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AntiChristian:
So then the Christians too lied by claiming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gospels! If Jesus preached the gospel or good news then the good news should be one not four different accounts!

Your Jesus said in John 5:30 or so, that he can of himself do nothing! He judge as he hear...

Those things he did were as was revealed to him.

Gospel according to… John, Matthew etc

They reported the gospel Jesus preached

The same way you have different narrators of Mohammed’s sayings (hadiths)

Ekrenji:
Gospel according to… John, Matthew etc

They reported the gospel Jesus preached

The same way you have different narrators of Mohammed’s sayings (hadiths)

Seems you get sense!

Hadiths is different from Qur'an in that Hadith can be authenticated. Authentication means tracing the hadith to find out the possibility of it being true or not! The Qur'an is true and from Allah wholly.

The narrators are mentioned in Hadiths and the chains of person is mentioned till it gets to the Prophet.

This is not available in the case of the Bible.

Matthew never wrote this, did he?
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. Matthew 9:9.

And Mark & Luke didn't say who there sources of information were (Like the hadiths you mentioned).

See Luke's starting verses
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4.

Lastly how do we reconcile these:
1.Jesus before the Pilate
Matthew 27:11-14
11 Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

Jesus said to him, “It is as you say.” 12 And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.

13 Then Pilate said to Him, “Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?” 14 But He answered him not one word, so that the governor marveled greatly.

2.Jesus before the Pilate
Mark 15:1-3

Immediately, in the morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council; and they bound Jesus, led Him away, and delivered Him to Pilate. 2 Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”

3 And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing. 4 Then Pilate asked Him again, saying, “Do You answer nothing? See how many things they testify against You!” 5 But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled.

3.Jesus before the Pilate
Luke 23:1-3

Then their whole assembly rose up and brought him before Pilate. 2 They began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man misleading our nation, opposing payment of taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is the Messiah, a king.”

3 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

He answered him, “You say so.”

4.Jesus before the Pilate (Note John adding graphics to the script!)
John 18:33-37
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

35[b] “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?[/b]”

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

37[b] “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.[/b]

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

Balerion:
Even if our opninions are contradictory which they are not, why not provide a better answer instead of finding mistakes

You ask me question or which better answer are you expecting when you're both confused?

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AntiChristian:
Seems you get sense!

Hadiths is different from Qur'an in that Hadith can be authenticated. Authentication means tracing the hadith to find out the possibility of it being true or not! The Qur'an is true and from Allah wholly.

The narrators are mentioned in Hadiths and the chains of person is mentioned till it gets to the Prophet.

This is not available in the case of the Bible.

Matthew never wrote this, did he?
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. Matthew 9:9.

And Mark & Luke didn't say who there sources of information were (Like the hadiths you mentioned).

See Luke's starting verses
Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, 2 just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. 3 With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, 4 so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught. Luke 1:1-4.

Lastly how do we reconcile these:
1.Jesus before the Pilate
Matthew 27:11-14
11 Now Jesus stood before the governor. And the governor asked Him, saying, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

Jesus said to him, “It is as you say.” 12 And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.

13 Then Pilate said to Him, “Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?” 14 But He answered him not one word, so that the governor marveled greatly.

2.Jesus before the Pilate
Mark 15:1-3

Immediately, in the morning, the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council; and they bound Jesus, led Him away, and delivered Him to Pilate. 2 Then Pilate asked Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?”

He answered and said to him, “It is as you say.”

3 And the chief priests accused Him of many things, but He answered nothing. 4 Then Pilate asked Him again, saying, “Do You answer nothing? See how many things they testify against You!” 5 But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled.

3.Jesus before the Pilate
Luke 23:1-3

Then their whole assembly rose up and brought him before Pilate. 2 They began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man misleading our nation, opposing payment of taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is the Messiah, a king.”

3 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

He answered him, “You say so.”

