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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Samueltemi337(m): 10:04pm On Dec 16, 2022
Philosopher1979:
With all the insecurity in the country. Are we sure we can keep separatists, terrorists, criminals etc at bay.
Insecurity issues nor dey Cameroon?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 10:16pm On Dec 16, 2022
Taiwo Awoniyi and Emmanuel Dennis with the goals as Nott. Forest beat Valencia at home.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ThanosKilla(m): 10:26pm On Dec 16, 2022
Looks like Eberechi Eze has seen the light.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 10:44pm On Dec 16, 2022
Let me drop this here before the final day

Golden ball winner : Lionel Messi
Silver ball winner :Kylian mbappe
Bronze ball winner :Griezman

Best young player of the tournament: Julian Alvarez
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by elyte89: 11:04pm On Dec 16, 2022
ThanosKilla:
Looks like Eberechi Eze has seen the light.
Wc light?


Him torchlight lost b4 smiley
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ThanosKilla(m): 11:15pm On Dec 16, 2022
elyte89:
Wc light?


Him torchlight lost b4 smiley
Ready to play for the eagles.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by charlesemeka85(m): 11:44pm On Dec 16, 2022
ThanosKilla:
Ready to play for the eagles.
are you sure? shocked
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by PDPGuy: 11:57pm On Dec 16, 2022
Danielnino00:
Nigeria and Benin republic have officially submitted a joint bid to host 2025 AFCON..
Algeria and Morocco also submitted a bid
I agree with one other poster who said Algeria/Morocco could win.
After losing out on hosting the 1994, 1998, 2006, and 2010 World Cups, CAF may just compensate them with hosting the AFCON..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:29am On Dec 17, 2022
mostob:
You say? Kome wey go write 3-paged thesis to defend Fred Onyedima #10 performance.
Can you tell me the last time l talked about Fred Onyedinma ❓

Of course you cannot thats why you are jumping on this facetious train with prejudice.

I will tell you more than 4 seasons ago.

However, he has not been relegated to playing youth football, or had his contract prematurely terminated, and or playing for bankruptcy relegation facing club and is not begging for a contract.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
benji93:
You missed the entire point. I did acknowledge what he did in 1958 in the knockout stages, but I then went further to say that the star-studdedness of that team was confirmed in 1962, because he was injured for most of it but they won. I never said he was overrated. What i said was his three world cups were overrated. The narrative is that they couldn't have won without him, but there's at least one in which they won without him.

Thanks for the information, but it's not useful here. The question is who contributed the most to those championships. Did he single-handedly do it, did he play alongside other stars who at least equally contributed in each of those championships?

I don't disagree. He was very impressive in 1958. But he didn't win the golden ball. I suppose others many others at the time thought there was a more important player. cheesy grin

He didn't in 1962. Even in 1958, there were players who were just as important. Fifa says he wasn't the best player in that tournament.

I don't understand how this anecdote is relevant to the conversation. Whatever your dad provided to you when you were a child is on the internet today. I guarantee that every piece of relevant information is floating around somewhere. Unless your dad was in Brazil in the 50s, in which perhaps he could get access to information firsthand that may not be on the news(very unlikely), the information your dad passed down to you is secondhand at best.

Although not the subject of the conversation, he was certainly incredible for Santos. No argument here.


What is this? Did they win without him or not? It's in the past, so a more fruitful argument should focus on what actually happened. He could have been the best player in the entire universe for all I care. Unfortunately, he got injured, and they cruised through without him. That is the point. They replaced him with another player in the midfield-forward combo and they still won.

Did he play in the last game or not? They roughed him up blablabla. That one na shalaye. cheesy grin. As the researcher extraordinaire, did you not know that Garrincha was injured in 1966 too? He did not play the last game, and they lost. Pele missed the second, they lost, and Garrincha missed the last and they lost.

Also as the senior researcher look at the squads in 1958, 1962 and 1966. 1966 was quite different from the previous 2. 1966 had Lima, Denilson, Pele, Garrincha, Jairzinho and Alcindo. Pele and Garrincha were the only players from the previous 8 years still in this squad. Besides apart from his injury Garrincha was old, overweight e.t.c.
Nothing here. You cannot objectively compare 1966 to the previous 8 years. Many of the players from their golden generation were old and tired, so it's not strange 1966 was underwhelming.

Can you tell us who assisted Pele's goals in 1958? cheesy grin. Do you know that even in the 1958 world cup, Didi was the best player over Pele and Garrincha?

Ok, he won the golden ball for his contribution.
All you have done is talk a dribble around yourself in your bid to maintain your subtle playdown stance on Pele's impact across his 3 WC wins.

