₦airaland Forum

seunmsg:
The federating units are anyways described as 36 states and the FCT. Like is said, the intention of the law is what we should look at and not the semantics. Btw, the court will adjudicate so no problem at all.

The person that wrote this part wasn't thinking.

There is a difference between
1. The 36 states of the federation And FCT and

2. The 36 states of the federation INCLUDIND the FCT

DeOTR:
Again, ChatGPT is not a reliable interpreter of our law. Like I told someone days ago, our Court of law will clear our doubts if the need arises.
It's a common knowledge that the narrative being peddled is that a President elect must have at least, 25% in the FCT. You don't expect ChatGPT to think differently do you?
See, I'm a professional Software Engineer myself and I started out as a Data Science and Machine Learning. The AI was taught with information that are available.
I hope you know there's a disclaimer in ChatGPT?

Do you know that ChatGPT's knowledge is still limited to 2021 data? You think it is reading nairaland and twitter live? I don't care what your profession is, you clearly know very little about what chatgpt is. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I have asked it in a different way just to remove any doubt and focus on just the English. Here you go ❤️

PS: yes it could go to our court of law and I wouldn't be surprised if they rig the constitution too but the English language meaning is beyond clear DeOTR ❤️

Thanks you made mention of it, that the lawyers even don't know what was written there...

What I know is that the highest number in a poll wins.
And secondly Abuja is not criteria no be announced as the president of the nation.

Look at NNPC candidate, he won kano lost the rest state, if kano is Abuja so he will be announced president... bro baba fela don talk am, don let anyone to finger your brain with law. Nah rubbish full there

lovewins:
Even the APC folks who are saying it doesn't matter now assumed they got the 25% required in FCT. They are pandering because now it isn't in their favour.

I however think this is new territory because everyone elected president hitherto has always satisfied the 25% in Abuja. The courts or INEC might need to interpret.

Prior to the election I remember this was a question asked top lawyers in the country and they had conflicting interpretation of said provision.

We'll have to wait till then

wegevv:
I don't even care. As long as APC loses lol

But from my count PDP have 25% in 19 states. LP have 25% in 17 states and 25% in FCT.

I have seen some people ask if it is the party that won the most states or the party that got 25% in the most states. Because LP are currently winning more states than PDP. I think it's the party with 25% in most states but needed to double check tbh

Anyone but APC ❤️

face reality bro you know APC is not on the losing side according to inec report

I hope this won't be a repetition of the scandalous scandal of the Shagari vs Awolowo debacle of 1979 Presidential election!

nonhuman:
face reality bro you know APC is not on the losing side according to inec report

They will lose a runoff against PDP ❤️

duro4chang:
You are doing a good job. I wish we were all like you

lol...

nonhuman:
face reality bro you know APC is not on the losing side according to inec report

if this gets to a runoff laidis against PDP. 😂😂

E no go funny a swear

Emmy909:
Thanks you made mention of it, that the lawyers even don't know what was written there...

What I know is that the highest number in a poll wins.
And secondly Abuja is not criteria no be announced as the president of the nation.

Look at NNPC candidate, he won kano lost the rest state, if kano is Abuja so he will be announced president... bro baba fela don talk am, don let anyone to finger your brain with law. Nah rubbish full there

Just head a similar case happened in 1979 where awolowo got 82% of Lagos (then FCT) and Shagari got 7% but was still declared president. Apparently, FCT for the purpose of the election is regarded as a state and 25% in FCT may not be required as long as you satisfy 2/3 in 24 other states.

Again, still think this may go to court for interpretation.

N3TRAL:
The draft-men gave that particular state a name. They cannot say in 37 states because Nigeria has 36 states and the FCT. That's the name.

Open your constitution section 299.

In ordinary language it's "Even though we are not calling it 37 states, every place we have said 36 states and the FCT, the FCT will be regarded as a State".


Read Femi Falana's message here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/01/winning-fct-not-requirement-for-winning-presidency-falana/amp/

you wrong. The section says 2/3 of all States. It did not say 36 states

Stop kidding yourself So you think someone from Abuja can decide to run for president, win the entire area denying other contestants 25% of the votes in FCT and use it to hold the entire country hostage even if he doesn't win anywhere else and more popular candidate win in 30 states? So If Kwankwaso were from FCT and contest everytime no one will ever be president? You think the people who drafted the constitution are retarrds?

N3TRAL:
The constitution is the law here. section 299 gives it the status of a state for the purpose of interpretation of the constitution.

So why didn't it say 37 states?

Let's even assume FCT is a state called Abuja state. Once you say 2/3 of 36 states and Abuja state, it means you must win 2/3 of 36 states and also win "Abuja State". Easy to understand. There is going to be a run off

bazoodo:
you wrong. The section says 2/3 of all States. It did not say 36 states

the constitution did say 36 states of the federation And FCT

Spirit04:
Stop kidding yourself So you think someone from Abuja can decide to run for president, win the entire area denying other contestants 25% of the votes in FCT and use it to hold the entire country hostage even if he doesn't win anywhere else and more popular candidate win in 30 states? So If Kwankwaso were from FCT and contest everytime no one will ever be president? You think the people who drafted the constitution are retarrds?

that's the truth
But I still hate tinubu, f.uck that old man.
Peter obi or Biafra✊

Spirit04:
Stop kidding yourself So you think someone from Abuja can decide to run for president, win the entire area denying other contestants 25% of the votes in FCT and use it to hold the entire country hostage even if he doesn't win anywhere else and more popular candidate win in 30 states? So If Kwankwaso were from FCT and contest everytime no one will ever be president? You think the people who drafted the constitution are retarrds?

lol, this constitution na rubbish.

