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Janosky:
Psalm 58:3, will the children there enter the kingdom of God?

What of Matthew 24:38-39, did the children enter the kingdom of God?

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
This says nothing about who would enter the kingdom of God. Jesus Christ already tells us that the kingdom of God belongs to little children so yes the children will enter the kingdom of God.
This verse should convince you
Matthew 18:14
In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Janosky:
Oga continue DECEIVING YOURSELF .
If you get liver screenshot Acts 24:10-14 & SHAME YOURSELF

Ozuo.

you already posted the verse. I have read too. You are the ignorant one here. The only thing paul was accused of is causing sedition among the jews. In verse 12 and 13 he confirmed this by telling them he didnt cause any trouble among any ppl. In verse 14 paul admitted or confessed that he truly belonged to a seth. When you found out that what ppl accused you of is true, you have to admit it or confess. To make it easier for you, paul disagreed that he caused trouble among some jews - Acts 24:11-13 BUT agreed that he truly belonged to a sect that kept all jewish laws - Acts 24:14. You are just ignorant. I will teach you and your group many secrets unknown to many in the bible

FxMasterz:
You know quiet well that He destroyed only those who didn't enter the ark. Were the animals destroyed during the floods of Noah God's enemies too?

Has God ever mentioned any animal as His friend?
Well He never did because they lived on instinct so they're not created in His image like humans and they have no part in his redemption plan. In fact after destroying those animals and everything on dry land God said in His heart:

“Never again will I curse the ground on man’s account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up; and never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done" Genesis 8:21

So they weren't part of His enemies to be destroyed but humans with all their babies will be destroyed as God's enemies if they aren't prepared to learn from past experience! Luke 17:26-27

tctrills:
Jesus was very specific here that the children would inherit his kingdom. He did not give any conditions for children. So as I always ask, do we believe you or Jesus Christ. Remember, I even quoted from your own bible.

Believe whatever suits you, God has always destroyed babies (children) along with parents who are evildoers so Jesus wasn't assuring anyone that babies will be spared during God's anger but telling us to make ourselves humble and teachable like little children because that's the QUALITY the prophets foretold will save us:

"Before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger." Zephaniah 2:2-3

When Jesus said:
“Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” John 21:5
Was he talking to babies as you're thinking or adults?
Remember most of his disciples were older than him in age.

So listen and learn Jesus wasn't talking about literal children but adults who humbled themselves and became teachable like those children!

Janosky:
Is it difficult to Screenshot his post? I'm not sure you understand the point Max has made in his comments.

I have studied him very well and discovered he is the same atheist i cut off from my mention so henceforth i won't engage him again he's worried with the points we are making that's why he left everything else and start following JWs all over the forum even though he claims to be an atheist who doesn't believe in God's word.
Ọmọ i'm ignoring him completely!

Janosky:
Oga continue DECEIVING YOURSELF .
If you get liver screenshot Acts 24:10-14 & SHAME YOURSELF
Ozuo.

This one is the funniest clown on Nairaland!

He has been arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing churchgoers but now he wants to join them to form alliance against JWs!

MaxInDHouse:
Believe whatever suits you, God has always destroyed babies (children) along with parents who are evildoers so Jesus wasn't assuring anyone that babies will be spared during God's anger but telling us to make ourselves humble and teachable like little children because that's the QUALITY the prophets foretold will save us:

"Before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the LORD’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the LORD’s wrath comes upon you. Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the LORD’s anger." Zephaniah 2:2-3

When Jesus said:
“Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you?” John 21:5
Was he talking to babies as you're thinking or adults?
Remember most of his disciples were older than him in age.

So listen and learn Jesus wasn't talking about literal children but adults who humbled themselves and became teachable like those children!

Again, you are not making an intelligent point. Both the babies of the Good and bad die so the death of a baby is no big deal.

Now here is what Christ said about little children.

Luke 18:16
But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”

Mark 9:37
Taking the child in his arms, he said to them, “Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me, and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me.”

Matthew 18:10
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

Matthew 18:14
In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

Luke 18:17
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”



Do you choose to believe Jesus Christ or believe your old American teachers.

tctrills:
Again, you are not making an intelligent point. Both the babies of the Good and bad die so the death of a baby is no big deal.

You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

Oga, did Noah's children live forever. Did they not finally die like everyone else.

I gave you loads of scriptures teaching you what Christ said about children but you some how choose to stick to your governing body.

Oga you really need to choose between the words of Christ and a body of men.

The other day, you said Christ is the word of God so I employ you to trust the word of God and not the words of men even if they are from America.

