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Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by ade80: 2:54pm On Sep 11, 2022
Jokerman:
There's no secret rapture.

At the second coming, the rapture occurs.

The antichrist comes first. Believers world wide will face him.

Pre-Trib rapture is false and demonic

Actually, they are two different events. the olivet discourse the disciples who were Jews asked Jesus 3 questions
1. ““Tell us, when will these things be?
2. And what will be the sign of Your coming,
3. and of the end of the age?””

The disciples believed that after Jesus had come to restore the kingdom to the Jews, they had no revelation of the church and that’s why they were shocked when the gentiles received th baptism of the Holy Spirit.

They wanted to know when the temple would be destroyed, when Jesus will come and when this present age will end. And those where the things Jesus told them.
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Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by ade80: 3:07pm On Sep 11, 2022
“Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
‭‭I Corinthians‬ ‭15:51-52‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

The disciples wrote to Paul for clarification cause some people were saying that the day had passed and he had to write to them explaining that it hadn’t come yet.

“Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come.”
‭‭II Thessalonians‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by ade80: 3:09pm On Sep 11, 2022
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Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by Donaldomo(m): 4:08pm On Sep 11, 2022
The rapture is a part of the second coming of Jesus Christ. Yes, the event the Christians are expecting now is the second coming of Jesus which is going to be in TWO PHASES.
1. PHASE ONE is the rapture. This is the catching up of the saints, both dead and alive. 1st Cor. 15:51-54, 1st These. 4:15-17
2. Immediately after the rapture, the raptured saints and Christ will be in the sky for a period of 7 years for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Rev. 19:1-9. Meanwhile, during the 7 years period, those who were not raptured would be faced with a world's first unitary government. They'll be facing the worst firm of oppression ever known since the world began. Matt. 24 spoke about this.
3. After one and two above comes the second phase of the SECOND COMING. Here, a battle referred to as the battle of Armegeddon would take place. The devil would be defeated by the army of God championed/led by Jesus Christ himself.
4. Following the conquest of Satan is the Millenial Reign of Jesus. To span a thousand years. Other events to follow.
5. This period is gradually winding down towards the final judgement.
Key points
Let us ensure we are prepared to partake in the first flight - the RAPTURE.


pcagbaji:

Thank you for your contribution, if i may ask, after rapture take place what is the duration gap before the second coming of Jesus Christ, is it going to be immediate or a particular time interval or till when God decided ie no one knows when , and i still equally asked has the first event happened? i mean rapture has it taken place? how do we know if it has happened or not , are will waiting for the second event? ie the second coming of Jesus Christ , or both events
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by omolawale: 4:45pm On Sep 11, 2022
tctrills:
While some Christians believe that Christ is coming to earth again to reign, others believe that he would rapture the righteous to heaven and leave the wicked on earth. What does the bible say about both. Please use the scriptures.

You so-called "believers" are confused beings. There is no second coming of any folklore-- the whole purpose of religion is to control your mind and normalize your behavior to the whims of the elites. You and millions of other indoctrinated minds are wasting your time doing the bidding of the elites. I bet you find solace thinking that you'll fly with some fictional Shakespearean angels when you die.
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by tctrills: 4:55pm On Sep 11, 2022
omolawale:


You so-called "believers" are confused beings. There is no second coming of any folklore-- the whole purpose of religion is to control your mind and normalize your behavior to the whims of the elites. You and millions of other indoctrinated minds are wasting your time doing the bidding of the elites. I bet you find solace thinking that you'll fly with some fictional Shakespearean angels when you die.
Your opinion.
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by franklytrue(m): 5:41pm On Sep 11, 2022
Jokerman:


Sorry to disappointed you, Rapture happens at the second coming of Christ.

There's no special or secret rapture. Even Jesus warned against secrecy of his coming...

Do you understand that the Rapture is different from the second coming of Christ? The whole world will come to know the Rapture has happened when it does. It will not be a secret to them. More terrible events begin to unfold.

The Rapture is the snatching away of the saints into the air (2 Thess. 4:16-17) to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The marriage supper is not here on earth and it is not for the stipulated time of 1000 years. The Rapture is still during the tribulation. This also is shown in Rev. 14:13-16: one like unto the Son of man sat upon the cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand and he reaped [snatched up/raptured] the harvest (the matured/ready saints). Note saints in the bible are sometimes referred to as branches, trees, vine, etc. The ones who were not reaped were those left behind in the great tribulation to endure the wrath of God (vs 17-20)

The second coming of Christ is to the earth to reign a thousand years with the beheaded faithfuls. Satan is bound during that time but will be loosed out of his prison a little while and he gathers his army to fight against Christ and His saints but they are devoured and destroyed by fire (Rev. 19:11-21, ch 20:4-10).

