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SIRTee15:
The Islamic doctrine is based on the revelation of one Man, just one Man. No other Muslim received any divine revelation apart from Mohammed. No one corroborated his revelation during his lifetime or after his death.

Yet Muslims will tell u to abandon a doctrine revealed to hundreds of prophets over thousands of years. They all confirmed and wrote the same thing about God at different times in history- this is the most authentic chain of narration a religion can offer.

All Islamic chain of narration can only be traced to just one Man who claimed to have spoken to an angel inside a cave, no one else spoke to this angel or saw the angel.
Muhammed changes his revelation at will and nobody can question him because no one else can communicate with Allah or jibril except Muhammad. Even smart Aisha smelled a rat and was suspicious of Mohammed's God of convenience.

Muslims always brag about chain of narration in Islam, but what weakest chain can exist than a religion that has her narration and the faith of millions tied to the testimony of just one Man.


One man whose testimony had no other witness. No independent verification or confirmation of muhammed's prophecy or revelation. Every thing about Islam goes back to him only.

A man whose revelation contradicted past real life events and had to kill Jews who questioned it in order to sustain his lies. I call such testimony a scam and a fraud. This makes Islam a one chance bus.

Let's assume the Jews in Medina were betrayers and deserves what came upon them. But is there someone else that can challenge the Jews/Christians and confirm Muhammed's own 'version of truth' by divine or theological independent verification.

Muslims pls think for a minute. Have u guys ever wondered if this man was schizophrenic or suffering from psychosis of delusion.

U could say the same about Jesus but he had 12 disciples who witnessed his divinity e.g the transfiguration. His disciples and hundreds of followers attested to his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension. Philip the doubter called him my Lord and my God after witnessing his resurrection.

Paul who never met Jesus received his own revelation independently on the road to Damascus.

Can Muslims boast of this, u guys have pinned your hope on a single man who could have been a fraud.
A man whose life is a far cry from any resemblance of prophethood. Muhammad's lifestyle is so embarrassing that progressive Muslims now deny the hadith that wrote about such lifestyles.

Muhammed is no prophet, Muslims should think, don't be fooled. A prophet should be able raise men who will continue his work of divine revelation, he trained nobody. A prophet should be able to perform miracles, he did none.

Muhammed hated the Jews because most of the things he said contradicted what's in their books- the Torah, and they rightly rejected him. That's why he had them expelled from the Arabian peninsula to prevent them from exposing his lies.

You couldn't have summarised their faith much better. Fabrications from the beginning to the end. Even they themselves don't trust their own Islamic literatures. They do cherry picking to choose what agrees with them per time.

LegalWolf:
What I know is that you TenQ of Nairaland is a potential thief🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

drlateef:
So, who told you there were no witnesses when those miracles happened?

Who were the witnesses at least the hadith should mention either Aisha, Fatima or Umar or Al Abbas etc.

Just one hadith will be enough for evidence.

Unfortunately, Allah says no miracle was given to Mohammed. Are you manufacturing EVIDENCES?

TenQ:
Who were the witnesses at least the hadith should mention either Aisha, Fatima or Umar or Al Abbas etc.

Just one hadith will be enough for evidence.

Unfortunately, Allah says no miracle was given to Mohammed. Are you manufacturing EVIDENCES?

Go dig for evidence. We know there were numerous witnesses. You don’t get your answer from only one hadith.

drlateef:
I hope you can think: if you read that Allah took Eesa to Himself and you believe it, because that is why you quote it, what stops you believing the same Allah that says mirage snd Israh happened? Don’t you read that too in Quran?

I do NOT believe that Allah took Eesa to Himself. It is your books that said so.

Who brought the Qur'an to you? Is it not the same Mohammed through Jubril? How can he be an Evidence in his own case.

I don't believe in the Qur'an because it is impossible for God to make mistakes and also impossible that God doesn't know how nature works.

