Ken4Christ:
May God deliver you from the spirit of unbelief in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

Kobojunkie:
Unbelief is not a problem I have here. Unlike you, I not only believe God and His Word, Jesus Christ, I accept every Word out of God's mouth so much so that the words and tales out of the mouths of men, lies, no longer move me.

Ken4Christ:
If you accept the truth of God's word, you will know that hell as a place of torment is real. Our Lord Jesus spoke about it repeatedly in such a clear language that gives no room for ambiguities.

Kobojunkie:
Again....Unbelief is not a problem I have here. Unlike you, I not only believe God and His Word, Jesus Christ, I accept every Word out of God's mouth so much so that the words and tales out of the mouths of men, lies, no longer move me.

Ken4Christ:
Chapter Eight - The Cells in Hell

Jesus and I stood on a ledge at the first tier of cells. The ledge was about four feet wide. I looked up, and as far as I could see, there were other ledges in a large circle around what looked like a giant pit. Beside the ledge, or walkway, were cells which had been dug into the earth. Like jail cells, these cells were all in a row, with only two feet of dirt separating them.

Jesus said, "This cell block is seventeen miles high, starting from the bottom of hell. Here in these cells are many souls that were in witchcraft or the occult. Some were sorcerers, mediums, drug peddlers, idol worshipers or evil people with familiar spirits. These are the souls that worked the greatest abominations against God—many of them have been here for hundreds of years. These are they who would not repent, especially those who deceived people and led them away from God. These souls have done great wickedness against the Lord and His people. Evil and sin was their love and passion."
As I followed the Lord around the walkway, I looked down to the center of hell, where the greatest amount of activity was. A dim light filled the center at all times, and I could make out the movement of many forms. As far as I could see ahead of us were cells.

I thought to myself that the torment in the cells surely could not be more horrible than that in the pits. All around us I heard the cries and the moans and the screams of the damned in the cells. I began to be very sick. Great sorrow filled my heart.

Jesus said, "I did not let you hear those cries until now, child. But now I want to show you how Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. Here in hell there are different torments for different souls. Satan administers this torment until the day of judgment, till death and hell are cast into the lake of fire. Also, a lake of fire comes through hell at times."

As we walked along the ledge, the sounds grew louder. Great cries came from inside the cells. As I walked close to Jesus, He stopped in front of the third cell. A bright light illumined the inside of the cell. In the cell was an old woman sitting in a rocking chair, rocking and crying as though her heart would break. I don't know why, but I was shocked to find that this woman was a real person with a body.

The cell was completely bare except for the woman in the rocking chair. The walls of the cell were constructed of light clay and dirt, molded into the earth. The front door spanned the entire front of the cell. It was made of black metal with bars of metal and a lock on it. Since the bars were set wide apart, Jesus and I had an almost unlimited view of the entire cell.

The old woman's color was ashen—flesh mixed with a grayish tint. She was rocking back and forth. As she rocked, tears rolled down her cheeks. I knew from her agonized expression that she was in great Pain and was suffering from some unseen torment. I wondered what she had been charged with that she should be imprisoned here.

All of a sudden, right before my eyes, the woman began to change forms—first to an old, old man, then to a young woman, to a middle-aged woman and then back to the old lady I had first seen. In shock, I watched as she went through these changes one after the other.

When she saw Jesus, she cried, "Lord, have mercy on me. Let me out of this place of torment." She leaned forward in her chair and reached for Jesus, but could not get to Him. The changing continued. Even her clothes changed, so that she was attired as a man, then a young girl, a middle-aged woman and an old woman in turn. All of this changing seemed to take only a few minutes.
I asked Jesus, "Why, Lord?"

Again she screamed, "O Lord, let me out of here before they return." She now stood at the front of the cell, clenching the bars with tight fists. She said, "I know Your love is real. I know Your love is true. Let me out!" Then as the woman cried in terror, I saw that something was beginning to rip the flesh from her body.
"She is not what she appears to be," said the Lord.

The woman sat back in the chair and began to rock. But now only a skeleton was sitting in the rocking chair —a skeleton with a dirty mist inside. Where there had been a clothed body only minutes ago, now there were blackened and burned bones and empty sockets for eyes. The soul of the woman moaned and cried out to Jesus in repentance. But her cries were too late.

"Back on earth," said Jesus, "this woman was a witch and a worshiper of Satan. She not only practiced witchcraft, but she taught witchcraft to others. From the time she was a child, her family practiced the black arts. They loved darkness rather than light.

