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grandstar:
GreaterFuture
I had an aunty who probably got there late 1970s. By 1983, she was raising 3 children there. She brought 2 sons with her probably aged 2 and 3 when coming birthed a 3rd child, a girl by 1983. Then she was staying in a council flat.

By 1992, she already had a 4th child, a girl which was her last.

Around 1993, she decided to come to Nigeria stating that she had a revelation from God to do so, to preach the word. She left her children in the UK except the last born who she brought along with her.

Her evangelical mission to Nigeria got nowhere. She had to become super frugal to survive with her daughter. She later sent her daughter back but i am not sure of the time.

She traveled back in 2003. My sister paid for the ticket. She had been kind to us when she was in the UK.

In 2008, her oldest son she brought along with her to the UK was deported to Nigeria. She never regularized his papers. I won't be surprised if ihis deportation was violence related as he's autistic and prone to fights.

His younger brother too was deported, probably around 2010. I'm sure it was crime related as the guy loves drugs and he is very unserious. He however has a very mild and gentle character. His papers too were never regularised.

Note: We were never informed they were deported. But their coming back and never returning made absolutely no sense. Their British accents are very strong. They don't belong here.

Her abandoning them in England when she came back to Nigeria in 1993 took its toll on the boys. Yorubas say what they don't teach you at home, they'll teach you in the street.

Upon her return to the UK in 2003, I am not sure what happened but later on, I think she started receiving a monthly pension from the government there, and also a flat. From that, she was sending money to her sons in Nigeria regularly.

She died recently. I doubt she left anything behind, whether in the UK or in Nigeria, but she was a contented person. Her monthly pensions would have been sufficient for her.

She was a very lovely person that made some rather big mistakes for which she and her children paid the price.

I can never forget her smile. God bless her soul. I am glad she is sleeping in peace (Read Eccl 9:5,10)

If your aunt was a citizen, how is it possible that her kids didn't automatically become citizens too?

Their papers didn't need to be "regularized"

bdon123:
Did u jst say build house abroad?dem no dey build house jst like that bro...they buy houses .I agree wit u, UK is hard,n doesn't giv mch room for one to get rich.

I said buy house in IGANDO. Google where igando dey.

Sirqt5:
we not talkin abt wealthy folks , we talkin abt d op . citizenship by investing costs up to $1,200,000 (3,889,739,784.00 ₦ ) in some countries . it's not given out cheaply to wealthy folks either

You obviously don't know what you're talking about sef. If you have between 150k to 300k, you will get it in certain countries. Dominican Republic is $100k.
Dominican Passport will allow you enter the UK, France, Germany, visa free.
1 am not talking about them say, I have people who have gotten it.

Sirqt5:
we not talkin abt wealthy folks , we talkin abt d op . citizenship by investing costs up to $1,200,000 (3,889,739,784.00 ₦ ) in some countries . it's not given out cheaply to wealthy folks either

Where did you get N3.8 billion naira from? How much is a $? You can get citizenship of some countries with 100k to 500k usd as rightly stated. There are still some countries that are cheap with the ‘investment to citizenship’ route.

You have good observations.
You should know that moving from your village to lagos does not make you rich automatically.

The same lagos was where little educated doyin agbamu, eleganza okaya and some others became billionaire.

Many hard working people turned to millionaires also.

While loads of other people are just managing to exist.

Money does not appear in your pocket just because you wake up in London, Paris or New York. One has to work very hard to get money. Even harder than your home country because there is no way to steal money like third world countries.

There is lot and lots of money in abroad.
If you are doing reasonably well by been hard working guy you can go to bank and borrow fifty or even hundred million naira worth of money without collateral.

It might be just any job, cleaner, waiter etc.

God save the king.

GreaterFuture:
Sorry I couldn't post this in travel section, I've been banned there till next year
All of us want to japa, right, but lets talk about another angle...

