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tctrills:
You are getting more dishonest. You have refused to show were God said he never called a non Israel prophet. Your defense is that God told the house of Israel that he is the God of their father. Even you in your heart knows that you are not making sense. But you must argue because that's how you guys are taught. Even if someone teaches you nonsense, you are not a kid and clearly, you are not dull. So no need to pretend to be dull just to keep spitting your false talking point.

Do you BELIEVE (TRUST) the Bible?

There are thousands of people from different races throughout the earth that performed signs and wonders before Jesus' time and their names are recorded in other history books but none of them worships the God of Israel whose worshipers must only worship Him in the Temple built in Jerusalem that's why Jesus when asked a question regarding the controversy going on between the two regions of Israel called Samaritans and Jews about the religion acceptable to God {John 4:19-20} Jesus confirmed that before his time only the worship rendered in Jerusalem had God's approval! John 4:22
So if God distinctly chose between the Israelites whose worship He approves what makes you think He will approve any other outside Israel talkless granting anyone outside Israel the ability to perform miracles?

Of course all those nations are worshipers of demons {1Corinthians 10:20} so get it clear today that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob never approve anyone outside Israel to perform miracles!

tctrills:
Very foolish argument. Because the bible did not mention a non Israel prophet is not argument for a none Israel prophet. An honest person would say that the bible never told if there was a non Israel prophet in the bible. Simple.
Again, that argument is useless because even from reading the bible, you are not given the names of all Israel prophets. So why should you expect a list of non Israel prophets in a record kept by the children of Israel. You know your argument is faulty so why waste our time with it?

tctrills:
You claim to be a teacher but except for your beautiful arts your teachings are inferior, dependent on guesswork and not backed by scripture.
In the words of Fela, teacher don't teach me nonsense.

Pharaoh of Egypt had a dream but only an Israelite was given the interpretation.

God sent Moses to perform miracles in Egypt and Egyptians also tried the same thing and it was recorded that the true God was the one backing Moses, but who is behind the magic practicing priests of Egypt?

Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had a dream and out of all the princes taken from different races throughout the inhabited earth only an Israelite was given the interpretation.

Naaman the Syrian general had leprosy a disease incurable in ancient times and only in Israel was found a prophet who cured him.

Ọmọ if you're still doubting the fact that God never approved anyone as prophet outside Israel you can continue with your research.

I wish you good luck!

MaxInDHouse:
Pharaoh of Egypt had a dream but only an Israelite was given the interpretation.

God sent Moses to perform miracles in Egypt and Egyptians also tried the same thing and it was recorded that the true God was the one backing Moses, but who is behind the magic practicing priests of Egypt?

Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon had a dream and out of all the princes taken from different races throughout the inhabited earth only an Israelite was given the interpretation.

Naaman the Syrian general had leprosy a disease incurable in ancient times and only in Israel was found a prophet who cured him.

Ọmọ if you're still doubting the fact that God never approved anyone as prophet outside Israel you can continue with your research.

I wish you good luck!

Your argument again is pure guesswork. Egypt, Babylon and Syria are just 3 countries at 3 different times.
Your are a smart guy so stop making unnecessary points. So you new point is because at some particular period, there was no prophet in Egypt, Babylon and Syria hence there was never a non Israel prophet?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you BELIEVE (TRUST) the Bible?

There are thousands of people from different races throughout the earth that performed signs and wonders before Jesus' time and their names are recorded in other history books but none of them worships the God of Israel whose worshipers must only worship Him in the Temple built in Jerusalem that's why Jesus when asked a question regarding the controversy going on between the two regions of Israel called Samaritans and Jews about the religion acceptable to God {John 4:19-20} Jesus confirmed that before his time only the worship rendered in Jerusalem had God's approval! John 4:22
So if God distinctly chose between the Israelites whose worship He approves what makes you think He will approve any other outside Israel talkless granting anyone outside Israel the ability to perform miracles?

Of course all those nations are worshipers of demons {1Corinthians 10:20} so get it clear today that the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob never approve anyone outside Israel to perform miracles!

