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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by benji93: 10:33pm On Dec 06, 2022
Let me get this straight. A very successful team looks at a goalkeeper first because they are good with their feet and not because they are really good with their hands? Being good with your feet separates you from other goalkeepers who are equally (close enough that you can go either way) very proficient in the majority of traditional goalkeeping skills. You must first belong to the category of goalkeepers who are the most competent on duty.
The question is not about what you can do with your feet. I am sure many of us appreciate the bonus of a goalkeeper being good with his feet.
No be by force to play high line.
Maybe na just me, but you seem to be throwing the word 'most important', 'first' around too much. Maybe you just like those phrases/words.
TheGoodJoe:

You can not play a high line with possession without a goalkeeper that is good with his feet. That is the most important thing that is needed. With such a keeper, you get fewer shots and require fewer saves.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:33pm On Dec 06, 2022
TheGoodJoe:
This is an outdated discussion. Would have added up if you were arguing this five years ago.

Why do you think Manchester City got Ederson? Why do you think Manuel Neuer was nominated for Ballon D'or. Why do you think Chelsea spent humongous sum on Arizabalaga?

It is because first, these guys are brilliant with their feet
This is an upside down logic and I do not need any sort of evidence to know that these goalkeepers were not bought for the FIRST reason that they are good with their feet.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Joebie: 10:34pm On Dec 06, 2022
You sef don settle for afobear chants eh?
Mujtahida:
1994. And that one last till Rohr era. We go soon resurrect. We are like a Phoenix
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 10:34pm On Dec 06, 2022
ChrisKels:
Sometimes you sound really stupid thinking you being funny.
Ode ni guy yi grin grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 10:36pm On Dec 06, 2022
andrewbaba44:
E be like say Portugal go win Morocco ooo

Abeg Wetin una think ?
Men, Portugal just started the tournament now. I hope Aguerd and Saiss will be fit enough, barring a red card, Morocco at least won't capitulate like the Swiss. But for me, Morocco are clearly the underdogs in this QF.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:39pm On Dec 06, 2022
Odunayaw:
Outdated discussion by you? grin

Hear greats like Buffon
Thank you for this excerpt. The last sentence of which neatly summarizes my sentiments
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 10:41pm On Dec 06, 2022
Joebie:
You sef don settle for afobear chants eh?
Leave Afo oo. I be diehard eagles fan. It's just that I know how we stand presently but we will rise again
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:41pm On Dec 06, 2022
cheesy
AndSunGorilla:
so now you know how it feels, one time you una dey call a whole Jude ABF, may Amadioha forgive you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 10:55pm On Dec 06, 2022
ChrisKels:
Sometimes you sound really stupid thinking you being funny.
Apologies for the reference to the Igbo deity, the god of thunder. As I said earlier, peace my man, once again no vex for that reference.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by AndSunGorilla: 10:57pm On Dec 06, 2022
typicalgamer:
What did the YouTuber say to him ??
Chairman at Eto's level, it doesn't matter what is said to him. Based on his achievements and his current office, he lives in a glass house now. He can't afford to throw stones.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:11pm On Dec 06, 2022
elyte89:
Wc one bro?



A midfield dt can hold d ball and transit quickly to d forwards,bro ,we never get midfield. Aside a rejuvenated iwobi ,who else do we have in d midfield

A stagnant ndidi dt refuse to grow in his style of play

Who again? D BrentFord guy? Not yet proven club Brugge guy? Bro , we neva get midfield
Iwobi, Nwakali, Alhassan, Etebo, Onyedika etc.
Do you want these guys to play for the likes of Real Madrid before deeming them good.

We have a good midfield.
How many S.E games has seen Iwobi in midfield?
How many games have seen a combination of Iwobi and Etebo in midfield. I am not even to discussing the other midfielders that i listed.
At least we saw Mikel-Etebo combination and the synergy it produced, a synergy that benefited the likes of Victor Moses
Our problems have always been selecting the wrong personnel and making very poor combinations of them.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m):
charlesemeka85:
imagine a 35 years old amrabat outplaying the trio of Barca’s pedri,gavi and busquet in midfield

cheesy
cool
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m):
TheGoodJoe:
What you are missing is growth. With time, they will sort turning their insane amount of possession to insane chances created.
what you're missing out is Asian and African opponents have hacked it totally. If they don't restructure, beating Spain will be a normal for both continents. Na World Cup not League.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:24pm On Dec 06, 2022
Mujtahida:
This is an upside down logic and I do not need any sort of evidence to know that these goalkeepers were not bought for the FIRST reason that they are good with their feet.