4.Jesus before the Pilate (Note John adding graphics to the script!)
John 18:33-37
33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”

34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”

35[b] “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?[/b]”

36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”

37[b] “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.[/b]

Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”

If you and I are to report the same event we won’t give exactly the same account, so slight differences are allowed in peoples reports of issues. It happens in your hadiths too where there were contrasting things said by different people about Mohammed’s speech or actions him saying you should not back the Kaaba while answering the call of nature and doing the same etc

Regarding Matthew, Luke and John mentioning themselves in their books, who knows if that was the style of writing that time? The Quran that you said is wholly from Allah is guilty of the same too. Allah is always reporting himself as if Mohammed or another person is the one writing the Quran. Speeches like “He is Allah” instead of “I am Allah” etc

Concerning the supposed contradictions, there are multiple in your Quran so don’t follow that path. Why should a book u said it is wholly from Allah have so many contradictions?

Ekrenji:
If you and I are to report the same event we won’t give exactly the same account, so slight differences are allowed in peoples reports of issues. It happens in your hadiths too where there were contrasting things said by different people about Mohammed’s speech or actions him saying you should not back the Kaaba while answering the call of nature and doing the same etc

Regarding Matthew, Luke and John mentioning themselves in their books, who knows if that was the style of writing that time? The Quran that you said is wholly from Allah is guilty of the same too. Allah is always reporting himself as if Mohammed or another person is the one writing the Quran. Speeches like “He is Allah” instead of “I am Allah” etc

Concerning the supposed contradictions, there are multiple in your Quran so don’t follow that path. Why should a book u said it is wholly from Allah have so many contradictions?

You can compare similar things and you will of course be right. But here your wrong. No time was a writer ever seen to mention himself in a write-up as if he wasn't referring to himself.

The beauty of Arabic grammar eludeds even most of us Muslims not to talk of you a non-Muslim! In Arabic grammar I can authoritatively tell you that the Qu'ran is grammatically correct in all respect! Allah is incomparable to anyone among His creations!

You have no evidence of such!

And it is " Say He is Allah..." not just 'He is Allah" as you claim.

We need not mix truth with falsehood to claim our points!

AntiChristian:
You can compare similar things and you will of course be right. But here your wrong. No time was a writer ever seen to mention himself in a write-up as if he wasn't referring to himself.

Quran 95:8- “is not Allah the most of just of judges “

Allah the writer is mentioning himself here

Quran 86:8- “Indeed, Allah, to return him [to life] is able”

Quran 2:9- “They [think to] deceive Allah***

Quran 1:2- “All praise to Allah”

Ekrenji:
Quran 95:8- “is not Allah the most of just of judges “

Allah the writer is mentioning himself here

Quran 86:8- “Indeed, Allah, to return him [to life] is able”

Quran 2:9- “They [think to] deceive Allah***

Quran 1:2- “All praise to Allah”

Allah addresses Himself by name and using first and third person pronoun in the Qu'ran.

Show me where Matthew referred to himself by first person pronoun in the whole book of Matthew?

AntiChristian:
Allah addresses Himself by name and using first and third person pronoun in the Qu'ran.

Show me where Matthew referred to himself by first person pronoun in the whole book of Matthew?

That means Matthew a mere man was more consistent than Allah. The book of Matthew was written more than 5 centuries before the Quran was.
Allah was using we, us, our for himself and he didn’t say “I am Allah your God” except in few places where he the writers of the Quran were quoting someone from the Bible

In Quran 20:11-12 where the writers of the Quran quoted from the Bible in the book of Exodus 3:5-6 by inserting Allah into the sentence

There is no where else in your Quran where Allah said “I am Allah your God” unless the writers were quoting from the Bible! If there is, tell me please.

Ekrenji:
That means Matthew a mere man was more consistent than Allah. The book of Matthew was written more than 5 centuries before the Quran was.
Allah was using we, us, our for himself and he didn’t say “I am Allah your God” except in few places where he the writers of the Quran were quoting someone from the Bible

In Quran 20:11-12 where the writers of the Quran quoted from the Bible in the book of Exodus 3:5-6 by inserting Allah into the sentence

There is no where else in your Quran where Allah said “I am Allah your God” unless the writers were quoting from the Bible! If there is, tell me please.

