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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by en1gma12: 3:18pm On Jan 18, 2023
3strikes:



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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by GloriousGbola: 3:23pm On Jan 18, 2023
MrOkenwa:

Yes I filed for a dispute and possible cashback through my bank because the transaction was not initiated by me.
Visa said that the transaction was successfully carried out using the correct information on the card, no hacking was involved. Hence, undisputed.
The card was used to purchase gift cards which were redeemed same day.


Amen sir. Thank you

This could be what is known as friendlt/family fraud. Where a member of the family or someeone close to you uses your card.

It could also be a situation where you unwittingly shared your card info with someone. Back in the day my hod used to send all of us to withdraw money from the atm for him. A silly power move in retrospect.anyways we had a youth corper who then in conjunction with his wayo friends used to card details for some transactions. It was really messy.

There was an experience I had two years ago that I now think was my kids buying Minecraft dlc.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 3:26pm On Jan 18, 2023
GloriousGbola:


This could be what is known as friendlt/family fraud. Where a member of the family or someeone close to you uses your card.

It could also be a situation where you unwittingly shared your card info with someone. Back in the day my hod used to send all of us to withdraw money from the atm for him. A silly power move in retrospect.anyways we had a youth corper who then in conjunction with his wayo friends used to card details for some transactions. It was really messy.

There was an experience I had two years ago that I now think was my kids buying Minecraft dlc.

On point.

Which is why one must be very careful with POS.

Some have the practiced art of memorizing card numbers on sight.

Your card numbers should be treated as very confidential.

I guess he would be shocked to learn who actually used that card

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by hslbroker2(m): 5:09pm On Jan 18, 2023
Check my signature for your woods and iron rods
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BrickDevo: 5:49pm On Jan 18, 2023
Conference room interior design with a touch of green

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by blyted: 6:05pm On Jan 18, 2023
BrickDevo:
Conference room interior design with a touch of green

"A touch of green"

The word green came by painting or led lighting or energy efficiency .... Or the plant on the wall makes it green

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 6:16pm On Jan 18, 2023
hslbroker2:
Check my signature for your woods and iron rods
The building in that pics you posted is my project.
Anyway thanks for promoting us

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 6:18pm On Jan 18, 2023
To add to the discussion of height and water pressure.

If one does not want a very high water tank, then he needs a booster pump, then he can keep the tank at any other height since the pump will do the work of creating pressure.

Money that would have been spent on a very long structurally sound tank-carrying structure can be spent on a pump.

I haven't done a comparison to say which approach is cheaper than the other

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BrickDevo: 6:24pm On Jan 18, 2023
blyted:


"A touch of green"

The word green came by painting or led lighting or energy efficiency .... Or the plant on the wall makes it green
Yes to all but without the energy efficiency part you stated
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by GloriousGbola: 6:46pm On Jan 18, 2023
FEGEITOK:
To add to the discussion of height and water pressure.

If one does not want a very high water tank, then he needs a booster pump, then he can keep the tank at any other height since the pump will do the work of creating pressure.

Money that would have been spent on a very long structurally sound tank-carrying structure can be spent on a pump.

I haven't done a comparison to say which approach is cheaper than the other

Which introduces an additional power drain. Fine if you always have nepa.problem if you run on gen

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bobkezel(m): 7:15pm On Jan 18, 2023
Hatesin:


No. The only place they know to put V.T is in the mouth of the home owner so that his visitors will not even have to stress themselves standing up to pee.
grin grin grin grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bobkezel(m): 7:19pm On Jan 18, 2023
Siunit26:


One of the reasons most people think is better is that their parlor is a room at 9t for visitors.
They can easily use it without going outside grin grin.
It does not make no sense....
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 7:21pm On Jan 18, 2023
GloriousGbola:


Which introduces an additional power drain. Fine if you always have nepa.problem if you run on gen

True that
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FEGEITOK: 7:23pm On Jan 18, 2023
blyted:


"A touch of green"

The word green came by painting or led lighting or energy efficiency .... Or the plant on the wall makes it green

I am also watching and I am yet to see any architect or builder on this platform reference the Nigerian BEEC or clearly state that the Nigerian BEEC influenced the design and build

Neither have I seen anyone say this or that was incorporated because of Energy Efficiency considerations
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by GloriousGbola: 7:33pm On Jan 18, 2023
BrickDevo:
Conference room interior design with a touch of green

No ACs seen

That suspended light looks industrial. What you expect is fancy ceiling led lights.

Maybe also ceiling speakers and an amplifier somewhere. Also they usually come with 2 monitors not one
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by walexProjects(m): 7:36pm On Jan 18, 2023
Hatesin:


My brother, those visitors toilets sef. They will look nice in the drawing but by the time you start using them, you understand the real thing. Not every visitor knows how to use it and by the time they mess up your house two times, you will be forced to lock it up.

