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Broveens42:
Lol. Your explanation suits the narrative that biblical Jesus sacrificed his time, comfort etc for mankind.... If he sacrificed his life, then his body would have remained in the tomb as a remembrance.... But here is the thing; it won't go well with the resurrection narrative

Steep:
This nothing more than God's judgment upon the house of Israel.
Sometimes when God allow some things it can be said God did it.

Steep:
vs 29 is talking about guilty people that are sentenced to death.

Steep:
In the bible, whn action is thought to be done in the heart then it is assumed to be done.
For example anyone that listed after a woman in his heart has committed sin already as if he has done it.

Broveens42:
I think you have ran out of ideas recently
So the implication of your statement is that body and spirit is of same nature. Since according to your good book...the resurrected spirit was touched...(sense of feeling) ?
In one episode the women heard a voice not to touch biblical Jesus for He had not ascended to the father.
In another episode:
Luke 24
37 But they were terrified and frightened, and SUPPOSED they had seen a SPIRIT. 38.And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39. Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for A SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH and BONES as you see.
* The reporter of the text used the word "supposed" ...which means they didn't see a spirit..
* For A spirit does not .... ( This is an established statement/fact according to luke, if you distort this fact, you have made the biblical character a liar. Your narrative would be best suited for the statement; For spirit does not...
"For A spirit.. is statement of fact"
*So when you say his body transformed then you are the one actually reporting not Luke
Kai religion has even made people not to grab simple English on their own, even if this things are just stories..

MaxInDHouse:
Really appreciate your concern and the interest shown Sir.
First of all humans are flesh and the only way you can ascertain the existence of a living man is his physically ACTIVE body, this same goes with a spirit being. The only difference here is that spirits don't have physical bodies because they weren't created in the same form like humans who were made out of the dust of the earth {Genesis 2:7} but whenever they have an unfinished business with humans they make up a materialized body to become visible to humans. Genesis 6:1-4; 18:1-8; 32:24
Unlike all other descendants of Adam Jesus' life didn't begin here {John 8:23} he existed even before the creation of this earth {Proverbs 8:22-31; John 1:2; Colossians 1:15-16} after God transformed Jesus' life into an embryo in the womb of Mary and he was born as a human he knew he doesn't belong here so he never lived a normal human life of getting married and having children like everyone other person. So after completing his earthly assignment he said: "it is accomplished" {John 19:30} this is evidence that he is not just a man.
The body with which he lived as a man is what is needed to redeem mankind not the person himself so after those angels have carried off Jesus' body at his resurrection he returned to his former life as a spirit being only to appear and disappear at will just as the Israelites knew angels often do before then.
That's why in most cases his own disciples who knew him very well couldn't recognize him again not until he starts acting like the man they knew very well: Jesus! Luke 24:31
Before he died he said something that is very noteworthy:
“I still have many things to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. However, when that one comes, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak of his own initiative, but what he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things to come" John 16:12-13
His disciples are Jews who has been taken to other nations and gotten mixed thoughts about ghosts (living dead) from pagan nations so they can't fully understand what happened to their beloved master and friend Jesus, but after they became baptized with Holy Spirit {Act 2:1-4} the sacred secrets became clear to them and they found out that at his resurrection Jesus is no longer a human in the form of Adam but he has returned to his former life to become a life giving spirit! 1Corinthians 15:45
Thanks for your concern and may you have PEACE!

cornelboy:
I learnt something in the second to the last paragraph. So Jesus was not raised as a human with physical flesh but as a spirit being he was in heaven. That's perfect.

KnownUnknown:
Regardless if it’s judgement or whim, the passage shows OP that the god likes human sacrifice.

KnownUnknown:
Maybe if you were talking to someone of faith who interprets like you do, you would get away with the duplicitous nonsense but not in this instance. You can’t change the meaning of devoted within the same topic. Devoted to the lord doesn’t mean nor imply sentencing. Devoted means given to the god and the god said those people have to be killed.

KnownUnknown:
In that case, Abraham should have just imagined the whole sacrifice instead of bounding the boy and producing a knife…..He could have sacrificed Isaac in his heart,…,,,, or liver, or spleen.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is alive!

cornelboy:
I learnt something in the second to the last paragraph.
So Jesus was not raised as a human with physical flesh but as a spirit being he was in heaven. That's perfect.

MaxInDHouse:
Most Bible readers just follow the book without medication.
Any intelligent reader supposed to ask:

©Why is it that Jesus never walked with his friends again after his resurrection?
©Why is he appearing and disappearing at will without informing them?
©Where exactly is he staying after resurrection?
©Why did he ask John to take care of Mary before his death?

If Jesus actually resurrected with his physical body do you think things will change?

