Thebadpolitican:



You're high on weed bro nothing more nothing less


So are they not human anyone can say anything for their own benefit

Didn't Americans fool the world that they have been to the moon not until people started doubting such claims


You're a yoruba man and I will address you as such

I don't want to know what the esogban or the usen people claim

I want to you to bring evidence and not just mere words

Bring evidence that predate 1897 to backup your claims

Then we can then believes the words of Usen and esogban but if the past is saying otherwise
Then I am sorry you're a clown

You're a yoruba man or you're from usen disguising as a benin man

Soon enough we will expose you


I have said it countless of times why such false narrative in benin history is being circulated

But ugbe who is a yoruba man choose not to see reasons why the palace are circulating it he wants to give glory to his yoruba brothers I will never let that happen

Even samuk disgraced you the last time and you went mute, you have to be booted out of culture thread sooner. you have no value you are adding here
You do no research, neither do you even know benin history oral wise, you're just a yoruba clown

Swear you're not yoruba or related to one you infidel parading as an edo man

He must be handled swiftly and decisively! There is no doubt in my mind that Ugbe634 is a Yoruba boy by birth and pedigree

TAO11:
who died at Ughoton?

Ekaladerhan

Thebadpolitican:



You're high on weed bro nothing more nothing less


So are they not human anyone can say anything for their own benefit

Didn't Americans fool the world that they have been to the moon not until people started doubting such claims


You're a yoruba man and I will address you as such

I don't want to know what the esogban or the usen people claim

I want to you to bring evidence and not just mere words

Bring evidence that predate 1897 to backup your claims

Then we can then believes the words of Usen and esogban but if the past is saying otherwise
Then I am sorry you're a clown

You're a yoruba man or you're from usen disguising as a benin man

Soon enough we will expose you


I have said it countless of times why such false narrative in benin history is being circulated

But ugbe who is a yoruba man choose not to see reasons why the palace are circulating it he wants to give glory to his yoruba brothers I will never let that happen

Even samuk disgraced you the last time and you went mute, you have to be booted out of culture thread sooner. you have no value you are adding here
You do no research, neither do you even know benin history oral wise, you're just a yoruba clown

Swear you're not yoruba or related to one you infidel parading as an edo man

pray tell the reason

Ovbiedo-ikhin, ovbi-ugone'iyekorhiowmon


I am not one, I have never been, I will never be, if you will not call the Ogie-amien family yoruba because they believe and hold strongly that the Oba is from Ife, you have no business calling me that, what about the Ogi-egor who holds supremely that his "kingdom" is the maternal home of the present Oba dynasty. If you do not call him a yoruba, you have no business calling me.

What about the Esogban who said he came from Ife alongside with the Oba and some other person's, you know his house in Benin, you've not placed fire on it? The truth is glaring only if we chose to see it

Ogori or Idoma man leave Edo history alone

UGBE634:
pray tell the reason

Ovbiedo-ikhin, ovbi-ugone'iyekorhiowmon


I am not one, I have never been, I will never be, if you will not call the Ogie-amien family yoruba because they believe and hold strongly that the Oba is from Ife, you have no business calling me that, what about the Ogi-egor who holds supremely that his "kingdom" is the maternal home of the present Oba dynasty. If you do not call him a yoruba, you have no business calling me.

What about the Esogban who said he came from Ife alongside with the Oba and some other person's, you know his house in Benin, you've not placed fire on it? The truth is glaring only if we chose to see it

Ogori or Idoma man leave Edo history alone

Oga anybody can say anything back it up with historical document

People can claim ownership to the stool of the oba of benin it has been happening before now even in ancient benin kingdom


Oga in a world were there is freedom of speech anything can happen anyone can say shit So because the ijaws said they are the owner of gelege sea port we shouldn't doubt them because they said so

It is called ogie mien king of the seas

And he has no business with the oba stool

Oga you're not a benin man
Tao11 can do better when writing benin than you did

Writing in benin doesn't make you a benin man

You're of the yoruba tribe I dare you to swear with your uborn kids... If truly you're benin

Oga anybody can say anything backing it up with historical fact is what matters

Even the ife you're killing yourself for was made known by a yoruba writer Samuel Johnson

From today on I will follow you bumber to bumber I will make sure I chase you out of culture thread either with truth or otherwise

Edeyoung:


Oga anybody can say anything back it up with historical document

People can claim ownership to the stool of the oba of benin it has been happening before now even in ancient benin kingdom


