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Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 10:23pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
raskymonojendor: Below is the 1962 map of lagos the dot at the bottom was where the Lagos Island Capital Was all the rest was under the western region You can see that more than 97% of Today’s lagos was in Awolowo’s western region Even Lagos Island was handed back to Awolowo as part of the western region at Independence the western region allowed the National Government to Continue using Lagos Island as the Capital only out of Consideration for the National Interest 9 Likes 1 Share
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Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by Nobody: 10:23pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Why are they proud of slavery heritage 3 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 10:25pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:The Saros played a treacherous role in the battle that replaced Oba Kosoko with British vassal Akitoye Ogun Ahoyaya Today is not the time to go into detail other than to say Madam Tinubu a prominent Egba Lagosian,slave dealer and wife of Oba Adele lost out when the British decided to end slave trade and returning slaves sided with the British She was banished to Abeokuta by the British For a long time there was not much intermarriage because of the slave stigma and s stream of Saros flowed into the Island 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by raskymonojendor: 10:32pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:This map gives another view 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 10:34pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:Lagos Island was not handed back The Federal capital had a minister the late Yar'adua 's father The Federal capital ended around the rail crossing where Fela's house used to be: IdiOro Western Region was from Mushin on that axis Four divisions Epe,Ikeja,Ikorodu and Badagry were Western Region Th last Lagos was what used to be called Eko Fedira(federal) before the state was created in 1967 10 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by raskymonojendor: 10:35pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:Oh. Thanks for this. 1 Like |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by raskymonojendor: 10:36pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
thebosstrevor1:Yes. That's why they keep those slave master's name. 2 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by Throwback: 10:38pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Please educate him. Many Igbos erroneously think that those who bear English or Brazilian (Portuguese) surnames are more Lagosian than those who bear Yoruba surnames. 12 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 10:40pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: I know the History very well Chinedu Rhodes attitude is absolutely Shocking, it is the equivalent of Kenya claiming to own the united States because Obama was President over it Who do Chinedu and ipob think they are ? Lagos is Aworiland Lagos is 100% Yorubaland The Awori are 100% Yorubas and from Ife Originally On the day the British Colonial Government first landed in Lagos in 1851 Oyo controlled Badagry Area including Seme Which they had taken from the king of Dahomey along with Porto Novo (Ajase) in War . The Oyos had initially also taken Allada ,Ouidah and Cotonou at the time but the King of Dahomey had managed to take them back while the Oyo were very busy fighting the Power drunk Afonja and the Fulani at Ilorin The Oyos had fought Dahomey as Allies of the Eguns aare oona kakanfo oyabi had led the Oyo Army The Abeokuta Egba Army Controlled all of Lagos Mainland including Iddo Island and all the Territory from there to Abeokuta Which they had won in the Ota War of 1842 in Which the Oyos of Ibadan fought as Allies of Oba Kosoko and the Awori and received such a heavy defeat at the hands of the Egbas that the Ibadan Army had to be smuggled back home. The whole Episode almost led to the downfall of Basorun Oluyole back at Ibadan The Ijebu Army Controlled Everything East and North of Lekki including Victoria Island All Oba Kosoko Controlled was the Slave market and Port of Isale Eko on Lagos Island, Even Ikoyi belonged to the Onikoyi who was Awori Yoruba with Oyo roots Again if you hear that Yorubas spent 100 years fighting themselves till 1878, Just know that the Egba, Ijebu and Oyo Which included Ibadan were also fighting for Control of the Coast of Lagos Control of the Coast of Lagos meant Titanic Wealth. but unfortunately much of that was from the Slave trade The Lagos territory Controlled by the Egbas , Oyo and Oba Kosoko belonged to the Awori People who were the most Peaceful and accommodating of all Yoruba Clans Eko is Yoruba short for Ereko which means field and for Confirmation Ereko Market where the Egbas and Ijebu traded is still on Lagos Island today Also Eko Ende in Osun State was one of the Locations of the Jalumi War of 1878 The Awori have inhabited Lagos since the 13th Century when they migrated from Ile Ife led by Olofin Ogunfuminire who was a great grandson of Oduduwa and a nephew of Oranmiyan who headed to Benin around the same period The Land on Which Isale Eko of the Oba of Lagos is located belongs to the Awori Yoruba Aromire family till today Aromire was one of the Sons of Olofin Ogunfuminire The Otun Ekiti People migrated from Lagos in the 15 th Century and share the same ancestry with the Awori