Oga your guesswork religion does not work.
Wait you claim that God could only be worshiped in Jerusalem? Is that your official church dortrine.
That no one could worship God outside the city of Jerusalem?
No wonder Daniel could no longer worship God in Babylon. What a doctrine.

tctrills:
Your argument again is pure guesswork. Egypt, Babylon and Syria are just 3 countries at 3 different times.
Your are a smart guy so stop making unnecessary points. So you new point is because at some particular period, there was no prophet in Egypt, Babylon and Syria hence there was never a non Israel prophet?

Why not just mention one approved prophet of God that is not an Israelite?

tctrills:
Oga your guesswork religion does not work.
Wait you claim that God could only be worshiped in Jerusalem? Is that your official church dortrine.
That no one could worship God outside the city of Jerusalem?
No wonder Daniel could no longer worship God in Babylon. What a doctrine.

Daniel knew very well that God will never approve any form of worship outside Jerusalem but since Jerusalem and it's temple has been destroyed Daniel opened his window and faced Jerusalem to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who only approves worship offered in Jerusalem:

But as soon as Daniel knew that the decree had been signed, he went to his house, which had the windows of his roof chamber open toward Jerusalem. And three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed and offered praise before his God, as he had regularly done prior to this. Daniel 6:10

Ọmọ i'm not interested in grieving you but just acknowledge that whatever you hear from me regarding worshiping the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is indisputable!

MaxInDHouse:
Daniel knew very well that God will never approve any form of worship outside Jerusalem but since Jerusalem and it's temple has been destroyed Daniel opened his window and faced Jerusalem to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who only approves worship offered in Jerusalem:

But as soon as Daniel knew that the decree had been signed, he went to his house, which had the windows of his roof chamber open toward Jerusalem. And three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed and offered praise before his God, as he had regularly done prior to this. Daniel 6:10

Ọmọ i'm not interested in grieving you but just acknowledge that whatever you hear from me regarding worshiping the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is indisputable!

So you believe other people could not open their windows to Jerusalem right. Also Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego requested for a Jerusalem facing furnace ? Elijah did much of his work outside Jerusalem.
Jonah was sent to preach Jehovah in a non Israel city.

MaxInDHouse:
Why not just mention one approved prophet of God that is not an Israelite?

You have asked this foolish question before and I explained why it is foolish. since you forgot, let me teach you again. Now I tried to make you understand that just because we don't know that something exist does not mean it does not exist. Do you understand? God never said in the bible that only the children of Israel could be prophets.

MaxInDHouse:
Why not just mention one approved prophet of God that is not an Israelite?

Melchizedek

tctrills:
So you believe other people could not open their windows to Jerusalem right. Also Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego requested for a Jerusalem facing furnace ? Elijah did much of his work outside Jerusalem.
Jonah was sent to preach Jehovah in a non Israel city.

They all knew that the only place God approves as center for pure worship is JERUSALEM!

tctrills:
You have asked this foolish question before and I explained why it is foolish. since you forgot, let me teach you again. Now I tried to make you understand that just because we don't know that something exist does not mean it does not exist. Do you understand? God never said in the bible that only the children of Israel could be prophets.

Of course prophets of false gods are found in other places but only Israelites are the ones approved by the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

tctrills:
Melchizedek

Melchizedek is the King Priest of what place?

For your information Melchizedek served God in the same place before Abraham and his family arrived to settle in that place. Salem is the short term for Jerusalem! Genesis 14:18

MaxInDHouse:
Melchizedek is the King Priest of what place?

For your information Melchizedek served God in the same place before Abraham and his family arrived to settle in that place. Salem is the short term for Jerusalem! Genesis 14:18

Oga Melchizedek was not an Israel ancestor. Don't change the argument. You asked that I give you a none Israel prophet and here it is. But as the politician you are, you move the mark.
If you ask me to show you people who worshipped God out of Jerusalem. I would give you a good number. So which question is it Mr politician?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course prophets of false gods are found in other places but only Israelites are the ones approved by the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob!

Your opinion. Guesswork religion.

MaxInDHouse:
They all knew that the only place God approves as center for pure worship is JERUSALEM!

Should I give you a list of people who worshipped outside Jerusalem? And if I do, would you agree you are wrong?

