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What most people refer today as atheism which has for sometime is beginning to diverge from ancient Atheism is what I appropriately termed as Anti-theism.

Atheism has been existing since time immemorial but the majority of "modern or new atheism" is more antagonistic, aggressive and radical with the goal of showing the dark side of all religion and also arguing against religion through science using evolution, mathematics, rationalism, archeology, geology etc.

Antitheism is the appropriate term that should be adopted as a label by those who regard theism as dangerous, destructive, or encouraging of harmful behavior.

One of the straw that broke the camel back was the September 11, 2001 attack by islamic terrorist which sparked outrage leading to the rise of antitheism. With people saying religion no longer benefits us.

Christopher Hitchens (2001) wrote:

"I'm not even an atheist so much as I am an antitheist; I not only maintain that all religions are versions of the same untruth, but I hold that the influence of churches, and the effect of religious belief, is positively harmful."

Christopher Hitchens , Sam Harris, Daniel Dennet and Richard Dawkins are together known as the 4 horsemen of "Modern Atheism" or Antitheism.

1. SAM HARRIS wrote influential books, The End of Faith and Letter to a
Christian Nation followed by a later book and subsequent highly
popular podcast series Waking Up on his great
interest in exploring how morality and spirituality can flourish outside
religious teaching.

2. DANIEL DENNETT is a great philosopher. His book Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural
Phenomenon, caused plenty of fluttering in academic, intellectual,
religious and political arena.

3. RICHARD DAWKINS is responsible for introducing
evolutionary biology and Darwinism to generations through his books, The
Selfish Gene and The Blind Watchmaker. He
acquired a worldwide reputation as a sceptic, ‘passionate rationalist’ and
‘proud atheist’.

4. CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS (late) was a journalist, essayist,
polemicist, contrarian, debater, political historian, author and thinker.
God Is Not Great is one of his famous book as he blames religion for most of the problems of humanity citing islamic suicide bombers and rise of terrorism as well as christian crusades and roman inquisition.

HAYAN HIRSI ALI has sometimes been known as the 5th horse person. She is in utter opposition to the barbarism of Islam.

Religion has reached a point where if it didn't reform it will be discarded.

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As human, wether you believe there's God or not, you are the one to loose and not the creator.

AbdulMagaji:
As human, wether you believe there's God or not, you are the one to loose and not the creator.

Which particular 'creator'? Thor? Yahweh? Allah?

jaephoenix:
Which particular 'creator'? Thor? Yahweh? Allah?

The creator of heaven and earth.

AbdulMagaji:
The creator of heaven and earth.

Brahma?

Maynman:
Brahma?

There's only one True God and his name is

I AM THAT I AM.


If this is the meaning of the word Brahma in Hindu , then it means the creator of the heavens and the earth.


If not, then it's the name of an idol.

AbdulMagaji:
There's only one True God and his name is

I AM THAT I AM.


If this is the meaning of the word Brahma in Hindu , then it means the creator of the heavens and the earth.


If not, then it's the name of an idol.

The “i am that i am” is a wrong translation of the common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎‎ (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye) use to describe the Israelite deity called yahweh.

Yahweh is a little idol though and if we are to compare both, yahweh stands no chance to brahma.

AbdulMagaji:
If not, then it's the name of an idol.

God literally means idol.

Maynman:
The “i am that i am” is a wrong translation of the common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎‎ (’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye) use to describe the Israelite deity called yahweh.

Yahweh is a little idol though and if we are to compare both, yahweh stands no chance to brahma.

I was born in a community were I observed the traditions closely as a kid.

Having grown up with my family I came to the realization that the old testament serves as the basis on which my traditions were built.

Now when translated into English, we refer to God in my tradition as follows

Mighty God or God almighty

God the creator

God that never changes = I am that I am

So we do not relate with any white Jewish assumptions as we already knew who God is before the British brought in the new testament.

AbdulMagaji:
I was born in a community were I observed the traditions closely as a kid.

Having grown up with my family I came to the realization that the old testament serves as the basis on which my traditions were built.

Now when translated into English, we refer to God in my tradition as follows

Might God or God almighty

God the creator

God that never changes = I am that I am

So we do not relate with any white Jewish assumptions as we already knew who God is before the British brought in the new testament.

“God” is an English word that comes from germanic origin.
God simply means IDOL. You grew up in an English community?
You’ll have to find another name for your deity then.

Tanakh which christians call Old Testament predates “jews”. Moses is not a jew.
The king of the gods and creator in “Old Testament” is El, also an IDOL.

AbdulMagaji:
I was born in a community were I observed the traditions closely as a kid.