You don't need evidence? So, you rely on only what you think you know. Meaning your have no room to learn.

Ederson is in Manchester City because of his feet first. Same with other top sweeper keepers. You can not play possession football without a keeper that is good with his feet. This is basic knowledge.

No wonder you detest tiki-taka because you are not ready to look to see its phenomenal beauty.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Ogochuks101: 11:26pm On Dec 06, 2022
AndSunGorilla:
The commentator am listening to, na craze man. He said 'the grand daddy of them all has gotten a goal!!!!, "Pepe old enough to be the father of first goal scorer". Is it a crime to be grow old?
Peter Drury lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:26pm On Dec 06, 2022
daveP:
what you're missing out is Asian and African opponents have hacked it totally. If they don't restructure, beating Spain will be a normal for both continents. Ba World Cup not League.

They have not hacked anything. It is just a basic park bus win. It is normal and has been done for long. Roberto Di Matteo used a park bus system to beat Guardiola's barcelona. Did that mean they have hacked the system.

If they play ten times, Spain will win more. If Spain scored an early goal, Morocco won't have it easy to go past them.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:26pm On Dec 06, 2022
komekn:
It's quite possible the NFF may have invested more onto football ⚽ than the Moroccan FA.

However, that investment in Nigeria usually ends up in the deep pockets of individuals. That's the difference in addition service to the NFF is seen as a tool for self enrichment.
Quite possiblehuh Absolutely not!!!!! I doubt any of them oversaw such 100m dollar cash flow under Pinnick. Maigari era though.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:28pm On Dec 06, 2022
benji93:
Let me get this straight. A very successful team looks at a goalkeeper first because they are good with their feet and not because they are really good with their hands? Being good with your feet separates you from other goalkeepers who are equally (close enough that you can go either way) very proficient in the majority of traditional goalkeeping skills. You must first belong to the category of goalkeepers who are the most competent on duty.
The question is not about what you can do with your feet. I am sure many of us appreciate the bonus of a goalkeeper being good with his feet.
No be by force to play high line.
Maybe na just me, but you seem to be throwing the word 'most important', 'first' around too much. Maybe you just like those phrases/words.

You can't play heavy possession football without a keeper that is good with his feet. It is impossible. So when going for a goalkeeper, you first look at how good he is with his feet because amazing reflexes with his hands will not help the team.

Gerrit?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:30pm On Dec 06, 2022
benji93:
Let me get this straight. A very successful team looks at a goalkeeper first because they are good with their feet and not because they are really good with their hands? Being good with your feet separates you from other goalkeepers who are equally (close enough that you can go either way) very proficient in the majority of traditional goalkeeping skills. You must first belong to the category of goalkeepers who are the most competent on duty.
The question is not about what you can do with your feet. I am sure many of us appreciate the bonus of a goalkeeper being good with his feet.
No be by force to play high line.
Maybe na just me, but you seem to be throwing the word 'most important', 'first' around too much. Maybe you just like those phrases/words.

No one says it is by force to play a high line. The point is that most top teams are now going for coaches that are versed at coaching the high line. Most top teams play heavy-possession football. So, most top teams will go for keepers that are first very good with their feet.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:31pm On Dec 06, 2022
Mujtahida:
Spain = swegbe
grin

Make dem dey throw Walid up every match. Semis for me. Spain can goan learn Honor from Ramos.

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:35pm On Dec 06, 2022
Odunayaw:
Outdated discussion by you? grin

Hear greats like Buffon

If you read attentively, you will know that Buffon is actually saying exactly what I posted.

Buffon is complaining about keepers who are better (better reflexes) being dropped for what he sees as weaker keepers because they are better with the feet.

That is exactly what I am saying. The feet are more important to modern-day football.

