UyaiIncomparabl:
Upbringing. Now, I am an atheist.

PlayMaker needs to see this.

Athemisia:

From upbringing to conviction.
But now I lost interest in it. Still in search of a religion that will give me that inner solace.

you are not alone
once your logical clock start tickling your religious clock stops.

Wilddove:
before then were you neutral?

I didn't believe in God since I had no proof to go off of. But I was intrigued by the idea of a God that could answer all things.

Nigeria Girls Are Useless

Grammaton:
You may have become a Christian because you came from a religious family or you became a Christian because you had the conviction or that's what your friends made you believe. But how did you really become a Christian?

By conviction. I was already modest but I just needed to understand and find God for myself. It's been a wholesome journey so far.
It's not been easy but I'm proud of me

Pray4naija:

Sir I'm more Christ-like than many clergymen,
I believed Christianity is all about humanity that's reason I don't discriminate no matter your religion affiliation I believe Christianity is all about helping humanity

You are Wrong Bro!

Christianity is
1. First about your salvation: getting your name in the book of life
2. Secondly, living your new life according to the rules of God's kingdom (Righteousness, Love for God and Man, Fruit of the Spirit)
3. Thirdly, service to God, His Church (members) and Humanity through your spiritual gifts and talents.
4. Fourthly, Christian duty of Preaching, Healing and Deliverance of the oppressed!

The above are the core essence of Christianity!

Myer:


Every religious person holds this view- including Muslims, traditionals etc.

And I do not know any of them who have confessed to having all that they ever wanted.

Starz825:

I just wish I could give you a hug

Nobody was born a Christian..
Even though you were born in a Christian family or your dad is a pastor doesn't matter until you give and surrender your own life to Christ....then you become a Christian...

I became a Christian through conviction too..
Having a personal encounter with the Lord is the best

I hug you too!

The bold is The Only Way which is why we see the words "if thou would walk in the way of thy father, David" 1 Kings 9:4

Honchoslim16:

You don't need to argue with that Crunchy a$$ Dtruthspeaker..........all he types on here are gibberish and he feels he's making a whole lotta sense.
People like him just try to look for someone to vent anger and frustrations on.

He's always been like that on Nairaland!
Just ignore him and let your a$$ have peace!

Translation! "Ignore him so that we can continue comforting each other with the lies we like to see"!

Please what do you believe ?

Kobojunkie:
Personal research, and trials!

I researched different religious ideas and tried all I could until God Himself responded.

Dtruthspeaker:


Translation! "Ignore him so that we can continue comforting each other with the lies we like to see"!

Shittin' on these n!ggas be my hobby
I know they mad wishin' they had finished me entirely

SeniorMan715:
Please what do you believe ?

I believe in Jesus Christ.

As the Son of God?

Kobojunkie:
I believe in Jesus Christ.

SeniorMan715:
How can i make the truth my own and be convince is the truth.

Start by unloading yourself of everything you have ever believed about God and the things of God. Become like a child who needs to learn everything about God and His Truth for the very first time ever, and prepare yourself to do whatever He asks of you without needing to apply your own delusions to what He says and be committed to finding Him no matter what it takes.

Using basic human language comprehension as your own skill and tool, pick up a copy of scripture, you can even start with apocryphal text, consume that written of Him, making sure to separate that which is He from that which are instead the musings of the minds of men.

Which church do you attend?

Kobojunkie:
Start by unloading yourself of everything you have ever believed about God and the things of God. Become like a child who needs to learn everything about God and His Truth for the very first time ever, and prepare yourself to do whatever He asks of you without needing to apply your own delusions to what He says and be committed to finding Him no matter what it takes.

Using basic human language comprehension as your own skill and tool, pick up a copy of scripture, you can even start with apocryphal text, consume that written of Him, making sure to separate that which is He from that which are instead the musings of the minds of men.

SeniorMan715:
Which church do you attend?

I am not a Churchian.

So what are you ?

Kobojunkie:
I am not a Churchian.

SeniorMan715:
So what are you ?

I believe in Jesus Christ.

SeniorMan715:
As the Son of God?

Yes, Jesus Christ is God, and no, this is not some endorsement of the trinity doctrine which is of men, lies, and not of God, who instead warned His followers not to submit themselves to the doctrines and traditions of men(including their churches) using His name.

