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MrPresident1:
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Lol. When you catch them in their foolishness, they result to insults. Funny child.

tctrills:
Good we are on the same page.

I am on chapters and pages ahead of that you call same page

tctrills:
Christ died for all sins. Now to the next part, do we need to accept Jesus Christ to he save? If yes, what about those who did not hear about him? Or are there 2 standards for salvation?
Again if people can be saved without hearing about Jesus Christ then what is the purpose of preaching if not to save souls?

1. What in word, thats five letters, is Jesus saving from?
2. What does a judge check and plan to offer someone accused of a crime that carries a death penalty?
3. What should the accuse do, if he/she has no SAN to represent him/her
4. Did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera hear about Jesus?
5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

MaxInDHouse:
You're partially correct with this but if you want to know what the Bible says on the topic of discussion i'll be pleased to share it with you.
I am Maximus one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

I would like to know

tctrills:
So are you saying that people can be saved by conscience? If conscience is enough to save then why did Jesus have to come? We all could have been saved by conscience then?

Try to read vividly,I mean before the Jesus come,na Conscience they will use to judge them

AntiChristian:
which verse supports this?

When I get the verse I will type you up

tctrills:
I actually have two questions here.
1. What is the life's purpose of those who from the times of Adam, never heard about Jesus Christ.
Why were they created without an opportunity to hear about Jesus Christ?
2. What would be their fate in the end?

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But for the grace of GOD in YESHUA, the CHRIST... all humanity would have been lost. Those whom HE saves from judgment are justified - GOD having stood in their place, but those who are not must pay for their own sins.

"For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law" - Romans 2:11-12

xproducer:
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But for the grace of GOD in YESHUA, the CHRIST... all humanity would have been lost. Those whom HE saves from judgment are justified - GOD having stood in their place, but those who are not must pay for their own sins.

"For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law" - Romans 2:11-12

You really did not answer any of the questions.

tctrills:
You really did not answer any of the questions.

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The response is highlighted in red text... enough stated.

"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power" - 1 Corinthians 2:4

xproducer:
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The response is highlighted in red text... enough stated.

"And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power" - 1 Corinthians 2:4

lol ok

Odebayo4010:
When I get the verse I will type you up

I thought you had the verse before making the comment?

AntiChristian:
I thought you had the verse before making the comment?

Romans 2:12-16
“12) For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13) for not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.HOPE HAVE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RIGHT?

NNTR:
I am on chapters and pages ahead of that you call same page

1. What in word, thats five letters, is Jesus saving from?
2. What does a judge check and plan to offer someone accused of a crime that carries a death penalty?
3. What should the accuse do, if he/she has no SAN to represent him/her
4. Did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera hear about Jesus?
5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I see you don't want to answer the question. As for your questions:
1. Please reword question 1. It is not making sense to me.
2. Same goes for number 2.
3. You don't need a SAN to represent you, any lawyer would do.
4. Since the time of Adam, Jesus Christ was preached.
5. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ would be saved according to the bible. Except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

Odebayo4010:
Try to read vividly,I mean before the Jesus come,na Conscience they will use to judge them

I perfectly understand you but you are the one not understanding me.
If conscience could save men from sin before the coming of Christ, then why did Jesus Christ need to come. Since we could be saved without him by conscience then there would not have been any need for his coming.
That means if he did not come, we all would have been saved by conscience. Or let's say there are 2 saviours according to you, conscience and Jesus Christ.

Odebayo4010:
I would like to know

After Adam and Eve the first Name WRITTEN for a remembrance regarding resurrection is "ABEL" {Hebrews 11:4} this man was faithful so in God's memory Abel's name was recorded as a RIGHTEOUS man.
Many like Abel also practiced pure worship so their names were WRITTEN in God's memory as RIGHTEOUS ones. But there were many who never knew anything about pure worship though they practiced all forms of worship they met or knew since they want to worship God so God recorded their names too because they lived by conscience as UNRIGHTEOUS ones as they don't know the righteousness of God. Act 24:15

But most humans were heartless they don't care if their lifestyle is negatively affecting others these ones has been forgotten they will not be remembered during the resurrection of the dead! Psalms 9:17

Odebayo4010:
Romans 2:12-16
“12) For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13) for not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.HOPE HAVE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RIGHT?

This verse was quoted earlier by xproducer.
This was brought by Paul. How can you sin without "the Law"?

Cc Tctrills

AntiChristian:
This verse was quoted earlier by xproducer.
This was brought by Paul. How can you sin without "the Law"?