Let me give you a few examples

1. Why does Allah think that the Sun sets inside Murky Waters: I believe you know a little geography
2. Why did Allah say that men have their semen/reproductive fluid coming from their backbone while the women have their reproductive fluid coming from their ribs: again I expect that you know a little biology
3. Why did Allah forget that he is above going to hell fire in the Al-Fathia and he is praying to who for salvation
4. Why did Allah think mary the mother of Jesus is the Daughter of Amran (who is the Father of Moses) and mary is actually the sister of Aaron?
5. If Allah dictated the Quran, how come he seem not to know what he created FIRST?
6. Why did Allah (if he is God) allow Prostitution for Muslims and the guidelines for it in the Quran
7. Why did Allah think marrying and divorcing children is OKAY?
If these are untrue I can give you Quranic references: what if they are all TRUE?

Can you please explain: these contradictions if they are not fabrications of Mohammed

jaephoenix:
This is very rich coming from a Christian who wholeheartedly believes Cain built a whole city alone, donkeys and snakes talk, sun stood still, a dude lived in a fish for days, a virgin got preggies etc.
Aint it funny

Unfortunately for you, this is between two sets of THEISTS who believe in MIRACLES!

The point of argument is:
Who are the witnesses to Mohammed's claims: NO ONE!
Not his 13 Wives, not his companions, not people in Mecca or Medina, not the Jews ....

drlateef:
Go dig for evidence. We know there were numerous witnesses. You don’t get your answer from only one hadith.

If I have found evidences in the hadiths, I wouldn't have bothered you but they don't exist anywhere EXCEPT you can find one for me.

Just one hadith will be enough for evidence.


Secondly, are you contradicting the almighty Al-Lah?
Because, Allah says no miracle was given to Mohammed. Are you manufacturing EVIDENCES?

We're miracles given to Mohammed by Al-Lah?

TenQ:
You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

What I know is that you TenQ of Nairaland is a potential thief🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

drlateef:
So, who told you there were no witnesses when those miracles happened?

If there are witnesses, a single hadith will do me: thank you.

Should I wait for 1 hour for you to find a witness?

Has prophet Mohammed ever given a testimony that was found to be completely UNTRUE?

LegalWolf:
What I know is that you TenQ of Nairaland is a potential thief🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don't be a COWARD!

I said:
You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

jaephoenix:
This is very rich coming from a Christian who wholeheartedly believes Cain built a whole city alone, donkeys and snakes talk, sun stood still, a dude lived in a fish for days, a virgin got preggies etc.
Aint it funny

When we say the bible is the word of God, we don't mean the texts itself but the revelation in the texts. Bible writers gave narration of events based on the understandings of the limited knowledge available to them at that time.
the letter killeth but the spirit gives life. Pls be guided.

TenQ:
Don't be a COWARD!

I said:
You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

Lol, potential thief 🤣🤣🤣

Again: What I know is that you TenQ of Nairaland is a potential thief🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

TenQ:
If I have found evidences in the hadiths, I wouldn't have bothered you but they don't exist anywhere EXCEPT you can find one for me.

Just one hadith will be enough for evidence.


Secondly, are you contradicting the almighty Al-Lah?
Because, Allah says no miracle was given to Mohammed. Are you manufacturing EVIDENCES?

We're miracles given to Mohammed by Al-Lah?

Show me the verse where Allah says He did not give miracle to Muhammad. As for the israh wal miraage, i will give you a verse to read. Its far greatee than any hadith or witness. Because it is a statement of Allah and the ultimate truth. Read chapter 17:1.

TenQ:
I do NOT believe that Allah took Eesa to Himself. It is your books that said so.

Who brought the Qur'an to you? Is it not the same Mohammed through Jubril? How can he be an Evidence in his own case.

I don't believe in the Qur'an because it is impossible for God to make mistakes and also impossible that God doesn't know how nature works.

Let me give you a few examples

1. Why does Allah think that the Sun sets inside Murky Waters: I believe you know a little geography
2. Why did Allah say that men have their semen/reproductive fluid coming from their backbone while the women have their reproductive fluid coming from their ribs: again I expect that you know a little biology
3. Why did Allah forget that he is above going to hell fire in the Al-Fathia and he is praying to who for salvation
4. Why did Allah think mary the mother of Jesus is the Daughter of Amran (who is the Father of Moses) and mary is actually the sister of Aaron?
5. If Allah dictated the Quran, how come he seem not to know what he created FIRST?
6. Why did Allah (if he is God) allow Prostitution for Muslims and the guidelines for it in the Quran
7. Why did Allah think marrying and divorcing children is OKAY?
If these are untrue I can give you Quranic references: what if they are all TRUE?