The Rapture is a gathering of the Saints, the Bride, in the air in the middle of the tribulation to the marriage supper of the Lamb (John 14:1-3, Rev. 19:5-9), while the second coming of Christ is to the earth to reign for a 1000 years first after the great tribulation and the cleansing wrath of God of wickedness and the wicked in the earth which is during the second half of this seven years of tribulation and these are before the new heaven and the new earth of righteousness that will last forever (2 Pet. 3:1-14, Rev. 21:1-7).

Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by phemmyfour: 5:54pm On Sep 11, 2022
tctrills:

I did not make any cliams, I asked a question so I don't understand what you want.
The "you" there wasn't referring to you. I made a general statement
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by shinealight(m): 6:19pm On Sep 11, 2022
tctrills:
While some Christians believe that Christ is coming to earth again to reign, others believe that he would rapture the righteous to heaven and leave the wicked on earth. What does the bible say about both. Please use the scriptures.

Believe or not, the second coming has already taken place but not in the way Christians were expecting it!
Christ Himself gave us an inkling into how this would take place. Read John 16, 13-15 with insight and remember that the Jewish people were still asking for their messiah even while the Son of God was living in their midst in person!
It is always the case that these Happenings pass us by unnoticed….we have eyes but cannot see because most of us are not inwardly awake.
The Rapture will also happen similarly in a way that humanity least expects because it will not be in the manner of a dramatic earthly rising of dead physical bodies as is being suggested……it will be about ascension of mature and worthy souls into the spiritual realm which our physical eyes cannot behold! cool cool
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by aujile(m): 7:45pm On Sep 11, 2022
Jokerman:


My brother, St Paul said, Jesus will be the one to herald the rapture, isn't it?

From your post, it means Jesus will come back twice?
The rapture is the last sign that will happen before His second coming (the first time He came was to die for man)
Those raptured will come back with Him during the second coming to judge the world after seven years of the reign of anti-christ. Before that coming, other christians that maintained their grounds (not giving up their faith) will be rapture. That's what the other person quoted (the person that referred to both of them as the same.

NOTE: nairaland is not where you will be taught the word of God. Educate your spirit by buying christian materials and listening to teachers of God's word.

RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN ANY TIME
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by pcagbaji(m): 9:09pm On Sep 11, 2022
Donaldomo:
The rapture is a part of the second coming of Jesus Christ. Yes, the event the Christians are expecting now is the second coming of Jesus which is going to be in TWO PHASES.
1. PHASE ONE is the rapture. This is the catching up of the saints, both dead and alive. 1st Cor. 15:51-54, 1st These. 4:15-17
2. Immediately after the rapture, the raptured saints and Christ will be in the sky for a period of 7 years for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Rev. 19:1-9. Meanwhile, during the 7 years period, those who were not raptured would be faced with a world's first unitary government. They'll be facing the worst firm of oppression ever known since the world began. Matt. 24 spoke about this.
3. After one and two above comes the second phase of the SECOND COMING. Here, a battle referred to as the battle of Armegeddon would take place. The devil would be defeated by the army of God championed/led by Jesus Christ himself.
4. Following the conquest of Satan is the Millenial Reign of Jesus. To span a thousand years. Other events to follow.
5. This period is gradually winding down towards the final judgement.
Key points
Let us ensure we are prepared to partake in the first flight - the RAPTURE.
Thank you very much for enlightened me


Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by Jokerman(m): 9:39pm On Sep 11, 2022
John Darby really messed up the mind of people making them believe in a pre tribulation rapture.

The marriage supper of the Lamb comes up after God's destruction of Babylon thr Great and immediately before the defeat of the antichrist at Armageddon. Rev 19.

Who are those that will partake in the marriage supper?
Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Remember rapture is also the resurrection of the dead in Christ
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by Jokerman(m): 9:51pm On Sep 11, 2022
franklytrue:


Do you understand that the Rapture is different from the second coming of Christ? The whole world will come to know the Rapture has happened when it does. It will not be a secret to them. More terrible events begin to unfold.

