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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by rayralph(m): 10:29pm On Sep 29, 2022
koonbey:


No. I preempted (correctly - you can see the post where someone talked about receiving the money into a U.S. account etc) that the instinct would be to find a workaround where the earnings don’t reflect as US income.

My warning is for anyone who might be tempted to do that - they must be aware that it would be classed as tax evasion in addition to violating visa terms, should they be found out.

Freelancers use exchangers to receive their legitimate dollar earnings in naira.

How’s that in violation of visa terms or tax evasion.

Sunak wife owns a company in india, is she paying tax to the UK government or is she under investigation for tax evasion ?

Ain’t you a bit overstretching this ?

I’m curious, wanna learn your POV
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by rayralph(m): 10:37pm On Sep 29, 2022
justwise:


Self employed is self employed it got nothing to do with who use your services

You clearly need to sit back and understand the subject matter before rushing to provide a response.

For instance, I have a poultry business in Nigeria. I can still manage it virtually from the UK (student visa)

Isn’t that self employed, how does it concern home office ?

Or if I sell my beat making skills to producers and artists in Nigeria.

The only thing here is to avoid offering service(s) to anyone in the UK

You cannot be self employed(run a business) IN the Uk

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by justwise(m): 10:54pm On Sep 29, 2022
rayralph:


Balance me real quick and be realistic

you expect an individual to ditch his naija based consulting business because he’s holding a UK student visa ?


This got nothing to do with your previous answer.

And to your question… yes I expect the person to read the student visa rules before considering coming to the UK to study and if the rule says no self employment then it’s what it’s else consider other countries with favourable student visa rules.

If you get caught working as self employed then your interpretation and excuses here hold no water.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by justwise(m): 10:59pm On Sep 29, 2022
rayralph:


You clearly need to sit back and understand the subject matter before rushing to provide a response.

For instance, I have a poultry business in Nigeria. I can still manage it virtually from the UK (student visa)

Isn’t that self employed, how does it concern home office ?

Or if I sell my beat making skills to producers and artists in Nigeria.

The only thing here is to avoid offering service(s) to anyone in the UK

You cannot be self employed(run a business) IN the Uk


No you need to understand this case from the beginning. Go back to read it because your analogy here is off point as it got nothing to do with freelancing
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by MonsieurVictor: 2:10am On Sep 30, 2022
Good day guys
Please what and what do I need to travel with to the UK. I need cash abi?
And qnybody in Bristol? the son of man urgently needeth a place to lay his head at least for the mean time till I get accomodation
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ayowolebami(f): 3:20am On Sep 30, 2022
koonbey:


Not permitted. Freelancing is classed as self-employment and self-employment is strictly prohibited while on student visa - https://www.gov.uk/student-visa .

As to whether they can link it to you - don't you intend to receive the money into your account? Be aware that if you intend to 'launder' the money - that's entering into tax evasion territory. Enough said.

Launder keh That's quite a strong word to use o haba!

Tax evasion is a criminal offense no doubt but this his case is nowhere near money laundering please.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ayowolebami(f): 3:29am On Sep 30, 2022
rayralph:


Bros, you Dey carry us go where we no know. Tax evasion and money laundering are entirely separate offenses. Stay on topic grin

Infact me sef shock as I see the offenses say ha! These kin offense no be small pikin crime o on top small freelance wage at the end of the month. grin
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ayowolebami(f): 3:48am On Sep 30, 2022
justwise:


No you need to understand this case from the beginning. Go back to read it because your analogy here is off point as it got nothing to do with freelancing

Technically, you both are correct and there's more than one perspective to the rule. Self employment from the angle of tax payment only addresses you offering the service anywhere and receiving the payment for service rendered in your UK account.

Also, being self employed while on student visa is NOT only because of tax the government prevents full time students from full time employment but also, so that their time is well invested in their studies and get rid of any distractions. There's a reason part time program isn't given Tier 4 visa.

Allowing self employment would enable distraction from studies for full time students and that would still violate the study visa rules eventually.