Having grown up with my family I came to the realization that the old testament serves as the basis on which my traditions were built.

Now when translated into English, we refer to God in my tradition as follows

Mighty God or God almighty

God the creator

God that never changes = I am that I am

So we do not relate with any white Jewish assumptions as we already knew who God is before the British brought in the new testament.

It is a waste of your time arguing with that mad devil. He is both mad and a devil.

Maynman:
“God” is an English word that comes from germanic origin.
God simply means IDOL. You grew up in an English community?
You’ll have to find another name for your deity then.

Tanakh which christians call Old Testament predates “jews”. Moses is not a jew.
The king of the gods and creator in “Old Testament” is El, also an IDOL.

Well, that's left for the English man to resolve.

But the general term in English as I understand is that when you use the word..

God = it refers to a bigger entity, biggest of all
gods

god = refers to a smaller entity, which is not
wordy


Just like the several realms in heaven..


There are realms which the smaller god exists, while there are also realms in which the biggest God exists.


And the biggest God is assumed to have created all the smaller heavens including the earth.

AbdulMagaji:
Well, that's left for the English man to resolve.

But the general term in English as I understand is that when you use the word..

God = it refers to a bigger entity

God = refers to a smaller entity, which is not
wordy


Just like the several realms in heaven..


There are realms which the smaller God exists, while there are also realms in which the biggest God exists.


And the biggest God is assumed to have created all the smaller heavens including the earth.

As you understand is different from facts on ground.
The English man is the one that knows his words in English, just as an English man won’t be claiming he understand yoruba language.

God/god means same thing.

Are we talking mythologies here?
Heaven means sky? What are the realms of sky?

Maynman:
As you understand is different from facts on ground.
The English man is the one that knows his words in English, just as an English man won’t be claiming he understand yoruba language.

God/god means same thing.

Are we talking mythologies here?

Any tribe in the world has a name or caption that refers to the almighty God.


We cannot see the almighty God because he is not human.

Imagine the planetary system, do you think someone who is human can create such 7 rocks revolving around the Sun?


It's not magic.


Even the earth we live in today..

There's nothing on this Earth that can be created with magic.

So who ever created this Earth and other planets can never be equated with human.


He should be called omnipotent, omniscience because these things were created, not magically.


God can reveal things to you, if you seek him or if he has dedicated you for a certain purpose in life.

Kalatium:
What most people refer today as atheism is what I appropriately termed as Anti-theism.

You are talking rubbish like saying appropriation and misappropriation is not stealing.

Atheism and anti theism means Hatred and refusal to acknowledge The Person of God and other connected purposes.

Which of course is an old phenomenon since men saw that they had the power to disregard, disrespect and disobey God.

AbdulMagaji:
Any tribe in the world has a name or caption that refers to the almighty God.


We cannot see the almighty God because he is not human.

Imagine the planetary system, do you think someone who is human can create such 7 rocks revolving around the Sun?


It's not magic.


Even the earth we live in today..

There's nothing on this Earth that can be created with magic.

So who ever created this Earth and other planets can never be equated with human.


He should be called omnipotent, omniscience because these things were created, not magically.


God can reveal things to you, if you seek him or if he has dedicated you for his purpose.

Every tribe in the world has names for the head of their local deities.
Greeks call it zeus
Latins call it odin
Jews call it yahweh
Cannanite call it El.

Each one of these are headgods in their respective tribes, .
They are called omnipotent, omniscience and any attributes their followers wish to call them
We can see god which means idol.

What makes a thing a god?
Why do you think “someone” created the planetary system? Why one “someone”?

This god is not human, yet you are using human male gender term “him”? Why?
You are right though, god is for man, goddess is for woman
Which of the gods gan, Yahweh?

Maynman:
Every tribe in the world has names for their local deity.
Greeks call it zeus
Latins call it odin
Jews call it yahweh
Cannanite call it El.

Each one of these are gods in their respective tribes, .
They are called omnipotent, omniscience any attributes their followers wish to call them
We can see god which means idol.

What makes a thing a god?
Why do you think “someone” created the planetary system? Why one “someone”?

This god is not human, yet you are using human gender term “him”? Why?
Which of the gods gan, Yahweh?

Every tribe in the world can refer to what ever deity or gods a name of their kind.

But there's an almighty, a mighty one who supercedes all deity's, gods etc.

He can never be compared with these gods or deity.


There's an almighty God who reigns at the highest heavens.


God frowns at the worship of these deity's, gods.


These gods are all human made, they can never be compared with the almighty. In Asia, Europe, America, Africa. You are not to worship anything other than the God that created the heavens and the earth.

AbdulMagaji:
Every tribe in the world can refer to what ever deity or gods.

