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pu7pl3:
I don't agree with this your post man, that Campy Superman can't cut it in this day and age... nothing wrong with him snapping Zods neck, it was a last resort and you could clearly see how it affected him in BVS.
And there was no reconstruction done on the character, Superman has a kill count in the comics too.

pu7pl3:
I like the guy in the first pic

abduleez1:
Abeg make na no like my guy. As Superman.

I want him for Nightwing. Dude fits it perfectly.

BlackManta:
The snap doesn't bother me, but the aftermath of it all was a big issue for me.

After killing Zod he screamed and felt bad for just 5 minutes.

He moved on like nothing happened.

His feelings after the snap was never addressed in BVS.

We didn't get to see how he felt about black zero event where a few thousand people died in Metropolis.

In fact, in the first 10 minutes of BVS Zack had Superman kill a terrorist by barging him through a couple of walls.

As if that wasn't enough, Zack's Superman threatened to kill Batman after failing to negotiate with him.

Zack Snyder deconstructed Superman even though nobody asked him too.

He completely tore him apart.

The hope and optimism was taken away and replaced with a broody god-like figure.

Minemrys:
Dude, get your facts straight. Snyder addressed the terrorist wasn't killed. Before the hearing, Senator Finch realized nobody died at the hands of Superman. Not even the warlord.
Even Clark told Lois "I killed nobody if that's what they are saying"
He never threatened Batman's life, he could have taken him to the authorities and outed him, and he could have done that as Clark Kent.
Superman was very much conflicted in Dawn of Justice. He and Lois weren't even sure what he was doing. He even travelled to Smallville, called his mother and part of it was trauma over killing Zod. It wasn't spoken out but was shown.
In the desert, Jonathan told him the story about the cows who got flooded while he ate his hero cake. It was part of his actions in MOS that brought about his psychological issues leading to his exile.

A lot were cut from BVS, and Snyder did say they were going to explain the black zero event which they did. You want to nitpick, fine but dude, what exactly do you want?

Superman returns, fans had problems with it because of the lack of action. You think if a light-hearted Richard Donner Superman film came out, it will be perfect in this age?

Man of Steel was meant to represent the modern times and Superman in it. It wasn't perfect, Snyder films aren't but before you go hating on the guy, just understand what he wanted to do.

Of course, James Gunn Superman may be the best film since The Dark Knight or Infinity War, but there's also a chance it might end up divisive.

These Snyder fans crap, you all are saying, I hope you do know some non Snyder fans are in bashing the DC films. So before you go on vilifying a group of people, know there are those who love his works and don't go hating on others.

Just hope the reboot goes well than trying to fuel the hate. Else if Gunn ends up in similar boat, you will have a lot of I told you so camps.

The Snyder vision is dead, let's bury it and stop hating or quoting some idiots to stir up hate.

BlackManta:
My TOP 3 PICKS FOR YOUNGER DCU SUPERMAN

1. Jacob Elordi

Best known for Euphoria. He is a good actor.
He's 25 years old and 1.9m tall.

He has the looks and age is on his side. This is someone that can commit to playing Superman for the next 10 years.

He's not a big name actor, no baggages whatsoever.



2. David Corenswet

29 years old and voiced Superman in man of tomorrow animated film.

He has the looks.
He can act.

He's not a big name actor, no baggages.

3. Nicholas Hoult

He's 33 but get him clean shaven and he can easily pass off as a 27-year-old.

He is a great actor. He has range and I have seen him excel in different roles.

He's the best actor out of the 3.

He's relatively well known like Pattinson.

He's over 6 foot tall.

Kaycee7:
Nah! Elordi's perfect for Supes. Didn't even know him cos I don't watch Euphoria but someone suggested him on another platform and I took one look at him and saw Clark Kent.

pu7pl3:
I don't agree with this your post man, that Campy Superman can't cut it in this day and age... nothing wrong with him snapping Zods neck, it was a last resort and you could clearly see how it affected him in BVS.
And there was no reconstruction done on the character, Superman has a kill count in the comics too.

abduleez1:
My issue with Snyder's Superman is not really even the death's. It's understandable.
The only major issue I have is Clark watching while his dad died. That's definitely not what the core of the character stands for. I can overlook that but that BVS shithood were Superman had to die, in just the second movie was the last straw.
Person wey we never familiarise with and understand.

Batman killing ain't my problem. My problem is killing Dick Grayson when we have a 20yrs old experienced Dark Knight without even giving us a glimpse of the Robin character. How do you build a franchise that way?

SMUAG:
I think Some of the guys here need to go to place like quora to learn from guys who know this characters more, and not just thinking that Christopher Reeves' Superman is the only and best way to portray the Boy scout....

Nickshrapnel:
I don’t know if it was on this thread but I remember telling someone before BvS that casting an older Bruce Wayne may work for Snyder story, but a universe should never be built on that. Snyderverse should have been an elseworld franchise.

Nickshrapnel:
I don’t know if it was on this thread but I remember telling someone before BvS that casting an older Bruce Wayne may work for Snyder story, but a universe should never be built on that. Snyderverse should have been an elseworld franchise.

nani667:
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abduleez1:
My issue with Snyder's Superman is not really even the death's. It's understandable.
The only major issue I have is Clark watching while his dad died. That's definitely not what the core of the character stands for. I can overlook that but that BVS shithood were Superman had to die, in just the second movie was the last straw.
Person wey we never familiarise with and understand.