You are the one missing the point of what is being debated. You said a whole lot of misinformation which I had to correct so ofcos you would be lost in trying to reply it all. grin

And not everything my dad gave me is on the internet today. Not everything. My dad had tapes/recordings of some of Pele's club games. These, I could not find on the internet. So don't try so hard to be smart about what you clearly don't know. You don't know the half of what My dad passed down to me when I was a boy. Just stick to what you know aiit.


The only second hand info I see here is you only using peripheral contexts of history to have a Pele discussion which is again why I pick more holes in all you have stated, several of which are irrelevant as usual.

And you missed it on Garrincha in 1966. Read on and you will see your faux pas. Ofcos I expected a rebuttal but ofcos it is a disjointed one. One still doing its best to avoid the truth and face the central point.

And Pele's 3 WC wins aren't overrated as you claim. Infact you are confused. How can you to claim to not call Pele overrated yet you are here trying so hard to label his World Cup Achievements as Overrated when you know those World Cup wins are tied strongly to the Greatness of the man.

You think you are so smart. Lol.... You literally want to water down his achievements yet still want us thinking you actually rate the man as a GOAT player. Bro... No dey disguise abeg. grin

FYI, Pele was crowned best young player of the 1958 WC. That was more than enough proof to show his insane impact in that tournament. He was 17. They weren't gonna give the Best player of the Senior WC tournament to a legally underage boy even when he was clearly the overall best.

Like I already said, Didi became World Renowned after his showing at the 1958 WC. A case similar to Sofyan at this year's WC. So ofcos, he was rightly recognised at the WC. But the world conceeded it wasn't Didi's WC. It was Pele's. It was the beginning of a Legend that have lived on till this day UNSURPASSED.


And the point of them not being stars-studded in 1958 still stands. Brazil went into a that tournament a battered force no thanks to their 1950 failure and their misadventure in 1954 losing to the Mighty Magyars and guess what, Didi was in that 1954 Squad that failed.

You make it look like Didi was more important but he couldn't even do it without Pele in 1954. Pele was still 13 anyway. Ofcos he was too young to help. grin


Brazil won 1962 without Pele's impact which stopped at the 2nd game no thanks to Injury. Garrincha did in the KOs in 1962 exactly what Maradona did in the KOs for Argentina in 1986. Both recorded similar stats leading their nations to WC Glory.

For 1962, I already clearly stated that it was mostly Garrincha but with Pele leading the way before his injury.

For 1958 and 1970... it was Pele. And that is Undisputed. I don't have to speak too much again on 1970. You can even use Sofascore to help yourself. grin

Didi and Jairzinho were not bigger influences in both campaigns. Pele was the Man. The Main Man.

Till now, None greater or better have emerged. Pele is Undisputed.

Johannes Cruyff, Ferenc Puskas, Franz Beckenbauer, Ronaldo, Zico, Bobby Moore, Bobby Charlton, Fontaine, Platini, etc... have all testified to Pele's GOAT of GOATs status.

Argentines like Cesar Luis Menotti, Hugo Gatti, Jorge Valdano (who played alongside Maradona) all say Pelé is incomparable, the most complete player in history and the greatest of all time.


Now, to add more flavor to my point on Pele's undisputed status as the Carrier of his Brazilian Sides especially in 1958 and 1970, France Football singled him out for a Ballon Dor win in both those World Cup years... Check below.

For 1962, it rightly went to Garrincha. In 1961, It was Pele which buttressed an earlier point made that Pele indeed came into the 1962 WC as the Undisputed Best in the World. But 1962 WC eventually became Garrincha's WC.... The Greateat Dribbler and Wing Wizard in football history.

So in a nutshell....

1954 - Didi and co played... No Pele... Brazil faltered.

1958 - Pele's first WC, Didi and Garrincha present but Pele was clearly the Main Talisman.

1962 - Pele came into the Tournament as the Undisputed Best Player on the planet but injury stopped him in Game 2 and Garrincha took over and clearly owned that World cup tournament.

1966 - Pele and Garrincha played the first game and scored. But Pele missed the 2nd game due to injury. Garrincha played that 2nd game and they lost.

This was also Tostao's and Jairzinho's Debut WCs

And in the 3rd game, hate it or despise it... Pele was kicked throughout the game and Portugal won. GARRINCHA DIDNT PLAY because HE WAS BLOODY DROPPED. There was also no substitutions back then in 1966 Check the fifa and Guardian articles below the Ballon dor graphics below this post.

1970 - Pele returns and He again was the Main Man.

