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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 5:43pm On Nov 11, 2022
Mombasa life.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 5:44pm On Nov 11, 2022
Wuoche:


Then why is Kenya receiving more money from Tourism than Tanzania?

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 5:47pm On Nov 11, 2022
Wuoche:


You should not talk about cruise terminal cause you don't even have a shade.
You should first stop calling that shade a cruise terminal.

Tanzania can't build a shit stuff. If we build a cruise terminal, it must be a word standard terminal
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 5:57pm On Nov 11, 2022
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Don't you trust the figures from your government? grin grin Show us 2021 figures.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 6:04pm On Nov 11, 2022
Mombasa.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 6:09pm On Nov 11, 2022
Rock and Sea, Watamu

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 6:11pm On Nov 11, 2022
Kenyan coast. Watamu.

Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Kazikazi: 6:21pm On Nov 11, 2022
Wuoche:


Don't you trust the figures from your government? grin grin Show us 2021 figures.


Most nations were under lockdown in 2020,2021 so we can't read much from those figures the sector is not fully recovered
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Wuoche: 6:26pm On Nov 11, 2022
Kazikazi:
Most nations were under lockdown in 2020,2021 so we can't read much from those figures the sector is not fully recovered

But Tanzania was not under lockdown.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 7:21pm On Nov 11, 2022
Balogunodua:


In Kebbi State and Sokoto it 3200.
He thinks Nigeria is Kenya where they buy cement for almost$10.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 7:51pm On Nov 11, 2022
Obaboon, you dont get any shame left in your zoo, comparing yourself to kenya. Save your generator. You're under the firm grip of Dangote. Tell Dangote to come and make money selling cement for 10 dollars smiley He cant.

obaaderemi:
He thinks Nigeria is Kenya where they buy cement for almost$10.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 8:00pm On Nov 11, 2022
If you want to understand why Nigeria is messed up. Start with cement. Read this world bank blog
https://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/why-price-cement-so-high-africa

Everywhere in Africa - cement prizes have fallen - case is kenya - 20yrs ago I use to buy it 600-700 - as I built my first house - and for rest of years it has been 550-600 - retail - 450-500 if you buy wholesale. Cement has almost been inflation proof. And it should be - because cement is just made from useless limestone & clay as binder - most useless production that is plentiful everywhere.

Conclusion For Nigeria - Dangote & his friends are enslaving you. DO NOT PROJECT. Dangote cant do his crap outside Nigeria where he has to compete with others...he sell cement cheaply. Nigeria together with 3-4 others - they enslave you.

Nigeria should have cement plants in every city - as cement is just bulky grinding of limestone - it should not be a big deal - it like salt.

In Kenya banana, table salt and cement in are some of things that remain the same price almost for lifetime - banana has always been 5shs - salt 5shs - and cement now stuck at 500-600.

`Oligarchies' led by major producers that use political power to erect excessive entry barriers against new entrepreneurs
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 8:26pm On Nov 11, 2022
rvp20182:
If you want to understand why Nigeria is messed up. Start with cement. Read this world bank blog
https://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/why-price-cement-so-high-africa

Everywhere in Africa - cement prizes have fallen - case is kenya - 20yrs ago I use to buy it 600-700 - as I built my first house - and for rest of years it has been 550-600 - retail - 450-500 if you buy wholesale. Cement has almost been inflation proof. And it should be - because cement is just made from useless limestone & clay as binder - most useless production that is plentiful everywhere.

Conclusion For Nigeria - Dangote & his friends are enslaving you. DO NOT PROJECT. Dangote cant do his crap outside Nigeria where he has to compete with others...he sell cement cheaply. Nigeria together with 3-4 others - they enslave you.

Nigeria should have cement plants in every city - as cement is just bulky grinding of limestone - it should not be a big deal - it like salt.

In Kenya banana, table salt and cement in are some of things that remain the same price almost for lifetime - banana has always been 5shs - salt 5shs - and cement now stuck at 500-600.
sometimes, u talk like a fool.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 9:04pm On Nov 11, 2022
Almajiri with your esteem education in Islamic begging you dare talk about cerebral stuff.
Biggest cost of cement is transport cost...you want to build your factory smack right in the city.
It's bulky useless thing. Only expensive in Africa.
It cost 2 dollars elsewhere....that is why people just pour it.
Look at Kenya now...there are cement factories in every city...Mombasa, Nairobi, Kisumu, Nakuru and even now Eldoret.
That only way you can keep price down....reducing the cost of transport
I have transported cement with my trucks in Uganda...there were at least every 100ksm form nearest cement factory.
I charged half a dollar for 100ksm..200ksm..another half a dollar per bag...by time if get to Juba south sudan...you can imagine the transport cost from Uganda nearest cement factory in Tororo...700kms...that is already added 4 dollars per bag.
Truck takes about 600 bags...depending on the allowed axle.
Nigeria twice kenya should have maybe 50 cement factories...or at least one per state.

