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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:25pm On Nov 22, 2022
Ndi black water league cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 1:26pm On Nov 22, 2022
Mujtahida:
Nobody pushed this argument yesterday when Iran suffered heavy defeat in the hands of England ooo. This result is an offset, a run against the grain. It does not mean that when you have players, playing in the best leagues, you go looking for heart and pride just about everywhere oo.

In 2002, Germany walloped Saudi 8-0, in 2018 4-0 loss to Russia. In 17 World Cup appearances they have lost 11 times, drawn 5 times and won twice (including today's win)

Please before you use any template make sure it gives you consistent results.
Men I love your balanced response!!!! Your head dey dia!!! See how you referred to the Iranian game yesterday!!!! Really when one has an agenda, the analysis can never be balanced but solely focused on picking up things to bolster the agenda and make it seem like an undebatable fact.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by minfelix(m): 1:27pm On Nov 22, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Argentina na dead

Kudos to him but he won’t drag Saudi anywhere

But let’s see
Until they win there next match and egde closer b4 it will clear in ya eye
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:28pm On Nov 22, 2022
Philosopher1979:
No one is saying we should pick players from anywhere. But it is a percentage thing. Around 10 percent of players in obscure leagues are good.
Also even our players in obscure leagues are still decent. Leagues like Spanish, English second division or turkey, Belgium or Greece are still okay.
Thirdly the players in obscure leagues in our team will only be 7 or less. They will mostly be midfielders.
At the end of the day most of the team will be from top leagues. I mean 75 percent will be from top leagues
Spanish 2nd tier is not ok at all cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy

Ayam in my haus come n beat me
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida:
Philosopher1979:
No one is saying we should pick players from anywhere. But it is a percentage thing. Around 10 percent of players in obscure leagues are good.
Also even our players in obscure leagues are still decent. Leagues like Spanish, English second division or turkey, Belgium or Greece are still okay.
Thirdly the players in obscure leagues in our team will only be 7 or less. They will mostly be midfielders.
At the end of the day most of the team will be from top leagues. I mean 75 percent will be from top leagues
I do not support picking players from obscure leagues. That is not a criteria for picking players because then the coach will just pick about any player from an obscure league to satisfy that criteria. Pick quality players not local born or foreign born. That's the only criteria I know.

If you are Argentina, you will pick the players the Argentinean coach picked. If you are Saudi Arabia, you will pick the players Herve Renard picked.

What you guys are saying is that just so to satisfy certain not so well thought out selection scheme, you will just go pick players from anywhere so long as he satisfies a criteria other than quality.

Previously Brazil and Argentina used to pick players from their local leagues. Abeg can anybody point out any player in those teams now that comes from the local leagues or obscure leagues? Admittedly we are not at their level but the point still remains that the guiding principle of selection is quality. And Saudi Arabia is not an exemplar of your argument until they are consistent in using their local league players to win consistently at the international stage.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 1:28pm On Nov 22, 2022
AndSunGorilla:
It is not the players oga, I strongly believe coaching has been our problem for a while now. Coaching and also organization majorly.
Oga no be coaching go teach u basics of aw to pass and play with each oda,dis has been lacking in our games ever since,even d games we win ,na mostly from counters...deres something fundamentally wrong with our team dt needs urgent attention.
I am not talking about d coaching aspect now,but d team itself.haven’t u seen oda teams play? Even in defeats u enjoy deir game

But in. Our own case,one minute we have d ball, d next one or two minutes,d opponent have retrieved it
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:29pm On Nov 22, 2022
AndSunGorilla:
Men I love your balanced response!!!! Your head dey dia!!! See how you referred to the Iranian game yesterday!!!! Really when one has an agenda, the analysis can never be balanced but solely focused on picking up things to bolster the agenda and make it seem like an undebatable fact.
paid agenda ooo cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:31pm On Nov 22, 2022
charlesemeka85:
Ndi black water league cheesy
We get tribesmen here
Some belong to FB tribe
Some local born tribe
Some obscure league tribe

Me I think in terms of quality. And as regards that I know that the best are found where the quality is high. It's not just in football. It's the law of nature captured in Darwins insightful statement that survival is for the fittest.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 1:32pm On Nov 22, 2022
elyte89:
Oga no be coaching go teach u basics of aw to pass and play with each oda,dis has been lacking in our games ever since,even d games we win ,na mostly from counters...deres something fundamentally wrong with our team dt needs urgent attention.
I am not talking about d coaching aspect now,but d team itself.haven’t u seen oda teams play? Even in defeats u enjoy deir game