Something occurred to me that I wanted to share, do you know any immediate close family members, blood relatives or friends that have been living in the UK for over 25 years, the eldest, a 90+ old woman, living there for over 65 years and they have no achievements?
Like no house there, no Sure Jobs, only one has a Child, the remaining are unmarried with no children
Except the old woman of course, whose children are the ones we are talking of
The youngest, a 35yr old man, has nothing, lived there since he was 2, 3 years

No Money, living from paycheck to paycheck, odd jobs. No investment, property, House or whatever, nothing nothing in Nigeria either...

All these people have British Passports o, all of them

These are pure capitalist economy, you work your arse off to enjoy the good things of life,the day you stop working, you are finished,at retirement, you must relocate back home to enjoy your retirement, that's if you're the type that built a house and invest back.home.

GreaterFuture:
Sorry I couldn't post this in travel section, I've been banned there till next year
All of us want to japa, right, but lets talk about another angle...

Something occurred to me that I wanted to share, do you know any immediate close family members, blood relatives or friends that have been living in the UK for over 25 years, the eldest, a 90+ old woman, living there for over 65 years and they have no achievements?
Like no house there, no Sure Jobs, only one has a Child, the remaining are unmarried with no children
Except the old woman of course, whose children are the ones we are talking of
The youngest, a 35yr old man, has nothing, lived there since he was 2, 3 years

No Money, living from paycheck to paycheck, odd jobs. No investment, property, House or whatever, nothing nothing in Nigeria either...

All these people have British Passports o, all of them

is common. But your perspective of achievement is not the same with theirs. You might build a house in Nigeria and someone travel to 100 countries. The one who travelled has achieved as well. Besides when you live in Uk you would not want to come back and live in Nigeria with all its chaos. N8gerians always believe in money in the bank, you know amassing wealth and properties but what of living good, quality and a sane life in an organized society?
Look at the BBN guy that died, probably had millions in the Bank but died due to negigence.
If this happened to a homeless man in Uk, ambulance will land and take him to hospital then emergency doctors will work all round to make sure he survives. This is somebody that is poor but treated like a king. Uk is the greatest leveller, a model society to follow. So therefore many people dont care about marriage, houses, cars and money in the bank, they just want to live in a society that has their interest at heart.

juman:
Money does not appear in your pocket just because you wake up in London, Paris or New York. One has to work very hard to get money. Even harder than your home country because there is no way to steal money like third world countries.

There is lot and lots of money in abroad.
If you are doing reasonably well by been hard working guy you can go to bank and borrow fifty or even hundred million naira worth of money without collateral.

It might be just any job, cleaner, waiter etc.

God save the king.

No one gives you a loan without collateral.
My brother, shishi, you can't borrow in the UK. You're a black man from one of its colonies, you are same with Pakis, Indians and others.

In the US, you can start a business and borrow against equipment and assets you want to buy for your business. You're borrowing against your business. In the UK, you will do menial and bottom-barrel jobs till you get old.

You mostly see UK people talk about how much they are being paid. Slave's wages for modern slaves.

jesmond3945:
is common. But your perspective of achievement is not the same with theirs. You might build a house in Nigeria and someone travel to 100 countries. The one who travelled has achieved as well. Besides when you live in Uk you would not want to come back and live in Nigeria with all its chaos. N8gerians always believe in money in the bank, you know amassing wealth and properties but what of living good, quality and a sane life in an organized society?
Look at the BBN guy that died, probably had millions in the Bank but died due to negigence.
If this happened to a homeless man in Uk, ambulance will land and take him to hospital then emergency doctors will work all round to make sure he survives. This is somebody that is poor but treated like a king. Uk is the greatest leveller, a model society to follow. So therefore many people dont care about marriage, houses, cars and money in the bank, they just want to live in a society that has their interest at heart.

Let me ask you some questions. Where in the UK do you live?
How many years have you spent in the UK?
During covid, were you in the UK or in Nigeria?