Oh NO!
So you think Melchizedek was a prophet?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, this is why i told you that if JWs didn't teach you there's nothing you can understand in our book (Bible)

Let's check the Bible:

God called the first person to become a prophet from the burning bush {Exodus 3:1-5} and after the holy nation has been assembled God told His prophet to anoint the first PRIEST for Israel {Exodus 28:41} so throughout the history of God's people PRIESTS are serving in the temple while PROPHETS only prophesy and perform miraculous works.

Melchizedek was a PRIEST Sir not a PROPHET!

But the fact that he served as a priest of the Most High God Abraham the father of faithful people met him and sought for blessing from the way he observed Melchizedek Abraham realized that this man is not just an ordinary man. Hebrews 7:1-3

So if you're interested in knowing about PROPHETS of the true God none as in none was called out from any other nation except Israelites! Exodus 19:5 compare to Psalms 135:4

tctrills:
Oga Melchizedek was not an Israel ancestor. Don't change the argument. You asked that I give you a none Israel prophet and here it is. But as the politician you are, you move the mark.
If you ask me to show you people who worshipped God out of Jerusalem. I would give you a good number. So which question is it Mr politician?

tctrills:
Should I give you a list of people who worshipped outside Jerusalem? And if I do, would you agree you are wrong?

Ọmọ no form of worship outside Israel was approved unless after the destruction of that city (Jerusalem) or after Jesus has declared that pure worship will no longer be attached to a geographical location {John 4:20-24} but before then all servants of God focus on the temple in Jerusalem. Only in Israel God's spirit works for divine intervention back then!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ no form of worship outside Israel was approved unless after the destruction of that city (Jerusalem) or after Jesus has declared that pure worship will no longer be attached to a geographical location {John 4:20-24} but before then all servants of God focus on the temple in Jerusalem. Only in Israel God's spirit works for divine intervention back then!

No more Jerusalem . Did the captive Israelite worship God in Babylon or not?

MaxInDHouse:
Oh NO!
So you think Melchizedek was a prophet?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, this is why i told you that if JWs didn't teach you there's nothing you can understand in our book (Bible)

Let's check the Bible:

God called the first person to become a prophet from the burning bush {Exodus 3:1-5} and after the holy nation has been assembled God told His prophet to anoint the first PRIEST for Israel {Exodus 28:41} so throughout the history of God's people PRIESTS are serving in the temple while PROPHETS only prophesy and perform miraculous works.

Melchizedek was a PRIEST Sir not a PROPHET!

But the fact that he served as a priest of the Most High God Abraham the father of faithful people met him and sought for blessing from the way he observed Melchizedek Abraham realized that this man is not just an ordinary man. Hebrews 7:1-3

So if you're interested in knowing about PROPHETS of the true God none as in none was called out from any other nation except Israelites! Exodus 19:5 compare to Psalms 135:4

Ok I get you, God called only Israelite prophets but gentile Priests. Is that the point you are trying to make.

tctrills:
No more Jerusalem . Did the captive Israelite worship God in Babylon or not?

Do you mean when God has turned His back on Jerusalem and allowed it to be burnt down with it's temple?

YES!

God approved the worship of His loyal ones who still believe (trust) in Him anywhere they may be!

MaxInDHouse:
Do you mean when God has turned His back on Jerusalem and allowed it to be burnt down with it's temple?

YES!

God approved the worship of His loyal ones who still believe (trust) in Him anywhere they may be!

Yes God's people worship him anywhere they may be. All your arguments before these have been of no use.
So now since we both believe that faithful people can worship anywhere, even Faithful none Israelites did not have to be in Jerusalem to worship him.
So you lied when you said one could only worship God in Jerusalem. Faithful people have never been restricted by location. They have worshiped wherever they found themselves.

tctrills:
Ok I get you, God called only Israelite prophets but gentile Priests. Is that the point you are trying to make.

The idea "gentiles" was after the establishment of God's Holy nation before then Job who was from the far east {Job 1:1} was also acknowledged by God as His servant {Job 1:8} but not a prophet to perform any miracles.

From the day God established his covenant with the Israelites {Exodus 19:5} He never ever chose any prophet in any other region outside Israel.

I know all you want now is just to find where i was wrong in all i've been TEACHING you so that you can console yourself that there's no need learning from JWs but ọmọ that's not going to be possible for now.