This is very contentious. The English there is very debatable

Spirit04:
Stop kidding yourself So you think someone from Abuja can decide to run for president, win the entire area denying other contestants 25% of the votes in FCT and use it to hold the entire country hostage even if he doesn't win anywhere else and more popular candidate win in 30 states? So If Kwankwaso were from FCT and contest everytime no one will ever be president? You think the people who drafted the constitution are retarrds?

Your emotional opinion does not change the law

Spirit04:
Stop kidding yourself So you think someone from Abuja can decide to run for president, win the entire area denying other contestants 25% of the votes in FCT and use it to hold the entire country hostage even if he doesn't win anywhere else and more popular candidate win in 30 states? So If Kwankwaso were from FCT and contest everytime no one will ever be president? You think the people who drafted the constitution are retarrds?

that's why there's a rerun. And in a rerun you only need to score the highest number of votes

IamANigerianMan:
Who is going to make FCT 25% for him

but

He already has it

FatherOfJesus:
the constitution did say 36 states of the federation And FCT

he has not less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja.

We are watching

maestroferddi:
lol...

You too lol...

FatherOfJesus:
lol, this constitution na rubbish.

This is very contentious. The English there is very debatable

not really. What it means is that if you have 25% in only 23 states but also have 25% in FCT you are good to go. FCT is not a state that is why it's specifically mentioned. If FCT were compulsory politicians would've been deploying all their arsenal there so that even if they don't win they can use their votes there to hold everyone hostage. Gbayi and the other people would've been the most powerful people in the country

Spirit04:
not really. What it means is that if you have 25% in only 23 states but also have 25% in FCT you are good to go. FCT is not a state that is why it's specifically mentioned. If FCT were compulsory politicians would've been deploying all their arsenal there so that even if they don't win they can use their votes there to hold everyone hostage. Gbayi and the other people would've been the most powerful people in the country

Nope, that what the constitution says.

It says that you have to score "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states states in the federation and the FCT"

It different from "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states states in the federation INCLUDIND the FCT"


Please read below

This now leaves who decides to be the president to the INEC Chairman. He now has the power to make Atiku or Tinubu president.

So, Atiku and Tinubu fate are now in the hand of Yakubu.

FatherOfJesus:
Nope, that what the constitution says.

It says that you have to score "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states states in the federation and the FCT"

It different from "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states states in the federation INCLUDIND the FCT"


Please read below

Lmao it's a bot you are getting information from? When they announce him as president-elect this evening you can go to court and tell them a bot on the internet said they can't

Spirit04:
Lmao it's a bot you are getting information from? When they announce him as president-elect this evening you can go to court and tell them a bot on the internet said they can't

I am not getting information from the bot. The bot understands English language better than both of us.

It's simple English that you don't like because it doesn't fit your sentiment

wegevv:
FCT is not a state. That is the fact. It has no gubernatorial elections or Governor. The president appoints a minister instead.

In English language you cannot group two different things like that. If you want to, you need to be more explicit.

You know the law betterthan falana a SAN. Go to FP and see his submission..

Midehi3:
They will still rig this one, watch

The law is not sacrosanct on winning fct as a criteria for winning presidential election.
25 percent of election casted in 25 states of the federation and highest numbers of votes in the presidential election is what the law says.

pquaver:
You know the law betterthan falana a SAN. Go to FP and see his submission..

Ah ah I wouldn't dare arguing with an oga like Falana. My own is that the English is very very clear. There is only one intepretation.

But if the SAN wants to rig the constitution for APC then that's his own business.

Anyone but APC ❤️

The FCT is treated as a state. It makes no sense to make the 25% requirements a MUST for the FCT. Because that'd make the FCT and its people have special status and that's not the case.

wegevv:
Do you know that ChatGPT's knowledge is still limited to 2021 data? You think it is reading nairaland and twitter live? I don't care what your profession is, you clearly know very little about what chatgpt is. Stop embarrassing yourself.

I have asked it in a different way just to remove any doubt and focus on just the English. Here you go ❤️

PS: yes it could go to our court of law and I wouldn't be surprised if they rig the constitution too but the English language meaning is beyond clear DeOTR ❤️

It's limited to 2021 which means the bot "cannot give accurate answers to queries that would be connected to events after 2021", so what's your point?
The model was trained from sources like Wikipedia, books, news articles, scientific journals and git repositories.
Again, it was trained on available wrong submissions like the ones being peddled here and there by your likes.
Does it make an authority to explain our law? No.
I use the chat bot daily and I know about it better than you do.
Again, how does "25% in 2/3 of 36 states and the FCT" come to mean "25% in 2/3 of 36 states and 25% in the FCT"?
Even a Mathematical model would represent that statement as 0.25 * (36 + 1).
We're talking about matter of law interpretation in English, you're bringing an answer from a bot that most probably got trained from data from Wikipedia. How ridiculous?

wegevv:
Ah ah I wouldn't dare arguing with an oga like Falana. My own is that the English is very very clear. There is only one intepretation.

But if the SAN wants to rig the constitution for APC then that's his own business.

Anyone but APC ❤️

English here is clear.. But English context gives its meaning.. FcT is like a state in Nigeria with special status.. 36 states and FcT... FcT is inclusive in the " 37 states" of Nigeria. Do u now get it..