GreaterFuture:
Pls don't look at the way I write, I always rush when I write, I make typos a lot. I edit it later when I calm down to reread it

Now Secondly, I'm not writing this to shame them, I only ask if you know people like this closely... Cos it occurred to me
In my own case, these people are very religious, the religion played a major factor too to who they are
Cos no matter how UK bad, you that were there since early 80's (the oldest ones, 1970's, 1960's) and don't have children, or spouse, should at least be okay... Do you see where I'm going now
Do you get me better now?

How do you know that they are not okay?
You have nothing on a british citizen. When he was born Government paid him till he was 18. Govt paid him to go to school. Govt support their dreams, they have exposure you can only dream of. They go to america without visa. With their british accent doors open for them.

BRIMBRAM:
Is that what you wish yourself? Happiness ridden in poverty?

poverty? A poor british man who is not lazy is far better than a rich man in Nigeria.

1Sharon:
If your aunt was a citizen, how is it possible that her kids didn't automatically become citizens too?

Their papers didn't need to be "regularized"

Citizenship is dependent on several factors and not just automatically bestowed to children.

If ones citizenship is by naturalisation and not by birth, and you have a custodian sentence over 6 months citizenship can be revoked and followed by deportatuon. Custodian sentences don't have to be criminal, even driving offences can lead to a custodian offence.

Wickedfacts:
There is no Nigerian Billionaire in the UK. Meanwhile, we have several Nigerian Billionaires in the US. You think it's by accident?
The British system is designed for use and dump.

It is dumb salary earners who Japa to the UK, that's why you hear them talking about how much they are paid. Fecking peasant slaves. They can't build businesses there. They work there, pay heavy taxes and get choked by the rat race.

When they turn 60, they run back and start looking for cheap bungalow to buy in Igando and be using "When I was in Manchester" to disturb small girls around. Shishi, them no get.

If you must Japa, go to where the system allows you to transmit from an employee to a business owner. The UK doesn't allow that.

not true. Is more like robin hood. It is a society with human face. With that high salary in US, you pay through your nose for everything. If you are poor in US you would always be poor, if you are rich you would always be rich thats why fraudsters love the coumtry. Once you hit that rich jackpot you would continue to stay there, circulating round. Also their is a lot of printed money in circulation, a country living in a bubble. Uk can stand any economic meltdown go and figure.

GreaterFuture:
these are people I know very well, like since birth...
I've been there too myself personally, though been a while, say late 2000's, and I saw things with my eyes.
They have absolutely nothing there.
No house, some are a bit extreme sef, and they have nothing.

Only one woman who has a son, (an aunt) is a bit okay. I can excuse here because she had to raise a Child, singlehandedly. So you see I'm weighing the situation in a balanced way. Also she contributes a huge part to taking care of an old mother...

But I will also note that religion is a factor, all of them but two, are in very strict religion that somewhat discourages wealth and doing things for your life...
Even the youngest that's not religious at all, already a university graduate by the age of 22, 23. Has nothing going

Op this your talk is annoying, how many graduates in Nigeria finished uni at this age?

Wickedfacts:
Let me ask you some questions. Where in the UK do you live?
How many years have you spent in the UK?
During covid, were you in the UK or in Nigeria?

North east
6 years
Uk

GreaterFuture:
Sorry I couldn't post this in travel section, I've been banned there till next year
All of us want to japa, right, but lets talk about another angle...

Something occurred to me that I wanted to share, do you know any immediate close family members, blood relatives or friends that have been living in the UK for over 25 years, the eldest, a 90+ old woman, living there for over 65 years and they have no achievements?
Like no house there, no Sure Jobs, only one has a Child, the remaining are unmarried with no children
Except the old woman of course, whose children are the ones we are talking of
The youngest, a 35yr old man, has nothing, lived there since he was 2, 3 years

No Money, living from paycheck to paycheck, odd jobs. No investment, property, House or whatever, nothing nothing in Nigeria either...

All these people have British Passports o, all of them

All the people that left the village for the city didn't make it.

Does it mean the people in the village would now look at the people that didn't make it and decide they won't relocate to the city again?

Those people you just mentioned in UK aren't begging your for food, are they?