It's the spirit of Jehovah that's speaking this things not the man Maximus so humble yourself and learn i may not be in a right frame of mind some other time so this is the time to learn not looking for ways to argue!

MaxInDHouse:
The idea "gentiles" was after the establishment of God's Holy nation before then Job who was from the far east {Job 1:1} was also acknowledged by God as His servant {Job 1:8} but not a prophet to perform any miracles.

From the day God established his covenant with the Israelites {Exodus 19:5} He never ever chose any prophet in any other region outside Israel.

I know all you want now is just to find where i was wrong in all i've been TEACHING you so that you can console yourself that there's no need learning from JWs but ọmọ that's not going to be possible for now.

It's the spirit of Jehovah that's speaking this things not the man Maximus so humble yourself and learn i may not be in a right frame of mind some other time so this is the time to learn not looking for ways to argue!

Now you are super confused. Thanks for bringing up Job. I was about to Go there.
So clearly we have enough examples of non Israel followers of God in the old testament. Who worshipped out of Israel.
So now I ask you, what verse of Bible shows that God never called a non Israel prophet?
Not your opinion this time but from the word of God. I am listening.
I don't need to go far to prove you wrong. You have done it to yourself.
You claim no one could worship outside Jerusalem. We found you were lying.
You claimed all gentiles worshipped false Gods again you were being dishonest because you knew the truth all along. I don't need to prove anything with you. The more we discuss, the more I open your eyes

tctrills:
Yes God's people worship him anywhere they may be. All your arguments before these have been of no use.
So now since we both believe that faithful people can worship anywhere, even Faithful none Israelites did not have to be in Jerusalem to worship him.
So you lied when you said one could only worship God in Jerusalem. Faithful people have never been restricted by location. They have worshiped wherever they found themselves.

You're misconstrueing the whole thing!

There's no form of worship that's not based on the words God spoke from JERUSALEM that was ever approved by God!
Elijah was a Samaritan by birth but throughout his life he kept telling Samaritans that only in Jerusalem that God established pure worship.
So if anyone wants to worship the true God back then in any other location apart from Jerusalem they must do things everything in accord with what was written in the laws of God that's kept in the temple in Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

tctrills:
Now you are super confused. Thanks for bringing up Job. I was about to Go there.
So clearly we have enough examples of non Israel followers of God in the old testament. Who worshipped out of Israel.
So now I ask you, what verse of Bible shows that God never called a non Israel prophet?
Not your opinion this time but from the word of God. I am listening.

Genesis 17:15-21

Stated that God's covenant for pure worship will be established through Isaac (Abraham's son) and it was later established with Jacob (Isaac's second son) so before then people who worship going by their conscience were acknowledge by God as servants of God but none was acknowledge as a PROPHET of God!

MaxInDHouse:
You're misconstrueing the whole thing!

There's no form of worship that's not based on the words God spoke from JERUSALEM that was ever approved by God!
Elijah was a Samaritan by birth but throughout his life he kept telling Samaritans that only in Jerusalem that God established pure worship.
So if anyone wants to worship the true God back then in any other location apart from Jerusalem they must do things everything in accord with what was written in the laws of God that's kept in the temple in Jerusalem! Isaiah 2:3

Loool
Now he is bouncing all over and changing his story.
Let's retrace our steps.
1. You said there had been no non Israel prophet. You still hold to that.
2. You lied that all non Jews worship false Gods. Now you have changed your position. Melchizedek and Job did not worship false Gods.
3. You claimed worship could only take place in Jerusalem. You have admitted that you lied.
4. Now you bring up a new point that not based on the words God spoke from JERUSALEM. But this is the most funny of all your points because. God introduced the form of worship to Israel not in Jerusalem but on the wilderness. The children of Israel worshipped their God many years before they captured the city of Jerusalem.
Let me teach you, there is a whole 500 years between God introducing his worship to Israel and the capture of Jerusalem by David.
Loooooool
I am sure you are about to change and lie again.

MaxInDHouse:
Genesis 17:15-21

Stated that God's covenant for pure worship will be established through Isaac (Abraham's son) and it was later established with Jacob (Isaac's second son) so before then people who worship going by their conscience were acknowledge by God as servants of God but none was acknowledge as a PROPHET of God!