of Lagos It was the returnee Egba Slaves who had been Converted to Christianity at Sierra Leone Bishop Ajayi Crowther included that asked the British Queen Victoria to invade Oba Kosoko’s Lagos in order to finally end the Evil Slave trade Bishop Ajayi Crowther had met with Queen Victoria and Prince Albert her Husband at Windsor Castle over the Issue of how to finally end the Slave Trade in Lagos on 18th November 1851 and the Royal British Navy Bombarded Lagos one month Later on 26th of December 1851. Bishop Ajayi Crowther who was originally from Osogun near Oyo had himself at age 13 been sold to a Portuguese Slave Trader at Lagos for a bottle of Wine and some Tobacco leaves Capt Labulo Davies who later married Queen Victoria’s adopted Daughter Sarah Bonnetta (Aina) originally from Ilaro , was on the British ship that Bombarded Oba Kosoko’s Lagos in 1951 and Oba Akitoye whom the British had restored to the Throne of Lagos had first met the British Missionaries at Abeokuta while he was exiled there as Abeokuta was also Oba Akitoyes Owu mother’s Hometown he had promised. to end the Evil Slave Trade if the British helped to restore him to his Throne which his nephew Oba Kosoko had Usurped with the help of some local and Portuguese Slave traders after Oba Akintoye had driven the Portuguese Slave Traders out of Lagos 6 years earlier Slave Trading was Oba Kosoko’s Business and his Slave Market was at Ereko Market of Isale Eko on Lagos Island where he also sold European made Goods Ok listen to the Oba of Lagos Himself At 25 mins of the Video below the what did Oba of lagos mean when he Said "I am a Yoruba monarch" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0IK0SL9s0&t=1740s 11 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 10:46pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 10:48pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:I mostly agree but do not agree That Oyo controlled Badagry . Discussion for another day 1 Like |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by Ballmer: 10:51pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
So Lagosians from the Island are more Lagosians than those of us from Ikorodu Epe Badagry is that what you foolishly implies ? 40Bullets: 9 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 10:55pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Badagry was the Alaafin of Oyos Sea Port and the Egun were his Subjects but as you said that is for another day and the Egun can clarify their own History themselves But this Chinedu boy doesn't know the first thing about Lagos History which is Lagos City itself belongs mainly to Awori and Ijebu But why have ipob abandoned the SE for Lagos Have they lost interest in Biafra already? 8 Likes 1 Share
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Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 11:01pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Throwback: Autochthons do not bear any of those names like Doherty,Williams,Coker,Smith,Gonzalez,Da Silva,Cole,,Doherty,Randle etc but those families settled and identified as Yoruba and were accepted. Many were educated to very high standard and consequently constituted a privileged and elite class on the Island with direct access to the colonial British Many sent their kids to London to get educated e.g Olayinka Rhodes in the famous Board members song Their contribution to Lagos cannot be denied but I understand why they might not have a full concept of the Rest of the state YINKA RHODES AND ABACHA 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 11:01pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Ballmer:Add Ikeja Iddo Ebute Meta ,Agege ,Oshodi etc It is a big shame that someone who claimed to be from Lagos opened his mouth and allowed that Trash to come out Firstly Lagos Island is less than 3% of Lagos State Secondly Lagos Island belongs to the Yoruba Awori everyone else settled there as their guests 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 11:09pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:It is simply not true. Let us not derail this thread Oyo never controlled Ijebu and certainly not Badagry You might need to go to Ajase/Porto Novo to seek Oyo controlled ports. You need to unlearn that It is also not true that Oyo was in the reckoning in 1851.Ibadan was the major military force involved in the Osogbo war in 1840 4 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 11:11pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Ibadan are Ethnic Oyo When Oyo people are mentioned Ibadan is included in the term Oyo never controlled Ijebu Thank God Ijebu People were too much of a headache to handle even for the British They are the only ones that can handle themselves That Badagry paid tribute to Oyo is beyond contention That is correct but don't let us not digress 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 11:17pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Lagos Island was part of the Western Region at Independence It was allowed to continue as the Capital just for the sake of National Unity 3 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by olamieseun(m): 11:17pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
This is the most educated thread have ever read in nairaland since have join this forum. 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 11:28pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