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As is written in Scripture, Jesus Christ is God, and God(the Father) is God, but God(the Father) is not Jesus Christ. This, is a logical case of A is B but B is not A. And this is what is clearly explained in all of scripture to all those who will KNOW the Truth of God from the lies of men.

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In Scripture, beginning in the Old Testament, we learn the following of God :
▪︎ God is God of Wrath
▪︎ God is God of Laws
▪︎ God is Good/Righteous
▪︎ God is Faithful
▪︎ God is Love
▪︎ God is True (Word)
▪︎ God is Life
▪︎ All Wisdom, Knowledge, and Understanding are of God
.....
And of Jesus Christ, we are informed by Him, particularly in John 14 vs 6, that He is
▪︎ God's Truth (Word)
▪︎ God's Life
▪︎ God's Law (one of many) aka The Way


So as indicated, Jesus Christ is born from some of the very same essences that is God(Father) - they are both in synch as far as that which they share. And this explains much of what Jesus Christ said of His relationship to the Father
■ The Father is greater than He, Jesus Christ,
■ He, Jesus Christ, is in the Father, and the Father is in Him(Jesus Christ),
■ All that Jesus Christ gives to you, His follower, is that which the Father gives Him,
■ He, Jesus Christ does only that which His Father bids Him do,
■ He, Jesus Christ cannot do anything apart from the Father,
■ He, Jesus Christ said," “My Father never stops working, and so I work too.”
■ He, Jesus Christ also said, “I assure you that the Son can do nothing alone. He does only what he sees his Father doing. The Son does the same things that the Father does. The Father loves the Son and shows him everything he does."
....etc.

So, Jesus Christ is God. However, since Jesus Christ doesn't possess all of the essences of God inside of Him, God isn't Jesus Christ.

Athemisia:

From upbringing to conviction.
But now I lost interest in it. Still in search of a religion that will give me that inner solace.

Trust me, when you bombard heaven with unrelenting prayers like "O Lord, show me myself"... or "O Lord, show me deep and secret things concerning my life".. or "O Lord, reveal your will "... and add fasting.. do those prayers midnight till 1 of 2 am relentlessly.. for say 21 days.. heaven will talk back.. then you'll know that all the ice cream Christianity around you isn't the real thjng.. there is power available to the serious and disciplined Christian and God wants to commune with such.. not lazy bones.. Jesus is real.. the stories in the bible aren't fables.. all the miracles aren't concocted.. all the disciples except John were martyred because they insisted they saw the risen Christ.. you think they chose to die for a lie
If you leave Christianity you have robbed yourself of the only way to God.. I am not talking religion.. I am talking reality. I go to mfm and I can tell you for sure that if you bombard heaven with the right prayers and you stay away from sin, the miraculous and supernatural will be a daily occurrence in your life. Your dream life will receive divine and angelic visitation.. your spiritual ears and eyes will pop open etc.. of course forces of darkness will resist anyone trying to establish communication channels with heaven so you'll need to fight.. Shalom

sonofElElyon:
■. Trust me, when you bombard heaven with unrelenting prayers like "O Lord, show me myself"... or "O Lord, show me deep and secret things concerning my life".. or "O Lord, reveal your will "... and add fasting.. do those prayers midnight till 1 of 2 am relentlessly.. for say 21 days.. heaven will talk back.. then you'll know that all the ice cream Christianity around you isn't the real thjng.. there is power available to the serious and disciplined Christian and God wants to commune with such.. not lazy bones.. Jesus is real.. the stories in the bible aren't fables.. all the miracles aren't concocted.. all the disciples except John were martyred because they insisted they saw the risen Christ.. you think they chose to die for a lie
■ If you leave Christianity you have robbed yourself of the only way to God.. I am not talking religion.. I am talking reality.
■ I go to mfm and I can tell you for sure that if you bombard heaven with the right prayers and you stay away from sin, the miraculous and supernatural will be a daily occurrence in your life. Your dream life will receive divine and angelic visitation.. your spiritual ears and eyes will pop open etc.. of course forces of darkness will resist anyone trying to establish communication channels with heaven so you'll need to fight.. Shalom

1. Stop using the name of Jesus Christ to sell what are nothing but religious rituals that are in no way connected to Him.
2. But everything you have stated here is born of exactly that, religion, and not Jesus Christ.
3. Oh, now I see the source of these delusions you spew. Look, your religion is not different from babalawo magic abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop using the name of Jesus Christ to sell what are nothing but religious rituals that are in no way connected to Him.
2. But everything you have stated here is born of exactly that, religion, and not Jesus Christ.
3. Oh, now I see the source of these delusions you spew. Look, your religion is not different from babalawo magic abeg!