Actually, when the right thing is done . You won't have any issue.
In that visitor's toilet, in order to evacuate the foul smell quickly from leaking into the sitting room, You must have a properly designed Extractor fan.
Another mechanism put in place even if there's power outage is the vent cowl of the 100mm Soil waste pipe.
What it does is to also ventilate the toilet as fast as possible.
With these two solutions, you wont have any issues with your visitor's toilet.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BrickDevo: 7:42pm On Jan 18, 2023
GloriousGbola:


No ACs seen

That suspended light looks industrial. What you expect is fancy ceiling led lights.

Maybe also ceiling speakers and an amplifier somewhere. Also they usually come with 2 monitors not one
Behind camera view, there's a standing Ac, the display unit has an inbuilt speaker, the suspended light may look industrial but is ideal as such is usually employed in conference room settings. And the client choice influenced it.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BrickDevo: 8:21pm On Jan 18, 2023
FEGEITOK:


I am also watching and I am yet to see any architect or builder on this platform reference the Nigerian BEEC or clearly state that the Nigerian BEEC influenced the design and build

Neither have I seen anyone say this or that was incorporated because of Energy Efficiency considerations
Very rare to see that in Nigeria, these are things very few people take into consideration. And i understand why
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Hatesin: 8:34pm On Jan 18, 2023
walexProjects:


Actually, when the right thing is done . You won't have any issue.
In that visitor's toilet, in order to evacuate the foul smell quickly from leaking into the sitting room, You must have a properly designed Extractor fan.
Another mechanism put in place even if there's power outage is the vent cowl of the 100mm Soil waste pipe.
What it does is to also ventilate the toilet as fast as possible.
With these two solutions, you wont have any issues with your visitor's toilet.

Chief, all those things na theory. We are talking about practical. Toilet is toilet no matter what. I have seen people pee on top of the toilet seat and even on the floor. Some don't even know how to flush
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Olumighty123(m): 9:12pm On Jan 18, 2023
Hatesin:


Chief, all those things na theory. We are talking about practical. Toilet is toilet no matter what. I have seen people pee on top of the toilet seat and even on the floor. Some don't even know how to flush


Summarize your problem in two sentence shocked You too do shocked Rest in Jesus name. Haba, cho cho cho, you be woman? undecided

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by toyeoye(m): 9:35pm On Jan 18, 2023
blyted:


"A touch of green"

The word green came by painting or led lighting or energy efficiency .... Or the plant on the wall makes it green

You like trouble grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by blyted: 10:50pm On Jan 18, 2023
BrickDevo:

Very rare to see that in Nigeria, these are things very few people take into consideration. And i understand why

It's safer, if you are saying very few people that you know of is taking 'sustainability' into consideration.

If as an Architect (not a draughtsman) with the current global trends, you still create designs that impacts the nature negatively.......
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 1:32am On Jan 19, 2023
Rany4all:
This is exactly what went down:

Before I engaged the installer, I hired a Quantity Surveyor on this forum to do the roofing estimate for me (installer did not know this). The QS estimate for the actual area to be covered was 478sqm, but with 25% addition (making 598sqm) to account for wastes.

Now wood work for the roof was done exactly as designed on the architectural drawings (no addition or subtraction) and the final cost of the wood work was very close to the QS estimate as well.

After wood work, I engaged the installer and we agreed 200/sqm as installation fee. He took his measurements, did his calculations and came up with an area of 354sqm to be covered.

Now considering the significant difference between the figures from QS and installer, I decided to go with the installer's figure so as not to incur a huge loss, in case the QS figure was wrong. So I added 25% to installer's estimate and ordered 443sqm, which was made known to installer.

So he did 443sqm initially, and it covered only about 3 quarters of the roof. Installer then calculated the remaining uncovered area, and came up with an additional 150sqm to complete the job. This time though I decided to ignore installer's calculation and went with the original estimate from the QS and got an additional 155sqm to make a total of 598sqm.

The roof was eventually covered with a total of 596sqm, which is in line with the QS estimate.

Now, the installer is insisting his installation fee is 200 × 598 (not even 596 that did the job), while I'm insisting I will only pay for area of roof installed (excluding off-cuts), which should be like 200 × 478 (going by the estimate from QS).

I have told the installer, if he doubts the estimated area from the QS, he can repeat his measurements and calculations, but the guy is saying it will never be the same as that of the QS, that I must pay according to the total area of sheets bought.

Nor be small argument for site today o. We almost came to blows grin




Bros,

The 597 sqm was used on your building. Every roofing has waste / off cuts.

You owe him 200 x 597sqm. That's what Sonnie was trying to say.

If you decide to pay him less, you're not being fair to him.

You can ask your QS @QSFEMI how its done.

I still don't know how your roof has more than 100sqm "waste".