"Many times," said the Lord, "I called on her to repent. She mocked Me and said, 'I enjoy serving Satan. I will keep on serving him.' She rejected the truth and would not repent of her evil. She turned many people away from the Lord, some of them are in hell with her today. If she had repented, I would have saved her and many of her family, but she would not listen.

"Satan deceived this woman into believing that she would receive a kingdom of own as her reward for serving him. He told her she would never die, but would have a life with him forever. She died praising Satan and came here and asked him for her kingdom. Satan, the father of lies, laughed in her face and said, 'Did you think I would divide my kingdom with you? This is your kingdom.' And he locked her in this cell and torments her day and night.

"On earth this woman taught many witches, both white witches and black witches, to do their magic. One of her magical tricks was to change from a young woman, to a middle-aged woman, to an old woman— even to an old man. It was fun in those days to make the change and frighten lesser witches with her magic. But now she suffers the pains of hell, and her flesh is ripped away with each change. She cannot control it now, and keeps changing from one form to another, but her real form is the misty soul inside her skeleton. Satan uses her for his evil purposes and taunts and mocks her. Every so often she is brought back before Satan to be tormented for his pleasure.

"I called her many times, and I would have saved her. But she would not have Me. Now she begs and pleads for forgiveness, but it is too late. Now she is lost without hope."
I looked at this woman who was lost forever in suffering and pain, and though she was an evil woman, my heart was broken with compassion. "Lord, how awful!" I said in tears.

And then, just as if Jesus and I were not even there, a dirty, brown demon with broken wings, about the size and shape of a large bear, came to the front of her cell and opened it with a key. He was making a loud noise as if to frighten her. The woman screamed in abject terror as he began to attack her and pull her out of the cell.

Jesus said, "This demon torments her often." I watched as she was dragged out of the cell and taken away.

"Dear Lord," I asked, "is there nothing we can do?" I felt such a pity for her.

"It's too late!" Jesus replied. "It's too late."

LordReed:
Yes the fickle god who your bible claimed said no one will come back from the dead to tell of the other side but sure enough we have all these stories of returning from heaven and hell after death to tell tales of the "Great Beyond". LMAO!

LilMissFavvy:
I stopped reading stuffs like this because the last one I read from a particular sister, she woke up one day to confess that the entire story was false. Too many demented people, too many liars'.....

I rather hold unto my God to give me directions on things before I accept them.

Piptocoin:
1. I understand your sentiment. People like Alex Malarkey come to mind. However, do you stop going to church because there are false pastors?

2. Do you stop believing in a good and righteous God because some people use His name as an excuse to commit evil?

3. Do you stop reading the Bible because some so-called ancient Hebrew scrolls that contradict the Word of God were discovered?

4. Even Christ gave a parable which likened heaven to a situation where a man sowed good seeds and while men slept the enemy planted weed among the good seeds.

Kobojunkie:
A logical being would take a step back to ensure that he only adopts only that which is of value to his Kingdom of God mission .

1. Jesus Christ never commanded your churches nor your attendance of them to begin with. So a logical conclusion would be that only false prophets and false teachers would elevate ideas that are not of God using God's name..

2. Considering the "good and righteous" God warned that many will come peddling lies in His name, I think there is a none issue there.

3. A logical mind would consider the truth of what He or she reads even in the bibke since after all they are books from ancient Hebrew scrolls and so may contain lots as well.

4. It is indeed because the enemy's seeds are planted right in the same field as the seeds of God that you ought to carefully examine the Truth of God making sure to throw out that does not fit with His Truth.

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Jesus Christ clearly made clear by way of the Parable and teachings that no one will be sent back from the dead to warn the living - Luke 16 vs 19 - 31. Also Jesus Christ made it clear that not until after He returns and judges the world will we know for sure who has a part in Heaven and in Hall - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 - not before then.

So the question here really is do you believe Jesus Christ at all, or is your belief instead vested in the accounts of men which clearly contradict Jesus Christ.

Ken4Christ:
1. You twist scriptures to conform with your lies. When the Jesus Christ said that no one will come back to warn the dead? You said that the story of Rich man and Lazarus is a parable. You are using a statement from a story you don't believe to establish a doctrine. But you don't believe that the story teaches that the wicked will go to hell which is vividly pictured as a place of torment. In the story, it was Abraham who responded to the request of the rich man that even if someone rises from the dead, they will still not believe. It wasn't Jesus who said so.