raskymonojendor: He should take the likes of Chinedu Rhodes with him Eko O ni baje 3 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by Throwback: 11:50pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Ballmer: That is what Chinedu has said. He would rather that his Igbo uncles and aunties have opportunities in Lagos than Ijebus who own a vast portion of Lagos. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 11:50pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:Sorry that is totally wrong I adjure you to stop making assertions about what you do not know Lagos which was the capital of Nigeria was not just Lagos Island it included Lagos Mainland,,Ikoyi ,Victoria Island and Apapa. It was not part of the Western Region. That is nonsense I am sorry. At no time was Lagos Island part of the Western Region or governed from Ibadan It's status in British Law was also different from the rest of Nigeria. The pre 1960 passport was different if you were born in "Lagos Colony" which was not a Protectorate but a Possession of the British Crown. If you were born in Lagos Colony before 1960 you can still today apply for a British passport 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by nisai: 11:52pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Beremx:What do you mean "Lagosians wannabe-attached"? I am Ijebu and Ijebus are indigenous to Lagos State. They are indigenous to Lagos island too in particular because they are one of the earliest settlers probably after the Awori group. 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by nisai: 11:56pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
Throwback:Leave the clown. Abiiko akoigbo ita lati nko won wa ile. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 11:58pm On Mar 14, 2023 |
christistruth01:Doesn't matter and is irrelevant. Americans were ethnically English I do not know whether Badagry paid tribute to Oyobut I do not believe that Paying tribute and being in control are completely different things People pay tribute to Boko Haram and or Bandits I have to ask you if you are from Lagos state because your claims do not match anything I have heard and I have decades of study of Lagos history under my belt Badagry was never part of Oyo Empire . That is untrue 1 Like |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by DMerciful(m): 12:00am On Mar 15, 2023 |
Lagos is Nigerian territory.....it was surrendered when the colony of Lagos was amalgamated to the Southern protectorate before merging with the Northern protectorate. 90% of development in Lagos was dine by federal government using Nigerian esp Niger Delta oil money. Lagos belongs to all Nigerians equally 0m0nnakoda: |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by DMerciful(m): 12:01am On Mar 15, 2023 |
Lagos has been captured but Igbo hate is bigger than servitude 0m0nnakoda: |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by nisai: 12:07am On Mar 15, 2023 |
AndroBlaze:As in..... The guy has lost it. 1 Like |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 12:11am On Mar 15, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Ask the People of Badagry themselves 1 Like |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by 0m0nnakoda: 12:13am On Mar 15, 2023 |
DMerciful:You just jump in like an errant child into adult conversationand start talking ignorantly Who is talking about territory? We are talking law and legal status Where does SURRENDER come into it. The question of What is or is not Nigerian territory can only arise after 1960. Before then it was British and So any queries would have to reference British law and treaties. Part of why we had to give up Bakassi What was the official title of Nigeria after Amalgamation in 1914 Today it is Federal republic of Nigeria What was it in 1914? Colony and Protectorate of Nigeria Colony was Lagos Legally in British law the rest of Nigeria was a Protectorate and not a Colony many never inquire into what that means legally but it is significant The likes of Vivour-Rhodes may qualify for a British passport by a complex but still valid route 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by christistruth01: 12:13am On Mar 15, 2023 |
raskymonojendor: It is not possible for someone from Lagos State not to know that a Big Chunk of Lagos State is actually in Ijebuland Many People said he isn't Yoruba and cannot speak the Language He doesn't know anything about Lagos History 4 Likes |
Re: A Man From Ijebu Is Questioning A Rhodes-vivour by Throwback: 12:14am On Mar 15, 2023 |
0m0nnakoda: Christistruth01, he is right about what the area composition of colonial Lagos was as at pre-independence. However, Lagos was part of the Western Region Parliament, as such, Azikiwe being an MP from Lagos, wanted to become Premier of the Western Region. When his NCNC failed to gain majority seat in the Western Region Parliament, with AG forming the regional government with Awolowo as Premier, Azikiwe then tried to go to the Federal Parliament as a Lagos MP. However, the regional Parliament was required to ratify those who would proceed to Federal Parliament, so Awolowo rather ensured that it was a Yoruba Lagos MP (Olorunimbe) that was ratified for Lagos to proceed to the federal Parliament. Azikiwe realising that Awolowo had successfully caged him within the Western Region Parliament, abandoned his Lagos MP seat at the Ibadan regional Parliament, and took up a seat by replacement in the East, and ensured he resisted Dr Eyo Ita who had become Premier as NCNC leader in the SouthEast but could not successfully start his government, so he could take up the Eastern Premiership for himself as NCNC national leader. 7 Likes 2 Shares |
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