If you fill a position with a player that ends up flopping, then forget about buying into that position again. Only a new manager after you get sacked will be able to replace that.

ovoP:
you ďont have to spend the highest to be successful.. look at bayern..

Lol Bayern poach the best players from their league on a cheap. Don't compare us.

nitrogen:
I still don’t understand your rationale for spending 3 billion on player acquisition in 10 years. It’s funny and does not make sense to me. Will it bring more revenue to the club or what?

So you are telling me if United had Mbappe, Ronaldo, Haaland, etc at Old Trafford, their commercial value would not bring plenty of money in merchandise to the club?

If big names don’t translate to money, why are the Glazers on their knees begging Ronaldo to stay? They had to go and drag Alex Ferguson out of his retirement to add to the begging.

The more grade A assets you purchase, the more money the club would make in revenue.

ChristoBam:
Because everything about them is questionable. From where they get their revenues and all.

That’s the type of owners you guys want. Dem Russians or Arabs that will continue to inject laundered money from questionable sources into the club.

Guess what, the Glazers have even been spending at the same level with these guys.

ChristoBam:
Lol Bayern poach the best players from their league on a cheap. Don't compare us.

you can go there an poach also.. all you need is a working system, and those players will want to move here, the reason I hard to move players for us, is because we offer high salaries.. so only big clubs can pay those wages also

Illimitable:
So you are telling me if United had Mbappe, Ronaldo, Haaland, etc at Old Trafford, their commercial value would not bring plenty of money in merchandise to the club?

If big names don’t translate to money, why are the Glazers on their knees begging Ronaldo to stay? They had to go and drag Alex Ferguson out of his retirement to add to the begging.

The more grade A assets you purchase, the more money the club would make in revenue.

That’s the thing, the fans don’t know what they want. You want big and established superstars that will make us spend 150m per player acquisition. Others want a system and players that will fit into it (not superstars). Spending big on established players has gotten us to where we are today. I would prefer the latter, but can fans like you ever be patient with the system approach?

One thing is clear to everyone, the Glazers are spending and they are competing with other top spenders!

nitrogen:
That’s the type of owners you guys want. Dem Russians or Arab money that will continue to inject laundered money from questionable sources into the club.

Guess what, the Glazers have even been spending at the same level with these guys.

Laundered money from questionable sources that bring glory to the club is allowed. I am a football fan first and foremost and my biggest wish is for my club to bring glory.

Man City have already overtaken Arsenal in the number of PL titles won in the last 6 years or so. That’s what good money and a brilliant structure can do to the progress of a club.

The Glazers have taken £1 billion out of the club, City owners have injected £1 billion into theirs. You can’t compare a nourisher to a parasite. You think the average City fan cares where their funds come from?

ChristoBam:
There's nothing they can do but sell the club.
They can never change cuz they need to repay debt and love their dividends.

The manager has limited players cuz he's only going after the players he's 100% sure about. If you fill a position with a player that ends up flopping, then forget about buying into that position again. Only a new manager after you get sacked will be able to replace that.

Oya, tell your people to buy na. They are ready to sell, but no one can cough out money to buy. You think say e easy?

The Glazers are not happy without success.. without success, there is a drop in revenue

Illimitable:
Laundered money from questionable sources that bring glory to the club is allowed. I am a football fan first and foremost and my biggest wish is for my club to bring glory.

Man City have already overtaken Arsenal in the number of PL titles won in the last 6 years or so. That’s what good money and a brilliant structure can do to the progress of a club.

The Glazers have taken £1 billion out of the club, City owners have injected £1 billion into theirs. You can’t compare a nourisher to a parasite. You think the average City fan cares where their funds come from?

Okay now. I have no further comments!

Bombblacks:
Stop typing in discussion you have little to zero knowledge about. They used 90% of loan money to purchase United and saddled it with debts to the bank. United was debt free before those leaches came into the club, saddled It with debt and took money from it. Since 2005 we have spent almost £704m on interest for the loans taken out by the Glazers. Since the leveraged buy-out we have spent £1.1 bln on financing ( £704m interest, £244m debt repayments and £125m dividends) Averaged £42m in last 5 years. We have spent nearly 1.1billion on the glazers from 2005 till now. 1.1billion taken away from the club that would have gone a long way in developing infrastructure and the squad further.

