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Brendaniel:
Please just do me a favour and read that article....

I have read it already. I repeat again the bone of contention in Osun is 749 polling units were BVAS was not deployed and hereby declared null and void due to overvoting. 749 out of 3k 700 units were BVAS was not deployed are under dispute. Electronic system makes no room for overvoting or vote duplicity.
Electronic system should be deployed to the 749 poll stations for a rerun . PERIOD!

Johnn44:
I have read it already. I repeat again the bone of contention in Osun is 749 polling units were BVAS was not deployed and hereby declared null and void due to overvoting. 749 out of 3k 700 units were BVAS was not deployed are under dispute. Electronic system makes no room for overvoting or vote duplicity.
Electronic system should be deployed to the 749 poll stations for a rerun . PERIOD!

BVAS was used in all polling units, it was over voting that was the problem...

Brendaniel:
BVAS was used in all polling units, it was over voting that was the problem...

BVAS machine was not used in a total of 749 polling units.
That is where over voting occurred. Team oyetola insists on total disregard of the 749 polling units where BVAS was not deployed and overvoting occurred
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/566959-osun-governorship-election-tribunal-bvas-not-used-in-749-polling-units-witness.html

Johnn44:
BVAS machine was not used in a total of 749 polling units.
That is where over voting occurred
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/566959-osun-governorship-election-tribunal-bvas-not-used-in-749-polling-units-witness.html

BVAS was not used by a few voters in the 749 polling units, not all the voters in the 749 polling units, that was what brought about over voting(invalid votes) in those polling units.

Brendaniel:
Then it is a wrong form of deduction, they should have deducted the over votes only...

It is the law.

Who knows maybe the multiple votes were planted by APC.Are they trying to say that the polling booths where APC won didn't have multiple votings as well?We know how APC rigged the last governorship election in osun state that brought in oyetola.When collations of votes were going against him their thugs scuttled the election and asked for a rerun which was massively rigged through incidence forms.Oyetola was eventually declared the winner.

Edipet:
Two corrupt parties, Obi is all what we want.

Peter Obi that was in PDP until wailing Wike chased him out, just a few days to the primaries?
Is that not true

2023: PDP and politics of healing Wike’s self-inflicted injury

Then, the race began in earnest for three years now, reaching a frenzy with the works of the two PDP committees on zoning. The first was the Gov Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi committee on the zoning of the PDP party offices. The Ugwuanyi committee quickly told the world the committee’s assignment did not cover zoning the office of the president. Though this was true, the question is: why didn’t the Ugwuanyi committee zone the PDP chairmanship to the North without aligning it to the divide that would produce the PDP presidential flag-bearer? The second committee headed by Gov Samuel Ortom of Benue state was specifically on the zoning of the presidential ticket and, with the votes of the representatives of all the 17 Southern states without any exception, the Committee unanimously recommended throwing open the PDP presidential ticket, which the PDP NEC simply upheld.

One thing irrefutably stands out – Wike shot himself in the leg. Here was a man who had an overarching influence on both committees but could not insist that the ticket be zoned South. Many had wondered why? The reason is also relatively in plain sight: the Southeast factor. As the clamour for zoning of the presidential ticket of the PDP to South reached its crescendo, many had pointed out the fact that though the PDP Constitution had prescribed zoning of the office of the president to be between North and South since the South-west and South-south had taken their turns in producing the president and the vice in this current dispensation in the persons of Olusegun Obasanjo and Goodluck Jonathan, zoning this time around, should not just be to the South but the Southeast.

Atiku Abubakar went a step further by offering to step down from the race if it would be agreed that the touted zoning to the South would mean micro-zoning to the Southeast. Wike and the rest could not take the Atiku challenge maybe because Atiku would likely back Peter Obi, who was his vice-presidential running mate in 2019 and an ally. The prospects of Peter Obi picking the ticket if PDP zoned South was so real compelling Wike to go for an open contest, believing he could pick it up ahead of Atiku, Tambuwal and Bala Mohammed, given his large war chest.

https://www.thecable.ng/2023-pdp-and-politics-of-healing-wikes-self-inflicted-injury/amp

oyin44:
Let me correct you sir.