Oga in a world were there is freedom of speech anything can happen anyone can say shit So because the ijaws said they are the owner of gelege sea port we shouldn't doubt them because they said so

It is called ogie mien king of the seas

And he has no business with the oba stool

Oga you're not a benin man
Tao11 can do better when writing benin than you did

Writing in benin doesn't make you a benin man

You're of the yoruba tribe I dare you to swear with your uborn kids... If truly you're benin

Oga anybody can say anything backing it up with historical fact is what matters

Even the ife you're killing yourself for was made known by a yoruba writer Samuel Johnson

From today on I will follow you bumber to bumber I will make sure I chase you out of culture thread either with truth or otherwise

I have kids not unborn, If I am not a Bini man,let me die before my time, let my children die before my very eyes, let everything I hold dear perish. Are you comfortable now

UGBE634:
I have kids not unborn, If I am not a Bini man,let me die before my time, let my children die before my very eyes, let everything I hold dear perish. Are you comfortable now

LOL. This was not necessary na. You're letting little things disturb you and get under your skin. You ought to know how Nairaland works by now. If you hold a position contrary to what many of your people believe, they will automatically conclude you come from the 'enemy' tribe.

UGBE634:
I have kids not unborn, If I am not a Bini man,let me die before my time, let my children die before my very eyes, let everything I hold dear perish. Are you comfortable now

You lack diginity, you're not fit to be a benin that's if you're at all


Edo people are progressive people you're not you're stuck in the past

Because people say things gives you no reason to doubt what they say is that how you trust esogban this esogban that, can't the oba compel the esogban to do his bidding and say what he wants him to say, have you ever thought of that?

If we don't doubt things how would there be improvements because people say what they said does it gives it authentication

Have you even sat down to know if the ife history was true all you do is nod your head with your fellow yorubas to belittle the edos and claim the edo stool is from yorubas


You don't learn. which is very bad, stop doing what you're doing here you will have me to contend with for the fact you're even claim edo makes me more angry


There was a research work Done by Europeans themselves between edo and yoruba artworks it showed that both works were very different in every way both in technique style and materials but you won't pick that book to read because you believe anything people say is truth because they are from the palace.... 😂😅 Even the yoruba artworks were not made by ife or yorubas themselves they bought it from art merchant in the ancient time,
Have you also tried to look at the facial marks on the ife artworks if it even have resembles with the ife facial marks to know if it was the ife people the artworks were even depicting? I guess no


You dey fall my hand, I swear edo people are smarter than this that's if you're even edo

scholes0:



Yes the current Esogban family, Edebiris.
See, the Esogban title was created by Oba Ewedo as Asogbon. (Source of wise counsel) He is usually a chief adviser of the Oba chosen from a close relative of the Oba himself , related to him by BLOOD.

Okay, here is what I am going to do... I am going to list each name I mentioned and attach the proof f their Ife pedigree.
Oloton, Bamawo, Osa, Osuan, The Oba.... you've agreed.

Attached below are the following: (pic1)
Ojomo and Odofin
Osolo and Oloton
Oliha and Ine
Aro and Elemo

Ehendiwo: (pic2 & 3)

Ogieva, Ihama and Oloton: (pic 4)

There were somethings you wrote that I did not really pay attention to, Chief Robert Osayande Iyamu- the late Esogban of Benin has his root in Orhiowmon, he is in no way related to the Oba, he was from iguododo in Orhiowmon. His family is an autochthonous family. There is no record anywhere that the position is usually given to the blood relatives of the Oba

AutomaticMotors:


How many times does the Oba have to sink it into your skull that the oduduwa the Yorubas are obsessed with was from Benin?

UGBE634:
It is proven that he died at Ughoton

Ugbe634:

You can't have it both ways, you are supporting your Benin/Yoruba connection by relying on Benin palace sources. Same palace sources in the person of the Oba (Erediawa) himself claimed that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa and you are saying you disagree because it's proven that he died in Ughoton.

You cannot eat your cake and have, you cannot select what suits you. If your most trusted sources of Benin/Yoruba connection is the palace, then you have to believe everything they say because you are not in a position to prove or contradict the palace on the personage of Ekaladerhan.

You approach history from a dogmatic perspective, you should be able to support your position with prove, you dont come across like someone that's interested in prove but what sounds okay by you.

I asked in my previous posts

1. Why no Oba of Benin had a yoruba name?

2. Why didn't Benin princes and Princesses bear yoruba names before 1897

3. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder write about Benin/yoruba connection Ajayi Crowder life saw the reigns of atleast three Obas of Benin.