Oga just this morning you claim that all gentiles worshipped false Gods loooool.
Now what verse says no non Israel prophet. Just tell the verse and I would immediately become a JW member.

tctrills:
Loool
Now he is bouncing all over and changing his story.
Let's retrace our steps.
1. You said there had been no non Israel prophet. You still hold to that.
2. You lied that all non Jews worship false Gods. Now you have changed your position. Melchizedek and Job did not worship false Gods.
3. You claimed worship could only take place in Jerusalem. You have admitted that you lied.
4. Now you bring up a new point that not based on the words God spoke from JERUSALEM. But this is the most funny of all your points because. God introduced the form of worship to Israel not in Jerusalem but on the wilderness. The children of Israel worshipped their God many years before they captured the city of Jerusalem.
Let me teach you, there is a whole 500 years between God introducing his worship to Israel and the capture of Jerusalem by David.
Loooooool
I am sure you are about to change and lie again.

tctrills:
Oga just this morning you claim that all gentiles worshipped false Gods loooool.
Now what verse says no non Israel prophet. Just tell the verse and I would immediately become a JW member.

If you truthfully want to retrace then you should start from where i told you "there is no gentile given the power to perform miracles!"

That should be your starting point, all these are digressions but they're also relevant to the point we're trying to establish.

God never gave anyone the power to perform miracles apart from Israelites, then you shifted saying prophets were found in other nations so i told you that's not possible because God only established His covenant with the descendants of Jacob (Israel)

Then you want to shift again to times before the birth of the man called "ISRAEL" and i told you that God surely acknowledged faithful people before then but after the establishment of His covenant with the nation of Israel anyone who wants to worship Him must follow all the commandments given to the Israelites which is kept in His temple in Jerusalem.

Then you shifted again saying Israelites who were exiled worshiped God in exile and i told you that it was because Jerusalem and it's temple has been destroyed by then.

So you can only run but you can't hide!

MaxInDHouse:
If you truthfully want to retrace then you should start from where i told you "there is no gentile given the power to perform miracles!"

That should be your starting point, all these are digressions but they're also relevant to the point we're trying to establish.

God never gave anyone the power to perform miracles apart from Israelites, then you shifted saying prophets were found in other nations so i told you that's not possible because God only established His covenant with the descendants of Jacob (Israel)

Then you want to shift again to times before the birth of the man called "ISRAEL" and i told you that God surely acknowledged faithful people before then but after the establishment of His covenant with the nation of Israel anyone who wants to worship Him must follow all the commandments given to the Israelites which is kept in His temple in Jerusalem.

Then you shifted again saying Israelites who were exiled worshiped God in exile and i told you that it was because Jerusalem and it's temple has been destroyed by then.

So you can only run but you can't hide!

Now we have proven almost all you said to be wrong.
And even this your present position can't be substantiated. What verse in the bible did God say he wouldn't give a gentile the power to perform miracles? The guesswork religion at work

Straw-man's argument!
You just mention one prophet of God that's not an Israelite in the Bible!

tctrills:
Now we have proven almost all you said to be wrong.
And even this your present position can't be substantiated. What verse in the bible did God say he wouldn't give a gentile the power to perform miracles? The guesswork religion at work

MaxInDHouse:
Straw-man's argument!
You just mention one prophet of God that's not an Israelite in the Bible!

That's not how it works. I only say what has been revealed. I don't guess either way.
I think I have finally discovered the major difference between us.
One of us depends on the revealed words of God while the other depends on the Guesswork of some men in America.

MaxInDHouse:
Straw-man's argument!
You just mention one prophet of God that's not an Israelite in the Bible!

If God reveals non Israel prophet today, that's good for me.

But then Melchizedek and Job are 100% prophets. A prophet is someone who God reveals his word for the rest of us and job fits that definitely.Still let's not change the topic. Let's pretend they are not prophets. Let's pretend the bible never mentioned s non Israel prophet.
The difference between you and I is that I don't fill in the gap for God. I wait on the Lord. I believe in his revelations.
But your American people created their own doctrine and told their own stories. They were not satisfied with where God left it and decided to take it a step further. So when you say by their works we shall know them, for you guys it's all guesswork.