But in. Our own case,one minute we have d ball, d next one or two minutes,d opponent have retrieved it
But coaching will make sure the right set of players start.coaching will make sure if some players are. Ot cutting it, other new ones are sought out. That is what I mean sir. Coaching will gather players, know their strengths and weakness and play to their strengths. In the days when we had okocha, kanu at their best, this same Herve Renard coached Zambia beat us at the ANC. This same Renard coached a Zambian team that beat one of the greatest Ivorian teams with Drogba, the Toure brothers at their prime sir. Coaching is very very important.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:35pm On Nov 22, 2022
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:36pm On Nov 22, 2022
Mujtahida:
We get tribesmen here
Some belong to FB tribe
Some local born tribe
Some obscure league tribe

Me I think in terms of quality. And as regards that I know that the best are found where the quality is high. It's not just in football. It's the law of nature captured in Darwins insightful statement that survival is for the fittest.
leave pple wey dey blind. I wonder that coach that will ignore a good player in big league in europe doing well to pick one from Spanish or German 2nd tier cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Samueltemi337(m): 1:36pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
Where the luxury of players when we get ?

I’m not seeing 5 of our players being signed for 35 mill

So where’s the luxury?

You and i know the value of top teams and top players and ours is no top team, we have a handful of good players that’s it.

Don’t make it sound like we’re Senegal or Ivory Coast

We’re washed super eagles and made a name for ourselves true individual brilliance right from time till date we have to philosophy or technical play where we’re strong at.
Senegal or ivory coast?

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Goke7: 1:37pm On Nov 22, 2022
Sportilitica:
Also bear in mind how coordinated their defence was
their bodies were everywhere cos their minds were in the game, can't say the same for the eagles we've been parading in the last few years. The last time we saw something similar was in Keshi's team
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 1:39pm On Nov 22, 2022
charlesemeka85:
to our own standard I mean African standard we have enough players doing pretty well in the best leagues in europe

So you are insinuating we ignore them inorder to bring in ones from obscure leagues in europe and Asia?

Change topic abeg cheesy
I love you but quiet your mouth isn’t it enough time for a change huh

2015 till this day has been one failure after another and you still want to stick with the old standards of things ?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:42pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
Where the luxury of players when we get ?

I’m not seeing 5 of our players being signed for 35 mill

So where’s the luxury?

You and i know the value of top teams and top players and ours is no top team, we have a handful of good players that’s it.

Don’t make it sound like we’re Senegal or Ivory Coast

We’re washed super eagles and made a name for ourselves true individual brilliance right from time till date we have to philosophy or technical play where we’re strong at.
In life perspective is important. Luxury comparative to Saudi. To answer your question, answer this question. When you do you will get your answer.

If you are Nigeria's coach which players will you pick. List them side by side their clubs. Do the same with Saudi Arabia. You will understand what luxury I'm talking about.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by jihday(m): 1:43pm On Nov 22, 2022
AndSunGorilla:
But coaching will make sure the right set of players start.coaching will make sure if some players are. Ot cutting it, other new ones are sought out. That is what I mean sir. Coaching will gather players, know their strengths and weakness and play to their strengths. In the days when we had okocha, kanu at their best, this same Herve Renard coached Zambia beat us at the ANC. This same Renard coached a Zambian team that beat one of the greatest Ivorian teams with Drogba, the Toure brothers at their prime sir. Coaching is very very important.
we played Renard’s Zambia in 2010 a game we won via PK but they were the better side that day
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Goke7: 1:43pm On Nov 22, 2022
Mujtahida:
Nobody pushed this argument yesterday when Iran suffered heavy defeat in the hands of England ooo. This result is an offset, a run against the grain. It does not mean that when you have players, playing in the best leagues, you go looking for heart and pride just about everywhere oo.