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 1:34am On Jan 19, 2023
bobkezel:

In other words, if my floor is 50sqm and I negotiated 1000/sqm with the tiler but I bought 120sqm tiles, then the tiler used/wasted 118sqm, therefore I should pay him 118000 instead of 50000.....

Yes cutting off takes labour therefore if a tiler sneezes I pay, if he dances I pay, if he wastes my tile I still pay.

Waste means he's breaking your tiles for no reason.

This isn't the case here. Your analogy doesn't fit.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 1:39am On Jan 19, 2023
gbengress1:
Good evening guys, I got the quote below for soak away construction for a 5 bed room duplex, the location is ajah Lagos.

Carpenter (labour) 55,000.00
ii Iron bender (labour) 50,000.00
iii Casting (labour) 85,000.00
iv Plastering (Labour) 40,000.00
v Labour (Sinking & sealing) 150,000.00
Materials
Granite 20 tons 180,000.00
Sharp sand 1 trip 85,000.00
3'' nails 1 bag 16,000.00
10mm iron rod 50 lengths 180,000.00
Binding wire 1 roll 16,000.00
Cement 33 bag 4,400.00 145,200.00
Nylon 1 roll 5,000.00 5,000.00
Waterproof cement 1 carton 12,000.00
Plaster sand. 80,000.00

Total. 1,099,200.00


Please help me review if this quote is not too outrageous

The artisan is being honest with you. Don't mind people that are usually fond of shouting fraud once they see a quotation.

ALL those prices are fair for a "sinking soakaway" and that us the price range.

Beat down "sinking and sealing" to 100k.

Iron bender - 30,000
Carpentar- 35,000
Casting can be done around 50,000 too..

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Rany4all(m): 5:58am On Jan 19, 2023
KolaShangOne:


Bros,

The 597 sqm was used on your building. Every roofing has waste / off cuts.

You owe him 200 x 597sqm. That's what Sonnie was trying to say.

If you decide to pay him less, you're not being fair to him.

You can ask your QS @QSFEMI how its done.

I still don't know how your roof has more than 100sqm "waste".
Kindly find attached below the estimates from @QSFemi. Please take note of the "Labour for fixing roofing sheets." Thanks.

I rest my case!

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by QSFemi(m): 6:04am On Jan 19, 2023
At the quoted, the roofing sheets do not have a waste of "100sqm".

As a QS, when measuring roof covering (roofing sheets), the net area is measured then an allowance for LAP is added with a 5% addition for wastes.

In paying the roof installer, you cannot pay for LAP nor waste, that's why you pay only for the NET AREA COVERED. That's why Rany4all is right to pay only for the area covered.

Good morning.

I still don't know how your roof has more than 100sqm "waste". [/quote]

Cc: Kolashangone

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bobkezel(m): 6:56am On Jan 19, 2023
KolaShangOne:


Waste means he's breaking your tiles for no reason.

This isn't the case here. Your analogy doesn't fit.
Yes some artisans are witches, they can waste materials for no reason. Some can waste it so they will be paid for, as if they used the materials.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by MrOkenwa(m): 6:59am On Jan 19, 2023
FEGEITOK:


You can still get your money.

But this has to be through law enforcement.

I know the FBI doesn't joke with this kind of crime.

Even the Nigerian law enforcement has the capacity to unmask the guys.

But it is totally up to you to provide the details of the complaint for action to be taken.

If you are willing to share details privately with me, it would be possible to do this.

But I respect your right to move on.

Here's what the FBI said following sentencing in a similar case last April.

“If these defendants thought their million-dollar fraud would go unnoticed simply because they targeted a trillion-dollar company, they were sorely mistaken,” said U.S. Attorney Chad Meacham. “The Justice Department will not tolerate fraud against any company, be it a multinational corporation or a mom-and-pop operation. We are grateful to our FBI partners for their work on this case.”

Under US law, its called wire fraud.
I moved on because of my personal circumstance sir. It happened in the uae and I’m currently outside the country.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by BrickDevo: 7:05am On Jan 19, 2023
blyted:


It's safer, if you are saying very few people that you know of is taking 'sustainability' into consideration.

If as an Architect (not a draughtsman) with the current global trends, you still create designs that impacts the nature negatively.......
that i ignore it doesn't mean it will affect nature negatively, most times it is done to reduce the energy consumption in the building, but which energy are we even reducing if the energy/power supply in Nigeria is epileptic and already reduced.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bobkezel(m): 7:06am On Jan 19, 2023
KolaShangOne:


Bros,

The 597 sqm was used on your building. Every roofing has waste / off cuts.

You owe him 200 x 597sqm. That's what Sonnie was trying to say.

If you decide to pay him less, you're not being fair to him.

You can ask your QS @QSFEMI how its done.

I still don't know how your roof has more than 100sqm "waste".

He does owe him anything
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Bovijean: 7:18am On Jan 19, 2023
Good morning my Ogas

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