13. “But the man who owned the field said to one of them, ‘Friend, I am being fair with you. You agreed to work for one silver coin. Right? .
14. So take your pay and go. I want to give the man who was hired last the same pay I gave you. .
15. I can do what I want with my own money. Why would you be jealous because I am generous?’.
16. “So those who are last now will be first in the future. And those who are first now will be last in the future.”. - Matthew 20 vs 13 - 16.

11. “When the king came in to meet the guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in the right clothes for a wedding.
12. The king said, ‘Friend, how were you allowed to come in here? You are not wearing the right clothes.’ But the man said nothing.
13. So the king told some servants, ‘Tie this man’s hands and feet. Throw him out into the darkness, where people are crying and grinding their teeth with pain.’.
14. “Yes, many people are invited. But only a few are chosen.”. - Matthew 22 vs 11 -14 .

27. So you should have put my money in the bank. Then, when I came home, I would get my money back. And I would also get the interest that my money earned.’
28. “So the master told his other servants, ‘Take the one bag of money from that servant and give it to the servant who has ten bags. .
29. Everyone who uses what they have will get more. They will have much more than they need. But people who do not use what they have will have everything taken away from them.’ .
30. Then the master said, ‘Throw that useless servant outside into the darkness, where people will cry and grind their teeth with pain.’. - Matthew 25 vs 27 - 30.

19 . Then I can say to myself, I have many good things stored. I have saved enough for many years. Rest, eat, drink, and enjoy life!’
20. “But God said to that man, ‘Foolish man! Tonight you will die. So what about the things you prepared for yourself? Who will get those things now?’.
21. “This is how it will be for anyone who saves things only for himself. To God that person is not rich.”. - Luke 12 vs 16 - 21.

6. Jesus told this story: “A man had a fig tree. He planted it in his garden. He came looking for some fruit on it, but he found none.
7. He had a servant who took care of his garden. So he said to his servant, ‘I have been looking for fruit on this tree for three years, but I never find any. Cut it down! Why should it waste the ground?’
8. But the servant answered, ‘Master, let the tree have one more year to produce fruit. Let me dig up the dirt around it and fertilize it. .
9. Maybe the tree will have fruit on it next year. If it still does not produce, then you can cut it down.’”. - Luke 13 vs 6 - 9 .

21. “So the servant returned and told his master what happened. The master was angry. He said, ‘Hurry! Go into the streets and alleys of the town. Bring me the poor, the crippled, the blind, and the lame.’
22. “Later, the servant said to him, ‘Master, I did what you told me to do, but we still have places for more people.’
23. The master said to the servant, ‘Go out to the highways and country roads. Tell the people there to come. I want my house to be full! .
24. I tell you, not one of those people I invited first will eat any of this food I prepared.’”. - Luke 14 vs 21 - 24.

29 “But Abraham said, ‘They have the Law of Moses and the writings of the prophets to read; let them learn from that.’
30 “The rich man said, ‘No, father Abraham! But if someone came to them from the dead, then they would decide to change their lives.’
31 “But Abraham said to him, ‘If your brothers won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen to someone who comes back from the dead.’” - Luke 16 vs 29 - 31

Ken4Christ:


God never said no one will come back.

LordReed:


I must have misremembered but here is what Jesus purportedly said

Luke 16
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

So the god knows people won't be convinced by people who came back from the dead but sends them anyway?

Ken4Christ:


It wasn't God who spoke here. It was Abraham.

triplechoice:
Who was Mary Kathryn?
She was proven to be a lunatic and fraud when she was alive.
Her book has been "fingered" as one of the causes of RST, Religious stress Trauma, experienced by some Christians who have read it and believed her fiction.

Here below would help you to know about the person whose reality distorting book the Op is serialising.
Later, I would come back to explain in more detail how the book has destroyed minds and still doing so.
Expect more.https://medium.com/belover/the-hell-hustler-654de600fff5

Kobojunkie:
A logical being would take a step back to ensure that he only adopts only that which is of value to his Kingdom of God mission .

1. Jesus Christ never commanded your churches nor your attendance of them to begin with. So a logical conclusion would be that only false prophets and false teachers would elevate ideas that are not of God using God's name..

2. Considering the "good and righteous" God warned that many will come peddling lies in His name, I think there is a none issue there.

3. A logical mind would consider the truth of what He or she reads even in the bibke since after all they are books from ancient Hebrew scrolls and so may contain lots as well.

4. It is indeed because the enemy's seeds are planted right in the same field as the seeds of God that you ought to carefully examine the Truth of God making sure to throw out that does not fit with His Truth.

