advanceDNA:


Yes

Won't call you a lair but I guess the church you attend isn't among the top ones in the country

Peppysco:


Won't call you a lair but I guess the church you attend isn't among the top ones in the country

Call me lair over petty dialogues that we are not getting paid for?? Lol....... if u know me here u will know i just like to do devil's advocate but U people take things too serious here

edoairways:

First of not all pastors blow the trumpet when giving, remove that stereotypical thought from your head. Second, the hypocritical society pressurise other pastors to display giving just to win sympathy

Please stop twisting things for the sake of men who are nothing but liars themselves abeg!

This woman is not one of your pastors but you are here demanding she be held to a higher standard than you are obviously willing to hold your pastors simply on grounds that she refuses to obey your pastors and mogs. Why?

Oluaje:
It's a good for a Christian to follow this woman pattern as tithes were not the teaching of Jesus Christ but commanded us to give.

Jesus Christ instead said you should obey Him not follow the pattern of men. It is because men follow the pattern of other men - their mentors, pastors and mogs - that we have the problem called religion in Nigeria as it exists today.

Pinkyposh:
Everything is clearly stated in the Bible
Even stopping paying your tithe to build a house for a widow.
She did well, but she has robbed God

Is this woman an Israelite that she would be guilty of robbing God according to a law God gave as part of His National Constitution for the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20?

eagleae7:

It's personal, and so is a walk with Him.
But I don't expect you ro understand

Stop using God's name to propagate your ignorance abeg!

advanceDNA:


Call me lair over petty dialogues that we are not getting paid for?? Lol....... if u know me here u will know i just like to do devil's advocate but U people take things too serious here

You obviously didn't understand my post and the humor behind it. Never called you a liar nor have we ever had any interaction before now and as a result, wouldn't know about your ' devil's advocate stuffs'.

Kobojunkie:
Stop using God's name to propagate your ignorance abeg!

Ignorance
It's a matter of choice, believe/do whatever you like, the fact is that Tithing is real and in God's word the Bible.
Forget that so called men of God misuse tithe for their personal gain.

DaInferno:
I'm no pastor...but things like this sha. Its a nice gesture, very good and commendable.

But people just think they are wise- wiser than God even. Baba say bring 1/10 to my household and keep 9 and do whatever you please with it.

Not building houses with His 10%

MODIFIED

People quoting bible for me and/or asking me where what I said is in the Bible don't even pay tithe or help the needy .

I'm not dragging anything with anybody. That one no consign me. I no get strength for epistles . Yall just like quoting the verses that best suit you.

Get this, whether you build 100 houses for people without paying your tithe, God is still gonna question you. He's ways are not ours.

As far as I'm concerned, that "kind" lady ate her 90% and used God's 10% to build house for some body.

You can do whatever you want with 90% such as giving, building etc.
... But 10 is for God. Even if most "men of God" mismanage this funds, that's between them and Him.

Use gun come collect the 10 for my hand....lazy pastors....na for tithe matter their vien dey strong

eagleae7:

It's personal, and so is a walk with Him.
But I don't expect you ro understand

Clown.

eagleae7:

Ignorance
It's a matter of choice, believe/do whatever you like, the fact is that Tithing is real and in God's word the Bible.
Forget that so called men of God misuse tithe for their personal gain.

I am afraid what you spew using God's name is nothing but ignorance.

God's laws regarding Tithing and offering are contained in the Old Law of Moses, a National Constitution for the state of Israel which God handed to the children of Israel - those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - for an everlasting covenant - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So for you, a Nigerian, living in Nigeria, to claim you live by those laws by choice amounts to you calling God a fool for exempting you from that Law in the first place. Your choice you make not only in ignorance but in direct conflict/sin against God.