Today ,the wishes and feelings of the electorate in osun state have been taken into consideration.

Justice has been served and it is welcome

Your BAT is trying to take the mandate given to Adeleke by fire by force.las las God go shame Lagos landlord and his political son.

Brendaniel:
What criteria was used to deduct the over voting?

UPDATE:
How would you cancel the entire votes in the polling unit because of a few wrong votes, if the BVAS still identified the number of over votes, why not just delete only the over votes and count the rest, Tinubu is trying to use the BVAS to rig election...

it is a wrong form of deduction, they should have deducted the over votes only...

.They said over voting which means the votes were tampered with. How sure are you that Adeleke should even be second in the election that was rigged? This was the reason Buhari rejected electronic voting in 2019 because he knew a party that has invested in and ruled Nigeria through rigging him out many times in the past. If I were the judge, I will jail anyone trying to force himself to rule over people who didn't believe in him by rigging himself to win.

StephonClarkS2:
I feel bad for Davido.

My first thought was Davido...

Brendaniel:
The law will only cause more problems, you don't cancel a whole polling unit when BVAS can tell you the number of invalid votes, read this and see why
https://www.nairaland.com/7544115/implication-osun-election-tribunal-anarchy#120437236

Answer this question below..




If there were actually 353 Accredited Voters on the BVAS inside a polling-unit.


But the INEC Officials in the PO recorded 362 Accredited Voters and 359 total voters in the results-sheet.

And then,, APC Got 165 Votes..
PDP Got 169 Votes...
All the other parties together got 23 Votes.
2 votes were rejected as Void..


Now, if you check the details well, you can see that there is “Over-voting” in the Polling-unit with 6-votes.


So,, if we are to deduct those 6-votes,, tell me how we are going to deduct them.


Use the above example that I have already given.

Almiron:
Omo orukan ni, Omo irankinran.. Oma sofo bi omi efo ni

Dogun pa bae yee, lowo buku omo, Dem go cry ontop you this year

Oga find a way to prove the BVAS wrong.

We dey wait

[quote author= post=120435044]GOD BLESS NIGERIA.



Mr Daniel.
Here you have it.....

The BVAS is truly a game changer and should ordinarily be above manipulation.

2) The BVAS ascertains or validates voters' identity, and it is mandatory prior to voting. Every voter must be BVAS'ed before they are issued with a ballot to vote. In short, BVAS accredits voters.

3) After elections, the results are then collated and entered manually on INEC form EC8As. However, the number of voters on INEC Form EC8A must never exceed the number of accredited voters on BVAS. That's over-voting and automatic cancellation under the EA 2022.

4) When a winner was declared by INEC in Osun elections, it was assumed by all that the BVAS and Form EC8As tallied. It was thought that Adeleke won and Oyetola lost.

5) APC applied for the BVAS report and Form EC8AS to file their petition days after the winner was declared.

6) APC in preparing their Petition found discrepancies between BVAS report and FORM EC8As in over 700 polling units. The votes recorded on Form EC8As literally exceeded were BVAS accredited. There were over-voting by people who must have literally bypassed the BVAS either for not having PVC or other dubious reasons.

7) Once INEC, PDP, and the Governor were served with the APC Petition, they all filed their responses and added another entirely different BVAS report, which INEC now called a "SYNCHRONISED BVAS Report.". So, there were two BVAS reports before the Tribunal. The one issued to APC before they filled their petition and the one issued to PDP during the pendency of the petition.

8.) At the Tribunal, each party strove to prove which BVAS was credible and which was not.

You now be the judge. Which of the two conflicting BVAS does your conscience say is credible? The first one that was used to declare a winner on the elections day or the other "SYNCHRONISED BVAS" that issued almost 30 days after a winner was already declared and during the pendency of a suit?

What does your conscience say?

I think INEC National should be grateful to APC/Oyetola/Osun for helping them expose the manipulation that dubious politicians can subject the BVAS to. Plus, voters must now know that bypassing theBVAS is not helpful.
Everyone must be accredited by the BVAS to be eligible to vote.