Wholesale condemnation and generalisation without addressing specific issues raised. You are simply in denial.. and lazy too. And don't want to discipline yourself in order to receive revelation of the truth. You have chosen your path.. good luck to you. Obviously you wish to hold on tenaciously to your way of life and thinking at the expense of Truth discovery,. I have simply said be intentional and serious in seeking and praying for revelation.. then live in the light of the revelation.. but it appears you have chosen your own subjective truth.
Pliny, Suetonius, Josephus... All ancient historians who were not Christians confirmed that Jesus was a historical figure and documented all the persecution of Christians during the early church.
Also go study the accurate prophecies of old testament prophets regarding coming of Christ.. Daniel for example prophesied the very years of the revealing and crucifixion of Christ... Go study the 70 weeks of years prophecy of Daniel. David in Psalms prophesied accurately the crucifixion scene... Isaiah was the Messianic prophet with tonnes of accurate Jesus prophecies... Please study objectively.. the Bible says seek and ye shall find.. seek the truth intentionally via prayers

sonofElElyon:
■Wholesale condemnation without addressing specific issues raised. You are simply in denial.. and lazy too. And don't want to discipline yourself in order to receive revelation of the truth.
■You have chosen your path.. good luck to you. Obviously you wish to hold on tenaciously to your way of life and thinking at the expense of Truth discovery,.
■I have simply said be intentional and serious in seeking and praying for revelation.. then live in the light of the revelation.. but it appears you have chosen your own subjective truth

1. Address what issue? Denial of what exactly? Denial? Laziness? That pretty much explains your offering up what amounts to pagan rituals using the name of Jesus Christ.
2. This isn't about paths but about your attempts to pass off fake goods using the name of Jesus Christ. You were offering up Babalawo rituals to him by hiding them behind the name Jesus Christ, last I checked that is AntiChrist — against Jesus Christ's very teachings and commandments to His followers.
3. The only way to be intentional and serious with Jesus Christ is to live one's life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ — God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. Asking people to fast 21 days, seeking to find truth in dreams and so-called revelations, dancing on their toes, praying 30 days and nights, etc., are rituals that have nothing to do with any of what Jesus Christ taught His followers of how to be intentional and serious in the Kingdom of God.

The Truth of God— Jesus Christ — is everlasting meaning this no subjection where His Truth is concerned. You can't pick and choose your own truth as far as Jesus Christ is concerned. Either you are for Him — obeying His teachings and His commandments —or you are against Him, trying to use His name to sell what are lies — doctrines and traditions of men and their many churches and denominations.

Kobojunkie:
1. Address what issue? Denial of what exactly? Denial? Laziness? That pretty much explains your offering up what amounts to pagan rituals using the name of Jesus Christ.
2. This isn't about paths but about your attempts to pass off fake goods using the name of Jesus Christ. You were offering up Babalawo rituals to him by hiding them behind the name Jesus Christ, last I checked that is AntiChrist — against Jesus Christ's very teachings and commandments to His followers.
3. The only way to be intentional and serious with Jesus Christ is to live one's life in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ — God's Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God. Asking people to fast 21 days, seeking to find truth in dreams and so-called revelations, dancing on their toes, praying 30 days and nights, etc., are rituals that have nothing to do with any of what Jesus Christ taught His followers of how to be intentional and serious in the Kingdom of God.

The Truth of God— Jesus Christ — is everlasting meaning this no subjection where His Truth is concerned. You can't pick and choose your own truth as far as Jesus Christ is concerned. Either you are for Him — obeying His teachings and His commandments —or you are against Him, trying to use His name to sell what are lies — doctrines and traditions of men and their many churches and denominations.

