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Muslims always boast that they follow sunnah which is the teachings and deeds of Muhammad but you see them (male and female) wearing golden rings and bangles (female) even though Muhammad forbade them from doing so!

Why are they disobeying Muhammad?

But they are quick to obey Muhammad in commands that involve hatred towards their neighbors.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6222
Narrated Al-Bara:
The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered us to do seven (things) and forbade us from seven (other things): He ordered us to pay a visit to the sick, to follow funeral possessions, to say: May Allah be merciful to you to a sneezer, - if he says: Praise be to Allah, to accept invitation (invitation to a wedding banquet), to return greetings, to help the oppressed, and to help others to fulfill their oaths (provided it was not sinful). And he forbade us from seven (things): to wear golden rings or golden bangles, to wear silk (cloth), Dibaj, Sundus and Mayathir.

Antichristian, LegalWolf, Lukuluku69, NeoWanZaeed, Haekymbahd

Seun Osewa they are asking you a question.

First golden ring or necklace is only forbidden for men not women.

Secondly, golden ring is different from golden colored ring.

In summary, muslim men can use silver rings, watches etc and GL rings even if the colour is golden color. Use of Gold is what is forbidding for men.

Women on the other hand can use Gold or Silver.

And Allah knows best.

advocatejare:
Muslims always boast that they follow sunnah which is the teachings and deeds of Muhammad but you see them (male and female) wearing golden rings and bangles (female) even though Muhammad forbade them from doing so!

Why are they disobeying Muhammad?

But they are quick to obey Muhammad in commands that involve hatred towards their neighbors.

I just wonder your fixation with what The Prophet forbids and not what Yahweh and his son forbids but you guys continue to do!

From the top of my head I can list many but it is non of my business.

It is true Thr Prophet forbids wearing of Gold apparels for MEN. Some don't know while some do. As for those who know and still flout the injuction, they have the Creator to answer for not me.

Why not do a details for what Christ forbids that your brethrens are joyously doing?

alfarouq:
First golden ring or necklace is only forbidden for men not women.

Secondly, golden ring is different from golden colored ring.

In summary, muslim men can use silver rings, watches etc and GL rings even if the colour is golden color. Use of Gold is what is forbidding for men.

Women on the other hand can use Gold or Silver.

And Allah knows best.

Please can you share us the hadith that specifies that this injunction is for only men.
Thanks

Ekrenji:
Please can you share us the hadith that specifies that this injunction is for only men.
Thanks

There is an Hadith for this.

The Prophet removed a Gold ring from a Companion finger and it is said that the Companion vowed never to even pick up the ring again.

Rings are allowed but not of Gold. Silver and other metals are allowed .

As for the women, no restrictions.

Thank you.

Thanks. But you did not cite the hadith, please educate us! The op cited his own hadith and there was no mention of whether forbiddance of the golden ring is for only women. Other things were mentioned in the op hadith that are also forbidden like silk etc. are they forbidden for only women too?

Lukuluku69:
There is an Hadith for this.

The Prophet removed a Gold ring from a Companion finger and it is said that the Companion vowed never to even pick up the ring again.

Rings are allowed but not of Gold. Silver and other metals are allowed .

As for the women, no restrictions.

Thank you.

Lukuluku69:
There is an Hadith for this.

The Prophet removed a Gold ring from a Companion finger and it is said that the Companion vowed never to even pick up the ring again.

Rings are allowed but not of Gold. Silver and other metals are allowed .

As for the women, no restrictions.

Thank you.

What is this one saying, shey you know islam more than Muhammad that said you shouldn't use rings in his sunnah?

Ekrenji:
Please can you share us the hadith that specifies that this injunction is for only men.
Thanks

`Ali reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took some silk in his right hand and some gold in his left, declaring, “These two are haram for the males among my followers.” (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, an-Nasa’i, Ibn Hayyan, and Ibn Majah, who reports the additional phrase, “but halal for the females.”)

Other hadiths on permissibility of using Gold by women include:

The hadith narrated by Abu Dawud and al-Nasai from ‘Amr ibn Shu’ayb from his father from his grandfather, that a woman came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) with a daughter of hers, on whose hand were two heavy bangles of gold.