Can you please explain: these contradictions if they are not fabrications of Mohammed

I don’t argue for argument sake. If you are seeking truth to be a musilm, i can sit down with you.

drlateef:
I don’t argue for argument sake. If you are seeking truth to be a musilm, i can sit down with you.

I know much about Islam because I ALMOST recited the shahada some years ago.
It was the obvious contradictions in the Qur'an that made me slow down and LEARN more of both the Christian and Islamic theology. I am therefore not speaking from here-say but from what I know.

My job is to help other Muslims to ASK Questions rather than blindly accepting everything they see. There are too many things you don't know in Islam sir even though you may have memorised the Qur'an , the Hadiths and the Tafsirs with strict compliance to the five pillars.

To know Islam, you need to ASK Questions!

Of course, if you can convince me that my observations are erroneous, I am highly reasonable and might convert to the superior knowledge of Islam

drlateef:
Show me the verse where Allah says He did not give miracle to Muhammad. As for the israh wal miraage, i will give you a verse to read. Its far greatee than any hadith or witness. Because it is a statement of Allah and the ultimate truth. Read chapter 17:1.

Qur'an 17:1
Holy is He Who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque (in Makkah) to the farther Mosque (in Jerusalem) whose surroundings We have blessed that We might show him some of Our Signs. Indeed He alone is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.

I am aware of this verse BUT the verse was given by Mohammed through Jubril from Allah. UNFORTUNATELY,
1. Only Mohammed has seen Jubril
2. Only Mohammed gave the report claiming Jubril got it from Allah

The whole narrative is hinged on one Man Mohammed.

Let me ask you a question:
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?


About where Allah says he gave no miracles to Mohammed, plentiful

Surah 29:50:
And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say : The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner.

Surah 13:7:
The unbelievers say, “Why has God not sent him, (Muhammad), some miracles.” Muhammad, you are only a warner. For every nation there is a guide.


Who do we believe, you or Allah?
Allah says no miracles was given to Mohammed as Mohammed is just a Warner!

TenQ:
I know much about Islam because I ALMOST recited the shahada some years ago.
It was the obvious contradictions in the Qur'an that made me slow down and LEARN more of both the Christian and Islamic theology. I am therefore not speaking from here-say but from what I know.

My job is to help other Muslims to ASK Questions rather than blindly accepting everything they see. There are too many things you don't know in Islam sir even though you may have memorised the Qur'an , the Hadiths and the Tafsirs with strict compliance to the five pillars.

To know Islam, you need to ASK Questions!

Of course, if you can convince me that my observations are erroneous, I am highly reasonable and might convert to the superior knowledge of Islam

Sir, the problem I see in you is that when you noticed any seeming contradiction you don’t probe deep to know the truth behind it. I suspect your sincerity to find truth shaky, that’s why you have not seen the truth.

LegalWolf:
Lol, potential thief 🤣🤣🤣

Again: What I know is that you TenQ of Nairaland is a potential thief🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Slanderous attacks are signs of Weakness and Cowardice. If you have anything in your brain of value, bring it on.
It's a challenge.

Of course this is CHILDISH!
I repeat CHILDISH!

Again:



I said:
You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

drlateef:
I don’t argue for argument sake. If you are seeking truth to be a musilm, i can sit down with you.

You don't need to argue: all you need to do is to present FACTS proving that the itemized below are UNTRUE

1. Why does Allah think that the Sun sets inside Murky Waters: I believe you know a little geography
2. Why did Allah say that men have their semen/reproductive fluid coming from their backbone while the women have their reproductive fluid coming from their ribs: again I expect that you know a little biology
3. Why did Allah forget that he is above going to hell fire in the Al-Fathia and he is praying to who for salvation
4. Why did Allah think mary the mother of Jesus is the Daughter of Amran (who is the Father of Moses) and mary is actually the sister of Aaron?
5. If Allah dictated the Quran, how come he seem not to know what he created FIRST?
6. Why did Allah (if he is God) allow Prostitution for Muslims and the guidelines for it in the Quran
7. Why did Allah think marrying and divorcing children is OKAY?
If these are untrue I can give you Quranic references: what if they are all TRUE?

