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[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122461308]Illustration!


Death is the opposite of life so there's nothing happening to anyone who has died. That's why the Bible calls the ultimate judgment "Second Death" {Revelations 20:14} no literal teeth gnashes there!
The bible tells that the second death would be the eternal torment of the wicked Revelations 20.10. please be reading your bible.

WRITTEN in parables! [/quote]Oga proof it was a parable. It was never stated that it was a parable. The bible always informs when it is a parable. Please start reading to learn these things.

Walahi talahi the clown that started this really set a trap for his atheists friends and religious people who are misinformed!

Imagine atheists who already asserted that the Bible God is a monster for destroying babies in the past now coming up to argue over what they had said in the past!

Are these atheists now confused that the same God they called a monster for killing babies should change His mind or ready to know why He destroyed babies in the past?

What about misinformed religionists?

Most of them are claiming they worship the God of Abraham yet they can't understand why this God had to destroy babies in Noah's days, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jericho, Amalek and even the Israelites babies.
In fact God's only begotten Son Jesus Christ even confirmed that his father will still repeat what he did to babies in Noah's days {Luke 17:26-27} Jesus specifically mentioned that babies will also be destroyed! Luke 21:23

I can imagine rebellious people outside Noah's ark lifting their babies up perhaps God will have mercy on their babies and spare the little ones after all they never had the opportunity to listen and act on what Noah preached to their evil parents but instead the flood destroyed them along with those babies! Luke 17:27

So if someone now open our eyes regarding God's viewpoint of babies that they're enemies of God until they learn how to become His friends just as Noah's daughters in law became God's friends through the faith of their father in law (Noah)

Shouldn't everyone rejoice over this eye opener instead of accusing the one who spoke these things to help us?

Let those having ears listen!

tctrills:
Everyone dies including babies and everyone resurrects including babies.

Only those outside the Ark were destroyed by God's anger and according to Jesus all those outside Noah's ark are God's enemies!

tctrills:
So the notion that Christ has no bone to bear suffering is another false JW teaching.

Diversion tactics!

tctrills:
The bible tells that the second death would be the eternal torment of the wicked Revelations 20.10. please be reading your bible.

Ọmọ that's a PARABLE!

Reading alone is not the key to the knowledge of God rather careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayer is what is required to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word! Proverbs 2:1-5

tctrills:
WRITTEN in parables!
Oga proof it was a parable. It was never stated that it was a parable. The bible always informs when it is a parable. Please start reading to learn these things.

If you're intelligent you will know that whenever anything is spoken that contradicts reality then the one speaking is either joking or speaking in parables!

In death there's no activity {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so when Jesus talk about someone doing anything while dead then his listeners know that he was speaking in parables! Matthew 13:13, 34

Some people can be really funny!

Telling a JW to be reading his Bible whereas the one talking can't even remember Bible quotations talkless of explaining them like JWs do.
So who is not reading his Bible?

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122462291]If you're intelligent you will know that whenever anything is spoken that contradicts reality then the one speaking is either joking or speaking in parables!
You obviously are not intelligent enough to know the definition of a parable. A parable does not have to contradict reality. Infact a parable mostly uses articles and real life possibilities to tell stories. That's why in the parables, Jesus does not talk of people flying or lions speaking. A parable is not a fable. You need to apply your intelligence oga

In death there's no activity {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} so when Jesus talk about someone doing anything while dead then his listeners know that he was speaking in parables! Matthew 13:13, 34 First in resurrection, their is activity also even in death, it's only the body that is inactive not the spirit 1peter 3.19-20

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ that's a PARABLE!

Reading alone is not the key to the knowledge of God rather careful reading, diligent study, thorough meditation and fervent prayer is what is required to gain ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God's word! Proverbs 2:1-5

Oga just because you want God's word to be a parable does not make it a parable.

tctrills:
First in resurrection, their is activity also even in death, it's only the body that is inactive not the spirit 1peter 3.19-20

So in a nutshell when God told Adam:

"You will positively die" Genesis 2:17

And Satan told Eve

"You will not positively die" Genesis 3:4

God was the liar while Satan is the one saying the truth shey?

