ProblemChild1:
and I said you should rest. Don't you get it

Don't tell me to rest.

You came disagreeing with me and insulting me, I responded and I'm the one who should rest?

Fujiyama, I can see more 'nonsense' in your posts that actual comments o.

Please, and please, can we not go down that path?

And you're arguing at 2 a.m.? Sorry, how is that anybody's business or fault?

Could it be because of lagos' reputation?

Fujiyama:
^^^
I am disagreeing precisely because I do know better and I do have the facts - facts which are self evident. If you choose to ignore this I can't help you. I have nothing further to say on this.

Then table your facts.

So far, you've not done any because "the burden isn't on you." Oshey, agba dribbler.

The outsider who wept louder than the bereaved.

The poster I quoted has remained silent for obvious reasons. He is a grown man and can speak for himself - but he chose not to. That should tell you something.

It doesn't tell me anything.

Yawns.

You too, if you don't see that other people pick up points from people's convos online and continue it, then I must question your common sense.

Grown man? Kept quiet for obvious reasons?

Pray tell, ki lon kan aye?

You don't have a horse or dog in this race. Are you acting out some perverse white dame fantasy here? What exactly are you trying to prove?

If you care, you should take some time to go through my posts' history.

I never have any dog or cat or rat or lion in 50% of matters I get into online.

Shey you can see the guys too insulting me up there? 90% of them are Tinubu's supporters, and I am Obidient. Sad that we share the same tribe.

No it has not been about popular culture.

It is about popular culture.

You are the one, rather, who probably choose to get intentions wrong for whatever...

I never in my wildest dreams would have believed I would get into a protracted 2am online debate about ashebis, owambes, owambe goals, owambe plans and other frivolities but as the preacher once said: "the wicked man's work is never done".

Frivolities?

You're very laughable.

I tell you these are what are projecting the Yoruba culture in the country and you're...?

Mtcheeewwwwwww.

Instead of taking the lesson and moving on, you mulishly double down and claim some dubious 'generic use' of a dated, offensive term.

'Tribe' is offensive?

When? Where? How? Who made it offensive?

And I promise you, I am not taking your words for it this time.

If you don't do anything else, please, just link facts or authoritative opinions to this claim.

I am actually very curious to know...since when did the word "tribe" fall out of fashion?

The 'generalised claims' and 'exaggerations' you mention are just euphemisms for outright falsehood. False claims were made and of course, they did not go unchallenged. Go back and read my initial post again!!

Shouting unchallenged, yet hiding your bombom and ****** tail behind in fear when I pushed you to bring your own evidence just makes you look like a clown.

Everything I say that you cannot disprove, you say, 'seen' and keep it moving.

For every single examples and illustrations I've provided.

There was a time SS musicians like Timaya dominated the air waves. There was a time Ajegunle-bred stars were reigning. Now we have somewhat middle-class Yoruba artists on our screens.

It is only the comedy industry, though, that I can see a little bit of equal representation of all tribes.

Others...even on TikTok, gan, and I say this as a faithful user, there is a trenches category of content creators that are coming up and guess what? You know . Na we.

I have never seen an 'Igbo TikTok' or an Igbo side of it (and before your **** brain will run along with something else, I am not saying there aren't Igbo users on TikTok).

Google justfaheedah and enlighten yourself.

You can go round in circles all day long. I said what I said.

And you are not going around in a ring? LMAO.

The poster you're ready to take a bullet for made the laughable claim (on this very thread) that Yoruba is the dominant culture in South America. That's the sort of delusion you want to get yourself killed over?

Now, don't be daft.

Don't be daft.

Don't be daft, Fuji boy.

I am not killing myself over anything.

Because I am going toe-to-toe with you, as you were doing with others, it has now become too much?

Please, don't whine me.

Two things here- provide a counter proof that shows us that Yoruba culture is not 'a' dominant culture in SA.

By the way, did he use 'a dominant culture' or 'the dominant culture?' I can't recall. You said words matter o.

And secondly, if plain was wrong AT ALL, are you such a blind bat to see that I admitted to him exaggerating? When have I ever said he was 100% right about his claims?

You're the one who seem to making a mountain out of a molehill here.

Rubbish, and stupeedity.

Do have a good evening, ma'am.

Keep your pleasantries, jor.

plaindealer:
Top 10 Nigerian songs and artists on Apple Nigeria.

9/10 = Yoruba songs and Artists.

No competition.

You go to Netflix, it's Yoruba movies, Yoruba shows, and Yoruba actors and Yoruba culture all over the place

Go to music-sharing and streaming platforms, they are still dominated by Yoruba people and culture

Yes, Yoruba is the face of Nigeria, not even becoming, it is the face.