Cc Tctrills

Which law was Paul talking about? Was it the law of Moses?
Since the time of Adam, all humans have an idea of Good and evil. This knowledge was the most important ingredient in building society as we know it. So even without the law of Moses, people could sin.

tctrills:
I perfectly understand you but you are the one not understanding me.
If conscience could save men from sin before the coming of Christ, then why did Jesus Christ need to come. Since we could be saved without him by conscience then there would not have been any need for his coming.
That means if he did not come, we all would have been saved by conscience. Or let's say there are 2 saviours according to you, conscience and Jesus Christ.

You quote me wrong,when I said before the Jesus came,I mean during Moses time,when they haven't give birth to Jesus Christ

AntiChristian:
This verse was quoted earlier by xproducer.
This was brought by Paul. How can you sin without "the Law"?

Cc Tctrills

What I observe in you is that,you're Talking out of Frustration

Odebayo4010:
You quote me wrong,when I said before the Jesus came,I mean during Moses time,when they haven't give birth to Jesus Christ

I perfectly understand you. Let's take a step back.

So you are saying that in the days of Moses, people found salvation through having a clear conscience right? Now my question is if a clear conscience could save in the days of Moses, then what is the purpose of the coming of Christ? So according to you, if Christ did not come, salvation would still be obtainable via the conscience path. Hence, according to you, Christ coming did not usher in salvation since it was already available through a clear conscience. So why did Christ come?

tctrills:
Which law was Paul talking about? Was it the law of Moses?
Since the time of Adam, all humans have an idea of Good and evil. This knowledge was the most important ingredient in building society as we know it. So even without the law of Moses, people could sin.

Same Law Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:17-18
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.

Adam won't have transgressed if there was no law prohibiting him from that particular tree!

Odebayo4010:
What I observe in you is that,you're Talking out of Frustration

You observed wrong. But then, many Nigerians are frustrated so I see where you are coming from. I advise that we don't go off-topic and make this about ourselves. I understand that we don't always have all answers so it's okay to say you don't have the answers and allow others to share their opinions.

Odebayo4010:
What I observe in you is that, you're Talking out of Frustration

Ah Ah! Where is the frustration here?

AntiChristian:
Same Law Jesus was referring to in Matthew 5:17-18
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them. For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law.

Adam won't have transgressed if there was no law prohibiting him from that particular tree!

I think we are mostly on the same page. So Paul was talking about the law of Moses. My point is, even before the coming of Moses, men understood good and evil.

tctrills:
I see you don't want to answer the question.

I have more than one time, already answered your question, even Odebayo4010 too, has answered you question

tctrills:
As for your questions:

You mean questions you half heartedly answer, and where you didnt half hearted answered you changed the questions to suit your manufactured convenient vested interest prepared answers.

tctrills:
1. Please reword question 1. It is not making sense to me.
2. Same goes for number 2.
3. You don't need a SAN to represent you, any lawyer would do.
4. Since the time of Adam, Jesus Christ was preached.
5. Only those who believe in Jesus Christ would be saved according to the bible. Except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

I'll fill in the correct way answers with their matching questions

1. What in word, thats five letters, is Jesus saving from?
Ans:
Death (i.e. the wages of sin is death. We are saved from the second death, and Lake of Fire)

2. What does a judge check and plan to offer someone accused of a crime that carries a death penalty?
Ans:
Judges would ask if has a legal representative, if answer is No, then, will offer the accuser free legal aid, that comes with having a lawyer free

3. What should the accuse do, if he/she has no SAN to represent him/her
Ans:
The advantage of the free legal aid the justice system provides, accept the services of the available SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno

4. Did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera hear about Jesus?
Ans:
No, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera never heard about Jesus?

5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?
Ans:
Yes, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
I have more than one time, already answered your question, even Odebayo4010 too, has answered you question

You mean questions you half heartedly answer, and where you didnt half hearted answered you changed the questions to suit your manufactured convenient vested interest prepared answers.

I'll fill in the correct way answers with their matching questions

1. What in word, thats five letters, is Jesus saving from?
Ans:
Death (i.e. the wages of sin is death. We are saved from the second death, and Lake of Fire)

2. What does a judge check and plan to offer someone accused of a crime that carries a death penalty?
Ans:
Judges would ask if has a legal representative, if answer is No, then, will offer the accuser free legal aid, that comes with having a lawyer free

3. What should the accuse do, if he/she has no SAN to represent him/her
Ans:
The advantage of the free legal aid the justice system provides, accept the services of the available SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno

4. Did Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera hear about Jesus?
Ans:
No, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera never heard about Jesus?