Clap for yourself!

tctrills:
Oga just because you want God's word to be a parable does not make it a parable.

I don hear you!

MaxInDHouse:
Diversion tactics!

Explain.

MaxInDHouse:
Only those outside the Ark were destroyed by God's anger and according to Jesus all those outside Noah's ark are God's enemies!

Even Noah and his family got to die so what's your point. I bet Noah is no longer alive

MaxInDHouse:
I don hear you!

The JW believe that it's the innocent that would be tormented by the memory of the sinners is pure madness and it's not based in any scripture

MaxInDHouse:
So in a nutshell when God told Adam:

"You will positively die" Genesis 2:17

And Satan told Eve

"You will not positively die" Genesis 3:4

God was the liar while Satan is the one saying the truth shey?

Clap for yourself!

Oga are you not wise? Did Adam and Eve not die? How was God a liar? All God said would happen to them happened. Are you angry because God resurrected them?

tctrills:
Even Noah and his family got to die so what's your point. I bet Noah is no longer alive

That's what you've been thinking all this while shey?
No wonder you keep arguing blindly!


Well if you must know anyone destroyed by God received eternal judgment directly but all those dying due to Adamic sin are SLEEPING in death {John 11:11-14 compare to 1Corinthians 15:6} so they are the ones to be awaken from their long time sleep! John 5:28-29; 11:25


But as for all those God Himself destroyed in His anger as wicked people they will never ever be awaken! Psalms 9:17

Now you know!

tctrills:
The JW believe that it's the innocent that would be tormented by the memory of the sinners is pure madness and it's not based in any scripture

Parables!
Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} so when Jesus said those who end up in the second death will be tormented day and night forever it's a parable meaning people will always remember their stories just as we are remembering Sodom and Gomorrah as if the cities are still burning.
That's why Jesus said the smoke will continue going up forever {Revelations 19:3} because we will continue to remember what false religions caused on this planet forever!

Parables!
Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Romans 6:23} First, how can you tell this is not a parable?
I see you added the word ultimate to the bible. Oga you are funny..

so when Jesus said those who end up in the second death will be tormented day and night forever it's a parable meaning people will always remember their stories just as we are remembering Sodom and Gomorrah as if the cities are still burning.
Its not a parable. You need it desperately to be a parable I understand. Jesus Christ never said it was a parable.

MaxInDHouse:
That's what you've been thinking all this while shey?
No wonder you keep arguing blindly!


Well if you must know anyone destroyed by God received eternal judgment directly but all those dying due to Adamic sin are SLEEPING in death {John 11:11-14 compare to 1Corinthians 15:6} so they are the ones to be awaken from their long time sleep! John 5:28-29; 11:25


But as for all those God Himself destroyed in His anger as wicked people they will never ever be awaken! Psalms 9:17

Now you know!

So if a JW dies in a natural disaster, he has received eternal Judgment?
Or is it not God that controls the elements and nature?

tctrills:
First, how can you tell this is not a parable?
I see you added the word ultimate to the bible. Oga you are funny..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you lack intelligence!

Who is the foremost sinner whose sin brought pain and untold suffering on all mankind?
Adam! Romans 5:12
So how can Adam's punishment be lesser than any of those infected by his disobedience?
That's how ULTIMATE comes in! Romans 6:23
No additional punishment could be justified if Adam the first sinner only paid death for his sin! Romans 6:7

tctrills:
Its not a parable. You need it desperately to be a parable I understand. Jesus Christ never said it was a parable.

Before his coming it has been written that he will speak in parables {Psalms 78:2 compare to Matthew 13:35} so if you're taking his words literally i pity your life! Mark 9:47

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122463855]Hmmmmmmmmmmmm you lack intelligence!