Then Buffon himself acknowledged that he has always been good with his feet. Why his why he could fit into the modern game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:36pm On Dec 06, 2022
COOL10:
The problem isn't the style of play. Possession football is one of the beautiful brands of football out there. I personally see it as the most beautiful. It totally epitomizes what team work should stand for and Football is a team sport after all.


The problem lies in not having the right kind of players to suit the system. There's no Xavi and Iniesta to organize things and lob those dangerous balls into the box. There's no De Bruyne to make those crosses from the half space to the far post. There's no Fabregas to roam around the 'D' (arc) of the opponent's box. There's no Messi-Jordi Alba relationship and understanding.

Today, Enrique started Llorente as a RB when there's an Azpilicueta who despite his old age, still has it in him to deliver dangerous crosses into the box. Rodri has been playing as a Centre Back in order to accommodate Busquets as a DM. Morata has been on fire in this world cup but was benched for Asensio. Gavi and Pedri are great but they're no Xavi and Iniesta.


If you want to play possession football, you need the right players.
There's a reason Guardiola has spent more than a billion acquiring players.
Lol.

I want to say alot but I'll not. Let me just say they had all the time in the world to acquire players. Same time as the teams that beat them in this tournament. To me, this is a silly excuse for an outdated and hacked system in modern football. If Tiki will continue to look for players, dem go tey. Guess what?? grin

Other styles and countries will be upgrading more effective styles that gives ease and transition and allow fans get entertainment.


TikiTaka in Modern time is a Scalar Quantity-Dave P, 2022.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:43pm On Dec 06, 2022
TheGoodJoe:

They have not hacked anything. It is just a basic park bus win. It is normal and has been done for long. Roberto Di Matteo used a park bus system to beat Guardiola's barcelona. Did that mean they have hacked the system.

If they play ten times, Spain will win more. If Spain scored an early goal, Morocco won't have it easy to go past them.

Finito.
All i see are lots of if if if and if.

The reality before us is better than if. Nice one there for undermining big wins that were well fought for and rightly won without a scent of favourtism or ojoro. Nice one o.

Spain win-its normal
Opponent win spain-basic park bus system.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by daveP(m): 11:46pm On Dec 06, 2022
Ppogbae:
Honestly. The tactic should've been buried after their ouster from Group stage at the 2014 World Cup.
Like Netherlands tore them apart with ease and discipline. Still one of the biggest wins in modern football at World cup between superpowers in the game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 11:51pm On Dec 06, 2022
Mujtahida:
All that build from the back is nonsense. Pass ball or kick it into the air. GKs have been doing either of these two for ages. Now if the emphasis is on passing it to a player in your own half, pass it and mind your post.
I have seen all the players they say are good with their feet... It's about 5% of the keeper's game

Unnecessarily majoring on the minor
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 11:53pm On Dec 06, 2022
benji93:
Maybe na just me, but you seem to be throwing the word 'most important', 'first' around too much. Maybe you just like those phrases/words.
It's not just you. He uses those words as if some Council of High Football made some rules we don't know of
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Odunayaw(m): 12:03am On Dec 07, 2022
TheGoodJoe:

If you read attentively, you will know that Buffon is actually saying exactly what I posted.

Buffon is complaining about keepers who are better (better reflexes) being dropped for what he sees as weaker keepers because they are better with the feet.

That is exactly what I am saying. The feet are more important to modern-day football.

Then Buffon himself acknowledged that he has always been good with his feet. Why his why he could fit into the modern game.
Your problem is that when you enter argument mode [which you're always in anyway] you choose not to see anything aside any point you're making

How did you see all the cap you typed in this simple submission

"Today there is this great – in my opinion, exaggerated – focus on how keepers play the ball with their feet; how they need to pass and move with their other team-mates. I myself, ever since I was a kid, was an atypical goalkeeper. I often had this role of being a 'libero', playing with my feet a lot. At times, honestly, I did it in an excessive way. Despite that, I MAINTAIN ONE THING: if you lose that true attention, that sincere focus on being a good goalkeeper – which means stopping shots, knowing how to come out for a high ball, understanding how you approach a low ball as you come off your line – then, for me, YOU’RE BEING ASKED TO TOTALLY GO AGAINST YOUR NATURAL ROLE"
Despite playing with my feet, I maintain ONE not two things.