In 2002, Germany walloped Saudi 8-0, in 2018 4-0 loss to Russia. In 17 World Cup appearances they have lost 11 times, drawn 5 times and won twice (including today's win)

Please before you use any template make sure it gives you consistent results.
The Iranians were not in that game abeg, I was so disappointed in what they played. The same Iran that gave us a headache in 2014 when we played a draw before we went ahead to defeat Serbia in our second game. Na raffle draw England win yesterday. The Saudis were in this game and defended with their lives until the end despite the extended injury time. When Iran even tried to go forward, we saw little damage to the English defence

No comparison jor
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 1:43pm On Nov 22, 2022
Samueltemi337:
Senegal or ivory coast?
Just imagine the nonsense hype around this team grin grin grin grin grin grin

See void value all na scam. Only osimehn and iwobi worth their value there, the rest na bunch of scams

Sign them at your own peril. grin grin angry
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 1:47pm On Nov 22, 2022
Yeye Argentina. No more Nigeria to stat pad against.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 1:47pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
I love you but quiet your mouth isn’t it enough time for a change huh

2015 till this day has been one failure after another and you still want to stick with the old standards of things ?
Wc foolish standards sef, d so called best in Europe dt can’t keep d ball for more Dan 2-3minutes is d best?

Abeg ,I support u,we can’t continue dis way,it’s eida Dey re not committed enough or feel too relaxed ,after all ,7years now no trophy ,so y stick to a standard dts obviously not working,just going down d drain as d year keeps going

I doubt even if we can win d 2024 afcon with dis so called “our standard players”
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:47pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
I love you but quiet your mouth isn’t it enough time for a change huh

2015 till this day has been one failure after another and you still want to stick with the old standards of things ?
which old standard? Baba super eagles problem of late na coaching problem

With the right tactics and team selection the team will fare better

A team that can boast of

Iwobi- epl
Bassey- Dutch league
Lookman- serie A
Onuachu- Belgium
Onyeka- epl
Osimhen- serie A
Zaidu- Portugal
Aina- seria A
Ebuehi- seria A
Ndidi- epl
Denis- epl
Chukwueze- laliga
Awoniyi- epl
Simon- ligue 1
Moffi- ligue 1
Aribo- epl
Alhassan- Belgium
Onyedika- Belgium
Ekong- championship
Ajayi- championship
Akpos- bundesliga
Ejike-bundesliga


Just to mention those I can remember now should be ignored inorder to accommodate obscure league players?

Una funny cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:48pm On Nov 22, 2022
cheesy
Amedino99:
Yeye Argentina. No more Nigeria to stat pad against.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Amedino99(m): 1:50pm On Nov 22, 2022
AndSunGorilla:
Waoh, I no know say this thread strong and powerful like that o!!! So na we dey select the players wey dey play, na we be coach, na we be NFF, wonderment!!!!
so you didn't know??. Never doubt our gargantuan reach sir. We are very powerful gan
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 1:51pm On Nov 22, 2022
Mujtahida:
In life perspective is important. Luxury comparative to Saudi. To answer your question, answer this question. When you do you will get your answer.

If you are Nigeria's coach which players will you pick. List them side by side their clubs. Do the same with Saudi Arabia. You will understand what luxury I'm talking about.
Stop contradicting yourself oga dozens of pages back I’ve already said that we should be done with this current SE team at least most of the players all of the GK and the gk keeping staffs should be dropped.

Take Germanys approach at the confederation 2017 conferderations cup

Mix old and new drop some regular starters that aren’t performing from the team permanently. Let the miss out and find their passion again and come back stronger simple.


Because no matter what etebo plays or whatever he plays he’ll get picked over upcoming and more exciting talent. Same thing with chukwueze and everyone else. They’re too comfortable once you know you can easily be replaced by a cheaper and more efficient option you tend to bring your best out.

What I’m saying we are all adults and we know wishful thinking and winning team.

Saudi is not a winning team.

Nigeria is a broken project
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
No one is saying we should pack the team with players from backwater leagues. Stop twisting the focus point.

The point remains, "FOCUS on the Best from tactical and technical POVs"

In Nigeria's Talents pool situation CURRENTLY, It is IMPOSSIBLE that everything we need to make the Super Eagles great and evolved into a truly world class team is found within the Top 5 leagues alone.


▶️We have Osimhen, Moffi, Lookman, Zaidu, Iwobi, Onyeka, Ndidi and many more within the Top 5 leagues. They all matter and will always make the squad coz they have the quality we need from different technical perspectives.

▶️Outside the Top 5 leagues, we still have Bassey, Abbas, Onuachu, Alhassan, Onyedika, etc.

Bassey regularly gets called up but there are others in this category who also deserves serious lookins going forward for the tactical/technical upliftment of the Super Eagles.