Who is the foremost sinner whose sin brought pain and untold suffering on all mankind?
Adam! Romans 5:12
So how can Adam's punishment be lesser than any of those infected by his disobedience?
That's how ULTIMATE comes in! Romans 6:23
No additional punishment could be justified if Adam the first sinner only paid death for his sin! Romans 6:7
Funny guy. Who are you to decide who gets more or less punishment. Again Adam died as God pronounced so why do you have issues with Jesus Christ teaching that all would be resurrected?


Before his coming it has been written that he will speak in parables {Psalms 78:2 compare to Matthew 13:35} so if you're taking his words literally i pity your life! Mark 9:47 if you believe that all Christ said was a parable then you are a joker.
Whenever he had a parable, the bible informed us.
Oga all the words of Christ are not parables.

tctrills:
So if a JW dies in a natural disaster, he has received eternal Judgment? Or is it not God that controls the elements and nature?

Chai see reasoning o!

Ọmọ you need urgent study not just reading thinking you can figure out things on your own!

Who is in charge of this system of things? 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19
Who took Jesus to a high place within seconds? Matthew 4:8
Who rained fire to consume Job's farm? Job 1:16

Ọmọ angels have power over natural forces and they can use it against anyone that's why God warned Satan saying:

“Look! Everything that (Job) has is in your hand. Only do not lay your hand on the man himself!” Job 1:12

Because Satan has the power over natural forces but he can only kill the servants of God he can't stop God from waking them up in the resurrection! Matthew 10:28

tctrills:
Funny guy. Who are you to decide who gets more or less punishment. Again Adam died as God pronounced so why do you have issues with Jesus Christ teaching that all would be resurrected?

You have forgotten what Abraham said when talking to his most powerful friend:

It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

Well that's why we are rightly called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because we can speak confidently about what He can do and what He will never ever do!
Adam was a perfect human before he sinned Jesus' blood can't redeem a perfect person but the imperfect ones {Matthew 9:13} so his ability to save only applies to those born sinners not perfect humans who chose to die.
For your information on the matter of redemption Adam and Jesus are equal {1Corinthians 15:45} so Jesus can't save Adam!

tctrills:
if believe that all Christ said was a parable then you are a joker.Whenever he had a parable, the bible informed us.Oga all the words of Christ are not parables.

Anything he said that's not in harmony with what God's Holy Spirit inspired the prophets to pen down {2Timithy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21} is a parable.
He forewarned his listeners that he has not come to contradict the inspired expressions of the prophets! Matthew 5:17

MaxInDHouse:
You have forgotten what Abraham said when talking to his most powerful friend:

It is unthinkable that you would act in this manner by putting the righteous man to death with the wicked one so that the outcome for the righteous man and the wicked is the same! It is unthinkable of you. Will the Judge of all the earth not do what is right?” Genesis 18:25

Well that's why we are rightly called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because we can speak confidently about what He can do and what He will never ever do!
Adam was a perfect human before he sinned Jesus' blood can't redeem a perfect person but the imperfect ones {Matthew 9:13} so his ability to save only applies to those born sinners not perfect humans who chose to die.
For your information on the matter of redemption Adam and Jesus are equal {1Corinthians 15:45} so Jesus can't save Adam!



Anything he said that's not in harmony with what God's Holy Spirit inspired the prophets to pen down {2Timithy 3:16; 2Peter 1:21} is a parable.
He forewarned his listeners that he has not come to contradict the inspired expressions of the prophets! Matthew 5:17

Your bible never called Adam perfect. This is another JW guesswork. And your bible never said Christ can't redeem Adam, another guesswork

Secondly, Jesus Christ never said anything that is not in harmony with God's word. All his parables are in harmony with God's word. Is it the parable of the sower or the talent, all are in harmony with the word of God.
You are right, his parable do not contradict the word of God.
He never contradicted the word of God in Parables or in plain speech.

tctrills:
Your bible never called Adam perfect. This is another JW guesswork. And your bible never said Christ can't redeem Adam, another guesswork

