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Re: Agnosticism by sonmvayina(m): 3:43pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Looks like knowunknown is coming through to my earlier assertion.. The universe is Mental (God). I even use this pic. This is Marduk with the universe as his garments..
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 3:47pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman:How pathetic you mock Christianity because you feel that their scripture was forged But you are bringing a fact from Wikipedia that can be edited by you Is that not hypocrisy? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 3:49pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:How pathetic you base your life on jewish books that have been forged and edited. Wikipedia has moderators, any illiterate canât just wake up and edit it. Why donât you dispute the fact? Thatâs common sense 1 Like
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 3:53pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: Why you dey lie pass satan Even satan go fear for this your lie đ€đ€đ€đ€
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 3:54pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: Canât you read? The âsatanâ thatâs found only in your religion is smarter than this
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 3:56pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 3:57pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: And it has moderators that approve or reject it. What do you think âWikipediaâ means? Whatâs the definition?
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:00pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman:my guy often does not mean always, which means you can change something and no one might know even the moderator might not know it My guy just admit say you lie, |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:03pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: Can you mention just one that was change and moderators didnât know. Or can you edit something now and show me, letâs see who is the real liar My guy just admit sey you dey worship israelite god . From world history https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:05pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: My gee no want gree say him fvck up Anyway lets agree to disagree đ |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:06pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: Since anyone can edit, can you edit something now and show me, letâs see who is the real liar đ
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:15pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: According to your screenshot, no moderators willl take down the edited text rather another individual which could be you again can modify it to suit your agenda lol Baba you just dey jonz anyhow for here
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:17pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:Since anyone can edit, can you edit something now and show me, letâs see who is the real liar đ
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:20pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: So I should edit it and show you so that you can run and go edit it back so that you will tell me that it's the moderators Lol...baba rest...just admit it......you don loseguard for here lol
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:21pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: Edit it first and screenshot it. Thatâs common sense. |
Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:25pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman:I have nothing to proove to you Next time don't use Wikipedia as fact because anybody can gain access and edit it to suit their narrative |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:26pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: You canât prove anything because you are a liar. Anybody can edit a narrative, edit one and letâs see na https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:31pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman:guy rest Even your 'holy grail' source uses the bible as it own source lol
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:32pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:Post the Wikipedia link of this page. Hope you not lying because of yahweh? https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:36pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman: This is your worldhistory link that uses the bible as it reference Stop confusing yourself
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Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:37pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:Where did it use it as reference? Can you read? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:40pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: It didnât, it explained how yahweh was portrayed in the jewish bible called tanakh. Stop lying to yourself
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Re: Agnosticism by TradingGod: 4:41pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
Maynman:you don't know the meaning of reference? |
Re: Agnosticism by Maynman: 4:42pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod: You should ask yourself that. The paragraph you are reading is talking about how âyahweh was potrayed in the jewish bibleâ called tanakh.
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Re: Agnosticism by DeepSight(m): 5:18pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
KnownUnknown: I am mildly surprised if you think you have said anything of import here. That infinite regress is your problem actually because there is no need to regress. The universe itself could be uncaused and the infinite regress problem is for people who want to arbitrarily terminate the regress at the notion of god. Their particular god. There is this particular Jew in my neck of the woods who uses the same âthere can be no infinite regressâ argument except he terminates the regress at the Hebrew god. Oh, what a surprise!! The universe could not be uncaused, because for the umpteenth time, nothing physical can be uncaused: to be without cause is to be self existent in a way that is fundamental and does not require trigger, change, cessation, collapse, regeneration or indeed any other factor of a material thing. Your allusions to "a particular god" are quite tiresome please, as you well know I allude to none, save a necessary founding existential principle, which of course, you may call what you wish, so long as you do not do so simply for light mockery targeted at distraction. The problem with your âself existentâ things is that there is none you can point to. If âself existenceâ means independent function and existence then the universe fits the bill. If it means something different, give an example other than saying itâs âintangible and immutableâ, which describes NOTHING. This is odd, especially when I specifically pointed to infinite time and infinite space as self existent things. This analogy does not make sense. This statement makes me lose substantial hope in the possibility of having a useful conversation. Its quite a simple enough analogy, if you go back to the question it was given in response to. It simply says, yes, much may exist outside what we know or where we live. How is that a problem? I have no reason to think this reality is likely a simulation. I mean, what is it simulating? Fair