My post was directed to the person who said he had lost faith in Christianity.. and I said ask God to reveal himself. didn't Christ pray to seek the will of His Father? Didn't he carry out midnight prayer? Also Paul and Silas. Didn't he say when he has left his disciples would have to fast? Didn't the Bible say we wrestle not against flesh and blood? Didn't God sehd angels to Joseph in his dream? Didn't God speak to Solomon in his dream? You simply have no point.. Jesus didn't die for us to be lukewarm (he says he will vomit lukewarm Christians (book of revelation).. he demands that we be hot... But you have free will of course.. your choice

sonofElElyon:
■My post was directed to the person who said he had lost faith in Christianity.. and I said ask God to reveal himself.
■didn't Christ pray to seek the will of His Father? Didn't he carry out midnight prayer?
■Didn't he say when the has has left his disciples would have to fast?
■Didn't the Bible say we wrestle not against flesh and blood?
■Didn't God sehd angels to Joseph in his dream?
■Didn't God speak to Solomon in his dream?
■You simply have no point.. Jesus didn't die for us to be lukewarm (he says he will vomit lukewarm Christians (book of revelation).. he demands that we be hot... But you have free will of course.. your choice

1. It is better to lose Religion — that which God warned are of the doctrines and delusions of men and there churches — than to continue clinging blindly to it pretending that by doing so you do God some sort of favor.

2. Seek the Will of His Father? Nope, that was not Jesus Christ seeking "the Will of the Father". He, Jesus Christ, already knew the Will of the Father — there was nothing to seek regarding that. He instead asked the Father to cause the cup to pass Him if He, the Father, will allow it - Luke 22 vs 39 - 46. Notice the one thing is not the other thing??

3. The kind of fasting Jesus Christ prescribed has nothing to do with your pagan starvation-diet type of fasting. No, the fasting which God Himself commands is the doing of works of righteousness as explained in Isaiah 68 vs 6 - 13. God never asked anyone to fast in order to receive answers from Him. He does not benefit from you starving yourselves of food.

4. Guess what? Those who belong to Jesus Christ were told by Jesus Christ that He has given them more power than Satan has, in addition to giving them His very own peace through all of their suffering and tribulations. What this means is that instead of battles/wars, they have peace of God — the everlasting kind to comfort and keep them in joy through it all.

5. But Jesus Christ explained to His follower that the only Truths and visions that will be given them by the Helper —the very same Spirit of Truth who lives inside of Jesus Christ —are those that concern Him, Jesus Christ, and His Kingdom - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15. So, if Joseph's dream history is what you are after, you can't get that in Jesus Christ.

6. Yes, you don't even need to dream for God to speak to you in Jesus Christ. I mean according to Jesus Christ, He and the Father will make their home inside of all those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments meaning you will have God's live audience with you 24/7 no matter where you are - John 14 vs 15 - 20. However, if private revelations are what you seek, Jesus Christ already explained that none of that is available to you through Him, and this is from over 2000 years ago - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15.

7. Jesus Christ didn't die so you can now sell what are fraudulent ideas using His name. If you would ever bother to read through the Gospels of yourself, maybe you would discover His truth from the many lies you have chosen to settle with instead. But something tells me that your major goal isn't Jesus Christ at all but to continue peddling what are obvious lies using His name.

Isobug:
Conviction...... I am true testimony of the presence of a living God being in the Church

Really? How so? How are you a testimony of God's presence in your church?

Kobojunkie:
1. It is better to lose Religion — that which God warned are of the doctrines and delusions of men and there churches — than to continue clinging blindly to it pretending that by doing so you do God some sort of favor.

2. Seek the Will of His Father? Nope, that was not Jesus Christ seeking "the Will of the Father". He, Jesus Christ, already knew the Will of the Father — there was nothing to seek regarding that. He instead asked the Father to cause the cup to pass Him if He, the Father, will allow it - Luke 22 vs 39 - 46. Notice the one thing is not the other thing??

3. The kind of fasting Jesus Christ prescribed has nothing to do with your pagan starvation-diet type of fasting. No, the fasting which God Himself commands is the doing of works of righteousness as explained in Isaiah 68 vs 6 - 13. God never asked anyone to fast in order to receive answers from Him. He does not benefit from you starving yourselves of food.

4. Guess what? Those who belong to Jesus Christ were told by Jesus Christ that He has given them more power than Satan has, in addition to giving them His very own peace through all of their suffering and tribulations. What this means is that instead of battles/wars, they have peace of God — the everlasting kind to comfort and keep them in joy through it all.

5. But Jesus Christ explained to His follower that the only Truths and visions that will be given them by the Helper —the very same Spirit of Truth who lives inside of Jesus Christ —are those that concern Him, Jesus Christ, and His Kingdom - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15. So, if Joseph's dream history is what you are after, you can't get that in Jesus Christ.