So las las, no be only cause of money/tax Dem no gree allow full time students work full time. Make everybody do whatever makes Dem sleep at night as regards to visa terms.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by WhiteWolfe: 4:10am On Sep 30, 2022
aragbaboy:


That's really fast. It's normally when you do super priority you get that kind of quick decision. Applied 4 weeks ago, standard application normally 6 - 8 weeks. Hoping to hear from them by October.

Within or outside Nigeria?

I got mine in 10 working days
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by directonpc(m): 6:33am On Sep 30, 2022
Santa2:


Most airlines keep it at 7kg for handluggage

Hi boss, saw your comment from an earlier time when you were applying for study in the UK. I guess you're there now. I have a few questions about studying in the UK that I'll like to run by you. Sending you a Nairaland DM. My number is also in my signature. Thank you!
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 8:33am On Sep 30, 2022
rayralph:


Freelancers use exchangers to receive their legitimate dollar earnings in naira.

How’s that in violation of visa terms or tax evasion.

Sunak wife owns a company in india, is she paying tax to the UK government or is she under investigation for tax evasion ?

Ain’t you a bit overstretching this ?

I’m curious, wanna learn your POV

If you operate a business or work while resident in the UK but use exchangers or any other means to reroute the money so the government doesn't "see" the money coming into your account, that's tax evasion, especially when done in contravention of the express prohibition against self-employment while on a student visa.

It's not my opinion. It's law. That it seems like 'overstretching' to you doesn't change that. Freelancers are required to register with HMRC and file tax returns at the end of each tax year.

I'm not attempting to convince anyone of anything though - the point is to make people aware of points they might not have averred their minds to. To avoid "had I known."

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 8:36am On Sep 30, 2022
Ayowolebami:


Launder keh That's quite a strong word to use o haba!

Tax evasion is a criminal offense no doubt but this his case is nowhere near money laundering please.

Okay. In your opinion, re-routing money to disguise its origin in order to evade prohibitions against operating a business is what?


To be clear - there's a reason why I put 'launder' in quotes originally. If you get caught it's the tax charges that they'll focus on. That doesn't change the nature of the activity though.

My last word on this is that people should feel free to take any approach they like depending on their risk tolerance.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 8:44am On Sep 30, 2022
rayralph:


You clearly need to sit back and understand the subject matter before rushing to provide a response.

For instance, I have a poultry business in Nigeria. I can still manage it virtually from the UK (student visa)

Isn’t that self employed, how does it concern home office ?

Or if I sell my beat making skills to producers and artists in Nigeria.

The only thing here is to avoid offering service(s) to anyone in the UK

You cannot be self employed(run a business) IN the Uk


You're working very hard to convince yourself.

I strongly recommend that you conduct a lot more research because your idea that offering services to people in the UK has anything to do with whether you're classed as operating a business in the UK for VISA/tax purposes is completely and utterly wrong.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ayowolebami(f): 9:47am On Sep 30, 2022
koonbey:


Okay. In your opinion, re-routing money to disguise its origin in order to evade prohibitions against operating a business is what?


To be clear - there's a reason why I put 'launder' in quotes originally. If you get caught it's the tax charges that they'll focus on. That doesn't change the nature of the activity though.

My last word on this is that people should feel free to take any approach they like depending on their risk tolerance.

It's not "My opinion" but rather the true meaning of the word launder. The source of the money being "illegal/illicit" is the main reason why it needs to be cleansed and reintroduced into the system like legit money. It's what I did for years and even globally certified in so calling people's legit sweat laundering just cause they tried to circumvent a particular rule is blowing it out of proportion.

Money laundering is a big offense and no be kwe kwe freelance job money Dem dey talk about. He didn't do drugs or rob people of their sweat like hushpuppy... He worked for it...

There's a HUGE difference!

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Nobody: 10:34am On Sep 30, 2022
Ayowolebami:


It's not "My opinion" but rather the true meaning of the word launder. The source of the money being "illegal/illicit" is the main reason why it needs to be cleansed and reintroduced into the system like legit money. It's what I did for years and even globally certified in so calling people's legit sweat laundering just cause they tried to circumvent a particular rule is blowing it out of proportion.