Read and forward to ya neighbors, village people and every other soul interested in Osun state elections.

Cc:LegendHero.

We Rise. [/quote]Thank you so much for this explanation.

Indeed, the judgement is valid without sentiments or prejudices.

Brendaniel:
What criteria was used to deduct the over voting?

UPDATE:
How would you cancel the entire votes in the polling unit because of a few wrong votes, if the BVAS still identified the number of over votes, why not just delete only the over votes and count the rest, Tinubu is trying to use the BVAS to rig election...

it is a wrong form of deduction, they should have deducted the over votes only...

How exactly do you detect the over votes? You realize that there's are no names on the ballot. And which party do you want to remove the over votes from?

Do you understand? It's impossible to detect which ballot was not accredited. The best thing is to cancel.

alcuin:
How exactly do you detect the over votes? You realize that there's are no names on the ballot. And which party do you want to remove the over votes from?

Do you understand? It's impossible to detect which ballot was not accredited. The best thing is to cancel.

Number of over was detected using the BVAS, so it doensg matter the party involved, just deduct the over votes and count the valid ones...

BluntCrazeMan:
Answer this question below..




If there were actually 353 Accredited Voters on the BVAS inside a polling-unit.


But the INEC Officials in the PO recorded 362 Accredited Voters and 359 total voters in the results-sheet.

And then,, APC Got 165 Votes..
PDP Got 169 Votes...
All the other parties together got 23 Votes.
2 votes were rejected as Void..


Now, if you check the details well, you can see that there is “Over-voting” in the Polling-unit with 6-votes.


So,, if we are to deduct those 6-votes,, tell me how we are going to deduct them.


Use the above example that I have already given.

Just remove the over voting, because if you claim that the over votes were added, there must be a party those over votes went for, remove it from the party that it went for, you can't tell me you were able to detect over votes and don't now the party the over votes went for because they voted for a party, remove the vote from the part they voted for, the thumbprint is there, that is what made it over votes in the first place that BVAS did not accredit....

If this is True Tinubu or Atiku can't rigged this election. Obi all the way [quote author= post=120435044]GOD BLESS NIGERIA.



Mr Daniel.
Here you have it.....

The BVAS is truly a game changer and should ordinarily be above manipulation.

2) The BVAS ascertains or validates voters' identity, and it is mandatory prior to voting. Every voter must be BVAS'ed before they are issued with a ballot to vote. In short, BVAS accredits voters.

3) After elections, the results are then collated and entered manually on INEC form EC8As. However, the number of voters on INEC Form EC8A must never exceed the number of accredited voters on BVAS. That's over-voting and automatic cancellation under the EA 2022.

4) When a winner was declared by INEC in Osun elections, it was assumed by all that the BVAS and Form EC8As tallied. It was thought that Adeleke won and Oyetola lost.

5) APC applied for the BVAS report and Form EC8AS to file their petition days after the winner was declared.

6) APC in preparing their Petition found discrepancies between BVAS report and FORM EC8As in over 700 polling units. The votes recorded on Form EC8As literally exceeded were BVAS accredited. There were over-voting by people who must have literally bypassed the BVAS either for not having PVC or other dubious reasons.

7) Once INEC, PDP, and the Governor were served with the APC Petition, they all filed their responses and added another entirely different BVAS report, which INEC now called a "SYNCHRONISED BVAS Report.". So, there were two BVAS reports before the Tribunal. The one issued to APC before they filled their petition and the one issued to PDP during the pendency of the petition.

8.) At the Tribunal, each party strove to prove which BVAS was credible and which was not.

You now be the judge. Which of the two conflicting BVAS does your conscience say is credible? The first one that was used to declare a winner on the elections day or the other "SYNCHRONISED BVAS" that issued almost 30 days after a winner was already declared and during the pendency of a suit?

What does your conscience say?

I think INEC National should be grateful to APC/Oyetola/Osun for helping them expose the manipulation that dubious politicians can subject the BVAS to. Plus, voters must now know that bypassing theBVAS is not helpful.
Everyone must be accredited by the BVAS to be eligible to vote.