That one Billion for reach build new and improved stadium self. Madrid and Barca are already working on their stadiums.

nitrogen:
That’s the thing, the fans don’t know what they want. You want big and established superstars that will make us spend 150m per player acquisition. Others want a system and players that will fit into it (not superstars). Spending big on established players has gotten us to where we are today. I would prefer the latter, but can fans like you ever be patient with the system approach?

One thing is clear to everyone, the Glazers are spending and they are competing with other top spenders!

City’s superstars tend to fit into their system and they win all the time.

Real Madrid’s superstars always fitted into their system and they almost always win the CL.

United is the only club who spend big on useless players and achieve nothing with it. Ole spent £130m on Maguire and Wan Bissaka - that level of idiotic spending counts as The Glazers are spending and they are competing with other top spenders.

This is the obscenity going on at OT in Player sales. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that the entire structure is rotten. You know we are fücked as a club when Everton and Southampton know how better to generate funds from player sales than Glazers’ United.

Let’s face it, this club is doomed.

Trevor012:
That one Billion for reach build new and improved stadium self. Madrid and Barca are already working on their stadiums.

You are funny. So you think the 1.1 billion came in at once? It’s came in over 10-15 years, which means the new stadium gets built over 15 years. If you air mark 1billion for a project that will take 10-15 years, cost overruns will kill you. You will spend close to 3/4 billion because of inflation and increase in cost of materials.

There is a reason people take loans for capital projects.

No changes yet for Cristiano Ronaldo situation. Manchester United insist he’s not for sale, Cristiano told ten Hag in the last 24h that he still wants to leave. �� #MUFC

His agent Jorge Mendes will try again to find a solution. Waiting strategy on, as last year with Juventus.

nitrogen:
You are funny. So you think the 1.1 billion came in at once? It’s came in over 10-15 years, which means the new stadium gets built over 15 years. If you air mark 1billion for a project that will take 10-15 years, cost overruns will kill you. You will spend close to 3/4 billion because of inflation and increase in cost of materials.

There is a reason people take loans for capital projects.

Even If it came in over 30years it's still 1.1billion taken away from the club. 1.1 billion injected into the club over the last 10 to 15years is massive.

Illimitable:
City’s superstars tend to fit into their system and they win all the time.

Real Madrid’s superstars always fitted into their system and they almost always win the CL.

United is the only club who spend big on useless players and achieve nothing with it. Ole spent £130m on Maguire and Wan Bissaka - that level of idiotic spending counts as The Glazers are spending and they are competing with other top spenders.

This is the obscenity going on at OT in Player sales. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that the entire structure is rotten. You know we are fücked as a club when Everton and Southampton know how better to generate funds from player sales than Glazers’ United.

Let’s face it, this club is doomed.

Again, I agree that they have not spent well, but I am against people saying that they are taking significant money out (which is not true as they have only received 125m in dividends in 10 years) and they don’t spend (which is also not true because they are spending at the same level with the other top spenders).

The club is not doomed, otherwise we would have become the likes of Newcastle, Leeds and Ipswich town.

We just need a system that works, then buy based on the system.

TLona1:
No changes yet for Cristiano Ronaldo situation. Manchester United insist he’s not for sale, Cristiano told ten Hag in the last 24h that he still wants to leave. �� #MUFC

His agent Jorge Mendes will try again to find a solution. Waiting strategy on, as last year with Juventus.

Why are all these barcabots interested In Ronaldo this much? Your obsession with Ororo stinks

Trevor012:
Even If it came in over 30years it's still 1.1billion taken away from the club. 1.1 billion injected into the club over the last 10 to 15years is massive.

Question is, why do you want to inject 3 billion into the club over 10 years when other clubs that earn the same revenue spend less than 2 billion (acquisitions and stadium maintenance) in the same period?

It’s business/financial irresponsibility! Football management has changed, it’s not just trophies, you also need to be financially responsible to ensure that you don’t go under!

nitrogen:
Question is, why must you inject 3 billion into the club over 10 years when other clubs that earn the same revenue have spent less than 2 billion (acquisitions and stadium maintenance) in the same period?