To some, it sounds like bragging, but it's really not, it's just the obvious reality..

cc: Fujiyama

Read this.



Shebi I also called your attention to the fact of Fela being the founder of Afrobeats.

You nor say anything to that?

Even if Hollywood producers come here to feature scenes, guess where? And guess what representation it is more often than not?

Anytime people edit and dress up foreigners, guess whose attire they put them in?

cc: Fujiyama

Nack your head for iron make blood comot, I nor care.

Magnoliaa:


Don't tell me to rest.

You came disagreeing with me and insulting me, I responded and I'm the one who should rest?

Of course you have to rest. Because you're not making any sense

Fejoku:

LMAO. Are you by any chance saying that there are more Yorubas than Igbos in Pitakwa?

In rivers state as a whole, I am not sure but in Ph, you don't have our numbers. Yoruba families migrated there during the oil boom in large numbers. They have made the place their home but understood they are mere visitors and respect their host. An attitude igbo lacks.

Fujiyama:


^^^
This is false.

There are millions of Nigerians outside Western Nigeria who do not speak or understand Yoruba - and they are getting by. They communicate and interact with one another - with family and friends etc. and not one word of Yoruba enters the mix. They entertain themselves, read, socialize and in summary, live their lives - and its all done in several languages other than Yoruba. You are stretching the truth by miles with this preposterous claim that Yoruba is becoming a standard language across Nigeria. It simply isn't true.



^^^


Again, there are millions of Nigerians who don't know anything about 'Don jazzy', 'marvin people' or their "all star hit songs" . It simply isn't an issue or a priority for them - they are getting on with the ordinary business of living in a very difficult environment. Don jazzy and co.'s business and career choices are not on the radar screen for these Nigerians. They have other priorities!



^^^


This is again, false. And you know it.

There are millions of Nigerians who are not enthralled by urban Nigerian popular culture. It is highly presumptuous to think everyone in Nigeria lives only for music and movies. People have real lives to live!



^^^


Netflix series? Call us when the Mossad or the FSB consult this series when making policy.

Projecting Nigeria to the outside world? Who is doing this projection and on whose behalf?



^^^^
The same can be said for Hausa, Igbo, Ibibio, Tiv, Ijaw, Igala, Idoma, Bini, Urhobo, Berom, Jukun etc.

There are many indians and Chinese in Lagos and across Yoruba land who don't understand Yoruba but are doing well.

yorubarere:

If igbo have the numbers yoruba has in Ph, trust me, they would be calling ur land a no mans land by now.

We are naturally not boastful and we always respect our host wherever we find ourselves.

Quit yapping what you are ignorant about. A lot of ikwerre people identify as Igbos and I am not even talking about other Igbos who live and work in PH.

yorubarere:

In rivers state as a whole, I am not sure but in Ph, you don't have our numbers. Yoruba families migrated there during the oil boom in large numbers. They have made the place their home but understood they are mere visitors and respect their host. An attitude igbo lacks.

Dude, stop yapping trash

yorubarere:

In rivers state as a whole, I am not sure but in Ph, you don't have our numbers. Yoruba families migrated there during the oil boom in large numbers. They have made the place their home but understood they are mere visitors and respect their host. An attitude igbo lacks.

Hahahaha... You should ask questions very well before yapping anyhow. Imagine a Yoruba man saying they have more population in PH than Igbos. Wonders shall never end.
Can you give an estimated population of Yorubas in the whole Rivers State? Give that of Igbos too.

SonOfEl:


Quit yapping what you are ignorant about. A lot of ikwerre people identify as Igbos and I am not even talking about other Igbos who live and work in PH.

Ikwerre are not ibos. I know that is where you guys are going. They identify as bini tribe.

Fejoku:

Hahahaha... You should ask questions very well before yapping anyhow. Imagine a Yoruba man saying they have more population in PH than Igbos. Wonders shall never end.
Can you give an estimated population of Yorubas in the whole Rivers State? Give that of Igbos too.

For the whole of Rivers, I don't know but I know Ph for sure. And ikwerres are not igbos. You can cry now.

SonOfEl:


Dude, stop yapping trash

I should be as old as your father. Shame on him for now raising you well on how to engage people.

Magnoliaa:


Okay. So you're disagreeing NOT because you know better or you have the facts.

Do well not to phrase your disagreements as 'statements of facts' hence.

A person who doesn't know and is trying to inquire like you, supposedly, would not go about with the kind of expressions you're making...