enough. We can leave that as a subject for another day. I will only hint that there are clear signs even within physical matter that we may well be dwelling within a sophisticated hologram. But this is neither here nor there for the subject at hand, so some other time. Its unfounded when you mean to create an argument for god. When astronomical discussions about what is beyond the universe occur, astronomers are careful to call the multiverse an hypothesis and try to support it with the scientific method not arbitrary speculation. I am sorry but the expansion of the universe is a real thing and the standard scientific answer which attempts to escape the question as to what the universe is expanding into is nothing but cheap and escapist. They simply say that its expanding in itself and not necessarily into anything! With respect, thats pure bunkum. Voodoo at its worst. You guys accuse religious people of believing in voodoo and then come up with worse voodoo. Even with the standard balloon model (where space is being created in an inflating balloon - such a balloon will still get bigger and bigger and must occupy more space within the spectrum it occupies. Anything less is pure voodoo and attempts to suggest that the balloon is not occupying any space anywhere but is existing in pixieland and expanding into Alice's wonderland. Nothing could be more unscientific. This is not just a matter of the colloquial meaning of the word "expand" - because the universe is in fact physically and evidentially expanding. Galaxies are speeding away from one another at a speed greater than the speed of light. Indeed for this exact reason the future universe will be darker as light will not be able the cross the chasms created. This is not something to gloss over with cheap pseudo science such as claiming that the only space being created is within the universe. The balloon model - which is what they use - is enough to tell you that even a balloon which is being inflated will need space outside it in order to inflate. And if you don't see how that ties into what I am saying, that is mildly disappointing. I left off the same subject with Maynman because I felt that we had hardly interacted and as such we may not understand one another, but you, I expect to understand what I am saying (even if you disagree with it - at the minimum you should understand it). I will go over it briefly again: The whole question arises from the cosmological question of the origin of the universe - It is said, for example, by current scientific models that time and space were "created" at the moment of the big bang. The truth is that this is impossible - rather, the words being used as time and space there really refer to something else entirely. What is being called time there is a dimension of motion and not real time, and what is being called space there is the material of this physical universe, not real space. Both real time and real space are intangible and incapable of being either created or destroyed, or even changed. Neither can "commence" at any point or "cease" at any point, or have a "border" or a "limit" in the way that is said of spacetime as described by scientists. Neither is a "fabric" of any kind, however loosely or metaphorically one may in an escapist manner try to suggest that word is used. And there are grounds for asserting these: 1. If the big bang occurred it, was an event. An event cannot occur without a pre existing timeline. It can only occur within already existing time. Thus it is paradoxical to say that time was created at the moment of the big bang as scientists currently say. 2. In the same wise, the big bang was an expansion from a point, bro, you can't escape the question of what the substance of that point was expanding into. It is a simple and logical question which should not be fobbed off with pseudo scientific escapisms. . Both of these factors lend us to know that there clearly exists a timeline beyond this universe and space beyond this universe - which is what I refer to as infinite/ real space and time - those intangible factors into which events and things are interpolated - and which are self-existent by reference to their fundamental existential nature. Those are the factors which I say form a part of this principle of self-existence and you are free to make a caricature of it as you wish, and call it "god" or "Yahweh" - that is your business, for I am speaking at a philosophical level and I simply call it the self existent source. |
Re: Agnosticism by DeepSight(m): 5:22pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
LordReed: Pls see my post to KnownUnknown above where I touch some more on this matter of expansion. |
Re: Agnosticism by jaephoenix(m): 6:15pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:⊠and Lord MadMax turns up and talks gibbr, as usual 1 Like |
Re: Agnosticism by DeepSight(m): 6:20pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
jaephoenix: I dey tell you. Babanla gibberish. |
Re: Agnosticism by jaephoenix(m): 6:36pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:I think its a theist thing to misunderstand questions and quote a preconditioned gibberish which has been memorized. How is your answer pertaining to his question? |
Re: Agnosticism by jaephoenix(m): 6:38pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:If noticed, all his showmanship, miracles and other bullshit was concentrated in a tiny region of the middle east, which isn't up to 1/100 of the entire world. So now can infer he's an Israelite sky daddy 2 Likes |
Re: Agnosticism by jaephoenix(m): 7:07pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
TradingGod:Now Judaism as a religion doesn't believe in the deification or resurrection of Jesus. In fact they call him a false prophet. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism%27s_view_of_Jesus 2 Likes |
Re: Agnosticism by KnownUnknown: 10:56pm On Jan 27, 2023 |
DeepSight: How do you know this? Please donât say itâs the same astronomers you are accusing of voodoo. DeepSight: Oh yeah? Maybe the expansion is voodoo too and the universe unfolds in what you refer to as âreal timeâ and âinfinite spaceâ. As for the rest of what you wrote and your position; they are just unfounded claims. Your claim goes that there has to be a âcauseâ that is ânecessaryâ and not contingent. This cause canât be the universe itself because it is âphysicalâ and therefore mutable. You claim that physical things canât âself existâ because they change so your cause is âintangibleâ and âimmutableâ. So your god is a necessary cause of the universe and it is intangible and immutable. I mean, there is nothing there that isnât the same old religious argument. If asked why it is necessary, the answer is that it is necessary for your position. You will claim it is the âphilosophy of necessary and contingent thingsâ but if asked for an example of a necessary thing apart from your god, you will draw a blank. It is intangible because it canât be physical. But I wonder, how does it cause anything if itâs immutable. Yea, I wrote god because a deity is exactly what you are talking about despite calling it anything but. McMickie is spaceless, timeless, and immaterialâŠâŠâŠbut he is mutable, so he probably caused the multiverse. Mutability is his nature and thatâs probably why he gave this attribute to the universe and all other realities. I call him he but that doesnât mean she has a gender, just calling her that for convenience. He is also not a deity. 1 Like |
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