4. Why didn't the Europeans write about Benin/Yoruba connection for 400 years before 1897.

5. Why can't anyone supply evidence to support Benin/yoruba connection before 1897.

Guy, you must expand your thought process, you seem like a nice guy. You shouldn't come along as someone that's here to undermine the efforts of Benin people who are genuinely researching their history.

I have said it repeatedly that I will change my position if anyone is able to convince me that Benin had anything to do with Ife before the 1800s, I don't think it should be too difficult.

When we ask questions, we expect answers but our yoruba neighbours just go quietly, only to resurrect their dogmatic position next time, you seems to be doing the same, probably this is why almost all Benin in the forum doubt you are a Benin person.

Benin people ask questions and not scared of convincing answers.

You cannot keep on saying the oba of Benin is yoruba without showing any oba, prince or princess in Benin history pre-1897 with a yoruba name.

Those that believe you have an anti Benin and anti Oba of Benin agenda are upset because you are holding on to a position you cannot provide prove. You cannot disagree with the Oba on Ekaladerhan and then go on to claim he is yoruba because of Benin/Ife connection which was feed to you by the same palace sources which the Oba heads.

samuk:




Ugbe634:

You can't have it both ways, you are supporting your Benin/Yoruba connection by relying on Benin palace sources. Same palace sources in the person of the Oba (Erediawa) himself claimed that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa and you are saying you disagree because it's proven that he died in Ughoton.

You cannot eat your cake and have, you cannot select what suits you. If your most trusted sources of Benin/Yoruba connection is the palace, then you have to believe everything they say because you are not in a position to prove or contradict the palace on the personage of Ekaladerhan.

You approach history from a dogmatic perspective, you should be able to support your position with prove, you dont come across like someone that's interested in prove but what sounds okay by you.

I asked in my previous posts

1. Why no Oba of Benin had a yoruba name?

2. Why didn't Benin princes and Princesses bear yoruba names before 1897

3. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder write about Benin/yoruba connection Ajayi Crowder life saw the reigns of atleast three Obas of Benin.

4. Why didn't the Europeans write about Benin/Yoruba connection for 400 years before 1897.

5. Why can't anyone supply evidence to support Benin/yoruba connection before 1897.

Guy, you must expand your thought process, you seem like a nice guy. You shouldn't come along as someone that's here to undermine the efforts of Benin people who are genuinely researching their history.

I have said it repeatedly that I will change my position if anyone is able to convince me that Benin had anything to do with Ife before the 1800s, I don't think it should be too difficult.

When we ask questions, we expect answers but our yoruba neighbours just go quietly, only to resurrect their dogmatic position next time, you seems to be doing the same, probably this is why almost all Benin in the forum doubt you are a Benin person.

Benin people ask questions and not scared of convincing answers.

You cannot keep on saying the oba of Benin is yoruba without showing any oba, prince or princess in Benin history pre-1897 with a yoruba name.

Those that believe you have an anti Benin and anti Oba of Benin agenda are upset because you are holding on to a position you cannot provide prove. You cannot disagree with the Oba on Ekaladerhan and then go on to claim he is yoruba because of Benin/Ife connection which was feed to you by the same palace sources which the Oba heads.

I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources.
Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc

That is after all how history is done properly

macof:


I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources.
Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc

That is after all how history is done properly

Lets not go far, oduduwa was a female first, the history of oromiyan written by Samuel j the originator said he ventured into nupe areas to war....



Samuel Johnson brought the ife, and oduduwa fairy tale into lime Light in 1897 with his book

scholes0:


He said he and the entire Esogban family came from ife oooo.
Are you saying Eogban family comes from Ife with one mouth, and saying he didn't with another?

Are you denying that the Ihogbe chiefs are from Ife also?

Or Osa and Osuan?

Or the Ine of Igun?

Or Eriyo aka Obo Oronmila of ife?

Or Edigin, Ehendiwo and Bamawo?

Since you know of the Oloton's pedigree, what will you say about the Elama below?

I watched that video. Lam’oni which was the Oba’s former greeting seems to identify with the Ooni stool or heritage. Interesting. It’s not surprising because the Ooni, not sure it’s Oduduwa, really sent his son’s out to conquer and discover new lands all over West Africa. He must have had too many sons and too many Princes is a disaster if they don’t have work. A lot of kingdoms seem to have risen at the same time.

TAO11:
who died at Ughoton?