But there's an almighty, a mighty one who supercedes all deity's, gods etc.

He can never be compared with these gods or deity.


There's an almighty God who reigns at the highest heavens.


God frowns at the worship of these deity's, gods.


These gods are all human made, they can never be compared with the almighty. In Asia, Europe, America, Africa. You are not to worship anything other than the God that created the heavens and the earth.

Each tribe in the world makes claims of their headgods as almighty and bla bla. You keep regurgitating what you read in your book.
As if other tribes also don’t have books, quran and vedas etc each claiming their god as superior.
Allah is not same as yahweh, yahweh is not same as olorun, olorun is not same as zeus, yet all these gods claim they rule heavens according to what we read in A BOOK!

God and Deity means same thing.
Every god is human made, you said you read the Old Testament why not look up on the origin and save yourself from this ignorance, and besides is Old Testament written in English? What was used in replace of “god”? Old Testament belongs to a particular tribe now even though it predates them.

Heaven means sky. You just keep regurgitating what you read in a book.

We know your god called yahweh is a jealous god according to what you read in a BOOK!

Maynman:
Each tribe in the world makes claims of their headgods as almighty and bla bla. You keep regurgitating what you read in your book.
As if other tribes also don’t have books, quran and vedas etc each claiming their god as superior.
Allah is not same as yahweh, yahweh is not same as olorun, olorun is not same as zeus, yet all these gods claim they rule heavens according to what we read in A BOOK!

God and Deity means same thing.
Every god is human made, you said you read the Old Testament why not look up on the origin and save yourself from this ignorance, and besides is Old Testament written in English? What was used in replace of “god”? Old Testament belongs to a particular tribe!
Heaven means sky. You just keep regurgitating what you read in a book.

We know your god called yahweh is a jealous god.

Almighty God is not human made.

If your God is human made, then tell him to create a planet elsewhere where you and your other believers can quietly relocate to and serve him there!

Just throw this as a challenge to your human made God, since he is physically there with you.

AbdulMagaji:
Almighty God is not human made.

If your God is human made, then tell him to create a planet elsewhere where you and your other believers can quietly relocate to and serve him there!

Just throw this as a challenge to your human made God, since he is physical there with you.

God simply means idol, whatever attributes you claim to it is none of my business. Where is the evidence your deity created anything?

If your god is almighty, tell him to stop malaria that kills over 100 people everyday in Nigeria which are mostly children.
Just throw this as a challenge to your almighty God, or is HE aloof?

I’m not a deity worshipper like you.

Earlier you said you base your LIFE on Old Testament, why not look up on the origin of the book you are basing your LIFE on and save yourself from this ignorance?

Maynman:
God simply means idol, whatever attributes you claim to it is none of my business. Where is the evidence your deity created anything?

If your god is almighty, tell him to stop malaria that kills over 100 people everyday in Nigeria which are mostly children.
Just throw this as a challenge to your almighty God, or is HE aloof?

I’m not a deity worshipper like you.

Earlier you said you base your LIFE on Old Testament, why not look up on the origin of the book you are basing your LIFE on and save yourself from this ignorance?

You are just having problem with English language here!

The word God/gods is just an English term that is used to differenciate a bigger spiritual entity from a smaller one. However they are pronounced same way.


The term god is used to mean the man made spiritual entities which mostly look like a carved images and some also exist in water, air etc.


Now in English, the term God is used as the creator of the heavens and the earth and that which live in it.

AbdulMagaji:
You are just having problem with English language here!

The word God/gods is just an English term that is used to differenciate a bigger spiritual entity from a smaller one. However they are pronounced same way.


The term god is used to mean the man made spiritual entities which mostly look like a carved images and some also exist in water, air etc.


Now in English, the term God is used as the creator of the heavens and the earth and that which live in it.

You are the one that’s having problem with English language.
The word god/God means same thing the same way deity/Deity means same thing, you putting capital G shows the level of your indoctrination.

Where in english is “God” used as the creator of heaven and earth? Show me.
Or you mean in MONOTHEISTIC thoughts?
Where in English language is the “The term “god” used to mean the man made spiritual entities which mostly look like a carved images and some also exist in water, air etc.”
Show me.

You’ve been making illiterate claims and assumptions since.
You lack knowledge on this topic.

Maynman:
You are the one that’s having problem with English language.
The word god/God means same thing the same way deity/Deity means same thing, you putting capital G shows the level of your indoctrination.

Where in english is “God” used as the creator of heaven and earth? Show me.
Or you mean in MONOTHEISTIC thoughts?
Where in English language is the The term “god” used to mean the man made spiritual entities which mostly look like a carved images and some also exist in water, air etc.