I asked you a question about Matthew which you are earnestly trying to divert away from.
Try and answer it.

Allah is our God and Lord. He speaks mainly in First and Third person pronoun!
Human writers usually don't call their names and use Third person pronoun for themselves.

This available in the Bible.
If you don't know what First and third person pronoun is you can google to learn!

And to say the Bible was being quoted is another big lie!

When was the Bible created?

AntiChristian:
Allah addresses Himself by name and using first and third person pronoun in the Qu'ran.

Show me where Matthew referred to himself by first person pronoun in the whole book of Matthew?

In brevity, Allah can stand as a singular and plural person(s)?

AntiChristian:
I asked you a question about Matthew which you are earnestly trying to divert away from.
Try and answer it.

Allah is our God and Lord. He speaks mainly in First and Third person pronoun!
Human writers usually don't call their names and use Third person pronoun for themselves.

This available in the Bible.
If you don't know what First and third person pronoun is you can google to learn!

And to say the Bible was being quoted is another big lie!

When was the Bible created?

I have already answered your question. There was a consistent pattern in the manner of Matthew’s writing but there were inconsistencies in that of Allah’s because many people must have written it yet to lay claim that the Quran is wholly from Allah.

Bible means book it’s derived from the Greek word Biblio. Any time the people of the book are mentioned in the Quran, the Bible is the book being referred to

Ekrenji:
I have already answered your question. There was a consistent pattern in the manner of Matthew’s writing but there were inconsistencies in that of Allah’s because many people must have written it yet to lay claim that the Quran is wholly from Allah.

Bible means book it’s derived from the Greek word Biblio. Any time the people of the book are mentioned in the Quran, the Bible is the book being referred to

Don't be a hypocrite! Where is the consistence in Matthew's writing? Matthew was not present when Jesus was born! He was not present with Jesus till Matthew 9:9. Where did he get the info he wrote before he met Jesus?

I think i have proven that Matthew never wrote Matthew as there's no evidence he wrote it. If you have any evidence, you can bring it.

And as for the people of the Book
Ahlul Kitab (People of the Book) consist of both believers and disbelievers, as indicated in the Quran, where Allah the Almighty mentions the disbelievers among them (interpretation of the meaning):

"O people of the Scripture!: Why do you disbelieve in the verses [about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)] of Allah, while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)." (Al ‘Imraan, 3:70)

And:

"Say: O people of the Scripture! Why do you stop those who believe from the path of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses? And Allah is not unaware of what you do". (Al ‘Imran, 3:99)

And Allah, the Almighty, said about the believers among them, making clear the difference between them and the aforementioned (interpretation of the meaning):

"Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right and forbid evil and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those who are the pious." (Al ‘Imran, 3:113-115)

These people also believe in our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the Quran which was revealed to him as mentioned (approximate translation of meanings is):

"And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture, those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward from their Lord. Surely, Allah is swift in account." (Al ‘Imran, 3:199)

Are modern Christians among Ahul Kitab?

The disbelief of the disbelieving People of the Scripture, that include Jews and Christians, in our times does not expel them from being People of the Scripture. So, the rules and regulations related to them regarding permissibility of eating their food and marrying their chaste women, in the Quran and Sunnah, are still applicable to them.

AntiChristian:
Don't be a hypocrite! Where is the consistence in Matthew's writing? Matthew was not present when Jesus was born! He was not present with Jesus till Matthew 9:9. Where did he get the info he wrote before he met Jesus?

I notice that you don’t apply the same logic to your religion. You wrote up there that the Quran is wholly Allah’s words, can you read the first chapter of the Quran for us and tell us why Allah is worshipping himself, and praying to be guided to the straight path?