Now what do you have - Dangote has 3 or 5 plants - cements has to be trucked miles away...transport cost is huge..by time it get to Kano or your city...it already 15 dollars a bag....while in Egypt it's 2 dollars.

To get to 2-3 dollars Nigeria need to have cement factories in every major town - produce both limestone and clinker locally - and only variable really would be power cost (it needs lot of that) - and usual machinery+profit.

theenchanter:
sometimes, u talk like a fool.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 9:56pm On Nov 11, 2022
rvp20182:
Almajiri with your esteem education in Islamic begging you dare talk about cerebral stuff.
Biggest cost of cement is transport cost...you want to build your factory smack right in the city.
It's bulky useless thing. Only expensive in Africa.
It cost 2 dollars elsewhere....that is why people just pour it.
Look at Kenya now...there are cement factories in every city...Mombasa, Nairobi, Kisumu, Nakuru and even now Eldoret.
That only way you can keep price down....reducing the cost of transport
I have transported cement with my trucks in Uganda...there were at least every 100ksm form nearest cement factory.
I charged half a dollar for 100ksm..200ksm..another half a dollar per bag...by time if get to Juba south sudan...you can imagine the transport cost from Uganda nearest cement factory in Tororo...700kms...that is already added 4 dollars per bag.
Truck takes about 600 bags...depending on the allowed axle.
Nigeria twice kenya should have maybe 50 cement factories...or at least one per state.

Now what do you have - Dangote has 3 or 5 plants - cements has to be trucked miles away...transport cost is huge..by time it get to Kano or your city...it already 15 dollars a bag....while in Egypt it's 2 dollars.

To get to 2-3 dollars Nigeria need to have cement factories in every major town - produce both limestone and clinker locally - and only variable really would be power cost (it needs lot of that) - and usual machinery+profit.

tales by moonlight.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by Just40: 10:03pm On Nov 11, 2022
theenchanter:
tales by moonlight.
since when did you become a writer ? grin grin

Perfect title
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by theenchanter: 10:04pm On Nov 11, 2022
Just40:
since when did you become a writer ? grin grin

Perfect title
cheesy
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by GeneralDae2: 10:10pm On Nov 11, 2022
Kenyans just recently secured an IMF deal like Egypt. What I don't understand is why the Kenyans here are trolling Ghana, as though their situation is any better. Worst of it all is that while Ghana is seeking 3 billion dollars like the big boys they are, Kenya is seeking a paltry 433 million dollars.

IMF Reaches Staff Level Agreement on the Fourth Reviews of the Extended Fund Facility and Extended Credit Facility for Kenya
November 8, 2022

IMF staff and the Kenyan authorities have reached staff-level agreement on economic policies to conclude the fourth reviews of the 38-month EFF/ECF arrangements. Kenya would have access to about US$433 million in financing once the review is formally completed by the IMF Executive Board.
The new government has expressed strong commitment to the IMF-supported program.
The economy remains broadly resilient. However, volatile international commodity prices, tighter external financing conditions, higher inflation, global slowdown in growth, and continued drought have created a challenging backdrop for economic policy making.
Kenya’s program is helping the country through these global shocks by anchoring policies to support inclusive growth while addressing debt vulnerabilities.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by QuietMynd: 11:07pm On Nov 11, 2022
Nigeria as the largest producer of tomatoes produce 1.8 million metric tonnes a year with a domestic demand of 2.4 million metric tonnes, so we still need to rack up production of tomatoes to meet demand.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 11:08pm On Nov 11, 2022
Kenya went with Nigeria and South Africa to IMF in 2020 during covid.
This 4th phase/review of that program with IMF - I think it's final review/funding.
Each phase IMF asses - and decide to release money if you're going the right direction.
As of now the top 10 countries under IMF include both South Africa and Nigeria.
Kenya is not in that list.

Going to IMF is like going to hospital.
You can take yourself.
Or they can come with an ambulance.


Many countries realized their economies were sick - definitely absolutely sick with lockdowns - and run to the doctor - IMF.

Ghana refused to do the rational and prudent thing in 2020.
And continue borrowing.

And now they want the ambulance to come rescue them.

But IMF hospital is full.

Why is IMF important - and why do country go for it.
It's not about the money.

What is 3 billion dollars...Kenya collect 2 billion every month.