Janosky:
"For the kingdom belongs to such (meek , teachable, obedient people) as these (like these children)"

Jesus Christ used a figure of speech (simile) to help his followers/ listeners understand what it takes to enter the kingdom of God.

The disciples have to be meek, teachable, forgiving , obedient etc) as children.
Jesus Christ compared meek, teachable, forgiving & obedient people to children.
Only Jehovah's servants (Noah, Moses, Jesus for example) would have such qualities,don't you think so?

Let me further educate you on the use of simile.
Jesus Christ said be ye perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.
The word 'as' shows that there is a comparison and the quality here is perfection.
So clearly God is perfect.
The same goes when Christ says
Luke 18:17
“Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
He is simply telling you that little children will receive the kingdom of God and you need to receive it like them in other to enter it.
When you use simile, there should be two elements and you are qualifying them with a quality that one of them is known to have.
If you doubt me ask anyone who studied English language.

God's people will forever beat you people when it comes to thoughtful reasoning about the things our God is doing. Isaiah 54:17
Next time let all unbelievers know that whatever Christ's brothers say can't be disputed even though you people may not like to hear it.
Babies are God's enemies that's why He always destroy them along with their evil parents but saves only those who are obedient to His words.
My churchgoer guy has tried with all his arguments to prove Jesus' brother wrong only to end up saying those saved during God's anger later died but forgot that their names are recorded in God's word as examples for us and Jesus even referred to them as examples of FAITH while he emphatically told Israelites that their babies will be destroyed along with them if they fail to heed the warning he gave his disciples!
Thank you all and may you have PEACE!

MaxInDHouse:
Has God ever mentioned any animal as His friend?
Well He never did because they lived on instinct so they're not created in His image like humans and they have no part in his redemption plan. In fact after destroying those animals and everything on dry land God said in His heart:

“Never again will I curse the ground on man’s account, for the inclination of the heart of man is bad from his youth up; and never again will I strike down every living thing as I have done" Genesis 8:21

So they weren't part of His enemies to be destroyed but humans with all their babies will be destroyed as God's enemies if they aren't prepared to learn from past experience! Luke 17:26-27

In short, the words of your leaders are more important than the word of God. We should disregard the Words of Jesus and take your leaders' as supreme above His. Isn't it?

Mathew 19:14
Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”

Janosky:
Are you not aware that God made similar pronouncements to Noah and Adam in Genesis chapters 2 &9?
Those pronouncements are for eternity.

Also,
"My righteous one will live by reason of faith".
,Noah has been adjudged faithful to receive everlasting life. His faith justified him.
Hebrews 11:7 & Hebrews 10:38-39,2 Peter 3:13 confirmed that.

The questions are relevant.
Or are you saying that that God called animals to account for their deeds in Eden? Or at any time?


Oga, please direct your question to God Almighty the Potter.
Ask him if animals are his enemies?
Psalm 58:3 , Psalms 51:5, I Stop were the holy scriptures stop.

The point is that you're making babies enemies of God because they were also destroyed in the flood. Meanwhile, animals were also destroyed.

What I'm trying to let you know is that those whom God destroyed during the flood were those who didn't enter the ark. God instructed Noah to inform all men to enter the ark. God didn't differentiate between His friends and His enemies while giving that instruction. The call into the ark was for all men. Those who entered the ark were not necessarily God's friends. They were saved only because they entered the ark. The aftermath of the flood would tell you how Noah became extremely drunk and how his son Ham reduced him to an object of mockery. Were all those who entered the ark really God's friends?

Jesus already said in Mathew 19:14 that all little children belong to the Kingdom of God. Is your word or the word of your leader to be taken as supreme above the Words of Christ?

FxMasterz:
The point is that you're making babies enemies of God because they were also destroyed in the flood. Meanwhile, animals were also destroyed.

What I'm trying to let you know is that those whom God destroyed during the flood were those who didn't enter the ark. God instructed Noah to inform all men to enter the ark. God didn't differentiate between His friends and His enemies while giving that instruction. The call into the ark was for all men. Those who entered the ark were not necessarily God's friends. They were saved only because they entered the ark. The aftermath of the flood would tell you how Noah became extremely drunk and how his son Ham reduced him to an object of mockery. Were all those who entered the ark really God's friends?

Jesus already said in Mathew 19:14 that all little children belong to the Kingdom of God. Is your word or the word of your leader to be taken as supreme above the Words of Christ?