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Jesus Christ clearly made clear by way of the Parable and teachings that no one will be sent back from the dead to warn the living - Luke 16 vs 19 - 31. Also Jesus Christ made it clear that not until after He returns and judges the world will we know for sure who has a part in Heaven and in Hall - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 & Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13 - not before then.

So the question here really is do you believe Jesus Christ at all, or is your belief instead vested in the accounts of men which clearly contradict Jesus Christ.

LordReed:


As narrated by Jesus so is Jesus lying?

Ken4Christ:


So, if I narrated what I saw in a party rally and I quoted what the party flag bearer said, am I the one who said it?

Did you study English language in school? Were you not taught what is reported speech?

So, when the rich man spoke, it was Jesus who spoke. Are you out of your senses.

Is this how brainwashing really works?

Piptocoin:
1. To begin with, you said God never commanded the gathering of believers. Are you selectively ignorant to Hebrews 10:25 and Acts 2:42 among others?
2. Many times, God instructed His followers how to live which can be seen as both a command and advice. Tell me, why did Jesus give the five-fold gifts of the church to men making some Apostles, some Prophets, some Evangelists, some Pastors, and some Teachers if the gathering of believers is of no consequence?
3. Which churches was Jesus referring to in the book of Revelations? If He did not command or instruct the gathering of the believers then why was He commending the churches and warning some of them so that they do not lose their salvation?
4. In your third statement, I should let you know that the Bible is the standard for every revelation given by God to man by which we can separate what is true from what is false. The revelation shared by Mary Kathryn Baxter should be held up to the light of the Word of God and judged by it if it is scriptural. If it passes the test, then you condemning it is being in enmity with God.

My reply to your third statement simultaneously covers your fourth statement. If otherwise then I ask how you determine the Truth of God to determine what doesn't fit with the Truth.
5. The Bible never opined by directly or otherwise that God would never raise the dead. Jesus raised the dead, the Apostle Paul by the power of God raised the dead. He himself died and was brought back to life and he shared what he saw during the time he died. Many many people have been known to be clinically dead and returned to life defying medical science who shared the reality of the afterlife like the Apostle Paul did. You have deliberately misinterpreted that passage to suit the error of your thinking.

4 “‘These are the Lord’s appointed festivals, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times:
5 The Lord’s Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.
6 On the fifteenth day of that month the Lord’s Festival of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.
8 For seven days present a food offering to the Lord. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.’” - Leviticus 23 vs 4 - 8

42 They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread, and to prayer.
43 Everyone was filled with awe at the many wonders and signs performed by the apostles.
44 All the believers were together and had everything in common.
45 They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need.
46 Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,
47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved. - Acts 2 vs 42 - 47

As you are clearly told above, these people abandoned everything they had, sold all their properties, and gave it all away to those in need according to Jesus Christ commandments, and gathered together, probably woke, ate, drank, pooped, and slept in the same place. Is that the model that is your church today?

2 There are many rooms in my Father’s house. I would not tell you this if it were not true. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
3 After I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back. Then I will take you with me so that you can be where I am.
4 You know the way to the place where I am going.” - John 14 vs 2 - 4

LordReed:


LoLz! Did a rabid dog bite you this evening that is making you foam in the mouth?

So you are saying that Abraham was lying not Jesus?

Ken4Christ:


Abraham didn't lie. He spoke his opinion. And his opinion is not necessarily God's opinion.

LordReed:


An opinion Jesus didn't bother to correct but instead used it to teach? LoLz. Ok o.

Ken4Christ:
What is there to correct? Abraham was right to some extent. You just fulfilled Abraham's opinion because you don't believe the testimony of those who have been to hell and came back to life. But there are always exceptions to every rule.

There are quite a few that will believe because of the testimony of hell. And these few is worth the second chance opportunity.

35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Matthew 24 vs 35

33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. - Luke 21 vs 33

Ken4Christ:


What is there to correct? Abraham was right to some extent. You just fulfilled Abraham's opinion because you don't believe the testimony of those who have been to hell and came back to life. But there are always exceptions to every rule.

There are quite a few that will believe because of the testimony of hell. And these few is worth the second chance opportunity.

Kobojunkie:

If there are always exceptions to every rule, as you claim, then you accuse Jesus Christ of lying each time He declared that ...

....
... abi?

Jesus Christ, to you, was just a man with ideas, and no real truths as He claimed since according to you there are always exceptions to the rule?