You’ve been making illiterate claims since.
You lack knowledge on this topic.

You always go online to dig your knowledge and paste here!

Mind you the English language was never in existence 450 yrs ago.

More so there's no tribe in Asia or middle east that is older than an African tribe.

Unfortunately English language is used to translate most spiritual terms which now made it look unreal to you.

In this argument, Even if I am to explain it to you in my tribe I will still repeat same thing but in this case I will use a pointer specific terms.

AbdulMagaji:
You always go online to dig your knowledge and paste here!

Mind you the English language was never in existence 450 yrs ago.

More so there's no tribe in Asia or middle east that is older than an African tribe.

Unfortunately English language is used to translate most spiritual terms which now made it look unreal to you.

In this argument, Even if I am to explain it to you in my tribe I will still repeat same thing but in this case I will use a pointer.

So where do you dig your own ignorance from and paste here? Post the sources or you are assuming base on ignorance
What does English language existence got to do with the topic? God is an English word that has germanic origin.
You are dull, English language is not used to translate anything of what you said. Better look up the origin of the word “spiritual” and “heaven”, illiterate.
Is Old Testament or New Testament written in English?
Do jews use English language or arabs speak English?
Is quran written in English?
Where are you getting all these jargons from?
The reason you and i are speaking in English because it’s out official language,

Please explain it in your tribe let’s see.
You are becoming empty

Maynman:
So where do you dig your own from and paste here? Post the sources or you are assuming base on ignorance
What does English language existence got to do with the topic? God is an English word that has germanic origin.
You are dull English language is not used to translate anything of what you said. Better look up the origin of the word “spiritual” and “heaven”, illiterate.
Is Old Testament or New Testament written in English?

Please explain it in your tribe let’s see.
You are becoming empty

English is the problem you have here!

In my dialect, I already knew the distinction between gods and God as used by an English man. We have what we call both with clear cut distinction.

What I tried to do is to fit one into the category in which it belong in English language.

AbdulMagaji:
English is the problem you have here!

In my dialect, I already knew the distinction between gods and God as used by an English man. We have what we call both with clear cut distinction.

What I tried to do is to fit one into the category in which it belong in English language.

You are the one that lacks knowledge in basic English.
please post where you dig your own ignorance from and paste here?
You’ve been making claims and assumptions with zero references, you are the dullard here!

What’s your language, and I’ll tutor you on it!
Illiterate!

Hope you know olorun is not same as yahweh, they are different gods!

Maynman:
You are the one that lacks the knowledge on basic English, please post where you dig your own ignorance from?
You’ve been making claims and assumptions with zero references, you are the dullard here!

What’s your language, and I’ll tutor you on it!
Illiterate!

Hope you know olorun is not same as yahweh, they are different gods!

If you like call it whatever you want, you can even go to the British pedia to browse whatever you want from there.

But there's a clear distinction between deity's, gods , allah etc and the creator of the universe.

I pray he reveal a bit of himself to you.

AbdulMagaji:
If you like call it whatever you want, you can even go to the British pedia to browse whatever you want from there.

But there's a clear distinction between deity's, gods , allah etc and the creator of the universe.

I pray he reveal a bit of himself to you.

Where are you getting your own information from? From your smelly ass?

You can continue basking in ignorance.
Allah is a god same way yahweh is a god same way as brahma. If you like put capital G, deceiving yourself.

If not that you are empty you’d have posted your references.

I hope you don’t die a jewish slave worshipping israelite god called yahweh.

Kalatium:
Religion has reached a point where if it didn't reform it will have to be discarded.

And then we can each, as individuals, worship our own deity of choice in our private space?

I vote we discard religion then abeg!

Dtruthspeaker:
You are talking rubbish like saying appropriation and misappropriation is not stealing.

Atheism and anti theism means Hatred and refusal to acknowledge The Person of God and other connected purposes.

Which of course is an old phenomenon since men saw that they had the power to disregard, disrespect and disobey God.

So what is your point

Kalatium:
So what is your point

My point is antitheism is still atheism described for short.

AbdulMagaji:
Any tribe in the world has a name or caption that refers to the almighty God.


We cannot see the almighty God because he is not human.

Imagine the planetary system, do you think someone who is human can create such 7 rocks revolving around the Sun?


It's not magic.


Even the earth we live in today..

There's nothing on this Earth that can be created with magic.

So who ever created this Earth and other planets can never be equated with human.


He should be called omnipotent, omniscience because these things were created, not magically.


God can reveal things to you, if you seek him or if he has dedicated you for a certain purpose in life.

You have a point , however what you are saying seems to be assumptions or what you grew up knowing not based on facts.