The Rapture is the snatching away of the saints into the air (2 Thess. 4:16-17) to the marriage supper of the Lamb. The marriage supper is not here on earth and it is not for the stipulated time of 1000 years. The Rapture is still during the tribulation. This also is shown in Rev. 14:13-16: one like unto the Son of man sat upon the cloud with a sharp sickle in his hand and he reaped [snatched up/raptured] the harvest (the matured/ready saints). Note saints in the bible are sometimes referred to as branches, trees, vine, etc. The ones who were not reaped were those left behind in the great tribulation to endure the wrath of God (vs 17-20)

The second coming of Christ is to the earth to reign a thousand years with the beheaded faithfuls. Satan is bound during that time but will be loosed out of his prison a little while and he gathers his army to fight against Christ and His saints but they are devoured and destroyed by fire (Rev. 19:11-21, ch 20:4-10).

The Rapture is a gathering of the Saints, the Bride, in the air in the middle of the tribulation to the marriage supper of the Lamb (John 14:1-3, Rev. 19:5-9), while the second coming of Christ is to the earth to reign for a 1000 years first after the great tribulation and the cleansing wrath of God of wickedness and the wicked in the earth which is during the second half of this seven years of tribulation and these are before the new heaven and the new earth of righteousness that will last forever (2 Pet. 3:1-14, Rev. 21:1-7).

So what can you make of Jesus teachings?

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1. What tribulation is Christ talking about?

2. What is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven?

3. What trumpet will his angels sound?

4. What does that gathering of elect mean?
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by Jokerman(m): 9:53pm On Sep 11, 2022
aujile:

The rapture is the last sign that will happen before His second coming (the first time He came was to die for man)
Those raptured will come back with Him during the second coming to judge the world after seven years of the reign of anti-christ. Before that coming, other christians that maintained their grounds (not giving up their faith) will be rapture. That's what the other person quoted (the person that referred to both of them as the same.

NOTE: nairaland is not where you will be taught the word of God. Educate your spirit by buying christian materials and listening to teachers of God's word.

RAPTURE WILL HAPPEN ANY TIME


So what can you make of Jesus teachings?

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1. What tribulation is Christ talking about?

2. What is the sign of the Son of Man in heaven?

3. What trumpet will his angels sound?

4. What does that gathering of elect mean?

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Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by efficiencie(m): 10:36pm On Sep 11, 2022
tctrills:
While some Christians believe that Christ is coming to earth again to reign, others believe that he would rapture the righteous to heaven and leave the wicked on earth. What does the bible say about both. Please use the scriptures.

First there will be a falling away, a perversion and the son of perdition, the anti Christ, will be revealed (2 Thess 2:3).

Second, the anti Christ will make peace, fix global problems and bring prosperity to the world for three and half years (Daniel 12:7).

Third, in the next three and half years, the son of perdition will declare himself God (2 Thess 2:4), merge all governments in the world into ten governments ruled by ten of his appointees (Revelations 13: 1), seize control of the global economy in communist dictatorial style and entrench a level of surveillance/tracking the world has ever seen (Revelations 13: 16-17).

Fourth, all those who refuse to comply with global laws and refuse to get registered under the global identification system will be denied all basic amenities, be imprisoned and slaughtered in droves (Revelations 6:11, Revelations 13:17). During this period the 2 witnesses of God, who are already among us as I type, will be revealed to prophesy to a generation killing Christians and all dissidents (Revelations 11:3).

Fifth, the bloodshed will reach a tipping point at the end of the anti Christ's seven year reign. At this point most of the Christians who refuse the global identification scheme would have been slaughtered, few will be in hiding and a good number of so called Christians will yield to the anti Christ at the first taste of torture. Nevertheless Christ will never allow anyone be tested beyond their capacity and to do this Christ will call home those who stand firm despite the measure of torture they've received (Matthew 24:22)

Sixth, when all hope seems lost and when all true Christians are either taken or in hiding then shall the whole world see the "sign of the coming of the Son of man in the clouds" to resurrect His elect from the dead, resurrect the 2 witnesses after they have been dead for 2 days and the catch-up those that are alive, but are in hiding, to meet Him in the clouds (Matthew 24:29-30, 1 Thess 4:16-17) . You may not know the hour, you may not know the day but you can tell the period if you a Christian who is not asleep (1 Thess 5:1-7). There will be a sign. Heralded by the seventh trumpet. If you witness the death of the 2 witnesses know that the rapture is a few hours away.