Read and forward to ya neighbors, village people and every other soul interested in Osun state elections.

Cc:LegendHero.

We Rise. [/quote]

Brendaniel:
Just remove the over voting, because if you claim that the over votes were added, there must be a party those over votes went for, remove it from the party that it went for, you can't tell me you were able to detect over votes and don't now the party the over votes went for because they voted for a party, remove the vote from the part they voted for, the thumbprint is there, that is what made it over votes in the first place that BVAS did not accredit....

Oga Sir.


There is a practical situation in front of you.

A particular polling-unit had a problem.
And you're the PO in the Polling-unit..
And after counting the votes,, these were the outcome.. (As stated in the question above).

Use that magic of yours and determine the number of OVER-VOTING that went to each of the parties, and deduct them here and give us the corrected figures.


Now,, let it be that you were one of the Tribunal Judges.
And this same situation came up.
(Just like in Osun Election Tribunal)..
You were not there in the field where they conducted the election.
You were just a Tribunal Judge.
Use that same magic of yours to determine the number of over-voting that went to each of the parties, and deduct them accordingly.


**(You have a very practical question right in front of you, and you're still quoting theory??
Do the applied practicals already with the demonstration in front of us here)**..

lansile:
.They said over voting which means the votes were tampered with. How sure are you that Adeleke should even be second in the election that was rigged? This was the reason Buhari rejected electronic voting in 2019 because he knew a party that has invested in and ruled Nigeria through rigging him out many times in the past. If I were the judge, I will jail anyone trying to force himself to rule over people who didn't believe in him by rigging himself to win.

After finding out the method used for the judgement on the election tribunal that gave victory to Oyetola over Adeleke, I would say it is a recipe for disaster, the method applied was cancelling all the votes of a polling unit because of over voting in that particular polling unit.


The questions I ask are:

1. As it happened that there were over voting in various polling units in the Osun election, what if each opposition connives to perpetrate over voting in polling units in each opposition strong holds?

2. What then is the use for BVAS in over voting if after the BVAS is able to identify the number of over votes only to end up cancelling all votes(valid) and over votes(invalid) ? That is like throwing away a baby with the bath water.

3. If there is an election tribunal like this and a rerun takes place, what if the same over voting keeps occurring over and over, would they keep repeating the election tribunal process and back to rerun again?

In my opinion, the law is just an error or a purposeful scheme to rig an election using what I call reverse voting
Just simply tamper with your opposition strong holds and invalidate their votes, So we might be having a case where a carefully selected and protected minority will determine winners of an election instead of the majority carrying the votes.


Implications:

1. It will make elections become very dirty because politicians will be all about scheming to invalidate votes in opposition strong holds.

2. It will make the voters lose confidence in the electoral process, because a voter will not be sure if his vote will be invalidated or not by someone else scheming with a politician in his/her polling unit.

3. It will make voters wear out easily and may cause voter apathy when you have reruns after stressful elections, thereby reducing voters turn-up in reruns.

4. It may not reflect the true will of the people and also reduce the total number of voter participation, just like the Osun election tribunal, the total number of votes cast for both PDP and APC after the cancellation doesn't reflect the true will of the people to declare Oyetola the winner.

5. Elections will cost more because of Tribunal, reruns and time wasting.

6. It could lead to anarchy and total chaos, like in some volatile states in the north where they riot over political results, just imagine after election and INEC says they have cancelled over 20,000 polling units across the north which were all stronghold of a particular candidate, because of over voting of less than 2000 voters, imagine what will happen in the aftermath of such news.

Solution:

In situations of over voting, Why not just deduct the invalid votes(over votes) and count the rest, the BVAS already identifies the number of over votes(invalid votes), doing so, INEC will avoid a lot of election tribunals, scheming by politicians, reduce cost of doing reruns, make more accurate results, increase voters confidence, reduce time wasting, reflect the true will of the people and avoid anarchy.

Almiron:
Oloribu you sound as if the verdict na from Supreme court. Mumu Una no go see draw, apc is dead and buried in Osun , your paymaster Baba blue go Lule again next month. Y'all will cry blood. Adeleke is going nowhere, nah pipe dreams.