At the bolded, in JW, The words of Their Freemason Governing body is Law and supercedes the words of God and Jesus. You should have noticed it by now. In JW, you are threatened with Fear and Manipulation when you do not accept the words of their Freemason Governing body else you will be called an Apostate, you are not allowed to question or correct their leaders, even if what they say is the direct opposite to what Jesus and God say. You have asked them the bolded. Watch them twist and turn and use English to try to manipulate you. They won't give you a straight forward answer showing that They disregard the words of Jesus and God. Look at the example of their Teaching of Jesus being Mediator for only the 144,000. They know that is not a Biblical Teaching but because they don't want to be called Apostates, they will agree with such demonic teaching.

Are you not aware that Their Governing body have replaced Jesus? In their Bible, they added the phrase Substitutes for Christ which you will never find in any other Bible Translation. They now teach that the life giving power that Jesus possesses which is why Jesus is the only one who will resurrect the dead, They teach that their Anointed which includes the Governing body will have the same power to resurrect the dead. They also teach that the Governing body is the Voice of Jesus because submitting to them means Submitting to Christ. Therefore Governing body = Christ. They also teach that since Jesus isn't their mediator, by being close and obedient to the 144,000, they will get Salvation. They don't direct the means of Salvation to Christ only as a Christian should. The means to get Life is through their Anointed which includes their Governing body. I am mentioning these examples of their doctrines to let you know that their Organisation has replaced Jesus. Mad Max has once claimed that Jesus lied to Thomas when he said he should touch him, his hands with the nail marks to feel him and convince him that he is in physical form and not in Spirit form when he appeared to him. What Does that tell you? JWs will rather accept errors upon errors instead of accepting the words of Jesus and God. That's how dangerous their Brainwashing is. The JW Cult is a big example of people talked about in the Bible where it says people will no longer listen to sound teachings but will rather listen to doctrines from demons. The JWs love their ears to be tickled and love to be told what they want to hear. They have been programmed that way by Watchtower. The Brainwashing is designed such that you will be programmed psychologically to listen to Only the Governing body by equating themselves to God and Jesus, A Perfect description of an Antichrist.

Courz:
At the bolded, in JW, The words of Their Freemason Governing body is Law and supercedes the words of God and Jesus. You should have noticed it by now. In JW, you are threatened with Fear and Manipulation when you do not accept the words of their Freemason Governing body else you will be called an Apostate, you are not allowed to question or correct their leaders, even if what they say is the direct opposite to what Jesus and God say. You have asked them the bolded. Watch them twist and turn and use English to try to manipulate you. They won't give you a straight forward answer showing that They disregard the words of Jesus and God. Look at the example of their Teaching of Jesus being Mediator for only the 144,000. They know that is not a Biblical Teaching but because they don't want to be called Apostates, they will agree with such demonic teaching.

Are you not aware that Their Governing body have replaced Jesus? In their Bible, they added the phrase Substitutes for Christ which you will never find in any other Bible Translation. They now teach that the life giving power that Jesus possesses which is why Jesus is the only one who will resurrect the dead, They teach that their Anointed which includes the Governing body will have the same power to resurrect the dead. They also teach that the Governing body is the Voice of Jesus because submitting to them means Submitting to Christ. Therefore Governing body = Christ. They also teach that since Jesus isn't their mediator, by being close and obedient to the 144,000, they will get Salvation. They don't direct the means of Salvation to Christ only as a Christian should. The means to get Life is through their Anointed which includes their Governing body. I am mentioning these examples of their doctrines to let you know that their Organisation has replaced Jesus. Mad Max has once claimed that Jesus lied to Thomas when he said he should touch him, his hands with the nail marks to feel him and convince him that he is in physical form and not in Spirit form when he appeared to him. What Does that tell you? JWs will rather accept errors upon errors instead of accepting the words of Jesus and God. That's how dangerous their Brainwashing is. The JW Cult is a big example of people talked about in the Bible where it says people will no longer listen to sound teachings but will rather listen to doctrines from demons. The JWs love their ears to be tickled and love to be told what they want to hear. They have been programmed that way by Watchtower. The Brainwashing is designed such that you will be programmed psychologically to listen to Only the Governing body by equating themselves to God and Jesus, A Perfect description of an Antichrist.

This is really disturbing. How then could they confidently call themselves the followers of Christ?

FxMasterz:
This is really disturbing. How then could they confidently call themselves the followers of Christ?

Ask them. They will claim they follow Christ. Followers of Christ by Mouth only. But their doctrines show the opposite. In case you are not aware, Their Cult does what we call Double Speak,that is, Make two contradicting statements at the same time. If you have conversed with the JWs in this forum, you will notice it in the way they speak. An example of of Double Speak is : JWs will tell you they don't have Leaders. They only have people taking the Lead. Whereas, the Governing body, Elders, Circuit Overseers and some other Watchtower Officials are their Leaders. They have leaders that they are required to Obey even if what they say makes no sense.