Batman killing ain't my problem. My problem is killing Dick Grayson when we have a 20yrs old experienced Dark Knight without even giving us a glimpse of the Robin character. How do you build a franchise that way?

We're still gonna spend additional years with Superman being mind-controlled by Darkseid in the future. We're always gonna spend reasonable time with Zack's Supes being evil or an antihero theme if the plan came to fruition.
Another wild plan is having Lois Lane fvvk Bruce and even have a son for him. What was he cooking?
Anyways, the fact remains, BVS is the movie that started the mighty fall of the DCEU and forever scarred general audiences in relation to the brand. Also that stupendous clusterfvck of Suicide Squad and atrocious Josstice League sealed the fate.

Someone saying peeps are just following critics words is just talking gibberish and being defensive.
So no one grew up with Superman content over the years? Na this kind of Gaslighting dey cause problems with other people in the first place with this Cult.
I'm not a fan of campy shït or Superheroes but structural issues like this is a big deal.

Minemrys:
No mind am.
I think most critics on here are basing their own criticism on what the film's critics said.
Please, that boy scout American symbol of propaganda wouldn't work in this age. Unless he is made complex or his villains are made complex and less of villains else you have a totally boring movie. How they wrote Captain America in later films should be how Supes is written. That's why Batman is interesting.
And as for Batman killing, it was really explained. 20 years in Gotham, he lost it.
"20 years in Gotham, how many good guys are left, how many stayed that way" this isn't a man who is optimistic in the system any longer or wanted to do it by the book. He was fighting his demons. I love those stories.

BlackManta:
Killing him in and of itself isn’t bad. The fact is he has one scream and a cooldown hug from lois and he’s fine? And it clearly didn’t effect him one bit in this or later movies?

That’s what I hate.

I really wish we got Zod haunting Clark. Clark not only destroyed the embryos, but killed basically the only competent kryptonian leader left. He doomed his race. He hadn’t been in a fight before, and he killed someone. That should stay with him.

There's no follow up at all. Clark doesn’t grapple with the realization that he effectively doomed his own race.

There was nothing like that in BVS.

abduleez1:
Abeg make na no like my guy. As Superman.

I want him for Nightwing. Dude fits it perfectly.

pu7pl3:
Why do you keep saying there was nothing like that in BVS?

Minemrys:
When in fact it was all over the movie in subtle ways.

Minemrys:
Dude, Grayson could still have showed up and it could have been another story itself. We never knew what really happened nor did we see a body.

You do know that could still happen right? And Darkseid influencing Superman is something that has happened before in the cartoons, as well as Lois Lane dating billionaires like Lex Luthor, Bruce Wayne have been portrayed before in animation and live action.

I wish I was talking gibberish. If Man of Steel was critically acclaimed no one would have found faults in a lot of the things they are nitpicking, trust me.
If Nolan made MOS or BVS, no one would nitpick.
Look at Tenet for example, who is shitting on the movie? But trust me, if it were another director like say Michael Bay or Snyder, people will find faults in every turn.

Critics shape a lot of perceptions. Take Ragnarok for example, many MCU fans think it's a great film because critics said it was.
It may not be with everyone but when someone starts pointing out something that was very much explained in the movie and then saying otherwise, you have to question a lot of things.

Stop shaming the Snyder fans and calling them a cult.
Call these idiots what they are, the toxic fandom.

pu7pl3:
Why do you keep saying there was nothing like that in BVS?

abduleez1:
Nope. Grayson is dead dead. He was killed by Joker with a crowbar. His costume was literally in BVS.


Still doesn't excuse the fact that she'd fvvk him and still get pregnant with Bruce's son, especially when they were friends. The fvvk. It's a stupid plan and no excuse or mansplaining makes it less stupid.



Umm, what critics say doesn't always dictate the tune of a movie. If a movie is really bad it's bad.
I don't think the movie is that bad but the ramifications of the movie have dire consequences which makes it as a whole a bad film.
Joker for example was faced by many critics lashings and propaganda. But the massive enthusiasm from audiences forced some of them to eat their words. They had no choice than to acknowledge the film and give it it's due.
Another example... The Shining was a critically panned in the 80s when it was released and term so damn bad. In fact Shelley Duvall was nominated for a Razzie award as well as Stanley Kubrick for Worst director. But look at it today, it's a fvvking cult classic and always in top 10 of any reputable All time greatest horror movies list.




Umm, based on the interactions I've had with many Snyder fans online, they very much behave like it.
Doesn't mean I haven't seen moderate and logical fans online. One of the ppl I interact most with on NL is pu7pl3 a Snyder fan. We don't always agree on things Snyder but I respect his opinion. Still that doesn't translate to the majority of self acclaimed Snyder fans I've met online. Cos if there are truly moderate Snyder fans, they surely are the backbenchers and minority. The Stans know themselves.

Minemrys:
Dick Grayson was never even mentioned bro, they still could have taken the story anywhere. He still could have showed. Anything could have happened.

From the Snyder fans that I have seen, they aren't toxic or go on ranting rampage or form cults, they basically express their disappointment in the franchise.

abduleez1:
@ the bolded... Okay oo mister man. We clearly live in alternate universes.

You go just dey argue wetin you no sure of. Snyder himself already confirmed it was Grayson.
So how come I knew the Robin that was killed when the original storyline was Jason Todd?
Or is there only one Robin.

abduleez1: