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Kobojunkiee:
1. The "errors and contradictions" — disinformation— contained in Scripture are meant to mislead and redirect people's attention away from the Truth of God. Religion is what men have taken to building atop of exactly that, the distractions — lies — which have nothing to do with the Truth of God. So, no, people are instead hanging themselves with disinformation wrapped up in their own delusions.

2. According to Jesus Christ, He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel meaning that only those who have the literal blood of Jacob coursing through their literal veins can gain access into the Kingdom of God via the born-again process which He described in John 3 vs 1-8. [b]So, it follows that all those who make it into becoming possessed by a spirit are the Lost sheep of Israel. [/b]So, yes, I believe that to be true in my case.

1. So you're saying the intended contradictions and barefaced lies in the Bible was meant to deceive folks like you who aint Israeli, so you'd go to hell?
2. Care to explain the bolded

LordReed:
■ Ok I get it. So when I say your god uses deception you should have no qualms with that statement right?
■ If I understand you correctly there are 2 ways to be a Lost Sheep of Israel: by blood or by spirit possession?

1. Recall how we got here.

LordReed:
Interesting. Why would something prone to serious error be chosen as the means to disseminate what you regard as a life altering message?

God allowed and used men prone to serious error in disseminating His message. Is there a reason why He shouldn't have used men? Is there a reason why God should have used only His Holy hands to write the books? You are free to claim He used deception but where I sit it doesn't seem that way at all to me.

2. Wrong! You are a lost sheep because you have the blood of Jacob coursing through your veins.

bobestman:
■ where did i say God is a liar? Cos you don't understand me you want to make it look like am against God. Things i say are in the word. Your level of understanding is what matters. For truth speaks in silence and in riddles. Only the pure eyes and discerning heart can see and understand. Wait for it

1. By claiming everyone does His command, you declared Him an absolute liar and a fraud. You twist your own self into these corners and then you think you can wiggle out by insulting the intelligence of one who points it out? Come one now!!

jaephoenix:
■ So tell me Kobo, are you Israelite or Israeli? Is not, what da fvck are you doing with the bible?

1. Did you not read the response at all?

jaephoenix:
■ So basically you're saying Yahweh is tryna cut down on peeps that would make it to heaven? Whoa! Is there an accommodation scarcity in heaven or what, bro?

1. I never said any of this.

jaephoenix:
1. So you're saying the intended contradictions and barefaced lies in the Bible was meant to deceive folks like you who aint Israeli, so you'd go to hell?
2. Care to explain the bolded

1. I never said anything about them being bare-faced lies. I instead said they are not the Truth of God — meaning they fall under what could be simply opinions and perceptions of men, words of demons, and devils.

2. what part of the statement do you not understand from what is written in the context of John 3 vs 1 - 8?

Kobojunkiee:
1. Recall how we got here.
God allowed and used men prone to serious error in disseminating His message. Is there a reason why He shouldn't have used men? Is there a reason why God should have used only His Holy hands to write the books? You are free to claim He used deception but where I sit it doesn't seem that way at all to me.

So the god used deception through men?

2. Wrong! You are a lost sheep because you have the blood of Jacob coursing through your veins.

Do you have the blood of Jacob coursing through your veins?

LordReed:
■ So the god used deception through men?
■ Do you have the blood of Jacob coursing through your veins?

1. Your claim.

2. Yep, literally!

Kobojunkiee:
1. Did you not read the response at all?

I'm confused. Just answer the question

Kobojunkiee:
1. I never said any of this.

This is what you said
God's intention, as I believe it, is to minimize the number of those who in fact make it through to the Kingdom of God, particularly through the broad gate that will lead to eternal damnation.

Kobojunkiee:
1. I never said anything about them being bare-faced lies. I instead said they are not the Truth of God — meaning they fall under what could be simply opinions and perceptions of men, words of demons, and devils.

2. what part of the statement do you not understand from what is written in the context of John 3 vs 1 - 8?

1. 'Perceptions of men, words of demons and devils' are simply lies. Can the devil say something that is truthful?
2. I meant this your statement
So, it follows that all those who make it into becoming possessed by a spirit are the Lost sheep of Israel
Explain it

Kobojunkiee:
1. Your claim.

2. Yep, literally!

1. Actually you insinuated it
2. So you're Israeli?

jaephoenix:
■ I'm confused. Just answer the question

1. Go back and re-read the comment you responded to abeg!

jaephoenix:
■ This is what you said
God's intention, as I believe it, is to minimize the number of those who in fact make it through to the Kingdom of God, particularly through the broad gate that will lead to eternal damnation.

1. So where do YHWH and Heaven come into that?

jaephoenix:
1. 'Perceptions of men, words of demons and devils' are simply lies. Can the devil say something that is truthful?
2. I meant this your statement
So, it follows that all those who make it into becoming possessed by a spirit are the Lost sheep of Israel
Explain it

Read the passage and the response as many times as it will take you to grasp what is in fact stated abeg!

tctrills:
Obviously you don't understand what you read. Now let me educate you on Jeremiah 7.31
31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.
Now you have read it. God never said he was against the eternal torment of the wicked. He only said he was against the people burning their sons.
On the other hand, in Revelations 20.10
Teaches that the wicked would be tormented forever.
Do you now understand?

Death is like a relief for any suffering creature God created life for His children (humans) to enjoy it {Genesis 1:26-28} He wants us to enjoy every moment of it to the full that's why He detests it when humans brings pain and suffering upon their fellow humans {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so when humans alienated themselves from God He knew that the suffering will be much that's why He declared death upon them reducing their days {Genesis 6:3} and to the minimum of 70-80 {Psalms 90:10} so they can go and bring Him no more heart break because His eyes are too pure to continue looking unto the suffering of His children! Habakkuk 1:13

So if Satan now confused you into thinking this same person will now sustain humans in pains not for seconds or minutes or hours or days or weeks or years but forever.

Then it means you know nothing about our happy God! 1Timothy 1:11

tctrills:
According to JW but according to Jesus Christ, they would be tormented forever. My brother how would I leave Jesus Christ and believe you?

Jesus that can't bear the sight of people suffering {John 11:35} will now tell you that suffering will be for ever shey?

Ọmọ you know nothing about Jesus of Nazareth!

tctrills:
Hell fire could be symbolism but it does not represent what can't be recalled to live. We are already told that it represents eternal torment. Do you get it now?
Its interesting, we both believe in eternal punishment the only difference is that I believe the bible that says the sinner would suffer eternal punishment.
While you believe that it's the innocent that would suffer eternal punishment in memory of the sinner. JW God is a clown

You believe eternal damnation but you think the damned will not return to dust rather they will be preserved alive gnashing their teeth.

Perhaps you don't know that teeth is made up of bones and bones are part of the human body God formed from the dust.
So if those in your eternal hellfire still possess bones then how do you reconcile that with the pronouncement of God that sinners will return to dust? Genesis 3:15; Psalms 104:29 Ecclesiastes 3:20; 12:7

bobestman:
you think critically when you put your God given brain to work to get the right answers on issues. JWs have hijacked your brain with their dogtrines. If you don't teach it how they taught you, you may die. You regard their guess work more than what God says. You are just like a zombie doing their bidding thinking you are working for God. May the spell they used to bound your brain be broken. Say amen

Guy how do you come about a Messiah that has a wife and son nah?

jaephoenix:
Fruitcake

Does this mean Sarcasm?
Because that's what i does to people who knew fact but chose to twist it!

Kobojunkiee:
1. Your claim.

And yours since you say it was a deliberate act by your god.

2. Yep, literally!

Ok.

LordReed:
■ And yours since you say it was a deliberate act by your god.
Ok.

1. What I instead said was that God ALLOWED it mentioning that I believe it serves a purpose. God's Word doesn't depend on the book nor is there some expressed need for the book but He allowed it to be written by the hands of men.

Something else to consider is this. If a book was written by God's own hands--- perfect, without "errors and contradictions", then no man would be able to touch let alone read from it given that God is Holy and men aren't. Such a book would be of absolutely no value to the sinners(the unholy) whom He came to call to Himself.

Kobojunkie:
1. What I instead said was that God ALLOWED it mentioning that I believe it serves a purpose. God's Word doesn't depend on the book nor is there some expressed need for the book but He allowed it to be written by the hands of men.

Something else to consider is this. If a book was written by God's own hands--- perfect, without "errors and contradictions", then no man would be able to touch let alone read from it given that God is Holy and men aren't. Such a book would be of absolutely no value to the sinners(the unholy) whom He came to call to Himself.

You say your god allowed it for his own purpose then its a deliberate use of deception. If I allow my child to tell a stranger I am not home when in fact I am then I used deception, its that simple.

The OP just caused a lot of trouble for atheists and churchgoers!

As Adam's descendants all humans are sinners sentenced to death from the day they're born {Romans 3:23; 5:12 compare to Psalms 51:5} so all their babies are also doomed that's why many were destroyed in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even when Jerusalem was destroyed.

So how do we cross from being God's enemies to become God's friends?

Due to His underserved kindness God showed mercy to all descendants of rebellious Adam by setting up a nation and introduced Himself to them, He gave them laws depicting His likes and dislikes, only those adhering to His standard have crossed the line.

So even if anyone is a descendant of Abraham but failed to adhere to God's righteous standard such a person remains God's enemy {Matthew 3:7-10} and all the descendants of such a person too no matter their age even a minute old baby.

That's what Jesus told the Israelites that they shouldn't consider their children safe when God's anger comes {Luke 23:28-29} because only those adhering to the message he came to deliver will be saved.