Ekalahederan

Orhogbua:


Ekalahederan

gregyboy you seem to be a lowlifer who looks for tao's attention everywhere. I mean it's so easy to spot you out, the only person you follow is edeyoung-gregyboy

UGBE634:
gregyboy you seem to be a lowlifer who looks for tao's attention everywhere. I mean it's so easy to spot you out, the only person you follow is edeyoung-gregyboy

You're a yoruba man stop claiming edo

Thebadpolitican:



You're a yoruba man stop claiming edo

I am sorry, it is not an identity I can help or change, I was already Edo before you were born. I am sorry. I am agemates in the set you call Edion in your community. I just hate your sucker attitude that's all

UGBE634:
I am sorry, it is not an identity I can help or change, I was already Edo before you were born. I am sorry. I am agemates in the set you call Edion in your community. I just hate your sucker attitude that's all

You're a yoruba man

I don't need why you will choose to hide your identity

Thebadpolitican:



You're a yoruba man

I don't need why you will choose to hide your identity

A yoruba man will not go this length, he has nothing to prove, you on the other swear with your life that I am yoruba and watch yourself die like a fool

You are crying around like a fool that was denied pvssy

You are using this to cover your foolishness of creating different monicker to stalk her

UGBE634:
A yoruba man will not go this length, he has nothing to prove, you on the other swear with your life that I am yoruba and watch yourself die like a fool

You are crying around like a fool that was denied pvssy

You are using this to cover your foolishness of creating different monicker to stalk her

If you're an edo man then you must share something with the yorubas for you to be speaking as one of their slaves....

I refuse to belive you are a full blooded edo man

Prove me and swear you're full blooded benin man and you have no personal intentions towards the glorification of your yoruba brothers

Thebadpolitican:



If you're an edo man then you must share something with the yorubas for you to be speaking as one of their slaves....

I refuse to belive you are a full blooded edo man

Prove me and swear you're full blooded benin man and you have no personal intentions towards the glorification of your yoruba brothers

you are not worth going the mile for

How come an ogori magongo thread as turn to a Benin Yoruba argument

Thebadpolitican:



If you're an edo man then you must share something with the yorubas for you to be speaking as one of their slaves....

I refuse to belive you are a full blooded edo man

Prove me and swear you're full blooded benin man and you have no personal intentions towards the glorification of your yoruba brothers

E no fit swear that one

This shows he is yoruba or has a link with them.

Nonsense Ingredients!!!

AutomaticMotors:


E no fit swear that one

This shows he is yoruba or has a link with them.

Nonsense Ingredients!!!

If you notice I did that earlier, but he cannot be the one dictating the pace of these things, he is too inconsequential for that. I want to leave him to wallow in wonder.

I can do it again but he has to swear to me with his life that he is not Orhogbua then I will do it again. Such persons are never contended, the next he will say post your penis, there is a way an Edo penis look like
[b]I cannot be doing his bidding alone, he has to do mine too.[/b]be the referee

UGBE634:
If you notice I did that earlier, but he cannot be the one dictating the pace of these things, he is too inconsequential for that. I want to leave him to wallow in wonder.

I can do it again but he has to swear to me with his life that he is not Orhogbua then I will do it again. Such persons are never contended, the next he will say post your penis, there is a way an Edo penis look like
[b]I cannot be doing his bidding alone, he has to do mine too.[/b]be the referee

. I'm just a lover of history and I have been reading through all the threads of late, but please , stop this cursing and swearing shit. If they don't believe you are an Edo man, it's their headache.. Stick to whatever arguements you having but not about you trying to prove your identity to them.

UGBE634:
you are not worth going the mile for

I indeed have respect for someone as you who expose truth as it is because authentic Historical account is always against emotion,no matter who is at the receiving end.

Permit me to advise here that ,there is no need to lay curse on social media on self or born and unborn children because of information that has to do with ancestry.

I doff my hat

macof:


I'm sure the man is intelligent enough to understand the concept of data collection from vast sources.
Ogiamien, Oba Palace, Usen, Ife, older Benin accounts as recorded by Europeans etc

That is after all how history is done properly

His data collection is limited. Written aspect of Benin history is more than 600 years... 1440s to date. His so called data collection is limited to the 1900s to date, what happened to previous 500 years of Benin history. Even his limited data collection is selective, he refused to fully disclosed the traditions he collected from the Oba palace. The Oba palace narrative says that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, I don't think this is what he is saying here.

Benin history didn't start in 1939, Benin history is not 100 years old, anybody trying to limit Benin history to the 1930s is doing a great disservice to the Benin people, we will not allow people with ulterior motives to undermine our illustrious history.