Can you please explain: these contradictions if they are not fabrications of Mohammed

TenQ:
Qur'an 17:1
Holy is He Who carried His servant by night from the Holy Mosque (in Makkah) to the farther Mosque (in Jerusalem) whose surroundings We have blessed that We might show him some of Our Signs. Indeed He alone is All-Hearing, All-Seeing.

I am aware of this verse BUT the verse was given by Mohammed through Jubril from Allah. UNFORTUNATELY,
1. Only Mohammed has seen Jubril
2. Only Mohammed gave the report claiming Jubril got it from Allah

The whole narrative is hinged on one Man Mohammed.

Let me ask you a question:
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?


About where Allah says he gave no miracles to Mohammed, plentiful

Surah 29:50:
And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say[b]: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner.[/b]

Surah 13:7:
The unbelievers say, “Why has God not sent him, (Muhammad), some miracles.” Muhammad, you are only a warner. For every nation there is a guide.


Who do we believe, you or Allah?
Allah says no miracles was given to Mohammed as Mohammed is just a Warner!

First of all, when Muhammed received that revelation there were people with him and he related it to them. He even related that he saw some caravan coming to Makka. Shortly after that the caravan arrived and everything was confirmed.

And as for those verses, Allah does not boast about His miracles to Muhammad. But definitely he performed many miracles in his life and were witnessed by many people. Allah does not use His miracles to boast and He knows that even if miracles are given to those asking for it, they will still not believe him.

drlateef:
Sir, the problem I see in you is that when you noticed any seeming contradiction you don’t probe deep to know the truth behind it. I suspect your sincerity to find truth shaky, that’s why you have not seen the truth.

My friend Dr Lateef,
I actually study deep both the Qur'an, the hadiths and read the Tafsirs.

HOWEVER, the difference between both of us is that
1. I ask questions before accepting ANYTHING as fact
2. You don't ask questions before accepting ANYTHING you read as fact.

This is where the difference it. When you question Islam, the NARRATIVES break down. Examples on the Qur'an alone
1. Is it true that there is only ONE Arabic Qur'an?
2. Is it true that Qur'an has been perfectly preserved word for word, dot for dot?
3. Is it true that there is NO iota of contradiction in the Qur'an?
When you question the Islamic narratives, you will understand that the standard narratives break down irrevocably.

I am sure you'll agree with me that the Truth is not afraid of questioning!

drlateef:
First of all, when Muhammed received that revelation there were people with him and he related it to them. He even related that he saw some caravan coming to Makka. Shortly after that the caravan arrived and everything was confirmed.

If people were with Mohammed when this happened, does he need to narrate it to them?

drlateef:
And as for those verses, Allah does not boast about His miracles to Muhammad. But definitely he performed many miracles in his life and were witnessed by many people. Allah does not use His miracles to boast and He knows that even if miracles are given to those asking for it, they will still not believe him.

No sir!
Allah doesn't need to boast about miracles. It is Mohammed who as a human being may need to boast. But Allah was responding to Questions the disbelievers were asking Mohammed.

They say:
"Mohammed, we are NOT seeing you do any MIRACLES Luke the prophets of old. Show us a sign?"

Allah came to defend Mohammed:
"Mohammed is just a Warner, not a miracle worker"!

If Mohammed did miracles, how is it that the Disbelievers and the Companions never saw him perform any?

All the miracles attributed to Mohammed was several years after his death in violation of the plain word of Allah.


I asked you a question



Let me ask you a question:
Has Mohammed ever said a testimony or event which turned out to be completely UNTRUE?

SIRTee15:
When we say the bible is the word of God, we don't mean the texts itself but the revelation in the texts. Bible writers gave narration of events based on the understandings of the limited knowledge available to them at that time.
the letter killeth but the spirit gives life. Pls be guided.

Hold up! Are you saying the events in the Bible didn’t literally happen, or what?