You see UK, people go dey japaa to that place on a regular till e cast kpatapkata.. If that's your fear be ready to embrace it, or remain shut

imadiyi:
Even look at the way you write? Shame! And you are here shaming persons who are well better than you. Must you build a house in Nigeria before being considered successful?

A typical blackman mentality "always pointing out the mistakes and ignoring the point"

jesmond3945:
Op this your talk is annoying, how many graduates in Nigeria finished uni at this age?

I don't get you
If the graduates finished late, the one that finished early in the UK as a citizen, shouldn't he have something doing?
Are you inadvertently not saying the same thing I'm saying like this..?

jesmond3945:
is common. But your perspective of achievement is not the same with theirs. You might build a house in Nigeria and someone travel to 100 countries. The one who travelled has achieved as well. Besides when you live in Uk you would not want to come back and live in Nigeria with all its chaos. N8gerians always believe in money in the bank, you know amassing wealth and properties but what of living good, quality and a sane life in an organized society?
Look at the BBN guy that died, probably had millions in the Bank but died due to negigence.
If this happened to a homeless man in Uk, ambulance will land and take him to hospital then emergency doctors will work all round to make sure he survives. This is somebody that is poor but treated like a king. Uk is the greatest leveller, a model society to follow. So therefore many people dont care about marriage, houses, cars and money in the bank, they just want to live in a society that has their interest at heart.

You obviously did not get me at all!
I said they have nothing in the bank, literally...
They are barely surviving, and have nothing there as well
Heavily in Debt etc. Etc.. over 40yrs in UK, the least
Grand child is 30yrs+ in the UK, is that not extreme?

bdon123:
Having British passport is not am automatic ticket to success.Bt it will help u in future n assist u to success if u play ur cards right

This ones no play any cards right ohh
Them just deyy....

GreaterFuture:
You obviously did not get me at all!
I said they have nothing in the bank, literally...
They are barely surviving, and have nothing there as well
Heavily in Debt etc. Etc..

then is their life choice which the system made them to be. Take for example, if you are unemployed there is a lot of support for you. So this can make people lazy to build a skill and look for job. Also, drugs and addiction can affect people, this is usually because of the depressive atmosphere in Uk. Then not have savings, is because the system dont encourage such why put money in the bank when you can bring it out and let it circulate. However, can save if they are disciplined. Finally, is not a religious thing, it is the system. Uk doesnt encourage material acquisition, money should be redistributed. To be frank having been in the Uk, I dont find saving money attractive. You know why redistribution, I enjoy what raheem sterling enjoys. The savings I had with my spouse after few months enabled me to cop an x6 from facebook marketplace with its manual and everything intact. I dont think i would have done that in naija even with millions sleeping in my account. The person who bought the car in thousands sold it for nothing so that poor man like me can enjoy a good beemer.

GreaterFuture:
I don't get you
If the graduates finished late, the one that finished early in the UK as a citizen, shouldn't he have something doing?
Are you inadvertently not saying the same thing I'm saying like this...

wait you graduate and then job lands on your laps?
He is still has a lot of time in his hands. He has more advantage than a Nigerian as well.

GreaterFuture:
Ahh
Ok, sorry it seems I touched a nerve, or hit a spot.

So one cannot come on nairaland to drop a topic or something anymore...
Monitor another person's family, sorry oh, they are intact, technically "my family"

Then the issue should have been discussed within your family. Nairalanders can't go to the UK to help them fix whatever u said is wrong with that family, rather you only 2ant them to make mockery of them, which isn't fair in my opinion.

1Sharon:
If your aunt was a citizen, how is it possible that her kids didn't automatically become citizens too?

Their papers didn't need to be "regularized"

I don't think she was a citizen when she was there. She probably had a stay permit or residency permit.

I suspect they were deported as they never returned. They both don't have money and I'm sure they did not pay for their flights to Nigeria.

they need prayers.. they should contact a serious man of God to pray for them.

GreaterFuture:
Sorry I couldn't post this in travel section, I've been banned there till next year
All of us want to japa, right, but lets talk about another angle...