Guy, JWs are under serious Spiritual Manipulation. There is a dark cloud covering them, covering their eyes so that they can not read the Bible without the Lens of Watchtower. It is Spiritual because Watchtower dabbles in Spiritism to get their doctrines and keep JWs perpetually blind.

MaxInDHouse:
You just want to argue blindly!

Noah's children were saved in the Ark because their father acted with faith and they were with him, Lot's children were saved for the same reason, Israelite's firstborn were saved in Egypt for the same reason.
So there's no need arguing with you because you have gotten the point.
Just know that anyday anytime and anywhere you find JWs we know our own God and we can tell you all you need to learn about Him if you humbly make yourself teachable like little children and you can escape His impending burning anger if you're willing to be saved!

Farewell!

John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies.
Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb?
Sometimes you need to question your church leaders. Don't just swallow the poison they feed you with.

tctrills:
John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies. Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb? Sometimes you need to question your church leaders. Don't just swallow the poison they feed you with.

My guy, go and relax there's no need arguing blindly over what is clear to you.
If you have any question feel free to ask just as you've been doing and after you've gotten the answer from us just take it as our own belief it can never ever be the same as yours that's why we are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

tctrills:
John the Baptist, Jacob, Samuel, and Jeremiah were all chosen and called by God right from the womb. How come God called his unrepentant enemies.
Or did they also repent and accept God in the womb?.

All humans are God's enemies due to Adamic sin but God used His power to look into the attributes of this sinful fetus to know whether they will be faithful or not.
My own father was a stanch politician and right from the day i was born his political colleague in their cult came with their Oracle and out of all his children i was the one chosen by their Oracle as the only child who will be strong when it comes to loyalty.

So just as the true God cherishes loyalty Satan also cherish loyalty they both know from childhood which child will be truly loyal.

That's what God saw right from when these ones are still fetus in their mother's womb but yet they're all sinners! Romans 3:23; Psalms 51:5

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=122594658]All humans are God's enemies due to Adamic sin but God used His power to look into the attributes of this sinful fetus to know whether they will be faithful or not. loool
If this the the case, then there is no need to allow the evil ones to be born. Then man's entire existence becomes a joke.
So according to JW, God chooses the good people from the womb.. very funny.
Then why do you guys still go out to preach since the faithful fetus are chosen in the womb. Did you read your answer before posting?

MaxInDHouse:
My guy, go and relax there's no need arguing blindly over what is clear to you.
If you have any question feel free to ask just as you've been doing and after you've gotten the answer from us just take it as our own belief it can never ever be the same as yours that's why we are called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

I feel you are begging me not to question your answers with bible truths.
My answer is sorry but No

tctrills:
If this the the case, then there is no need to allow the evil ones to be born. Then man's entire existence becomes a joke.
So according to JW, God chooses the good people from the womb.. very funny.
Then why do you guys still go out to preach since the faithful fetus are chosen in the womb. Did you read your answer before posting?

Guy you often run to a wrong conclusion out of anxiety!

Do you think God is doing the same to all kinds of people?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. His program regarding the redemption plan is based on the descendants of Jacob.

That's why He calls Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because his plan is based on that nation and children born among them that's why He insisted they TEACH all their children His laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so they can start building faith in those who may not have it from childhood! 2Timothy 3:15

tctrills:
I feel you are begging me not to question your answers with bible truths.
My answer is sorry but No

You're not questioning but arguing!

There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. Go and question other religions out there if they will respond the way i've been doing since!

I am not trying to hold brief for Jwits, but I think its extremely hypocritical to criticise their view on this as a Christian. before I became a gnostic this is the teaching of all Christian denominations. the reason why catholics do infant baptism and other denominations do is to rid you off Original Sin(sin of adam) the catholics believ if a baby dies before baptism, he/she cannot enter heaven- they go to purgatory. Now other Christians do not believe in purgatory so I ask if the baby of a Christian dies before baptism what happens to the child. I am expecting answers from everyone that is a practising Christian including Maxindhouse, kobojunkie, etc.
thanks

Courz:
Ask them. They will claim they follow Christ. Followers of Christ by Mouth only. But their doctrines show the opposite. In case you are not aware, Their Cult does what we call Double Speak,that is, Make two contradicting statements at the same time. If you have conversed with the JWs in this forum, you will notice it in the way they speak. An example of of Double Speak is : JWs will tell you they don't have Leaders. They only have people taking the Lead. Whereas, the Governing body, Elders, Circuit Overseers and some other Watchtower Officials are their Leaders. They have leaders that they are required to Obey even if what they say makes no sense.