You claim to believe in Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Constitution in the Kingdom of God, for individual men - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 & Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30, the Gospel and Truth of God for those who belong to the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ clearly warned His followers that they cannot have one foot in one Law and the other foot in another Law in their lives -do not store old wine in new wineskin and vice versa - yet you ignore His warning, so you can instead hold on to your choice made in ignorance, yet another sin against God.

Understand that not only are your so-called choices against God but as Jesus Christ made clear, the blind followers of the false teachers and false prophets out there will all end up in the same ditch their blind leaders will end up in - Matthew 15 vs 14 - so do not think yourself innocent in God's eyes.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid what you spew using God's name is nothing but ignorance.

God's laws regarding Tithing and offering are contained in the Old Law of Moses, a National Constitution for the state of Israel which God handed to the children of Israel - those who have the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins - for an everlasting covenant - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. So for you, a Nigerian, living in Nigeria, to claim you live by those laws by choice amounts to you calling God a fool for exempting you from that Law in the first place. Your choice you make not only in ignorance but in direct conflict/sin against God.

You claim to believe in Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and Constitution in the Kingdom of God, for individual men - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 & Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30, the Gospel and Truth of God for those who belong to the Kingdom of God, and Jesus Christ clearly warned His followers that they cannot have one foot in one Law and the other foot in another Law in their lives -do not store old wine in new wineskin and vice versa - yet you ignore His warning, so you can instead hold on to your choice made in ignorance, yet another sin against God.

Understand that not only are your so-called choices against God but as Jesus Christ made clear, the blind followers of the false teachers and false prophets out there will all end up in the same ditch their blind leaders will end up in - Matthew 15 vs 14 - so do not think yourself innocent in God's eyes.

Please sorry for asking, are you a Christian?

In Matthew 5:17 He came not to destroy the Law but fullfil it.
Show me where Jesus condemned Tithing.

eagleae7:

Please sorry for asking, are you a Christian?

In Matthew 5:17 He came not to destroy the Law but fullfil it.
Show me where Jesus condemned Tithing.

But God never included you, a gentile, as part of His Law of Moses. So do you think that because Jesus Christ didn't come to abolish the Old Law somehow meant Jesus Christ came to include you, against God's own decree, in God's Old Covenant Law and Constitution to the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan?

Tithing and offering were designed by God as part of the Tax System of His Law and Constitution in the Nation of Israel. You are not an Israelite, and neither do you live among the Israelites in the Land of Canaan, so of what business of yours is the Constitution of a foreign land that you are not called as a part of by Jesus Christ nor were you born of the blood of(Israel)?

eagleae7:

Ignorance
It's a matter of choice, believe/do whatever you like, the fact is that Tithing is real and in God's word the Bible.
Forget that so called men of God misuse tithe for their personal gain.

This is simply untrue.
There was never a time or scripture requiring people who were NOT FARMERS to pay tithes.

The scripture was very specific to agricultural produce and specific to the PROMISED LAND of the HEBREW people . NOT to the land of EGYPT from whence they came not the lands of Kano, Port Harcourt, Ukraine or New York
Agricultural produce
Promised Land

The scripture described in detail what should happen to tithes

At that time there were scribes, fishermen, potters and other professionals .Tithes were not required from them/
Imagine a country where every professinal pays Tithe = 10% Does the FG get that in Nigeria today from citizens.
Remeber Jesus was asked about tax. No one was paying cash/money tithes when Jesus was around

The psychological problem is this

If you have been paying tithes for the last 20 years how you you tell yourself the truth?
That is like coming to terms with an unwanted DNA result you can lie to yourself that the child is yours or face reality/