We don't want some mischievous people 50 years from now quoting 2023 as the beginning of Benin history.

Any of the descendants of the various tribes currently living in Benin can write whatever they like today and someone will be quoting it in 50 years time as if Benin history started in 2023 and future macof will be clapping for them as being intelligent.

The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate was expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.

Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.

samuk:


His data collection is limited. Written aspect of Benin history is more than 600 years... 1440s to date. His so called data collection is limited to the 1900s to date, what happened to previous 500 years of Benin history. Even his limited data collection is selective, he refused to fully disclosed the traditions he collected from the Oba palace. The Oba palace narrative says that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, I don't think this is what he is saying here.

Benin history didn't start in 1939, Benin history is not 100 years old, anybody trying to limit Benin history to the 1930s is doing a great disservice to the Benin people, we will not allow people with ulterior motives to undermine our illustrious history.

We don't want some mischievous people 50 years from now quoting 2023 as the beginning of Benin history.

Any of the descendants of the various tribes currently living in Benin can write whatever they like today and someone will be quoting it in 50 years time as if Benin history started in 2023 and future macof will be clapping for them as being intelligent.

The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate what expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.

Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.

descendants of some of the Bini families in Benin whose ancestry are foreign. This is how it should be properly put

There is no tribe that did not receive immigrants, the Binis seem to have a way to identify theirs

You know how many Ika and Igbo people that have become Esans some centuries ago? They might not be able to Identify them because All of them greets La-ogiesan. It seem to be affecting the way they pronounce things now. Amendokhian before now is gradually been pronounced Amendochian. Ehikioya is pronounced by Some quarters where there must have been heavy Igbo migration as Ehichioya and so on.

samuk:

•••

The simple reason TAO11 left Benin history alone is because I challenged her to provide evidence of Benin/Ife connection earlier than 1824 and she couldn't. TAO11 was at her best when we allowed her to quote from the historical fairytales years of 1897 to date, but she fizzled out when the debate what expanded beyond the fairytales years and pushed back to just before the last independent Oba of Benin was deposed in 1897.

Today, TAO11 read debates about Benin history quietly.

You are testing the waters to see if I’m still active here, right? 😂

Clearly I damaged your mental health while I was here. You couldn’t stop thinking about TAO11.

A simple challenge in response to your self-consoling claims above:
Paste one link (just one) where you challenged me as you claimed, and I left without debunking you till you fled. Just one link from anywhere on Nairaland will do.

Lastly, why do you insist on Nairaland that Benin has no connection to its father, Ifẹ. Yet on Facebook you hold the view that they had ancient connections??

Why? 🤣

TAO11:

You are testing the waters to see if I’m still active here, right? 😂

Clearly I damaged your mental health while I was here. You couldn’t stop thinking about TAO11.

A simple challenge in response to your self-consoling claims above:
Paste one link (just one) where you challenged me as you claimed, and I left without debunking you till you fled. Just one link from anywhere on Nairaland will do.

Lastly, why do you insist on Nairaland that Benin has no connection to its father, Ifẹ. Yet on Facebook you hold the view that they had ancient connections??

Why? 🤣

You must have been reading someone else on Facebook.

The truth is you did more to push people like me to discover that the Benin/Ife connection was fabricated after 1896, I have to give you some credit for that. Anyway how have you been.

samuk:
You must have been reading someone else on Facebook.

The truth is you did more to push people like me to discover that the Benin/Ife connection was fabricated after 1896, I have to give you some credit for that. Anyway how have you been.

I love how you’ve been relegated to the pit of denying yourself clownishly. 🤣 🤡

Listen Samuel, you’ve made a self-consoling claim here in relation to my past engagements with you.

You’ve now been asked to simply provide just one link from same Nairaland to back up your consolation.

See how you’re parading naked, going in circles rather than help yourself with links to where you performed this stunt you’re claiming/wishing you performed.😅

I’ve apparently battered your mental health, but I pray it’s not beyond recovery. 😢 I didn’t mean to.

Anyway, help yourself with the Nairaland links where I couldn’t stand up to your challenge — just one link.

In the meantime, while I’m waiting, virtually everyone active in the Nairaland culture section in the last 3 – 4 years have come to realize that your Ọmọnọbas are of Ifẹ-Yoruba patrilineal ancestry, roots & origin.

Some of these active readers (including Igbos & Binis) have expressed their conviction of this historical fact.

Such is life. Rest. Peace ✌🏾