1974 - No Pele. He has retired... Jairzinho, Rivellino and co couldn't do it.




Below is also the summary of Pele's Dominant Years in Ballon Dor marks... Pele is Undisputed. Finito.... and do yourself some more reading on that era. You are again Welcome. wink

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by solonnachi: 12:44am On Dec 17, 2022
ThanosKilla:
Ready to play for the eagles.
Source please?
Hope Eze is not whinnying us again?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ThanosKilla(m):
charlesemeka85:
are you sure? shocked
Yeah. Looks like Doherty played a role in convincing him. Doherty says he will officially announce very soon.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ThanosKilla(m): 12:53am On Dec 17, 2022
solonnachi:
Source please?
Hope Eze is not whinnying us again?
Check out Doherty's instagram page @teamnigeriauk3 or officialdoherty05
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:54am On Dec 17, 2022
Lol... as a Messi Fanboy, it is okay not to agree. Messi is also a GOAT. Undisputed, that one.

But you see, it's just that, Pele na the GOAT of GOATs. grin

andrewbaba44:
You are spot on ,but I no go gree grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:56am On Dec 17, 2022
I am sorry but what you have said is untrue. VERY UNTRUE.

BronzeTiger:
All what you are saying won't really matter if messi finally gets his hand on the trophy. That singular missing achievement would propel him to the best player in football history even above Pele that hardly anyone here watched. Research can't beat eye witness in this case.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:58am On Dec 17, 2022
You already know what I am. I don't have to keep repeating it.

But thanks for the kind words. It is well noted.

Philosopher1979:
Young man, you will be a very brilliant person. Are you working in academia or something.
I beleive you should be a lecturer or a research scientist of some sort.
Your analysis are allways intelligent and on spot
So where are working now.
I hope it is in academia or research
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by BronzeTiger: 1:15am On Dec 17, 2022
TheSuperNerd:
I am sorry but what you have said is untrue. VERY UNTRUE.
I know you are one of the most intelligent posters in this thread and I can believe you when you bring several factual details because you take your time to get to the tunnels of it instead of impromptuly but don't you think with what messi has achieved outside the world cup him winning on Sunday will just crown everything all and end it. I mean he has even broken some of Pele 's records. I'm not saying Messi is a complete player like O Rei that could use both feet, was great in the air and was very creative while having a supreme eye for goal like you also noted in your post. I'm talking about their achievements and impact in the game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m):
I have something for the bolded....

Here it is below:

The offside rule was introduced since 1863/1883 and remade into a 2-player rule in 1925 (Pelé was born in 1940) and this 2-player rule actually inhibited attackers more until 1990, when FIFA changed the rule to mean that attacker level with the 2nd last defender were onside. Previously they were judged to be offside in Pele's era up until 1990.


In a nutshell, the current offside rule favors players even more compared to Pele's time.

BronzeTiger:
Did you watch Pele play?
So much talk about how heavy the ball is, how players were clattered, how there was no social media to boost players profiles but nothing about how loose the offside rules were in those stone ages, food science for players to take better care of themselves see modric playing till 37 now, better academies to churn out players, advanced tactics, VAR, goal line technology and also social media and the mainstream media always there to criticize you to suicidal thoughts once a known player has a bad game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 1:57am On Dec 17, 2022
My good man, Pele had 2 World Cup Wins by the age of 21. That is insane. He was also the best player in the world by miles at age 21 with a now officially confirmed throwback count of 4 Ballon Dor honors at that age going by France Football's awarding of that era based on non-restrictive criteria for the World best.


Also today, only 20 players in history can boast of 2 WC wins ONLY. Mbappe, Giroud, Griezmann, and co could take that number higher if they take the title on sunday. But you see, Pele is the only man who has 3 and that will stay same after this WC is done no matter how that final goes.



But yes, I get your angle but perhaps you forget that Pele also has achievements outside his 3 World Cup wins.

For instance back then, Pele also won the Intercontinental Cup (that era's version of the Club World Cup) back then TWICE. They defeated the European Clubs Champs.

That's just one example of several more.

Yes, Messi has broken some of Pele's records but there are some that will never be broken.

Messi winning the World cup will rather end the debate of the GOAT rivalry of his era between himself and Cristiano Ronaldo but will it be enough to place him over that Man called O rei... The man who was complete in everything in the game and has the achievements, as well, to back up his well rounded limitless abilities? Naaah... I honestly know it won't be enough.

Even in Argentina alone, it would still be a debate for who's the greatest Argentine between Maradona and Messi even with a Messi WC Win. That's the truth.