Therefore babies of Israelites who are supposed to be God's heritage will be dashed and crushed by executioners! Luke 21:23

The atheist who started this thread knows what he's doing, he just wanted to create cyber enemies against God's people for what we know and believe. The video he quoted was meant for Jehovah's Witnesses so that we can be ignited with the urgency of saving as many as we can. We shouldn't look at babies as angels to be preserved during God's anger rather we should view them as God's enemies awaiting execution if what Jesus taught isn't inculcated in their hearts or that of their parents who will in turn teach these babies.

That's the import of the video.
So if anyone feel offended by the video let him or her go and read what Jesus said about babies in Noah's days and those whose parents aren't believers in his own time then come back and ask for the full length of the video of Stephen Leth's message.

Thanks God bless you and may you have PEACE!

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122457195]You believe eternal damnation but you think the damned will not return to dust rather they will be preserved alive [b]
gnashing their teeth it's not about what I think it's clearly written in your bible.

Perhaps you don't know that teeth is made up of bones and bones are part of the human body God formed from the dust.
Oga did they not teach you that dead men don't weep, wail, and gnash their teeth?

So if those in your eternal hellfire still possess bones then how do you reconcile that with the pronouncement of God that sinners will return to dust? Genesis 3:15; Psalms 104:29 Ecclesiastes 3:20; 12:7
Its funny you asked this question because we have both answered it. All have sinned so all would return to the dust. That includes you. Does that answer your question now?
Now the bible did not tell how long they would be in the dust. But the bible teaches that the earth would give up it's dead. All would be resurrected and judged. Everything I have said is written in your bible.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus that can't bear the sight of people suffering {John 11:35} will now tell you that suffering will be for ever shey?

Ọmọ you know nothing about Jesus of Nazareth!

You talk as a child. Every single day, Jesus Christ watches billions of humans suffer of sickness, poverty, wars, heartbreaks, and so on. Please come up with another excuse.
So because Jesus Christ cried for the lost of a friend you really think he does not have the capacity to see billions suffer? Sorry to burst your bubble, everyday he watches billions of humans suffer and die.
Again your argument is unwise because if Jesus Christ can't bear people dying as in the case of Lazarus, why do you think he wouldn't resurrect everyone?

MaxInDHouse:
Death is like a relief for any suffering creature God created life for His children (humans) to enjoy it {Genesis 1:26-28} He wants us to enjoy every moment of it to the full that's why He detests it when humans brings pain and suffering upon their fellow humans {Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9} so when humans alienated themselves from God He knew that the suffering will be much that's why He declared death upon them reducing their days {Genesis 6:3} and to the minimum of 70-80 {Psalms 90:10} so they can go and bring Him no more heart break because His eyes are too pure to continue looking unto the suffering of His children! Habakkuk 1:13

So if Satan now confused you into thinking this same person will now sustain humans in pains not for seconds or minutes or hours or days or weeks or years but forever.

Then it means you know nothing about our happy God! 1Timothy 1:11

Yes God wants everyone to be happy that's why he gave us his gospel. He wants everyone including little children to find salvation. He does not delight in a sinner Lossing his soul.
Ezekiel 33:11
So why do you believe he would destroy the sinners.
You believe he would even destroy innocent babies. Baba your God is wicked. I worship a God that would punish only the evil, not babies.

tctrills:
gnashing their teeth it's not about what I think it's clearly written in your bible.

Illustration!

tctrills:
gnashing their teeth it's not about what I think it's clearly written in your bible.

Death is the opposite of life so there's nothing happening to anyone who has died. That's why the Bible calls the ultimate judgment "Second Death" {Revelations 20:14} no literal teeth gnashes there!

tctrills:
Its funny you asked this question because we have both answered it. All have sinned so all would return to the dust. That includes you. Does that answer your question now?
Now the bible did not tell how long they would be in the dust. But the bible teaches that the earth would give up it's dead. All would be resurrected and judged. Everything I have said is written in your bible.

WRITTEN in parables!

tctrills:
You talk as a child. Every single day, Jesus Christ watches billions of humans suffer of sickness, poverty, wars, heartbreaks, and so on.

That's why he laid down his life to end it once and for all time so that when God's Kingdom comes all those things will be gone for good!

tctrills:
You believe he would even destroy innocent babies. Baba your God is wicked. I worship a God that would punish only the evil, not babies.

He destroyed babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even when the Jews became rebellious.
So stop deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
He destroyed babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek even when the Jews became rebellious.
So stop deceiving yourself!

Everyone dies including babies and everyone resurrects including babies.

MaxInDHouse:
That's why he laid down his life to end it once and for all time so that when God's Kingdom comes all those things will be gone for good!

So the notion that Christ has no bone to bear suffering is another false JW teaching.