6. Yes, you don't even need to dream for God to speak to you in Jesus Christ. I mean according to Jesus Christ, He and the Father will make their home inside of all those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments meaning you will have God's live audience with you 24/7 no matter where you are - John 14 vs 15 - 20. However, if private revelations are what you seek, Jesus Christ already explained that none of that is available to you through Him, and this is from over 2000 years ago - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15.

7. Jesus Christ didn't die so you can now sell what are fraudulent ideas using His name. If you would ever bother to read through the Gospels of yourself, maybe you would discover His truth from the many lies you have chosen to settle with instead. But something tells me that your major goal isn't Jesus Christ at all but to continue peddling what are obvious lies using His name.

Good luck to you. Jesus prayed before choosing the 12: disciples ! Saying He already knew the will of His Father and therefore needed not to pray is simply ridiculous... What is prayer if not communication with God Even the Bible tells us to pray without ceasing.. Even Jesus said men ought always to pray and not to faint.. but you are simply lazy.. even Paul fasted. Paul and Silas prayed in the midnight.. The Kingdom of God is not only in word but in power but people like you have made the church powerless because of your laziness.. Jesus himself told the disciples when they couldn't cast out a demon that "this kind goeth not out except by prayer and fasting"... You can continue to water down the word of God so you can lead a laid back lazy powerless Christian Life.. your choice. The Bible says be sober be vigilant for your adversary the devil roams about seeking whom to devour. The Bible also says we wrestle not against flesh and blood.. again it says be (continually) filled with the Holy Spirit.. prayer is meant to be two way communication but most people hardly hear from God through dreams vision still small voice audible voice angelic visitation (in dreams and physical).. The Holy Spirit is now on Earth and ought to dwell fully in the believer guiding him and empowering him.. Jesus said ii send you another comforter. The Father said in the last days I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young and old men shall dream and see visions. This isn't happening to most christians because of sin laziness lack of hunger and thirst for God. David said as the deer panteth for the waters so my soul longeth after thee. Jesus said he would vomit lukewarm Christians out of his mouth. Shalom

CONVICTION!

Kobojunkie:
1. It is better to lose Religion — that which God warned are of the doctrines and delusions of men and there churches — than to continue clinging blindly to it pretending that by doing so you do God some sort of favor.

2. Seek the Will of His Father? Nope, that was not Jesus Christ seeking "the Will of the Father". He, Jesus Christ, already knew the Will of the Father — there was nothing to seek regarding that. He instead asked the Father to cause the cup to pass Him if He, the Father, will allow it - Luke 22 vs 39 - 46. Notice the one thing is not the other thing??

3. The kind of fasting Jesus Christ prescribed has nothing to do with your pagan starvation-diet type of fasting. No, the fasting which God Himself commands is the doing of works of righteousness as explained in Isaiah 68 vs 6 - 13. God never asked anyone to fast in order to receive answers from Him. He does not benefit from you starving yourselves of food.

4. Guess what? Those who belong to Jesus Christ were told by Jesus Christ that He has given them more power than Satan has, in addition to giving them His very own peace through all of their suffering and tribulations. What this means is that instead of battles/wars, they have peace of God — the everlasting kind to comfort and keep them in joy through it all.

5. But Jesus Christ explained to His follower that the only Truths and visions that will be given them by the Helper —the very same Spirit of Truth who lives inside of Jesus Christ —are those that concern Him, Jesus Christ, and His Kingdom - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15. So, if Joseph's dream history is what you are after, you can't get that in Jesus Christ.

6. Yes, you don't even need to dream for God to speak to you in Jesus Christ. I mean according to Jesus Christ, He and the Father will make their home inside of all those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments meaning you will have God's live audience with you 24/7 no matter where you are - John 14 vs 15 - 20. However, if private revelations are what you seek, Jesus Christ already explained that none of that is available to you through Him, and this is from over 2000 years ago - John 14vs 25 - 27 & John 15 vs 25 - 26 & John 16 vs 4 - 15.

7. Jesus Christ didn't die so you can now sell what are fraudulent ideas using His name. If you would ever bother to read through the Gospels of yourself, maybe you would discover His truth from the many lies you have chosen to settle with instead. But something tells me that your major goal isn't Jesus Christ at all but to continue peddling what are obvious lies using His name.