He said to her, “Do you pay zakah on these?” She said, “No.” He said, “Would you be happy if Allah were to give you two bracelets of fire on the Day of Resurrection because of these?”

So she took them off and threw them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), saying, “They are for Allah and His Messenger.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained to her the obligation to pay zakah on the two bangles mentioned, but he did not rebuke her for putting them on her daughter. This indicated that that is permissible, although they were formed into the shape of circles.
The hadith is sahih and its isnad is jayyid, as was pointed out by al-Hafiz in al-Bulugh.

in another hadith, It was narrated in Sunan Abi Dawud with a sahih isnad from ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: “Some jewellery came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a gift from the Negus (the ruler of Abyssinia), as a gift to him. It included a gold ring in which was set an Abyssinian stone. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) picked it up hesitantly with a stick or with his fingers, then he called Umamah the daughter of Abu’l-‘As and his daughter Zaynab.

He said, ‘Adorn yourself with this, O my daughter.’” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave a ring to Umamah, which was formed from a circle of gold, and said, “Adorn yourself with this.” This indicates that gold formed into a circle is permissible on the basis of this report.

Abu Dawud and al-Daraqutni narrated, and al-Hakim classed as sahih, as stated in Bulugh al-Maram, a report from Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she used to wear anklets of gold. She said, “O Messenger of Allah, is this kanz (stored wealth)?” He said, “If you pay the zakah on it, it is not kanz.”

And Allah knows best

ANTIlSLAM:
What is this one saying, shey you know islam more than Muhammad that said you shouldn't use rings in his sunnah?

If Mohammed were around today,he wouldn't have anything to do about them wearing such things.

Ask Google or duckgo

For the sake of people who would like to learn.

As long as there's hadith on an issue. I Follow it



We Muslims take the proof of our religion from Quran, hadiths and the understanding of the sahabahs.

We don't pick proofs of our religion from Saudi or from Muslims.

EOD

HellVictorinho6:
If Mohammed were around today,he wouldn't have anything to do about them wearing such things.

Okay you mean Muhammad will be like a double mouthed if at all he's around today because he won't be able to caution them after he himself kicked against such in his sunnah bah?

ANTIlSLAM:
Okay you mean Muhammad will be like a double mouthed if at all he's around today because he won't be able to caution them after he himself kicked against such in his sunnah bah?

I never said Mohammed will be double mouthed!!!


All I mean is that Mohammed will also have limits!!!!!

HellVictorinho6:
I never said Mohammed will be double mouthed!!!


All I mean is that Mohammed will also have limits!!!!!

Limits to what extent?

ANTIlSLAM:
Limits to what extent?

What he can enforce

alfarouq:
`Ali reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) took some silk in his right hand and some gold in his left, declaring, “These two are haram for the males among my followers.” (Reported by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, an-Nasa’i, Ibn Hayyan, and Ibn Majah, who reports the additional phrase, “but halal for the females.”)

Other hadiths on permissibility of using Gold by women include:

The hadith narrated by Abu Dawud and al-Nasai from ‘Amr ibn Shu’ayb from his father from his grandfather, that a woman came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) with a daughter of hers, on whose hand were two heavy bangles of gold.

He said to her, “Do you pay zakah on these?” She said, “No.” He said, “Would you be happy if Allah were to give you two bracelets of fire on the Day of Resurrection because of these?”

So she took them off and threw them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), saying, “They are for Allah and His Messenger.”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) explained to her the obligation to pay zakah on the two bangles mentioned, but he did not rebuke her for putting them on her daughter. This indicated that that is permissible, although they were formed into the shape of circles.
The hadith is sahih and its isnad is jayyid, as was pointed out by al-Hafiz in al-Bulugh.

in another hadith, It was narrated in Sunan Abi Dawud with a sahih isnad from ‘Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said: “Some jewellery came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as a gift from the Negus (the ruler of Abyssinia), as a gift to him. It included a gold ring in which was set an Abyssinian stone. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) picked it up hesitantly with a stick or with his fingers, then he called Umamah the daughter of Abu’l-‘As and his daughter Zaynab.