And as for the people of the Book
Ahlul Kitab (People of the Book) consist of both believers and disbelievers, as indicated in the Quran, where Allah the Almighty mentions the disbelievers among them (interpretation of the meaning):

"O people of the Scripture!: Why do you disbelieve in the verses [about Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)] of Allah, while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)." (Al ‘Imraan, 3:70)

And:

"Say: O people of the Scripture! Why do you stop those who believe from the path of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses? And Allah is not unaware of what you do". (Al ‘Imran, 3:99)

And Allah, the Almighty, said about the believers among them, making clear the difference between them and the aforementioned (interpretation of the meaning):

"Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right and forbid evil and they hasten in good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those who are the pious." (Al ‘Imran, 3:113-115)

These people also believe in our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the Quran which was revealed to him as mentioned (approximate translation of meanings is):

"And there are, certainly, among the people of the Scripture, those who believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to you, and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah. They do not sell the Verses of Allah for a little price, for them is a reward from their Lord. Surely, Allah is swift in account." (Al ‘Imran, 3:199)

Are modern Christians among Ahul Kitab?

The disbelief of the disbelieving People of the Scripture, that include Jews and Christians, in our times does not expel them from being People of the Scripture. So, the rules and regulations related to them regarding permissibility of eating their food and marrying their chaste women, in the Quran and Sunnah, are still applicable to them.

None of the verses you posted above indicates that other people apart from the Christians and the Jews are called the people of the Book.
The Book is Biblio aka Bible!

Ekrenji:
I notice that you don’t apply the same logic to your religion. You wrote up there that the Quran is wholly Allah’s words, can you read the first chapter of the Quran for us and tell us why Allah is worshipping himself, and praying to be guided to the straight path?

The revelation comes as directed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel from the mouth of our honoured prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. The opening chapter is as Allah wills it to be.

And the Qu'ran wasn't written by one Matthew disciple, Mark Historian, Luke historian, John disciple, Paul infidel turned disciple after Jesus died.

The claim is that the Qu'ran is wholly from Allah!

The Bible is not even from the people who was claimed to have written it.

None of the verses you posted above indicates that other people apart from the Christians and the Jews are called the people of the Book.
The Book is Biblio aka Bible!

I am not here to prove that.
The books recognized in Islam are known. Only the Qu'ran is still available both written and in memory worldwide!

The others are lost through the ages! And the original manuscript are no more available. No generation was able to successfully preserve it or commit it fully to memory without distortion, omission, commission, alteration, etc.

AntiChristian:
The revelation comes as directed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel from the mouth of our honoured prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. The opening chapter is as Allah wills it to be.

And the Qu'ran wasn't written by one Matthew disciple, Mark Historian, Luke historian, John disciple, Paul infidel turned disciple after Jesus died.

The claim is that the Qu'ran is wholly from Allah!

The Bible is not even from the people who was claimed to have written it.




I am not here to prove that.
The books recognized in Islam are known. Only the Qu'ran is still available both written and in memory worldwide!

The others are lost through the ages! And the original manuscript are no more available. No generation was able to successfully preserve it or commit it fully to memory without distortion, omission, commission, alteration, etc.

In addition to what you wrote the Catholic Bible is differ from other denomitions bibles. Why ?

AntiChristian:
The revelation comes as directed by Allah through the Angel Gabriel from the mouth of our honoured prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam. The opening chapter is as Allah wills it to be.

So Allah spoke to Angel Gabriel whom in turn spoke to Mohammed? That implies that the Quran you said was wholly from Allah is the words of Angel Gabriel.
Why should Allah not have communicated directly to Mohammed?
While you’re trying to refute the claim that Allah was praying in the first chapter of the Quran you are digging more holes for yourself.

Allah wills to pray to be guided to the straight path? That is ridiculous

IslamVIRGlNS:
Is Quran not compiled by men, if YES proof?