5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?
Ans:
Yes, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

As I said, you have not been able to answer my questions. Let me make it easy for you with simple questions.
1. Those that never heard of Christ, would they be saved from sin and death?
2. If yes, would they enter the Kindom of God?
Lets start from these simple questions

Sorry the jesus they gave you is an impostor and can't save anyone. The msg that brings salvation comes at endtime. Even your pastors will hear it cos they teach error. The dead you talked of will all reincarnate/reborn/born again to hear it bf the end. Without believing that msg you can't get into the kingdom. Your religions are all in error

tctrills:
As I said, you have not been able to answer my questions.

There's nothing to answer in your rabbit hole of question

tctrills:
Let me make it easy for you with simple questions.
1. Those that never heard of Christ, would they be saved from sin and death?

5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?
Ans:
Yes, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

If Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved from sin and death without hearing about Jesus Christ then, those that never heard of Christ, if on judgment day, they too accept Jesus as their Lord, Saviour and Advocate (i.e. SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno)), then absolutely they would be saved from sin and death

tctrills:
2. If yes, would they enter the Kindom of God?

If Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ and would enter the Kingdom of God, then, if they too, on judgment day, accept Jesus as their Lord , Saviour and Advocate (i.e. SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno)), then absolutely, they would enter on a red carpet, the Kingdom of God.

tctrills:
Lets start from these simple questions

Smh, small yansh too dey shake

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

NNTR:
There's nothing to answer in your rabbit hole of question



5. Are Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?
Ans:
Yes, Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ?

If Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved from sin and death without hearing about Jesus Christ then, those that never heard of Christ, if on judgment day, they too accept Jesus as their Lord, Saviour and Advocate (i.e. SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno)), then absolutely they would be saved from sin and death

If Adam, Eve, Abel, Seth, Enoch, Methuselah, Noah, Moses, Elijah et cetera are saved without hearing about Jesus Christ and would enter the Kingdom of God, then, if they too, on judgment day, accept Jesus as their Lord , Saviour and Advocate (i.e. SAN (e.g. Senior Advocate Numero Uno)), then absolutely, they would enter on a red carpet, the Kingdom of God.

Smh, small yansh too dey shake

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Finally you have been able to provide direct answers. So you answer is, on Judgement day, everyone would have a second chance to accept Jesus Christ. Do you have any scripture that says so or is this just your opinion.

The bible also revealed that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that he is Lord. So are you saying that everyone shall be saved?

bobestman:
Sorry the jesus they gave you is an impostor and can't save anyone. The msg that brings salvation comes at endtime. Even your pastors will hear it cos they teach error. The dead you talked of will all reincarnate/reborn/born again to hear it bf the end. Without believing that msg you can't get into the kingdom. Your religions are all in error

Your opinion noted

tctrills:
Finally you have been able to provide direct answers.

Smh. Splash it on your body

tctrills:
So you answer is, on Judgement day, everyone would have a second chance to accept Jesus Christ. Do you have any scripture that says so or is this just your opinion.

The bible also revealed that at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess that he is Lord. So are you saying that everyone shall be saved?

1 John 2:1
'My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin.
But if anyone does sin,
we have an Advocate who pleads our case before the Father.
He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.'

Read my lips. In the court of Heaven, the Just Judge would give everyone the opportunity to accept Jesus, as an Advocate who will plead people's cases before God

Now, please carry go and dont quote me on this thread again

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

tctrills:
As I said, you have not been able to answer my questions. Let me make it easy for you with simple questions.
1. Those that never heard of Christ, would they be saved from sin and death?
2. If yes, would they enter the Kindom of God?
Lets start from these simple questions

That is why I said earlier that they will use there Conscience to judge they,according to there doing whether they do Good or bad,because one knows in his mind what's right and wrong

tctrills:
I perfectly understand you. Let's take a step back.

So you are saying that in the days of Moses, people found salvation through having a clear conscience right? Now my question is if a clear conscience could save in the days of Moses, then what is the purpose of the coming of Christ? So according to you, if Christ did not come, salvation would still be obtainable via the conscience path. Hence, according to you, Christ coming did not usher in salvation since it was already available through a clear conscience. So why did Christ come?

OK let me enlight you,when God wanted to destroyed the whole world due to there Great Sin,He now ask all the Angel one by one if anyone of them can sacrifice are body for the whole World for him to over look there sin,but all the Angel reject it except Jesus Christ is the one that Surrender himself to Die for the Sin of the whole World,DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION RIGHT?