Money laundering is a big offense and no be kwe kwe freelance job money Dem dey talk about. He didn't do drugs or rob people of their sweat like hushpuppy... He worked for it...

There's a HUGE difference!
Okay, let's break it down: You're saying money laundering is reintroducing illegally-obtained money into the system as clean, right?

So the facts are:1. There's a prohibition against running a business or being self employed - The person is saying they want to circumvent that.
2. They want to circumvent by rerouting the money so it doesn't seem that they are working - which would constitute tax evasion and is definitely a crime because they won't make a tax declaration as legally required.

Do you agree both of those actions taken together satisfy your stipulation that there must be a crime?

Okay, so 3. They want to then reintroduce the money into the UK financial system so they can spend it as usual, right? So, presumably, they'll use exchangers to make it seem as if the money is a gift or from their savings or from a business owned outside the UK, right?

So what do you call that process, pray tell?

And I'm curious - 'globally certified'? Do you have a CAMS or ICA certification? If you do, you'll know that the amount in question is irrelevant to the nature of the actions -all it'll do is play a part in the decision of whether to prosecute.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by rayralph(m): 11:17am On Sep 30, 2022
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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by TheGuyFromHR: 12:54pm On Sep 30, 2022
koonbey:


If you operate a business or work while resident in the UK but use exchangers or any other means to reroute the money so the government doesn't "see" the money coming into your account, that's tax evasion, especially when done in contravention of the express prohibition against self-employment while on a student visa.

It's not my opinion. It's law. That it seems like 'overstretching' to you doesn't change that. Freelancers are required to register with HMRC and file tax returns at the end of each tax year.

I'm not attempting to convince anyone of anything though - the point is to make people aware of points they might not have averred their minds to. To avoid "had I known."

All the above is correct.
Also, as a freelancer, from a tax law standpoint, if you earn less than 1,000 pounds from freelancing in a year there's no need to declare it to HMRC and pay tax.

All those who live in the UK are subject to its tax laws, except where you declare non-dom status and pay the fee for that (which is what Sunak's wife did, she pays the government about 30k a year for the privilege of not paying tax in the UK). When you opened a bank account in the UK, you will have declared your tax residence as the UK, so anyone not reporting income is already in violation.

This is in addition to breaching the terms of a student visa by being self-employed during full-time study.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Solumtoya: 1:11pm On Sep 30, 2022
Phil46:


Hello,

Please, did you pay your University of Essex fees through Western Union Business Solutions? If yes, how did you go about it, please? I am trying to figure out how to use it with Form A. Thanks

Check if they have the Flywire option. Most schools do and you can use Form A for Flywire
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by donald197: 1:24pm On Sep 30, 2022
Hi. Pls when did you pay for the passport? I am trying to pay for renewal but prompt I got was to first upload my credit card , bank statement and ID first. Did you experience similar issue?
domin8:
To add to this, I was at the high commission last Friday to renew my Son's passport. Just ensure you get there early enough (8 - 8:30am) before they open and join the queue. They currently use a tally number system so it's first come first enter irrespective of your appointment time. I got in 8:30am and we left 12pm. We had all our documents though and didn't need to tip anybody, hope this helps.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Santa2: 1:36pm On Sep 30, 2022
donald197:
Hi. Pls when did you pay for the passport? I am trying to pay for renewal but prompt I got was to first upload my credit card , bank statement and ID first. Did you experience similar issue?

I renewed last night, I didnt get that prompt. it went through seamlessly
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Phil46: 2:22pm On Sep 30, 2022
Solumtoya:


Check if they have the Flywire option. Most schools do and you can use Form A for Flywire

Alright, I will. Thank you very much.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by ramafama: 3:03pm On Sep 30, 2022
Hello All

I have some questions I would appreciate answers to. I have just done biometrics for my Nigerian passport renewal, hopefully it is sent to me soon but if not, I would need to go to Lagos with my UK passport and expired Nigerian passport. Does anyone know if Virgin would let me board? I called them and they were not helpful at all.
Does anyone have any experience of flying Virgin with an expired Nigerian passport and a UK passport?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by brendiva: 6:31pm On Sep 30, 2022
Hello everyone!