BronzeTiger:
I know you are one of the most intelligent posters in this thread and I can believe you when you bring several factual details because you take your time to get to the tunnels of it instead of impromptuly but don't you think with what messi has achieved outside the world cup him winning on Sunday will just crown everything all and end it. I mean he has even broken some of Pele 's records. I'm not saying Messi is a complete player like O Rei that could use both feet, was great in the air and was very creative while having a supreme eye for goal like you also noted in your post. I'm talking about their achievements and impact in the game.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 2:19am On Dec 17, 2022
The 2006 Italian WC-winning legends giving Osimhen his flowers

Filippo Inzaghi recently called him the Best Centre forward in World Football.

Now Francesso Totti has termed him the Best Striker in Serie A.



Note:
Also, Pippo Inzaghi is coach of Reggina in Serie B where they sit second.
Another 2006 WC winner, Fabio Grosso is also coach of Table-topping Serie B side, Frosinone.
Yet another 2006 WC Winner, Alberto Gilardino is coach of 4th placed Serie B side, Genoa.


These 2006 WC winning Italians know ball. grin grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Mujtahida: 2:28am On Dec 17, 2022
andrewbaba44:
There is no debate with Messi or anyone

The earlier you know the better
It always makes me laugh the way you take these things personally.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:20am On Dec 17, 2022
charlesemeka85:
the ones you and ur likes hv written to defend nwakali reach like 20 pages still em no gree improve cheesy cheesy cheesy
That's because he has a special skillsets we are lacking currently. He is our Midfield conductor, resistor and capacitor we have been looking for since. cheesy cheesy
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by mostob(m): 4:21am On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:
Can you tell me the last time l talked about Fred Onyedinma ❓

Of course you cannot thats why you are jumping on this facetious train with prejudice.

I will tell you more than 4 seasons ago.

However, he has not been relegated to playing youth football, or had his contract prematurely terminated, and or playing for bankruptcy relegation facing club and is not begging for a contract.
The bottom line is you also wrote long Epistles on this thread. That's the point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:23am On Dec 17, 2022
mostob:
The bottom line is you also wrote long Epistles on this thread. That's the point.
That's not the bottom line that's your line.

If anything beyond 50 words becomes a convoluted epistle , then you should find something that's within your comprehension level and not expose your limited capacity.

The bottom line is you have limited attention capacity then again this is all light hearted comedic engagement. And you may find it just too long I do sometimes.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:27am On Dec 17, 2022
Philosopher1979:
Young man, you will be a very brilliant person. Are you working in academia or something.
I beleive you should be a lecturer or a research scientist of some sort.
Your analysis are allways intelligent and on spot
So where are working now.
I hope it is in academia or research
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by komekn(m): 7:38am On Dec 17, 2022
Philosopher1979:
Young man, you will be a very brilliant person. Are you working in academia or something.
I beleive you should be a lecturer or a research scientist of some sort.
Your analysis are allways intelligent and on spot
So where are working now.
I hope it is in academia or research
Your analytical objectivity and in depth led appraisals give you such contextual projection you highlight your outstanding intelligence. As can be seen in this post of yours albeit quite some time ago.

And so your comments are a great value, grin grin grin grin grin

Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 7:47am On Dec 17, 2022
komekn:
Your analytical objectivity and in depth led appraisals give you such contextual projection you highlight your outstanding intelligence. As can be seen in this post of yours albeit quite some time ago.

And so your comments are a great value, grin grin grin grin grin
shey Eze don agree to play for Nigeria?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by solonnachi: 8:06am On Dec 17, 2022
ThanosKilla:
Yeah. Looks like Doherty played a role in convincing him. Doherty says he will officially announce very soon.
Is this Doherty a representative of the NFF? For him to convince this prodigal son back home is surprising after Pinnick tried his best.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels: 9:51am On Dec 17, 2022
Tell Ebere Eze to fück off
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by ChrisKels: 9:52am On Dec 17, 2022
andrewbaba44:
Let me drop this here before the final day

Golden ball winner : Lionel Messi
Silver ball winner :Kylian mbappe
Bronze ball winner :Griezman

Best young player of the tournament: Julian Alvarez
That belongs to Azzedine Ounahi
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 9:54am On Dec 17, 2022
ChrisKels:
That belongs to Azzedine Ounahi
He won’t win it over someone with 4 goals
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by Blueelf: 9:54am On Dec 17, 2022
The only reason Ebere Eze may make a u-turn and decide to play for us is because he knows that his chances of making the english team are next to nothing

There's no loyalty in that and TBH, I am wary of such players
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