Also let's not forget Jesus said greater works than mine shall ye do because I go to the Father.. with an attitude like yours there would be zero miracles signs and wonders !!!

sonofElElyon:
■Good luck to you. Jesus prayed before choosing the 12: disciples ! Saying He already knew the will of His Father and therefore needed not to pray is simply ridiculous...
■What is prayer if not communication with God Even the Bible tells us to pray without ceasing.. Even Jesus said men ought always to pray and not to faint.. but you are simply lazy.. even Paul fasted. Paul and Silas prayed in the midnight.. The Kingdom of God is not only in word but in power but people like you have made the church powerless because of your laziness.. Jesus himself told the disciples when they couldn't cast out a demon that "this kind goeth not out except by prayer and fasting"... You can continue to water down the word of God so you can lead a laid back lazy powerless Christian Life.. your choice.

1. ... Contrary to the load of bullsheet you have been fed by your pastors and mogs, the Will of God refers to God's Law and at the time, the Will of God which Jesus Christ explained that He lived by was the Law of Moses. Praying to God is not in order to know His Will, as many of you religious folks like to believe but instead to ask, to seek, and to knock.... just as Jesus Christ taught you.

2. I am not certain what you do not understand about prayer meaning talking to the Father. I mean what we call the Lord's prayer clearly highlights that fact as it essentially makes the Father the center of attention in that interaction -Matthew 6 vs 6 -15. And yes, we are to pray every to depend solely on Him for our asks, our seeks, and our knocks, hence the praying continuously aspect to the commandments. As far as emulating the likes of Paul and Silas, Jesus Christ instead said that those who belong to Him as those who do as He says - John 15 vs 14. Now, Jesus Christ didn't ask His own followers to do as He did, no, He instead said they love Him when they do that which He commands of them - John 14 vs 15 - 20. So, when you instead go and emulate the likes of Paul and Silas instead of doing that which Jesus Christ commands, do you think that means you love Jesus Christ?

You accuse me of watering down the Word of God, even though what I do instead is continue to insist that you follow the letter as it was given to you, and I wonder if you know that your pagan fasting rituals which involve your starving yourselves of food were not commanded by God and neither are they found written anywhere in scripture. God, Himself told His people, Israel, on more than one occasion that what their pagan fasting rituals are not for Him and that He will not answer them if they do that instead of what He commands.

4 I received this message from the Lord All-Powerful:
5 “Tell the priests and the other people in this country this: ‘For seventy years you fasted and showed your sadness in the fifth month and in the seventh month. But was that fasting really for me?
6 And when you ate and drank, was that for me? No, it was for your own good.
7 The Lord used the earlier prophets to say the same thing long ago. That was when Jerusalem was still a rich city filled with people and there were still people living in the surrounding towns, in the Negev, and in the western foothills.’”
8 This is the Lord’s message to Zechariah:
9 “This is what the Lord All-Powerful said: ‘You must do what is right and fair. You must be kind and show mercy to each other.
10 Don’t hurt widows and orphans, strangers, or poor people. Don’t even think of doing bad things to each other!’”
11 But they refused to listen and refused to do what he wanted. They closed their ears so that they could not hear what God said.
12 They were very stubborn and would not obey the law. The Lord All-Powerful used his Spirit and sent messages to his people through the prophets. But the people would not listen, so the Lord All-Powerful became very angry.
13 So the Lord All-Powerful said, “I called to them, and they did not answer. So now, if they call to me, I will not answer.
14 I will bring the other nations against them like a storm. They didn’t know those nations, but the country will be destroyed after those nations pass through.This pleasant country will be destroyed.” - Zechariah 7 vs 4 - 14

This is the very same message that God also spoke through Isaiah in Isaiah 58. Clearly, God says He will not answer you when you engage in your pagan(not commanded by God) fasting rituals. And you say I "water down" by expressing this truth to you?

sonofElElyon:
■The Bible says be sober be vigilant for your adversary the devil roams about seeking whom to devour. The Bible also says we wrestle not against flesh and blood.. again it says be (continually) filled with the Holy Spirit.. prayer is meant to be two way communication but most people hardly hear from God through dreams vision still small voice audible voice angelic visitation (in dreams and physical)..
■The Holy Spirit is now on Earth and ought to dwell fully in the believer guiding him and empowering him.. Jesus said ii send you another comforter. The Father said in the last days I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy, your young and old men shall dream and see visions. This isn't happening to most christians because of sin laziness lack of hunger and thirst for God. David said as the deer panteth for the waters so my soul longeth after thee. Jesus said he would vomit lukewarm Christians out of his mouth. Shalom
■Also let's not forget Jesus said greater works than mine shall ye do because I go to the Father.. with an attitude like yours there would be zero miracles signs and wonders !!!