Now you know why the Bible equates Adam to Jesus {1Corinthians 15:45} for your information it simply means both are perfect humans. As both of them are God's Sons {Luke 3:38; John 3:16} any of them could bear children and their children will automatically become God's children.
Adam became father to children but they're all born in sin while Jesus also became father to children through their faith in him so unlike Adam who is now dead Jesus will last forever as the father of all those living by faith! Isaiah 9:6
That's why Paul under inspiration omitted the first three humans who lived before Abel.
Adam, Eve and Cain are excluded in God's memory book for resurrection! Hebrews 11:4

tctrills:
Secondly, Jesus Christ never said anything that is not in harmony with God's word. All his parables are in harmony with God's word. Is it the parable of the sower or the talent, all are in harmony with the word of God. You are right, his parable do not contradict the word of God. He never contradicted the word of God in Parables or in plain speech.

Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Genesis 2:16 ; Romans 6:7, 23} so anything after the death of a sinner means parables!

Lots of sacred secrets are been revealed on this thread so now many people thinking babies are angels now know that they're God's enemies not until they're taught God's laws to live in harmony with it that they can become God's friends! Deuteronomy 6:6-7

Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so at death man's sin has been fully paid! Romans 6:7

Not all the dead will be resurrected!
Only those in God's memory book will be remembered {Job 14:13-14} billions who don't know anything about the true God will also be called back to life due to their God's given conscience which works in them like a compass {Romans 2:14-15} but as for those who deliberately chose to be evil they will never be resurrected rather they will be completely forgotten in their graves! Psalms 9:17

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122465178]Now you know why the Bible equates Adam to Jesus {1Corinthians 15:45} for your information it simply means both are perfect humans.
The guesswork people
As both of them are God's Sons {Luke 3:38; John 3:16} any of them could bear children and their children will automatically become God's children. Solomon is also a son of God so you have no point. 1 Chronicles 22.10

That's why Paul under inspiration omitted the first three humans who lived before Abel.
Adam, Eve and Cain are excluded in God's memory book for resurrection! Hebrews 11:4 This is a most stupid argument. There are millions of good people whose names were not mentioned in Hebrew 11 for example, Job was not mentioned.



Death is the ultimate wage for sin {Genesis 2:16 ; Romans 6:7, 23} so anything after the death of a sinner means parables!
Oga the word Ultimate is not written in the Christian bible. JW added this. remember the curse for adding to the bible? It seems you are trying to manipulate the written word of God. You don't even mind forgery just to make a sad point. You guys are just like the average criminal Nigerian political. You are prepared to forge your own bible just for argument's sake. It is sick

LordReed:
■ You say your god allowed it for his own purpose then its a deliberate use of deception.
■ If I allow my child to tell a stranger I am not home when in fact I am then I used deception, its that simple.

1. I don't recall saying it is for His purpose. He allows so much but that don't mean it is for His purpose now, does it?

2. Well, that analogy does not work in this case if your child is aware of the lie---"errors and contradictions". Being prone to something isn't the same as doing it intentionally. And allowing one who is prone to someone freedom of expressing themselves does not place responsibility for that person's acts on my person.

Kobojunkie:
1. I don't recall saying it is for His purpose. He allows so much but that don't mean it is for His purpose now, does it?

2. Well, that analogy does not work in this case if your child is aware of the lie---"errors and contradictions". Being prone to something isn't the same as doing it intentionally. And allowing one who is prone to someone freedom of expressing themselves does not place responsibility for that person's acts on my person.

Who benefits from the deception?

Why would I watch my child tell a lie and not correct them? Why would I allow my child to continue in errors and misconceptions?

LordReed:
■Who benefits from the deception?
■ Why would I watch my child tell a lie and not correct them? Why would I allow my child to continue in errors and misconceptions?

1. Men.

2. Really, you'll go around policing that child, depriving it of the very freedom of existence you as a parent wish it could have?

Kobojunkie:
1. Men.

2. Really, you'll go around policing that child, depriving it of the very freedom of existence you as a parent wish it could have?

Really? Men benefit from being deceived?

Is it appropriate to allow my child to lie and continue in error and misconception? You mean if you are a parent you let your child lie and continue in error and misconception?