Guy, JWs are under serious Spiritual Manipulation. There is a dark cloud covering them, covering their eyes so that they can not read the Bible without the Lens of Watchtower. It is Spiritual because Watchtower dabbles in Spiritism to get their doctrines and keep JWs perpetually blind.

so what happens to a child or baby that dies before being baptised. where does he go to? heaven or hell?

43Ronin:
■I am not trying to hold brief for Jwits, but I think its extremely hypocritical to criticise their view on this as a Christian. before I became a gnostic this is the teaching of all Christian denominations. the reason why catholics do infant baptism and other denominations do is to rid you off Original Sin(sin of adam) the catholics believ if a baby dies before baptism, he/she cannot enter heaven- they go to purgatory.
■ Now other Christians do not believe in purgatory so I ask if the baby of a Christian dies before baptism what happens to the child. I am expecting answers from everyone that is a practising Christian including

1. First of all, I am not of the religion of Christianity. I am instead a follower of Jesus Christ, God's Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God meaning that rather than submit and obey the doctrines and postulates of men, I obey only God's Law, Jesus Christ.

According to God, God's enemies are those who even while under Law with Him refuse to obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 15 vs 14 & Deuteronomy 5 vs 9.

2. Any and everyone who lives outside of the bounds of God's Law simply ceases to exist after death- Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 - babies included.

Courz:
Ask them. They will claim they follow Christ. Followers of Christ by Mouth only. But their doctrines show the opposite. In case you are not aware, Their Cult does what we call Double Speak,that is, Make two contradicting statements at the same time. If you have conversed with the JWs in this forum, you will notice it in the way they speak. An example of of Double Speak is : JWs will tell you they don't have Leaders. They only have people taking the Lead. Whereas, the Governing body, Elders, Circuit Overseers and some other Watchtower Officials are their Leaders. They have leaders that they are required to Obey even if what they say makes no sense.

Guy, JWs are under serious Spiritual Manipulation. There is a dark cloud covering them, covering their eyes so that they can not read the Bible without the Lens of Watchtower. It is Spiritual because Watchtower dabbles in Spiritism to get their doctrines and keep JWs perpetually blind.

This is really deep. You've really exposed them.

43Ronin:
so what happens to a child or baby that dies before being baptised. where does he go to? heaven or hell?

Help me ask them. According to them in this thread, as long as that child or Baby didn't get baptised to be a JW, That Baby or child will be destroyed at Armaggedon.

For me, such a decision is left for Jesus to judge. Knowing Jesus for who he is as the Best Judge, he will never hold a Baby accountable for sins he or she never committed.

FxMasterz:
This is really deep. You've really exposed them.

Well, JW is a very secretive religion and they select doctrines to preach. The rest of the unpalatable doctrines will be revealed to you after you get baptised. So, a lot of people are not aware of how it works in that Cult. People are only able to see what JWs present to them.

MaxInDHouse:
You're not questioning but arguing!

There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines. Go and question other religions out there if they will respond the way i've been doing since!

Its ok if you don't have the answers but if you conflict the scriptures I would point it out

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you often run to a wrong conclusion out of anxiety!

Do you think God is doing the same to all kinds of people?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaa. His program regarding the redemption plan is based on the descendants of Jacob.

That's why He calls Himself the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because his plan is based on that nation and children born among them that's why He insisted they TEACH all their children His laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} so they can start building faith in those who may not have it from childhood! 2Timothy 3:15

You are wrong again.
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

43Ronin:
so what happens to a child or baby that dies before being baptised. where does he go to? heaven or hell?

John the baptist was the first prophet who initiated baptism as a symbol of heartfelt dedication by the one getting baptized to the God of Israel, John never baptize babies!
Jesus also commanded his disciples to baptize new converts not babies.
WHY?
Because all humans are God's enemies not until they learn about the righteousness of God, repent and dedicate their lives to God that is the only way to reconciliation between a sinful human and the true God.
Israelites were commanded to dedicate their babies to God with the anticipation of teaching their children God's laws.
So whatever makes an Israelite fail to teach his or her child God's laws {Deuteronomy 6:6-7} the child will perish as a sinner {Deuteronomy 9:13-14} but his blood will be on the head of his or her parents who failed to teach the child the righteousness of God! Ezekiel 3:17-19

Regarding heaven or hell that's another topic entirely because the dead don't go anywhere at death man has fully paid for his sin! Romans 6:7

Thanks may you have PEACE!