Seventh, when they shall say peace and safety then shall sudden destruction come upon them (1 Thess 5: 3). With the elect gone and the 2 witnesses gone...then shall the vials of God's wrath be unleashed on the earth and its inhabitants. (Revelations 15:6-8, Revelations 16).

Eight, the devil and his anti Christ will be assembled to Armageddon to battle with the LORD of Hosts (Revelations 16:16) but the LORD of Hosts will crush them all and cast the beast and the false prophet into the lake of fire (Revelations 19:21).

Ninth, the LORD will send an angel to bind satan for a thousand years in the bottomless pit (Revelations 20:1-3). The saints will rule the earth with the LORD of Hosts for a thousand years (Revelations 20:4).

Tenth, after the millennial reign satan will be released to deceive the inhabitants of the earth again. satan will deceive some and rally them against the beloved city of the LORD but the LORD shall devour his army again (Revelations 20:7-9).

Eleventh, satan will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelations 20:10).

Twelfth, all souls will be judged by the LORD Jesus Christ. Some unto rewards others unto damnation (Revelation 20: 11-15).
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by iramure(m): 11:18pm On Sep 11, 2022
Naijanascam:


Really

No wonder they kept it in ruins because they hope to be taken up to the sky alive as Rapture........ while the whites are building and making their places more liveable.....
can't be better put
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by MrDebonair: 10:45am On Sep 12, 2022
Rapture ....dead in christ will rise up first to meet Jesus in the cloud. Then those of us who are still alive in christ will join up in the cloud to meet Jesus.

The 7 year period divided into 2 halves. First 3 and half years will seem peaceful, the the remaining 3 and half years is when the great tribulation starts. Worshipping the beast and cutting of heads of those who refuse to worship or take the mark of the beast.
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by OkCornel(m): 10:57am On Sep 12, 2022
A question for those who hold onto the pretribulation rapture doctrine.

Since you believe the coming of Jesus would be in two phases, can you show me where;

1. Jesus mentioned he’ll come twice in Matthew, Mark, Luke & or John?

2. Paul mentioned Jesus would come twice in any of his epistles to the various churches, or to Titus, Philemon and or Timothy?

3. Where Apostle John mentioned Jesus would come back twice in the book of Revelation and or where the first resurrection would be in two parts?


Each of these people should have spoken about the return of Christ twice in their various sermons and epistles.
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by OkCornel(m): 11:07am On Sep 12, 2022
On a side note, It’ll be nice to have threads on various eschatology topics.

To discuss the scriptures and interpretation. To discuss, not argue.

Jokerman, Ken4Christ, MaxinDHouse, SeraphEl.

Are you interested?
Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by Jokerman(m): 3:21pm On Sep 12, 2022
OkCornel:
On a side note, It’ll be nice to have threads on various eschatology topics.

To discuss the scriptures and interpretation. To discuss, not argue.

Jokerman, Ken4Christ, MaxinDHouse, SeraphEl.

Are you interested?

Yep

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Re: The Second Coming Of Christ Or The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:49pm On Sep 12, 2022
MindHacker9009:
Then you are calling Jesus Christ a liar when He said in:
Matthew 16:28
"Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom"

Also you are calling Jesus Christ a liar here when He said "Immediately after the distress of those days" and this was in Judea from 66AD to 70AD.
Matthew 24:29-30
29 “Immediately after the distress of those days “’the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth c will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

MaxInDHouse:


How long will you continue to deceive yourself?

Well Peter, James and John were the ones Jesus was referring to and the three of them saw him coming in his Kingdom even before Jesus died!

Six days later Jesus took Peter and James and his brother John along and led them up into a lofty mountain by themselves. And he was transfigured before them; his face shone as the sun, and his outer garments became brilliant as the light. And look! there appeared to them Moses and E·liʹjah conversing with him. Then Peter said to Jesus: “Lord, it is fine for us to be here. If you wish, I will erect three tents here, one for you, one for Moses, and one for E·liʹjah.” While he was still speaking, look! a bright cloud overshadowed them, and look! a voice out of the cloud said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” At hearing this, the disciples fell facedown and became very much afraid. Then Jesus came near, and touching them, he said: “Get up. Have no fear.” When they looked up, they saw no one but Jesus himself. As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead" Matthew 17:1-9

Did they see Jesus coming in his kingdom as God's chosen King who is the Messiah? smiley
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