I never hear am before say opponent dey rig out incumbent government lmao.

Onikure you and your urchins ema soribu laslas...

Adeleke go use 8 years .Una pain just dey start

i really really don't know why,,, but d way you dey curse that guy dey gimme joy😊

BluntCrazeMan:
Oga Sir.


There is a practical situation in front of you.

A particular polling-unit had a problem.
And you're the PO in the Polling-unit..
And after counting the votes,, these were the outcome.. (As stated in the question above).

Use that magic of yours and determine the number of OVER-VOTING that went to each of the parties, and deduct them here and give us the corrected figures.


Now,, let it be that you were one of the Tribunal Judges.
And this same situation came up.
(Just like in Osun Election Tribunal)..
You were not there in the field where they conducted the election.
You were just a Tribunal Judge.
Use that same magic of yours to determine the number of over-voting that went to each of the parties, and deduct them accordingly.


**(You have a very practical question right in front of you, and you're still quoting theory??
Do the applied practicals already with the demonstration in front of us here)**..

Oga what are you saying, how can you cancel the entire votes when you can simply remove the over votes that went for any of the party involved, that is what the tribunal is supposed to do since we can identify the over votes to any party involved, do you now what this judgement will do to other voters that took the stress to stand under the sun and did the right thing, the law makes them look like people who just wasted their time trying to do the right thing in the same polling unit that was affected.

The judgement is like saying that if a passenger from a particular plane was caught with an invalid passport then you should deport the entire passengers that came with him in the plane, that we are not sure about all the passengers, does it make any sense if you can simply remove the affected passenger and deport and allow the rest go in, if such happens to you in the airport and you were deported because of a particular passenger or a few passengers even if there is a law in that country for it, won't you see it as an erroneous law?, how would you feel, so you just wasted your time money and resources and did not still achieve your aim because of another person or people.

that is just the same thing here....

Brendaniel:
Oga what are you saying, how can you cancel the entire votes when you can simply remove the over votes that went for any of the party involved, that is what the tribunal is supposed to do since we can identify the over votes to any party involved, do you now what this judgement will do to other voters that took the stress to stand under the sun and did the right thing, the law makes them look like people who just wasted their time trying to do the right thing in the same polling unit that was affected.

The judgement is like saying that if a passenger from a particular plane was caught with an invalid passport then you should deport the entire passengers that came with him in the plane, that we are not sure about all the passengers, does it make any sense if you can simply remove the affected passenger and deport and allow the rest go in, if such happens to you in the airport and you were deported because of a particular passenger or a few passengers even if there is a law in that country for it, won't you see it as an erroneous law?, how would you feel, so you just wasted your time money and resources and did not still achieve your aim because of another person or people.

that is just the same thing here....

Please, that thing you wished the Tribunal Judges to do,, do it with the question I asked.

Simply determine those 6-over-voting votes in the practical question above, and deduct them.
Then post the new results here.

And we can continue arguing from there.

BluntCrazeMan:
Please, that thing you wished the Tribunal Judges to do,, do it with the question I asked.

Simply determine those 6-over-voting votes in the practical question above, and deduct them.
Then post the new results here.

And we can continue arguing from there.

You must tell me which party the 6 votes went for, because they voted for a party or parties first, that was how they were able to know there was over voting without the BVAS accreditation, so the question is wrong in itself...

daveson07:
i really really don't know why,,, but d way you dey curse that guy dey gimme joy😊

nah so my bro, the weyreh deserve it.

Brendaniel:
The judgement is like saying that if a passenger from a particular plane was caught with an invalid passport then you should deport the entire passengers that came with him in the plane, that we are not sure about all the passengers, does it make any sense if you can simply remove the affected passenger and deport and allow the rest go in, if such happens to you in the airport and you were deported because of a particular passenger or a few passengers even if there is a law in that country for it, won't you see it as an erroneous law?, how would you feel, so you just wasted your time money and resources and did not still achieve your aim because of another person or people.

that is just the same thing here....