And that thing is the NATURAL ROLE

...If you ask me, I would say that every great team – or at least the teams that have won – has always had a great keeper WHO KNOWS HOW TO MAKE SAVES FIRST OF ALL. After that, if they can do things with their feet then sure, that is even better."
Teams that win ALWAYS have a great keeper who knows how to makes saves first of all

Finito
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 1:22am On Dec 07, 2022
elyte89:
Wc one bro?



A midfield dt can hold d ball and transit quickly to d forwards,bro ,we never get midfield. Aside a rejuvenated iwobi ,who else do we have in d midfield

A stagnant ndidi dt refuse to grow in his style of play

Who again? D BrentFord guy? Not yet proven club Brugge guy? Bro , we neva get midfield
Ds Bobo and rubbish talk saaa! You no dey tire wt it nonsense talk. You 4 enter field play am. Keep quiet wereyyy!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:30am On Dec 07, 2022
Odunayaw:
Your problem is that when you enter argument mode [which you're always in anyway] you choose not to see anything aside any point you're making

How did you see all the cap you typed in this simple submission


Despite playing with my feet, I maintain ONE not two things.

And that thing is the NATURAL ROLE

Teams that win ALWAYS have a great keeper who knows how to makes saves first of all

Finito

What you posting there does not contradict the point. Buffon is telling you that today, top teams prefer coaches today prefer goalkeepers that are good with their feet. In his opinion, that emphasis is exaggerated.

Buffon is saying, today, coaches prefer players good with their feet.

He is not cotradicting my point.

He is saying that if you look back over the years, great keepers with hands played a big part in the teams success. No one is denying that.

We are not talking of yesteryears. We are talking of today's modern game. Keepers must be first good with the feet. Whether Buffon considers it exaggerated or not, it is a norm today.

The post does not contradict my point.

FINITO.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:34am On Dec 07, 2022
Odunayaw:
Your problem is that when you enter argument mode [which you're always in anyway] you choose not to see anything aside any point you're making

How did you see all the cap you typed in this simple submission


Despite playing with my feet, I maintain ONE not two things.

And that thing is the NATURAL ROLE

Teams that win ALWAYS have a great keeper who knows how to makes saves first of all

Finito
The point is that today, modern top teams prefer coaches that are good with their feet. It is what they look out for first. Your post does not disagree with that fact. Buffon is saying he does not agree with it but that is the modern way of top coaches.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:36am On Dec 07, 2022
daveP:
All i see are lots of if if if and if.

The reality before us is better than if. Nice one there for undermining big wins that were well fought for and rightly won without a scent of favourtism or ojoro. Nice one o.

Spain win-its normal
Opponent win spain-basic park bus system.

Yep. Basic park bus. That is why Di Matteo and the likes hardly coach top clubs and lack long history of consistent wins. No top club will take them because the clubs know that these guys do not offer consistency.

Finito.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 4:39am On Dec 07, 2022
COOL10:
The problem isn't the style of play. Possession football is one of the beautiful brands of football out there. I personally see it as the most beautiful. It totally epitomizes what team work should stand for and Football is a team sport after all.

The problem lies in not having the right kind of players to suit the system. There's no Xavi and Iniesta to organize things and lob those dangerous balls into the box. There's no De Bruyne to make those crosses from the half space to the far post. There's no Fabregas to roam around the 'D' (arc) of the opponent's box. There's no Messi-Jordi Alba relationship and understanding.

Today, Enrique started Llorente as a RB when there's an Azpilicueta who despite his old age, still has it in him to deliver dangerous crosses into the box. Rodri has been playing as a Centre Back in order to accommodate Busquets as a DM. Morata has been on fire in this world cup but was benched for Asensio. Gavi and Pedri are great but they're no Xavi and Iniesta.


If you want to play possession football, you need the right players. There's a reason Guardiola has spent more than a billion acquiring players.

Also, as long as these players keep working on it and growing this way, they will get better and with time start dominating. That is the beauty of the system.
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