It was compiles by Angel albutus

The ones goat eat will be revealed later

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Habibi you are right

So with your assertion and claim because it was written and compiled by men it is NOT THE WORD OF GOD.

Now let me ask you who wrote the Quran? Who compiled the Quran? Who standardised the Quran?

Please becareful of your reply so that it does not tally with your assertion above?

Shukran

AntiChristian:
Short, Concise and direct!

Lovely response!

The Qur'an never mentioned "Bible" but Injeel/Torah/Zabur.

Bisimi l-abi wa l -ibni wa r Ruhi l-Qudus

All those things mentioned above are what?

The tawrah is not found in the Arabu level recitation (Quran)?

The Zabur( psalms ) are not found in the Qur'an?

The Injeel ( gospel is not found in the Quran?


What in hell is found in the Quran( Arabu level recitation)?


Think Habibi think.
How can a complete book not be complete
How can what it claims be lies
How can all the accusations it levied against christains be lies

I pray Ruh Al -Qudus open your eyes to the Salvation of Yasua Al massih

Balerion:
The Injil was revealed to Isa (Jesus) not a book of account by Matthew and Mark

Can you show me from the Quran about this claim?What is the Injeel?

How can the injeeel be lost when it was written in your Quran that Muhammed should go to the christains if he is in doubt.. which means the tawrah gospel where available...or are you wiser than Allah?

When was this injeel lost ? Is it in arabic or Europe?
Who lost it?

I know you are educated ask questions

AntiChristian:
Your assumption not from Allah!

Where did Allah say Injeel can't be changed? Injeel was specifically for the children of Israel.

You're totally wrong!

Shoe us from the Quran where it saays that the Gospel was corrupted changed?

Was it in Arabia that now affected everybody?

It was the bible that was to confirm what Muhammad was saying ( according to Arabu level recitation)

The Bible was very much around during the time of Muhammad, so when was it corrupted? So if I Misuote the Quran to you does that mean I have corrupted the whole of Quran for everybody?

Habibi think

AntiChristian:
It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

That is not what the Quran says...it says it was between his hands according to Quran


Why are you committing shirk?
Astagrafullahi

IslamVIRGlNS:
Here is what Allah says

Surah 10:64

For them are glad tidings in this world and in the Hereafter. The words of Allah shall not change. That is the supreme triumph.


Surah 6:34

And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah . And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.


Surah 18:27

And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words,


So, if we agree that the prophets preceding Muhammad (PBUH) were given revelation by Allah (as Maida 5:68-69 said), and since these passages, many times over, say very clearly that no one can change Allah’s Words, how then can one believe that the words of Taurat, Zabur and Injil (i.e. al kitab = the Bible) was corrupted or changed by men? It would require a denial of the Qur’an itself to believe that the Bible has been corrupted or changed.

As a matter of fact, this idea of judging various kinds of revelation from God as better or worse than others, though widely believed, is not supported in the Qur’an.




This is what the hadiths and sunnah say on this topic. Notice how the following hadiths affirm the existence and use of the Taurat and Injil in the time of the Prophet Muhammad



“Khadija [his wife] then accompanied him [The Prophet – PBUH] to her cousin Waraqa …, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.”


Al-Bukhari Vol 1, Book 1, No 3

Narrated Abu Huraira: ..The people of the Scripture used to read the Torah in Hebrew and explain it to the Muslims in Arabic. Then Allah’s Apostle said, “Do not believe the people of the Scripture, and do not disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever has been revealed…’


Al-Bukhari Vol 9, Book 93, No. 632

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, “(But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” … the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm.

Habibi

May the good Lord bless you.

They didn't know we are nit playing

They thought it was before we don't read Qurans or hadith or tasfir

Allaah didn't know there will be Internet


Glory to YASUA AL MASSIH

BlackfireX:
That is not what the Quran says...it says it was between his hands according to Quran


Why are you committing shirk?
Astagrafullahi

What is Shirk? Association of partners...so how is this even related at all.