IMF is about BUILDING confidence - building trust with debt market that loan govs - that you're making ammends, being a good boy and they can trust you.

Countries go to IMF to send positive signals that they are on the mend - IMF does this by recommending very heavy doses of injection. Unless you dont draw the money - just get precautionary overdraft facility - the moment you want money - IMF will demand serious reforms - Egypt for example have to privatize and drop some economic policies - or you go elsewhere - which is nowhere.

Without IMF - you die Zimbwabwe style.

Ghana is bleeding every day - because nobody trust the gov of Ghana - not domestic - least of all international.

What happens - nobody can lend them - USD goes haywire - debt triple in few months - everything become impossible - country goes to standstill.

Srilanka and Lebanon are richer countries than most in Africa.

Argentina and Greece are developed countries...but when you get into negative feedback loop...you're dead..same way you're on virtous loop..where positive sentiment reinforce each other.

End of day - everyone trying to predict the future - and they dont like taking obvious risk - they aint gonna bet on Ghana when it's bleeding.

IMF was created to be Last man standing.

GeneralDae2:
Kenyans just recently secured an IMF deal like Egypt. What I don't understand is why the Kenyans here are trolling Ghana, as though their situation is any better. Worst of it all is that while Ghana is seeking 3 billion dollars like the big boys they are, Kenya is seeking a paltry 433 million dollars.

IMF Reaches Staff Level Agreement on the Fourth Reviews of the Extended Fund Facility and Extended Credit Facility for Kenya
November 8, 2022

IMF staff and the Kenyan authorities have reached staff-level agreement on economic policies to conclude the fourth reviews of the 38-month EFF/ECF arrangements. Kenya would have access to about US$433 million in financing once the review is formally completed by the IMF Executive Board.
The new government has expressed strong commitment to the IMF-supported program.
The economy remains broadly resilient. However, volatile international commodity prices, tighter external financing conditions, higher inflation, global slowdown in growth, and continued drought have created a challenging backdrop for economic policy making.
Kenya’s program is helping the country through these global shocks by anchoring policies to support inclusive growth while addressing debt vulnerabilities.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by QuietMynd: 11:12pm On Nov 11, 2022
Nigeria as the largest producer of SheaNuts in the world earned $8.19m last year from the possible $3.8bn Shea trade,due to lack of value addition. This largest Shea butter processing factory in WestAfrica nears completion in Dikko, Gurara LGA of Niger State to change that story.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 11:25pm On Nov 11, 2022
Ruto signal to local debt market...invest you money elsewhere otherwise kenya gov will borrow at single digit.
If interest rate is more than 10 percent - we dont take the money.
This will force banks, pensions and others to look for alternative investment.
Or well take whatever the gov offers.
Win-win.

"It is not possible for us to borrow beyond 10 per cent. The last borrowing we did was at 14 per cent. That is unacceptable and that is the trajectory we are going," the President said adding that they will not make a U-turn on the decision.

Good move as gov as has been crowding out private sector lending - lazyly lending to gov and making superprofit....14% interest is a steal...its better than building a rental.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB0ylHycmOo
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by QuietMynd: 11:30pm On Nov 11, 2022
Europe imports soybeans worth $14.2m from Nigeria, then go on to process it into oil and make thrice the money. In 2017, Alhaji Gerawa built a $50m processing plant in Kano, with a potential for export . Production has begun, 5,000 workers engaged,valued added and Nigeria wins.

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by QuietMynd: 11:32pm On Nov 11, 2022
Ogun State signs $400m Special Agro-Industrial Processing Zone project. Prince @dabiodunMFR was joined by @gupta_gagan_ , CEO, @AriseIIP;Benedict Oramah, President, @afreximbank; Akinwunmi Adesina, President, @AfDB_Group; Alh. S Zubairu, President, Africa Finance Corp .

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp20182: 11:49pm On Nov 11, 2022
This could make more money than crue oil and with more multiplier -value chain - from millions of farmers to transports. Nigeria has huge potential go back being cooking oil giant it was before crude oil. Palm oil, soyabeans, name it... africa imports lots of cooking oil...i think 2nd to crude oil..if not cars or machinery.
QuietMynd:
Europe imports soybeans worth $14.2m from Nigeria, then go on to process it into oil and make thrice the money. In 2017, Alhaji Gerawa built a $50m processing plant in Kano, with a potential for export . Production has begun, 5,000 workers engaged,valued added and Nigeria wins.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by QuietMynd: 1:20am On Nov 12, 2022
rvp20182:
This could make more money than crue oil and with more multiplier -value chain - from millions of farmers to transports. Nigeria has huge potential go back being cooking oil giant it was before crude oil. Palm oil, soyabeans, name it... africa imports lots of cooking oil...i think 2nd to crude oil..if not cars or machinery.
Me reading ur nonsense post

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Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:19am On Nov 12, 2022
theenchanter:
sometimes, u talk like a fool.
Is he not a fool?
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 3:30am On Nov 12, 2022
rvp20182:
Obaboon, you dont get any shame left in your zoo, comparing yourself to kenya. Save your generator. You're under the firm grip of Dangote. Tell Dangote to come and make money selling cement for 10 dollars smiley He cant.