He said, ‘Adorn yourself with this, O my daughter.’” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) gave a ring to Umamah, which was formed from a circle of gold, and said, “Adorn yourself with this.” This indicates that gold formed into a circle is permissible on the basis of this report.

Abu Dawud and al-Daraqutni narrated, and al-Hakim classed as sahih, as stated in Bulugh al-Maram, a report from Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she used to wear anklets of gold. She said, “O Messenger of Allah, is this kanz (stored wealth)?” He said, “If you pay the zakah on it, it is not kanz.”

And Allah knows best

Thank u but u should have included the references so that people can check them up to confirm the veracity of your submission.

HellVictorinho6:
What he can enforce

So his people will go against some of his commandments had it been he is alive right?

ANTIlSLAM:
So his people will go against some of his commandments had it been he is alive right?

His people have to be defined.

Not every Muslim or person that prays in the name of Allah sees himself or herself as part of Mohammed's people if at all any Muslim does that.



A Muslim is defined by me as a person that prays in the name of Allah.


The reason is faith that causes the person to pray in the name of Allah.


The commandments of Mohammed have to be defined.

What if Muslims regard those things as commandments of Allah?


Even if a Muslim considers lying as wrong according to the 'commandments of Allah' or whatever that means,does it mean the Muslim never lies

HellVictorinho6:
His people have to be defined.

Not every Muslim or person that prays in the name of Allah sees himself or herself as part of Mohammed's people if at all any Muslim does that.

You mean there are some Muslims that don't follow Muhammad right? But why are all Muslims mentioning his name during shahada while praying if you're of the opinion that not every Muslims sees himself or herself as part of muhammad?

HellVictorinho6:
A Muslim is defined by me as a person that prays in the name of Allah.


The reason is faith that causes the person to pray in the name of Allah.

That's according to you but not according to Quran

HellVictorinho6:
The commandments of Mohammed have to be defined.

What if Muslims regard those things as commandments of Allah?

Such can't be the commandments of allah because allah is not the author of hadith that forbade Muslims from wearing rings

HellVictorinho6:
Even if a Muslim considers lying as wrong according to the 'commandments of Allah' or whatever that means,does it mean the Muslim never lies

Muslims don't considers lying as a wrong thing, taqqiya is permissible in Islam for spreading their faith

alfarouq:
First golden ring or necklace is only forbidden for men not women.

Secondly, golden ring is different from golden colored ring.

In summary, muslim men can use silver rings, watches etc and GL rings even if the colour is golden color. Use of Gold is what is forbidding for men.

Women on the other hand can use Gold or Silver.

And Allah knows best.

LoLz. Sometimes you people make your god sound silly. How can the same god that you claim made both gold and silver is now telling men to wear silver but not gold but women can wear both. What is in gold that makes it bad for men to wear it? And not only that you say men can wear gold coloured jewelry. What a joke.

ANTIlSLAM:
You mean there are some Muslims that don't follow Muhammad right? But why are all Muslims mentioning his name during shahada while praying if you're of the opinion that not every Muslims sees himself or herself as part of muhammad?






That's according to you but not according to Quran





Such can't be the commandments of allah because allah is not the author of hadith that forbade Muslims from wearing rings





Muslims don't considers lying as a wrong thing, taqqiya is permissible in Islam for spreading their faith

Do they worship Mohammed


Well, I wonder why anyone that's not a Muslim will pray in the name of Allah.


As for the commandments... whether Allah's or Mohammed's...,they can always be disregarded even after prayers.


A Muslim can kill you for deceiving him or her whether or not the Quran says it's ok for you to lie!!!!


In fact,anybody can seek your demise for being deceitful even if such had also deceived some other person!!!!

HellVictorinho6:
Do they worship Mohammed

Yes.. They do mention his name during shahada

HellVictorinho6:
Well, I wonder why anyone that's not a Muslim will pray in the name of Allah.

Arab Christians do pray in the name of Allah that has a son called Jesus Christ and not the one (allah) that was caged inside the shrine and black stone of kaaba

HellVictorinho6:
As for the commandments... whether Allah's or Mohammed's...,they can always be disregarded even after prayers.

Does that make sense to you?