1. Here is a link that basically compiles Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding the interaction that those who are His followers out to have as far as the enemies in the Kingdom of God. Your many "spiritual battles" and attacks are not of Jesus Christ but of the delusions of your mind.

2. It is quite interesting how Christians create for themselves a laundry list of responsibilities for the Holy Spirit separate from that stated by Jesus Christ Himself in His Gospel. Here is a link that contains a compilation of what is spoken in the Gospels as regards who the Holy Spirit is and what His Work is as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. To recap, here is what Jesus Christ said about the Spirit of Truth, the one you call the Holy Spirit.

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a. The Father will send the Spirit of Truth aka the Helper in the Name of Jesus Christ to those who live their lives in submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.
b. Those who live in the world cannot receive or have the Spirit of Truth because do not have the ability to see or perceive Him in their lack of knowledge(KNOWING) of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ.
c. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will teach the followers of Jesus Christ all things and bring to their remembrance all that Jesus Christ has taught.
d. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will bear witness about Jesus Christ to each of Jesus's own followers.
e. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will convict those who are in the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment.
f. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will guide each one of Jesus Christ's followers into all Truth for He will only speak of that which He hears of Jesus Christ and declare that which is to come concerning Jesus Christ(and His Kingdom)
g. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will glorify Jesus Christ, for He will take what belongs to Jesus Christ to declare to each of His followers
h. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus Christ and as such the Helper will teach to Jesus Christ's followers only that which is of Jesus Christ.

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The reason you cannot have Him, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, is simple, and that is because you do not live your life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. People have chosen to follow the religion of men — doctrines, and traditions(rituals) born of men that are all lies — and as such the Spirit of Jesus Christ cannot live inside of them.

3. The very same Jesus Christ who told you that in John 14 vs 12 also went on to tell you in John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 that the only way you can end up doing the good works He did, and more, is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments, God's Truth in the Kingdom of God. So when you keep suggesting that a servant doing only that which his Master commands him is lukewarm behavior, I wonder where your head is truly at.

Kobojunkie:
1. Here is a link that basically compiles Jesus Christ's very own teachings regarding the interaction that those who are His followers out to have as far as the enemies in the Kingdom of God. Your many "spiritual battles" and attacks are not of Jesus Christ but of the delusions of your mind.

2. It is quite interesting how Christians create for themselves a laundry list of responsibilities for the Holy Spirit separate from that stated by Jesus Christ Himself in His Gospel. Here is a link that contains a compilation of what is spoken in the Gospels as regards who the Holy Spirit is and what His Work is as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. To recap, here is what Jesus Christ said about the Spirit of Truth, the one you call the Holy Spirit.

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a. The Father will send the Spirit of Truth aka the Helper in the Name of Jesus Christ to those who live their lives in submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.
b. Those who live in the world cannot receive or have the Spirit of Truth because do not have the ability to see or perceive Him in their lack of knowledge(KNOWING) of the Truth of God, Jesus Christ.
c. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will teach the followers of Jesus Christ all things and bring to their remembrance all that Jesus Christ has taught.
d. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will bear witness about Jesus Christ to each of Jesus's own followers.
e. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will convict those who are in the world regarding sin, righteousness, and judgment.
f. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will guide each one of Jesus Christ's followers into all Truth for He will only speak of that which He hears of Jesus Christ and declare that which is to come concerning Jesus Christ(and His Kingdom)
g. The Helper, the Spirit of Truth, will glorify Jesus Christ, for He will take what belongs to Jesus Christ to declare to each of His followers
h. All that the Father has belongs to Jesus Christ and as such the Helper will teach to Jesus Christ's followers only that which is of Jesus Christ.

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The reason you cannot have Him, the Spirit of Jesus Christ, is simple, and that is because you do not live your life in complete submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ. People have chosen to follow the religion of men — doctrines, and traditions(rituals) born of men that are all lies — and as such the Spirit of Jesus Christ cannot live inside of them.

3. The very same Jesus Christ who told you that in John 14 vs 12 also went on to tell you in John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 7 - 11 that the only way you can end up doing the good works He did, and more, is through continuous submission and obedience to His teachings and commandments, God's Truth in the Kingdom of God. So when you keep suggesting that a servant doing only that which his Master commands him is lukewarm behavior, I wonder where your head is truly at.

Once again he ignores the plethora of scriptural evidence I quoted. You have made your choice. Shalom