That is very much his point.

You're just choosing to be stressing over words. Resulting in an 'artificial miscommunication'...



Not that I really give a shit about the person whom you were arguing with, but consider this as me taking up the mantle now... . We're having a discussion branching off of the points he has made.



Armageddon? Painful death? Your interpretation.

Even at that. Don't be theatrical.

You made up a bogus issue and then claim to unravel the issue?

Haha. Brilliant. Not.



Kaiiii.

'Just' is your issue now?

Motigbo.

Pop cultures exists within a larger culture sha. Glad we're cleared on that.



I never ever ever ever have not did not impossibly *inserts all negative tags imaginable* mention hardship.

Not for once in this convo.

Stop setting up strawmen.



I am telling you that these are pop movies. Hit movies in the country. And some even have a larger African audience. Plus international appeal.

They are championed by Yorubas.

Go and look at Naija movies on Netflix for yourself. Even the English movies are represented by Yoruba actors.

Oh, I also remember Lionheart. Ehen. That's another predominantly Igbo movie I can point to. And this is me being objective. See as I am mentioning these ones, just to show you that I am not unfairly biased towards Igbo-centric movies.

Before I can think of a major Igbo movie with a nationwide acceptance in the current Nigerian entertainment scene, like 20 Yoruba ones would have popped into my head.

This has been about popular culture. So don't go all "what should I do with this" with me?

You should have your facts about whatever conversation you'll be getting in.

It was necessary for me to mention those movies given the trajectory of this thread.



As I told you, if you want to argue popular culture trends, the basic thing you should know is your onions.

From AIT to SoundCity to Events-tailored local TV stations, that I used to watch many years back, the anchors always used the word "owambe".

Spice and Style...and many more of them.

What are your owambe ideas? Owambe goals and plans for the weekend?

As if it's a natural English word.

There are many posts people have made on-line talking about aso-ebi styles. Other tribes too now wanted to change the word to "ashebi" and I remembered then (and even now) it caused another 'cultural war'.

If you don't know these things, I question why you should be adding to this conversation, when you're not trying to learn.

You want facts, but you think your own anecdotes are okay...

I used tribe in a generic sense... Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo...if you have a problem with that diction, it is on you too.



Yes.

It is of Yoruba origin.

You can start from here; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aso_ebi.



Oh.

I seee... countering "wild claims" with more wild claims of yours? Ah.

See, I even said "generalizations." I said plain dealer was making some generalised claims.

While not all generalised claims are right, all generalised claims also aren't wrong.

You called bullshit on EVERYTHING he said, and you were basing your stance on exceptions.

Yes, did he exaggerate? Of course.

He exaggerated on things that were already true and that are happening.

But you didn't concede to ANYthing at all he said...and that was why I came in.

I agree with all you said here except yoruba is a tribe.... We're not a tribe pls, we're a ethnic nation.

BanyXchi:
I agree with all you said here except yoruba is a tribe.... We're not a tribe pls, we're a ethnic nation.

What's the difference?

Magnoliaa:


What's the difference?

tribe is kinda derogatory sis... It's a word used by European colonizers for people they considered backward and tribal. One interesting thing is how all Europeans that came to the yoruba country never called us a tribe and even referred to Yorubaland as Yoruba country. Yoruba people are a large ethnic nation with tribes like Ijebu, Egba, Oyo, Awori, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ilaje and so on.... We're big enough to have our own nation.

SonOfEl:


How is that an issue? And stop peddling errors as truth in your observation. It's all in your head

Why can't I express what I observe? Are u some sort of despot or what? Some of u are just too indocile.

BanyXchi:
tribe is kinda derogatory... It's a word used by European colonizers for people they considered backward and tribal. One interesting thing is how all Europeans that came to the yoruba country never called us a tribe and even referred to Yorubaland as Yoruba country. Yoruba people are a large ethnic nation with tribes like Ijebu, Egba, Oyo, Awori, Ekiti, Ijesha, Ilaje and so on.... We're big enough to have our own nation.

Oh.

I was not aware of this...

Okayyy. Wait. Holdup.

Thanks for the info for the correction and info. first of all.

I will male changes to my use of it henceforth.

Now, aren't there contexts in which it is okay to use tribe? Or it's totally offensive.

Because I know the normal terms like mulatto, half-breed, and the rest are certainly offensive. Never seen much of an issue or general disagreement about the word 'tribe.' And I've seen people also used tribe to refer to their group of friends whom they share interests. Even Airtel has an ad based on that concept.

'I'm hanging out with My Tribe for the weekend.' Stuff like that.