HellVictorinho6:
A Muslim can kill you for deceiving him or her whether or not the Quran says it's ok for you to lie!!!!

Even if you blasphemy against muhammad, you'll be killed and burn to ashes but as for ANTI.ISLAM, the guy is only using Quran and hadith to reveal the secret of islam

HellVictorinho6:
In fact,anybody can seek your demise for being deceitful even if such had also deceived some other person!!!!

In fact, these rascal Muslims will cut off your head for ogun (the god of iron) if you don't provide concrete evidences from either quran or hadith but as for ANTI.ISLAM, he do show Muslims what their Quran and hadith says during discussions which is far from being deceitful because their holy books testifies to his contributions

ANTIlSLAM:
Yes.. They do mention his name during shahada





Arab Christians do pray in the name of Allah that has a son called Jesus Christ and not the one (allah) that was caged inside the shrine and black stone of kaaba




Does that make sense to you?





Even if you blasphemy against muhammad, you'll be killed and burn to ashes but as for ANTI.ISLAM, the guy is only using Quran and hadith to reveal the secret of islam




In fact, these rascal Muslims will cut off your head for ogun (the god of iron) if you don't provide concrete evidences from either quran or hadith but as for ANTI.ISLAM, he do show Muslims what their Quran and hadith says during discussions which is far from being deceitful because their holy books testifies to his contributions

Shahada

Hadith

Quran


These things are meaningless to me.

alfarouq:
First golden ring or necklace is only forbidden for men not women.

Why?
Muhammad wore golden ring, he only stopped when everyone started wearing it. He didn’t stop because it was Haram, he just couldn’t stand the fact everyone was wearing it (Sahih Bukhari 7298)

Secondly, golden ring is different from golden colored ring.

Back up your claim with evidence from your Quran or Hadith

alfarouq:
In summary, muslim men can use silver rings, watches etc and GL rings even if the colour is golden color. Use of Gold is what is forbidding for men.

Women on the other hand can use Gold or Silver.

And Allah knows best.

Are you saying that this Hadith mentioned only men?

Sahih al-Bukhari 6222
Narrated Al-Bara:
The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered us to do seven (things) and forbade us from seven (other things): He ordered us to pay a visit to the sick, to follow funeral possessions, to say: May Allah be merciful to you to a sneezer, - if he says: Praise be to Allah, to accept invitation (invitation to a wedding banquet), to return greetings, to help the oppressed, and to help others to fulfill their oaths (provided it was not sinful). And he forbade us from seven (things): to wear golden rings or golden bangles, to wear silk (cloth), Dibaj, Sundus and Mayathir


When the narrator said the prophet ordered them to do 7 things, was the order only for men or women or both?

The group the order was directed to is the same group the forbiddance was directed to!

Lukuluku69:
I just wonder your fixation with what The Prophet forbids and not what Yahweh and his son forbids but you guys continue to do!

From the top of my head I can list many but it is non of my business.

It is true Thr Prophet forbids wearing of Gold apparels for MEN. Some don't know while some do. As for those who know and still flout the injuction, they have the Creator to answer for not me.

Why not do a details for what Christ forbids that your brethrens are joyously doing?

You can create your own thread for that.

My own thread is for you people.


The same set of people that Muhammad ordered to do 7 things is the same set of people he forbade to do the other 7 things.

Lukuluku69:
There is an Hadith for this.

The Prophet removed a Gold ring from a Companion finger and it is said that the Companion vowed never to even pick up the ring again.

Rings are allowed but not of Gold. Silver and other metals are allowed .

As for the women, no restrictions.

Thank you.

Did Muhammad wear golden ring or not?

NeoWanZaeed:
For the sake of people who would like to learn.

As long as there's hadith on an issue. I Follow it



We Muslims take the proof of our religion from Quran, hadiths and the understanding of the sahabahs.

We don't pick proofs of our religion from Saudi or from Muslims.

EOD

Then follow this Hadith too if you’re truthful

Use water where menstrual rags and dead dogs are thrown into to do ablution:


Sunan an-Nasa'i 326
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said:
"It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?'He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"

Ekrenji:
Thank u but u should have included the references so that people can check them up to confirm the veracity of your submission.

Do they understand their own books?