I'm trying to register for the EU pre settlement scheme in the UK but I'm unable to scan my documents using the eu exit id application.

Does anyone know how to register as a family member for the pre settlement scheme using a non eu passport?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by Ayowolebami(f): 7:00pm On Sep 30, 2022
koonbey:

Okay, let's break it down: You're saying money laundering is reintroducing illegally-obtained money into the system as clean, right?

So the facts are:1. There's a prohibition against running a business or being self employed - The person is saying they want to circumvent that.
2. They want to circumvent by rerouting the money so it doesn't seem that they are working - which would constitute tax evasion and is definitely a crime because they won't make a tax declaration as legally required.

Do you agree both of those actions taken together satisfy your stipulation that there must be a crime?

Okay, so 3. They want to then reintroduce the money into the UK financial system so they can spend it as usual, right? So, presumably, they'll use exchangers to make it seem as if the money is a gift or from their savings or from a business owned outside the UK, right?

So what do you call that process, pray tell?

And I'm curious - 'globally certified'? Do you have a CAMS or ICA certification? If you do, you'll know that the amount in question is irrelevant to the nature of the actions -all it'll do is play a part in the decision of whether to prosecute.

YES I have CAMS and the context of your definition of illegal funds doesn't apply to this (not even about the amount at this point) but I'm done arguing with you cause you wanna be right so bad (which I'm not even arguing with you over ) but simply pointing out your choice of word for the offense is simply INCORRECT. I rest my case at this juncture

AML (Money laundering) and TFC (Terrorist Financing) have one major difference and it's the SOURCE of funds. When they say source of funds is illegal, it simply means money was gotten from an illegal source or shady business deal or dirty money like drug money NOT wages paid legally for a job done.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by donald197: 7:02pm On Sep 30, 2022
Can you share the link you used pls. Maybe I went to the wrong website.
Santa2:


I renewed last night, I didnt get that prompt. it went through seamlessly
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by zxxtx: 8:22pm On Sep 30, 2022
Please is there any app I can use to call Naija or how can I call Naija. Calling directly from my EE is expensive
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by hustla(m): 8:40pm On Sep 30, 2022
zxxtx:
Please is there any app I can use to call Naija or how can I call Naija. Calling directly from my EE is expensive

Rebtel
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by kode12: 9:11pm On Sep 30, 2022
Ayowolebami:


YES I have CAMS and the context of your definition of illegal funds doesn't apply to this (not even about the amount at this point) but I'm done arguing with you cause you wanna be right so bad (which I'm not even arguing with you over ) but simply pointing out your choice of word for the offense is simply INCORRECT. I rest my case at this juncture

AML (Money laundering) and TFC (Terrorist Financing) have one major difference and it's the SOURCE of funds. When they say source of funds is illegal, it simply means money was gotten from an illegal source or shady business deal or dirty money like drug money NOT wages paid legally for a job done.

But is the job legal under UK law?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by wallg123: 9:42pm On Sep 30, 2022
ramafama:
Hello All

I have some questions I would appreciate answers to. I have just done biometrics for my Nigerian passport renewal, hopefully it is sent to me soon but if not, I would need to go to Lagos with my UK passport and expired Nigerian passport. Does anyone know if Virgin would let me board? I called them and they were not helpful at all.
Does anyone have any experience of flying Virgin with an expired Nigerian passport and a UK passport?
I saw it somewhere it was stated. That You can board a flight heading to Nigeria with your expired Nigerian passport.It’s your home country. I’ll find the publication and post in a minute
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by sammydoe: 9:47pm On Sep 30, 2022
Go to wazobia on old Kent road and ask for a job or enish restaurant

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