Now, you said Yoruba is an ethnic group consisting of different tribes. See you used the word as well.

So, while I agree with Yoruba not be a tribe, but an ethnicity rather, it's okay if I refer to those factions of Yoruba as tribe? I don't want to think it is offensive in that context.

Outside of allll of these too, I hope the word "ethnicity" is not considered offensive as well...

Magnoliaa:


Oh.

I was not aware of this...

Okayyy. Wait. Holdup.

Thanks for the info for the correction and info. first of all.

I will male changes to my use of it henceforth.

Now, aren't there contexts in which it is okay to use tribe? Or it's totally offensive.

Because I know the normal terms like mulatto, half-breed, and the rest are certainly offensive. Never seen much of an issue or general disagreement about the word 'tribe.' And I've seen people also used tribe to refer to their group of friends whom they share interests. Even Airtel has an ad based on that concept.

'I'm hanging out with My Tribe for the weekend.' Stuff like that.

Now, you said Yoruba is an ethnic group consisting of different tribes. See you used the word as well.

So, while I agree with Yoruba not be a tribe, but an ethnicity rather, it's okay if I refer to those factions of Yoruba as tribe? I don't want to think it is offensive in that context.

Outside of allll of these too, I hope the word "ethnicity" is not considered offensive as well...

Yes it depends on how it's used. Notice you never hear about French tribe, English tribe, Italian and German tribe and so on.... A large ethnic nation like yoruba can not just be referred to as a tribe. It's derogatory... Remember that Yorubas are not just in Nigeria but also Benin Republic, Togo and Ghana. We are indigenous in those countries too.. pls check the Yorubaland map on google, you should not forget that the reason we're spread across several countries today is because of the Berlin Conference where Europeans created all these African countries... If Nigeria was not created we would have probably had our own nation as a ethnicity with tribes like Egba, Oyo and so on...

yorubarere:

For the whole of Rivers, I don't know but I know Ph for sure. And ikwerres are not igbos. You can cry now.

No one in his right frame of mind will make the comments you make hence I question your sanity.
No one cares whether Ikwerres are Igbos or not. Let me ask you another question that might arouse your cognitive sanity. Between Igbos and Yorubas, who own more properties and businesses in PH?
Even in Benin City, there are more Igbos than Yorubas no to talk of PH which is part of Igboland despite the controversy surrounding the city.

Magnoliaa, you are really intelligent.

yorubarere:

I should be as old as your father. Shame on him for now raising you well on how to engage people.

No shame at all....... 'old' man arguing so st#pidly on social media

Fejoku:

No one in his right frame of mind will make the comments you make hence I question your sanity.
No one cares whether Ikwerres are Igbos or not. Let me ask you another question that might arouse your cognitive sanity. Between Igbos and Yorubas, who own more properties and businesses in PH?
Even in Benin City, there are more Igbos than Yorubas no to talk of PH which is part of Igboland despite the controversy surrounding the city.

Please ignore these newbies.... their brainwave is erratic

Justmesagi:
Why can't I express what I observe? Are u some sort of despot or what? Some of u are just too indocile.

You come to a social platform and spew non sense..... What does that make you ?

SonOfEl:


You come to a social platform and spew non sense..... What does that make you ?

The best you can do is pick out the "nonsense" in my comments and debunk them point for point instead of trying to intimidate me with aggression.

Fejoku:

No one in his right frame of mind will make the comments you make hence I question your sanity.
No one cares whether Ikwerres are Igbos or not. Let me ask you another question that might arouse your cognitive sanity. Between Igbos and Yorubas, who own more properties and businesses in PH?
Even in Benin City, there are more Igbos than Yorubas no to talk of PH which is part of Igboland despite the controversy surrounding the city.

Now it is about who owns more properties and businesses not who is more populous. Keep shifting the goal post.

No every tribe believe in container business bro.

SonOfEl:


No shame at all....... 'old' man arguing so st#pidly on social media

It is still not my fault that he failed to raise you well.

yorubarere:

Now it is about who owns more properties and businesses not who is more populous. Keep shifting the goal post.

No every tribe believe in container business bro.

Anyone can claim population but there must be markers to guage whether one's claims are right or wrong.
Anyway, I just felt like probing you to understand where that claim is coming from and as usual, I got nothing concrete but false claims. I'll leave you to continue to stew in whatever you conceive.

Justmesagi:
Magnolia, you are really intelligent.

Thank you.

@ UncleAyo abeg give us those video of Yorubas in other parts of the world, I once heard from a historian that the population of Yoruba in Brazil and the Caribbean countries are more than 50millions