It seems i'm in a misplaced convo!

Ekrenji:
Becos Muhammed never made such a claim, even at the time of revealing the Quran, he said people of the gospel should judge by what is revealed therein

“And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allāh has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.” Sura 5:47

Then we judged by what is written in the Gospel and found out that Muhammed is a liar and manipulator ...so we obey Aallah and rejected him...


Then all he'll broke loose he showed that he was a false prophet .... and he died as it was said by Allah that if he fabricate lies he will die by blood

Yes it happened


You can't denigrate the Messiah and not receive judgement

BlackfireX:
Shoe us from the Quran where it saays that the Gospel was corrupted changed?

Was it in Arabia that now affected everybody?

It was the bible that was to confirm what Muhammad was saying ( according to Arabu level recitation)

The Bible was very much around during the time of Muhammad, so when was it corrupted? So if I Misuote the Quran to you does that mean I have corrupted the whole of Quran for everybody?

Habibi think

Repeating lies won't make it the truth!

The word "Bible" was created when?
The compilation of the Bible to include letters of Paul was done when?
Are you saying the Injeel revealed to Jesus also includes letters of Paul?

This is a big fat ignora...

AntiChristian:
Not Uthman but Abu Bakr. See error 404!



It was already called a Book before taking the form of a Book! So a Book is what can be written and read!

He was right Uthman was the one who standardised the Quran ( and all this years we were told Allah gave it to Muhammed after writing it in heaven)

After standardising he burnt the one he felt wasn't Quran.. imagine Muslim was the first person to burn QURAN ( WORD OF ALLAH O)


Today we have more than 8 Qur'ans

Popular ones Hafs and warsh

With different readings and meaning

Gottchaaaa

Ekrenji:
It is nt the same. Mohammed just got things mixed up, he had tot that Moses, David and Jesus were actually given books so he tot he was given a book called the Quran too.
Jesus never claimed to have been given any book, he said he came to preach the good news (gospel). Gospel is not book

Muhammad didn't know that... Waraqa didn't teach that before he died.

Laugh wan finishi me for here

AntiChristian:
So then the Christians too lied by claiming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gospels! If Jesus preached the gospel or good news then the good news should be one not four different accounts!

Your Jesus said in John 5:30 or so, that he can of himself do nothing! He judge as he hear...

Those things he did were as was revealed to him.

Where did Jesus said he can of himself do nothing? And when you show us let's read the whole chapter as content and context

Because Muslim like Quoting a verse

Those days are over.

If you read the whole context you will see it shows the divinity of Jesus ... that means the Quran was wrong

AntiChristian:
Repeating lies won't make it the truth!

The word "Bible" was created when?
The compilation of the Bible to include letters of Paul was done when?
Are you saying the Injeel revealed to Jesus also includes letters of Paul?

This is a big fat ignora...

Now I know you don't even know anything about Islam or Christianity

Pele

The way you guys hate Paul one will think he was the one that told Zayynab to put poison in Muhammad meat...ogaaa o

So you don't know the meaning of bible or where it is gotten .... try and know it will cure some of your delusional and misconceptions... tufiakwaaaa

So all this while you are ignorant of what was been said, no wonder you never provide answers to questions and you always run away when altaqiyya can't work.... allahkiaye

BlackfireX:
Where did Jesus said he can of himself do nothing? And when you show us let's read the whole chapter as content and context

Because Muslim like Quoting a verse

Those days are over.

If you read the whole context you will see it shows the divinity of Jesus ... that means the Quran was wrong

When Christians quote John 3:16, do they remember to read it from the beginning verse 1? This is what is common in Christianity as Memory verse! A pastor can just come up with one verse at the middle and interprete it to his audience as he likes!

I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

The context is that Jesus was clearly explaining he was a messenger sent by God and that he does nothing of his own will! Jesus is simply dependent on God!

Jesus was trying to give his authority and defend his actions!

A divine person needs no reliance on another superior!