▶️And ofcos we also have very few quality that can add to us but are found in one or two Division 2 leagues. Example is Semi Ajayi who has always been a regular callup.


Now, it is first about what these lads can offer and how they can make us stronger tactically and make our plays more synchronically pleasing.


Truth is if we do focus on quality first, several of the players in the top 5 leagues would still AUTOMATICALLY be RIGHTLY selected but a good number outside the top 5 leagues and even a few in the second division leagues will creep in. The best is to be selected only.


From the tactically balanced best, we can easily build and implement a playing philosophy. Playing philosophies aren't built on players who cannot even hold or pass the ball.


I belong to a field interwoven with various courses in science and medicine where the best is NORMALLY found outside Africa but in my case, I was within Africa when I bagged a special classified research scholarship in the biomedical world beating out tough competition from Asia, other parts of Africa and parts of Europe. How I did it? I studied. I prepped up. My mentality right from childhood was always to measure myself by World class standards and not by the standards of my immediate institutional environment.

That is how I bagged that research scholarship. Was I European or America-based. Nope... I was African-based and I still kicked asses.

My point? The best or some of the best can also be found outside the normal concentration of high quality talents. Don't be deceived. I am a living example in my own field.

Gracias.

#Qatar2022DiariesMD
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 1:52pm On Nov 22, 2022
charlesemeka85:
which old standard? Baba super eagles problem of late na coaching problem

With the right tactics and team selection the team will fare better

A team that can boast of

Iwobi- epl
Bassey- Dutch league
Lookman- serie A
Onuachu- Belgium
Onyeka- epl
Osimhen- Napoli
Zaidu- Portugal
Aina- seria A
Ebuehi- seria A
Ndidi- epl
Denis- epl
Chukwueze- laliga
Awoniyi- epl
Simon- ligue 1
Moffi- ligue 1
Aribo- epl
Alhassan- Belgium
Onyedika- Belgium
Ekong- championship
Ajayi- championship
Akpos- bundesliga
Ejike-bundesliga


Just to mention those I can remember now should be ignored inorder to accommodate obscure league players?

Una funny cheesy
All these talents wow shocked shocked shocked

I need to support the greatest team on earth which is super eagles . With such talents like this we can beat all of Europe and South America combined
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:54pm On Nov 22, 2022
cheesy
typicalgamer:
Just imagine the nonsense hype around this team grin grin grin grin grin grin

See void value all na scam. Only osimehn and iwobi worth their value there, the rest na bunch of scams

Sign them at your own peril. grin grin angry
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:54pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
All these talents wow shocked shocked shocked

I need to support the greatest team on earth which is super eagles . With such talents like this we can beat all of Europe and South America combined
shey you Dey whine me eeeee oooooo shey u Dey whine me cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:55pm On Nov 22, 2022
Nawaooooo cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by typicalgamer(m): 1:56pm On Nov 22, 2022
elyte89:
Wc foolish standards sef, d so called best in Europe dt can’t keep d ball for more Dan 2-3minutes is d best?

Abeg ,I support u,we can’t continue dis way,it’s eida Dey re not committed enough or feel too relaxed ,after all ,7years now no trophy ,so y stick to a standard dts obviously not working,just going down d drain as d year keeps going

I doubt even if we can win d 2024 afcon with dis so called “our standard players”
No be doubt matter our boys are just too comfortable. If there’s regular rotation of them enh trust me you go need to hold down your spot

Same faces same faces same faces
Same results same results same results

And we good universal class players just imagine
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:56pm On Nov 22, 2022
C2
Goke7:
The Iranians were not in that game abeg, I was so disappointed in what they played. The same Iran that gave us a headache in 2014 when we played a draw before we went ahead to defeat Serbia in our second game. Na raffle draw England win yesterday. The Saudis were in this game and defended with their lives until the end despite the extended injury time. When Iran even tried to go forward, we saw little damage to the English defence

No comparison jor
Before you use any template, make sure it gives you consistent results. No go follow Saudi Arabia ginger oooo. Look their history.

Like TheGoodJoe will say do not look at results. Look at philosophy, look at systems, pick up patterns
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 1:57pm On Nov 22, 2022
typicalgamer:
No be doubt matter our boys are just too comfortable. If there’s regular rotation of them enh trust me you go need to hold down your spot

Same faces same faces same faces
Same results same results same results

And we good universal class players just imagine
being too comfortable is the issue not that they aren’t talented or good anymore
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