Something occurred to me that I wanted to share, do you know any immediate close family members, blood relatives or friends that have been living in the UK for over 25 years, the eldest, a 90+ old woman, living there for over 65 years and they have no achievements?
Like no house there, no Sure Jobs, only one has a Child, the remaining are unmarried with no children
Except the old woman of course, whose children are the ones we are talking of
The youngest, a 35yr old man, has nothing, lived there since he was 2, 3 years

No Money, living from paycheck to paycheck, odd jobs. No investment, property, House or whatever, nothing nothing in Nigeria either...

All these people have British Passports o, all of them

BRIMBRAM:
Is that what you wish yourself? Happiness ridden in poverty?

Owning nothing does not mean poverty.

I make it a policy to always own as few things as possible

Wickedfacts:
You obviously don't know what you're talking about sef. If you have between 150k to 300k, you will get it in certain countries. Dominican Republic is $100k.
Dominican Passport will allow you enter the UK, France, Germany, visa free.
1 am not talking about them say, I have people who have gotten it.

u don't know what u r talkin abt , oga . who cares abt dominican republic citizen ? DR where dey murder folks , nobody to investigate . am talkin abt Canadian , American citizenship . try buying those for $100k , keep dreaming .

jesmond3945:
wait you graduate and then job lands on your laps?
He is still has a lot of time in his hands. He has more advantage than a Nigerian as well.

Kai! Na wa oooo
Did I say he doesn't have time? Did I say he does not have advantages over me?

He graduated at 22, he is 35 right now. Heavily in debt, and just there...
Despite never having responsibilities

If I were the one living in the UK and graduated from a UK University at 22. By the age of 35, I will be very Ok and balanced.

GreaterFuture:
Kai! Na wa oooo
Did I say he doesn't have time? Did I say he does not have advantages over me?

He graduated at 22, he is 35 right now. Heavily in debt, and just there...
Despite never having responsibilities

If I were the one living in the UK and graduated from a UK University at 22. By that age, I will be very balanced.

well I would say it his own making and no one else. He is not the only one. Many born here ended that way and i mentioned some of the reasons.

grandstar:
GreaterFuture
I had an aunty who probably got there late 1970s. By 1983, she was raising 3 children there. She brought 2 sons with her probably aged 2 and 3 when coming birthed a 3rd child, a girl by 1983. Then she was staying in a council flat.

By 1992, she already had a 4th child, a girl which was her last.

Around 1993, she decided to come to Nigeria stating that she had a revelation from God to do so, to preach the word. She left her children in the UK except the last born who she brought along with her.

Her evangelical mission to Nigeria got nowhere. She had to become super frugal to survive with her daughter. She later sent her daughter back but i am not sure of the time.

She traveled back in 2003. My sister paid for the ticket. She had been kind to us when she was in the UK.

In 2008, her oldest son she brought along with her to the UK was deported to Nigeria. She never regularized his papers. I won't be surprised if ihis deportation was violence related as he's autistic and prone to fights.

His younger brother too was deported, probably around 2010. I'm sure it was crime related as the guy loves drugs and he is very unserious. He however has a very mild and gentle character. His papers too were never regularised.

Note: We were never informed they were deported. But their coming back and never returning made absolutely no sense. Their British accents are very strong. They don't belong here.

Her abandoning them in England when she came back to Nigeria in 1993 took its toll on the boys. Yorubas say what they don't teach you at home, they'll teach you in the street.

Upon her return to the UK in 2003, I am not sure what happened but later on, I think she started receiving a monthly pension from the government there, and also a flat. From that, she was sending money to her sons in Nigeria regularly.

She died recently. I doubt she left anything behind, whether in the UK or in Nigeria, but she was a contented person. Her monthly pensions would have been sufficient for her.

She was a very lovely person that made some rather big mistakes for which she and her children paid the price.

I can never forget her smile. God bless her soul. I am glad she is sleeping in peace (Read Eccl 9:5,10)

Cool write-up.
I felt the emotions