Take same scenario..
366 Passengers on a plane landed at an international airport.
They were all tested for Ebola (or any other deadly virus-disease) before they boarded the plane, and none of them tested positive..
But when they landed, three people tested positive.

Tell me in all honesty.
How many people should be quarantined.??




My own response:
Everybody on that plane Ooo.
Both passengers and crew..
Including those people who tested them after they landed.
And all those who came in contact with them.



So,, bring up another scenario.

BluntCrazeMan:
Take same scenario..
366 Passengers on a plane landed at an international airport.
They were all tested for Ebola (or any other deadly virus-disease) before they boarded the plane, and none of them tested positive..
But when they landed, three people tested positive.

Tell me in all honesty.
How many people should be quarantined.??




My own response:
Everybody on that plane Ooo.
Both passengers and crew..
Including those people who tested them after they landed.
And all those who came in contact with them.



So,, bring up another scenario.

Quarantine is different from deportation, deportation is total cancellation, quarantine is to hold, do proper treatment and then release, that is still he same thing I am saying, quarantine the entire polling units affected do the deductions(treatment and inspection) and release the valid ones( non infected) and then you can deport the ones that are infected, you will not just deport everybody.

Brendaniel:
You must tell me which party the 6 votes went for, because they voted for a party or parties first, that was how they were able to know there was over voting without the BVAS accreditation, so the question is wrong in itself...

Oga..
See,, you can only know that there was an excess., And the BVAS could tell the number of such excesses..
BUT NOBODY KNOWS HOW THOSE EXCESSES ENTERED, AND FOR WHICH PARTIES THEY WENT TO.

If someone loaded a bag full of fruits - ALL COUNTED AT 300 FRUITS ALTOGETHER - and sent them to you through waybill, but he didn't let you to know how many each of the individual fruits were..
If you opened it and counted 325 fruits altogether, how would you know which of the fruits exactly were in excess of what the person originally sent??
(Since it was a secret ballot)
In fact,, where exactly along the way did the excess of 25 fruits enter the bag??
(You don't know these answers.. all you know is that there were 25 extra fruits)

Thus, you don't have to disenfranchise the wrong party by deducting wrongly from them.

I agree that the punishment is huge..
But then also, the punishment also gives people the excess powers to join INEC and all the stakeholders involved in avoiding its occurrence.

Brendaniel:
Quarantine is different from deportation, deportation is total cancellation, quarantine is to hold, do proper treatment and then release, that is still he same thing I am saying, quarantine the entire polling units affected do the deductions(treatment and inspection) and release the valid ones( non infected) and then you can deport the ones that are infected, you will not just deport everybody.

You have not experienced an isolated quarantine in an isolated facility.

Secondly, nothing prevents the country from deporting all of them, if the country got to know that they all actually tested negative in their country before leaving.

Deadly virus disease.??
Treat them and release them??

Stop this discussion.
You have no point

BluntCrazeMan:
You have not experienced an isolated quarantine in an isolated facility.

Secondly, nothing prevents the country from deporting all of them, if the country got to know that they all actually tested negative in their country before leaving.

Deadly virus disease.??
Treat them and release them??

Stop this discussion.
You have no point

This is not a deadly virus disease, this is an election, that is why I asked, do you know if the INEC official in your polling unit is already compromised, so is it the voters fault in the polling unit, why make people's efforts waste in things they have no control over....

Brendaniel:
This is not a deadly virus disease, this is an election, that is why I asked, do you know if the INEC official in your polling unit is already compromised, so is it the voters fault in the polling unit, why make people's efforts waste in things they have no control over....

This Election is a do-or-die affair.
It's even more serious than a deadly virus disease.
It is the people at a polling-unit that would always allow the INEC Official to do nonsense, being that they themselves wanted such manipulations to happen.

But in a situation where they don't want any manipulations, and the INEC Official tries to do any nonsense, that is suicidal on the part of the INEC Official.

INEC on the other part should warn politicians to desist from over-voting, since they would be doing themselves more harm than good by involving in such.

The people have control over it.
And it's very simple.
Don't let over-voting to occur.
In fact, guard against it.