Well the simple answer is that Jesus' human body is the sacrifice required to redeem mankind so he can't take it back after offering it so the only thing he could do to assure his friends that he's now alive again is make up a body and do things he usually does in their presence. So to bid the earth farewell he asked all his friends to meet him and in their very eyes he was taken to heaven showing them that he is returning to his former abode! John 8:23

MaxInDHouse:
Most Bible readers just follow the book without medication.
Any intelligent reader supposed to ask:

©Why is it that Jesus never walked with his friends again after his resurrection?
©Why is he appearing and disappearing at will without informing them?
©Where exactly is he staying after resurrection?
©Why did he ask John to take care of Mary before his death?

If Jesus actually resurrected with his physical body do you think things will change?

Well the simple answer is that Jesus' human body is the sacrifice required to redeem mankind so he can't take it back after offering it so the only thing he could do to assure his friends that he's now alive again is make up a body and do things he usually does in their presence. So to bid the earth farewell he asked all his friends to meet him and in their very eyes he was taken to heaven showing them that he is returning to his former abode! John 8:23

sonmvayina:
No..he is just a figment of somebody's imagination..

Broveens42:
Even if we know this things are just stories, none of the highlighted proves the character wasn't flesh....
The only proof that he was flesh was stated by the character... any other thing you Wana make out of it would end up giving two contrasting accounts, which is a very popular thing in the good book anyway

Broveens42:
This questions you are asking me only proves that anybody can do his own conjectures to suit his own narrative of the good book...
I can decide to do this:
That Jesus on Earth was a spirit but was seen as flesh... because when they tried killing him before his time, He left unnoticed or what you call 'disappearing'...
So they put the spirit to death, thinking he was flesh. And the spirit died after crying out severally at night. The spirit resurrected to God because he was not flesh...but the spirit had to appear as flesh to be visible to doubting thomas.
But what I don't know is that I have given two accounts because the body at crucifixion was reported as gushing water and blood ..
Lol

MaxInDHouse:
Please try to be calm my friend, responding twice to a single post speaks a lot more than the words you're typing.


I have told you that Jesus is a spirit being as in higher intelligent beings whose understanding is far much more than that of mortal man. Isaiah 55:8-9
So when it comes to things beyond their grasp it's better to speak to them in the loudest tone: ACTION

According to his body language Jesus is no longer in the body they used to know!

Broveens42:
You are the one that need to calm down and get a grasp of what the character is saying...; that he can be touched because he is flesh at the resurrection... Please what's your tribe let me see if I can get an interpreter to translate in your language..

MaxInDHouse:
Language comes in two forms:
© Verbal
© Gesture

According to his SPEECHES (verbal language) Jesus is not a spirit he is human but according to his ACTIONS (gestures) Jesus has become a spirit person who can't sleep where others sleeps, not stay long with others rather he only appears and disappears at will.

Now imagine you're to translate what he's saying to someone from China who doesn't understand his language do you expect such a person to agree with your translation or what really happened!

Broveens42:
Lol you have made the biblical character a liar
He told his disciples... to handle him for a spirit does not have flesh and bones... The implication of that statement is that He had flesh...
Is English language so difficult to understand?
You have become more confused by religion that you make statements like: "raised as Human with a spirit not flesh ... "hahahaha

Broveens42:
Hahahaha... Religion ntooor

The implication of your statement is that Jesus is both human and spirit at resurrection in whatever ever gesture, but you have made that character a liar when he said he can be handled for A spirit has no flesh just AS THEY HAD SEEN..

It didn't say "I can be handled even though THE spirit..." ( which would exclusively be reserved for the character)

A spirit ( general fact that they cannot have dual nature as reported by Luke not you)

cornelboy:
If you don't understand ask questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Each person is entitled to his own PERSONAL opinion!

Steep:
you have nothing meaningful.

Steep:
Go and check the meaning and usage of devoted in the bible. You are an ignorant man.

Steep:
So, where in that verse show that God like human sacrifice?

KnownUnknown:
What, he could just have sacrificed Isaac in his heart since thinking something is the equivalent of doing it according to you imbec!les.

The story, with and without the angle of the lord, shows that Abraham returned to his servants by himself. You can say he killed Isaac “in his heart”.

KnownUnknown:
You are a brain addled simpleton. Your Jew god is written to be a bloodthirsty maniac but you perpetual slaves would rather deny the obvious.

KnownUnknown:
The part where he orders his people to sacrifice humans. You quoted my post, read it again. Lmao.

KnownUnknown:
The part where he orders his people to sacrifice humans. You quoted my post, read it again. Lmao.

Steep:
The burden is on you to prove your case. Where is it written that God demans human sacrifice from his people?

KnownUnknown:
@op, this jew god of yours is a certified maniac.

Ezekiel 20
25 So I gave them other statutes that were not good and laws through which they could not live; 26 I defiled them through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the Lord.’

Steep:
you think insults make you smart? Mr imbe_cile.
Seems you have an avarice to wisdom.