Is it the club money or not? What do you mean by why should the money and revenue generated by the club be spent on the club? How does spending 1.1billion generated by the club on it's infrastructure, Sqaud etc put the club at risk of going under?

nitrogen:
Question is, why must you inject 3 billion into the club over 10 years when other clubs that earn the same revenue have spent less than 2 billion (acquisitions and stadium maintenance) in the same period?

It’s business/financial irresponsibility! Football management has changed, it’s not just trophies, you also need to be financially responsible to ensure that you don’t go under!

How can United go under when they are guaranteed £600m every season? Even during the pandemic lockdown when games were played closed doors, the club still generated well over £500m.

The traditional European clubs can never go under. You are just fashioning out excuses for the Glazers who have been largely irresponsible. Even if a manager makes a stupid purchase, you don’t wait 3 years to get rid of that player.

Every man and his rat knows Maguire/AWB have no business playing for a top 6 side in England and yet they are about to start their 4th season at United. By the time they realize they should be sold, their value would have diminished so much that no club would pay above £5m for an £80m Maguire.

Trevor012:
Is it the club money or not? What do you mean by why should the money and revenue generated by the club be spent on the club? How does spending 1.1billion generated by the club on it's infrastructure, Sqaud etc put the club at risk of going under?

Because there are other costs called operating costs. You guys are talking about buying players and spending on stadium etc. won’t you pay salaries and stuffs.

Now, let me correct the notion that it’s the club’s money. Whatever money the club generates belong to the owners/shareholders, they can do what they like with it. We are fans, not owners, not operators. Players collect salaries, operators too, fans enjoy the game, shareholders bought the club and are entitled to all cash flows from the club.

nitrogen:
Because there are other costs called operating costs. You guys are talking about buying players and spending on stadium etc. won’t you pay salaries and stuffs.

Now, let me correct the notion that it’s the club’s money. Whatever money the club generates belong to the owners/shareholders, they can do what they like with it. We are fans, not owners, not operators. Players collect salaries, operators too, fans enjoy the game, shareholders bought the club and are entitled to all cash flows from the club.

So you think spending money the club generates on itself does not include operating cost as well cause the excuses you are coming up with had no foundation to stand on. No matter how you twist it 1.1billion has been take away from the club which could have been massive if spent on it.

nitrogen:
That’s the type of owners you guys want. Dem Russians or Arabs that will continue to inject laundered money from questionable sources into the club.

Guess what, the Glazers have even been spending at the same level with these guys.

Omo, you just dey yarn another thing.

How much do these clubs bring in compared to United? We don't need to inject laundered money since we make crazy money every year.

It's that simple. We're not city. We're not Chelsea. We're Fvcking Manchester United.

ovoP:
you can go there an poach also.. all you need is a working system, and those players will want to move here, the reason I hard to move players for us, is because we offer high salaries.. so only big clubs can pay those wages also

We can go where to poach. They pick the most promising players and managers from the small clubs there.

If the EPL was like that, we'd have Kane, Rice, Kante and VVD in our team.

Illimitable:
How can United go under when they are guaranteed £600m every season? Even during the pandemic lockdown when games were played closed doors, the club still generated well over £500m.

The traditional European clubs can never go under. You are just fashioning out excuses for the Glazers who have been largely irresponsible. Even if a manager makes a stupid purchase, you don’t wait 3 years to get rid of that player.

Every man and his rat knows Maguire/AWB have no business playing for a top 6 side in England and yet they are about to start their 4th season at United. By the time they realize they should be sold, their value would have diminished so much that no club would pay above £5m for an £80m Maguire.

Barca had to sell a part of their rights to future revenues to fund the club’s activities. The club owes 1.1 billion pounds because of financial irresponsibility.

I will give you a list of clubs that went under because of financial issues and had to strive to get back to the top. It took them over 10 years to. Some are still in the trenches as we speak. Leeds, AC Milan, Parma FC, etc.

Regarding players, unfortunately, our managers asked for them. How is that the owner’s fault? If they don’t buy players for a manager, you will still complain.