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you, this is between two sets of THEISTS who believe in MIRACLES!

The point of argument is:
Who are the witnesses to Mohammed's claims: NO ONE!
Not his 13 Wives, not his companions, not people in Mecca or Medina, not the Jews ....

Unfortunately these two sets of THEISTS have the same illness: gullibility. And they accuse each set of being gullible, while being totally guilty of the same sin.
You claim Mo had no witnesses to his many claims, but you quickly forget the bible is filled with mind bending stories, like Samson slaughtering many Philistines. Imagine one man killing thousands of able bodied men, and they were all queued up waiting for Samson to kill them with a donkey jawbone.
If you believe the above story(and many like it in the Bible) without witnesses or corroborations from mainstream history books, then you're even worse than Muslims

jaephoenix:
Unfortunately these two sets of THEISTS have the same illness: gullibility. And they accuse each set of being gullible, while being totally guilty of the same sin.
You claim Mo had no witnesses to his many claims, but you quickly forget the bible is filled with mind bending stories, like Samson slaughtering many Philistines. Imagine one man killing thousands of able bodied men, and they were all queued up waiting for Samson to kill them with a donkey jawbone.
If you believe the above story(and many like it in the Bible) without witnesses or corroborations from mainstream history books, then you're even worse than Muslims

You don't have to believe in miracles, the people I engage with believes in it. Therefore, you are in a wrong section sir.

Were there witnesses of miracles in the Bible or these were done in secret?
That is the point.

Too bad you don't believe in miracles as your existence is just one pure mind boggling miracle

TenQ:
Slanderous attacks are signs of Weakness and Cowardice. If you have anything in your brain of value, bring it on.
It's a challenge.

I’m not calling you a thief (which would be slander) but a potential/would-be/future thief? How’s that slander, giving that you are an habitual liar, ehn 😔

Of course this is CHILDISH!
I repeat CHILDISH!

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Again:



I said:
You don't disappoint with respect to questions on your prophet and Islam.

Round about except the point!?


Oya pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

Potential thief oooooo 🤣🤣🤣🤣😝🤣🤣🤣

TenQ:
You don't have to believe in miracles, the people I engage with believes in it. Therefore, you are in a wrong section sir.

Were there witnesses of miracles in the Bible or these were done in secret?
That is the point.

Too bad you don't believe in miracles as your existence is just one pure mind boggling miracle

How is my existence a miracle?
My pops hits on my moms and boom, I was made. Where's the miracle process?
There's no need to ask you to provide evidence of your miracle claims, both of you

jaephoenix:
How is my existence a miracle?
My pops hits on my moms and boom, I was made. Where's the miracle process?
There's no need to ask you to provide evidence of your miracle claims, both of you

You are made from inorganic dumb atoms that chemically reacted together isn't it.

Where did the "programming" that gave you CONSCIOUSNESS and INTELLIGENCE come from?

At least from the periodic table of elements and the laws of chemistry and physics, there is NOTHING that predict these attributes of yours.

Thank you

LegalWolf:
I’m not calling you a thief (which would be slander) but a potential/would-be/future thief? How’s that slander, giving that you are an habitual liar, ehn 😔



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Oya, your dumb response again as You pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

TenQ:
Oya, your dumb response again as You pretend again that you didn't read the question!
SMH!



Is Mohammed's Night Journey To The 7 Heavens: REAL Or FICTIONAL ?

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Hey TenQ

When are you forging a new topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!? Stand up and stop being a lazy ass

Lol! Future thief TenQ

LOL! Potential thief!!!

TenQ:
I know much about Islam because I ALMOST recited the shahada some years ago.
It was the obvious contradictions in the Qur'an that made me slow down and LEARN more of both the Christian and Islamic theology. I am therefore not speaking from here-say but from what I know.

.......

By your logic, who is your witness that you ALMOST recited the Shahada? At least, I am not asking you who moses witness was when 'yhwh' purpotedly revealed himself to him (something over three thousand years ago) but you that we are contemporaries. Tell us your witness, potential thief!

Of course, if you can convince me that my observations are erroneous, I am highly reasonable and might convert to the superior knowledge of Islam

(all underlines mine)

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