The essential difference that Christianity lays claim to is GRACE
blessings and favors unpurchased, unearned. Not the bloody sacrificial bargaining that Jehovah was known for
So the idea of giving God tithes in exchange for ANYTHING or being sanctioned by God for not doing so is "Pentecosta"l Christianity. Not all "Christian" subscribe to the pentecostal ideology which is now dominant but quite new in Nigeria. There are still people alive who practised their Christianity in a Nigeria where speaking in tongues was only done by the likes of Celestial and Keraboom
It only took off in the 80s and no one was talking about tithes BEFORE THEN
Try and imagine what that kind of Christian space in NIgeria which was the case in 1980

zivility:
Try to gain knowledge. They have told you give 10% to God but blinded you to The Word " if you give to the poor and needy you give to my Father in Heaven.". So you are left to imply that you should give to pastors and churches.

lol...define tithe

advanceDNA:
U stopped giving tithe only to use the money for something else and showing it off like Pharisees and scribes Jesus warned u not be behave like......sigh!!!!

This is a different matter.

Advancedman:


This is a different matter.

Of course...its like being the devil's advocate

Kobojunkie:
Did she say she stopped paying tithes or built the house for the widow because of Jesus Christ?

Why do you judge her by the words of Jesus Christ when your pastors and mogs and their tithe and offering traditions whom you refuse to judge are against the same Jesus Christ?

Abeg shut up there..This discussion is for those who tithe not broke ass empty folks talking chaff.Mtchw

bezimo:
Abeg shut up there..This discussion is for those who tithe not broke ass empty folks talking chaff.Mtchw

For those who tithe... Tithing, in addition to the Temple tax, was part of the Old Covenant Tax System set up by God for the children of Israel.

11 The Lord said to Moses,
12 “Count the Israelites so that you will know how many people there are. Every time this is done, each man must make a payment for himself to the Lord so that nothing terrible will happen to the people.
13 Each man who is counted must pay 1/2 shekel of silver. (That is 1/2 shekel by the official measure. This shekel weighs 20 gerahs.[c]) This half shekel is an offering to the Lord.
14 Every man who is at least 20 years old must be counted. And every man who is counted must give the Lord this offering.
15 The rich must not give more than 1/2 shekel, and the poor must not give less than 1/2 shekel. All people will make the same offering to the Lord. This will be a payment for your life.
16 Gather this money from the Israelites. Use the money for the service in the Meeting Tent. This payment will be a way for the Lord to remember his people. They will be paying for their own lives.” - Exodus 30 vs 11 - 16

Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedience

24 Jesus and his followers went to Capernaum. There the men who collect the two-drachma Temple tax came to Peter and asked, “Does your teacher pay the Temple tax?”
25 Peter answered, “Yes, he does.” Peter went into the house where Jesus was. Before Peter could speak,

Jesus said to him, “The kings on the earth get different kinds of taxes from people. But who are those who pay the taxes? Are they the king’s children? Or do other people pay the taxes? What do you think?”
26 Peter answered, “The other people pay the taxes.”
Jesus said, “Then the children of the king don’t have to pay taxes - Matthew 17 vs 24 - 26

As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name.

You are however commanded to pay your taxes to the Government --- you don't pay taxes to the government in the name of Jesus Christ.

20 Then he asked, “Whose picture is on the coin? And whose name is written on the coin?”
21 They answered, “It is Caesar’s picture and Caesar’s name.” Then Jesus said to them, “Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.”
22 When they heard what Jesus said, they were amazed. They left him and went away. - Matthew 22 vs 20 -22

So, my reason for not paying tithe is simple, I value my Son of God status more than I value anything else.

MT:


Thank you. It is only the Levites that can collect tenth percent according to the tradition in Israel. Do we have any Levites in Nigeria? I dont get it. Some pastors even say God will send a devourer to eat everything you have achieved if you dont pay tithe.