Your country is a mess, R I P. Selling cement for Ksh1000 is daylight robbery.
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 6:10am On Nov 12, 2022
obaaderemi:
Your country is a mess, R I P. Selling cement for Ksh1000 is daylight robbery.
Of course it's daylight robbery that has made Dangote the only odd man in room of billionaire..only dude rich from selling dust and salt.In Kenya it was period of insanity that lasted three months...fuel sudsidy led to shortages as supply chain came unstuck and we became like Nigeria..Uhuru Kenyatta dropped the ball in desperate attempt to stop Ruto and failed.Now imagine Nigeria you have been buying cement all these years at more than 10 dollars everyday despite fuel subsidies...
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 7:11am On Nov 12, 2022
rvp2018:
Of course it's daylight robbery that has made Dangote the only odd man in room of billionaire..only dude rich from selling dust and salt.In Kenya it was period of insanity that lasted three months...fuel sudsidy led to shortages as supply chain came unstuck and we became like Nigeria..Uhuru Kenyatta dropped the ball in desperate attempt to stop Ruto and failed.Now imagine Nigeria you have been buying cement all these years at more than 10 dollars everyday despite fuel subsidies...
Nigeria has other billionaire businessmen aside Dangote. This is not little India.
I'll rather have these local businessmen run our economy than Indians and Jews who rob Kenyans blind selling cement at almost $10. tongue
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by rvp2018: 7:43am On Nov 12, 2022
obaaderemi:
Nigeria has other billionaire businessmen aside Dangote. This is not little India.
I'll rather have these local businessmen run our economy than Indians and Jews who rob Kenyans blind selling cement at almost $10. tongue
The color of a thief doesn't matter to normal humans.Obaboon Kenya cement is 5 dollars...it should go even lower to Chinese level of 3 dollars..I wish we get Chinese investment on the sector.China itself started off by inviting Americans and like Xi once said...it doesn't matter the color of the cat..what matters is whether it catches the mice or not...an Indian or a Jew company in Kenya employ people, pay taxes and save each kenya 5 dollars that Dangote type connected gov industrialist would have occassioned.10 politically connected billionaires in a world poverty capital...more poor people than whole of India.There is no difference btw Sani Abacha and Dangote...both sucked Nigerian blood like ticks ..Abacha political type steal your gov revenues...Dangotes steal your savings... everytime you buy anything that uncompetitive political connected player impose on you...you're being robbed.I guess it okay if Abacha is black as blue just as Dangote in the Zoo messed up country of bonobos n baboons
Re: Kenyans Are Far Behind Nigerians In Every Aspect – Fani-Kayode by obaaderemi: 8:20am On Nov 12, 2022
rvp2018:
The color of a thief doesn't matter to normal humans.Obaboon Kenya cement is 5 dollars...it should go even lower to Chinese level of 3 dollars..I wish we get Chinese investment on the sector.China itself started off by inviting Americans and like Xi once said...it doesn't matter the color of the cat..what matters is whether it catches the mice or not...an Indian or a Jew company in Kenya employ people, pay taxes and save each kenya 5 dollars that Dangote type connected gov industrialist would have occassioned.10 politically connected billionaires in a world poverty capital...more poor people than whole of India.There is no difference btw Sani Abacha and Dangote...both sucked Nigerian blood like ticks ..Abacha political type steal your gov revenues...Dangotes steal your savings... everytime you buy anything that uncompetitive political connected player impose on you...you're being robbed.I guess it okay if Abacha is black as blue just as Dangote in the Zoo messed up country of bonobos n baboons
Yes, R I P, just like the indian Kamlesh Pattni scam that cost Kenya 10% of its GDP. grin grin
If you don't care about Indians and Jews robbing you blind, so why are you complaining about Dangote making money in his own country and employing people in the process? He faces a lot of challenges in his businesses in Nigeria also but remains undeterred. His cement is less than $5 here in Nigeria. With the way you always bitch here one would think a bag of cement was $1 in Kenya. Stupidd boy.
If not for this thread we wouldn't know cement was sold for almost $10 in Kenya.

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