Nonsense. What can pastors say about Elon Musk who is an atheist and the richest man on earth ?.

no mind them. Truth will always liberate just as the bible says. Never allow anyone use this lines on you "if you don't tithe, your life will be tight"

advanceDNA:


Sigh.....whennu want to do your own good...go and get camera like her and publisize....jesus said u have received ur only reward....which is the praise of men...if thats means i am deceiving people....so be it

so what's the difference between the lady that used her tithes to build a house for a neighbor and a pastor that would ask tithers in the church to stand up while non tithers seat in full glare of everyone in the church? Couldn't the tithe box be kept somewhere secret for those that want to tithe go in secret to tithe? Those that stand openly to tithe and stand in church to make others feel guilty because of tithing, have gotten their rewards for the open show of their giving. Some denominations go as far as having tithes card which of you default, they remind you you've not paid for this and that month. Is that also cool with you?

lookingfly:
so what's the difference between the lady that used her tithes to build a house for a neighbor and a pastor that would ask tithers in the church to stand up while non tithers seat in full glare of everyone in the church? Couldn't the tithe box be kept somewhere secret for those that want to tithe go in secret to tithe? Those that stand openly to tithe and stand in church to make others feel guilty because of tithing, have gotten their rewards for the open show of their giving. Some denominations go as far as having tithes card which of you default, they remind you you've not paid for this and that month. Is that also cool with you?

U keep whining about tithe and pastors as u read anywhere in my comment that i told her to pay tithe....... weda she did good or not she still show off like some pastors and politicians to attract the praise of men...wateva her motives are for publicity..... im juat a devil's advocate on the matter......u are the one taking to serious like i took something from you

omonnakoda:
Can you reference the scripture that backs up the statement that she has robbed God?

Malachi 3: 8 to 12. Stated it
If you still don't understand it, ask someone else

Pinkyposh:


Malachi 3: 8 to 12. Stated it
If you still don't understand it, ask someone else

Quote it

HRprof:

We still have religious gullible at this era ?? Asking for my neighbor

Those that have ears let me hear

Kobojunkie:
Is this woman an Israelite that she would be guilty of robbing God according to a law God gave as part of His National Constitution for the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20?

Our discussion here is about tithing
I don't understand the point you're trying to make

omonnakoda:
Quote it

Use your Google

Pinkyposh:

Use your Google

You made the claim back it up
No one forced you

Pinkyposh:

Our discussion here is about tithing
I don't understand the point you're trying to make

The Tithing and Offering Laws were designed by God as part of His tax System in His National Constitution for the State of Israel in the Land of Canaan - an agreement which God made only with those who have the blood of Israel(Jacob) coursing through their veins - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 30. So when God spoke to the people of the Land of Israel regarding robbing Him of taxes/tithes in the land, He spoke in reference to His agreement with them.

So my question again to you is how can this woman who is not of the blood of Israel nor living in the land of Canaan be guilty of a crime that only applies to those who are of the blood of Israel and residing in the land of Canaan among the Israelites?

How can a man in Nigeria be considered a criminal under the American constitution for a crime that only applies as far to American residents or citizens?

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Her face show and her shoe shine, na the mist senior man go bless her

advanceDNA:


U keep whining about tithe and pastors as u read anywhere in my comment that i told her to pay tithe....... weda she did good or not she still show off like some pastors and politicians to attract the prose of men...wateva her motives are for publicity..... im juat a devil's advocate on the matter......u are the one taking to serious like i took something from you

no matter how you want to hide it, it's glaring the tithe issue they pain you . What's your business with her showing off? Is it your tithe that she's using? People work for their money and they're entitled to how they spend it. Commot your eyes from people money and tithe and how they've decided to spend it wether as show off or whatever.

eagleae7:

Please sorry for asking, are you a Christian?

In Matthew 5:17 He came not to destroy the Law but fullfil it.
Show me where Jesus condemned Tithing.

It is easy to find scriptures to suit any argument because the bible and Christianity are full of contradictions

Did he also not say

“I did not come to bring peace, but a sword”

The simple truth is Christianity revoked the law

Do you know that under THE LAW women were supposed to sacrifice pigeons every time they menstruated , That pork is forbidden, that Shrimps and prawns and snails are forbidden. I could go on till tomorrow

The law requires circumcision but Christianity does not