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TheSuperNerd:
Nope He didn't. Lillian Thuram and Marcel Desailly did. But definitely not Petit.

I understand and have carefully followed the argument of TheGoodJoe vs Everyone on KDB vs Zidane but I implore you Sir Joe, not to disregard Zidane in any form just because you prefer Kevin de brains.

And same to everyone. Don't disrespect the talents of KDB in this era all in a bid to emphasize the genius that Zidane was.


TheGoodJoe, you must understand something. Zidane and KDB are two distinct interpretations of the CAM role.

KDB is more of an elite chances creator but Zidane was the classical controller/Game Conductor. This is why their stats defer.

KDB is a midfielder who is also an accomplished goal scorer in his role but Zidane was a super playmaker of the first class order.

TheSuperNerd:
Ladies and Gentlemen, Pep Guardiola finished this first leg tie without making a single substitution.

The Semis of the UCL oooo. This man is a mad tactician. A brave strategist of the first class order. 🔥🔥😂😂

TheGoodJoe:

Guardiola weaks me sometimes but I can't argue because he knows more than me by far.

Papi85:
in general who is a better player between iniesta and de bruyne

Papi85:
hahahahahahahahahahahaha

TheSuperNerd:
Nope He didn't. Lillian Thuram and Marcel Desailly did. But definitely not Petit.

I understand and have carefully followed the argument of TheGoodJoe vs Everyone on KDB vs Zidane but I implore you Sir Joe, not to disregard Zidane in any form just because you prefer Kevin de brains.

And same to everyone. Don't disrespect the talents of KDB in this era all in a bid to emphasize the genius that Zidane was.


TheGoodJoe, you must understand something. Zidane and KDB are two distinct interpretations of the CAM role.

KDB is more of an elite chances creator but Zidane was the classical controller/Game Conductor. This is why their stats defer.

KDB is a midfielder who is also an accomplished goal scorer in his role but Zidane was a super playmaker of the first class order.

TheGoodJoe:

Why? Petit was so good in that finals that even John Fashanu picked him out for the role he was playing for France in that game.

Without those headers, I doubt Zidane would have been rated over Petit.

Papi85:
that Belgian team na disgrace 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

chrisooblog:
Are you sure you really followed that tournament?

Zidane was red carded against Saudi Arabia the second game in which he scored. He missed the game against Denmark and Paraguay in the second round. Yes 1998 wasn't his best tournament but he stood up to be counted for his country when they needed him the most. Same for Euro 2000 and the 2006 World Cup. I can say without any fear of contradiction if Zidane was on the pitch for the penalty shootout in the final against Italy they would definitely have won.

TheGoodJoe:

Guardiola weaks me sometimes but I can't argue because he knows more than me by far.

mostob:
When you're watching Zidane, you're watching Benardo Silva, Gundogan and KDB rolled into one.

KDB's popularity has a lot to do with Pep's brilliance than his own personal quality sef.

Odunayaw:
Whether he admits or not, if KDB retires today he'd be remembered as just another good midfielder that passed through the game

He can spill all the blue ink he wants

chuks404:
what do you even mean by effectiveness? Generally zizzou, modric, iniesta rank higher than kdb. No make me add yaya self.

TheGoodJoe:

It takes a team effort to win a world cup. We are judging individual careers. If you compare Zidane and De Bruyne individually, you will see that de Bruyne is more effective.

TheSuperNerd:
Eduardo Camavinga. That's the post.

Class Act in that first half, heavily involved in Vinicius' Goal.

Ran the length of the pitch while under press from back to front, interchanging passes with Modric midway through his run in midfield.

A left footed midfielder delivering a classic inverted LB role superbly and not just in his defensive half but in the offensive as well. Brilliant.

typicalgamer:
Why didn’t peps brilliance turn kimmich or goretska into KDB version 2.0

Spewing trash if he wasn’t gifted there’s nothing pep would have done to make him world class .

Ihenacho played under pep why didn’t pep brilliance turned him into aguero 2.0

Papi85:
I will pick yaya any day any time ahead of de bruyne

TheGoodJoe:

Let me refresh you on the genesis of this debate.

I was asked who was better, Zidane or De Bruyne.

My reply was, They play different things and can't be compared.

So, I already understand they interpret the creative midfield role differently.

I was later asked to make a choice and pick who was better. I must pick one, neglecting the distinction in their plays.

I picked De Bruyne, due to his effectiveness.

They interpret the game differently but we can't deny how effective De Bruyne's approach over the years is.

His a master of finding areas of the pitch and shape of opposition to cause damage.

His work rate to keep the opposing team uncomfortable and the way he scans the pitch to find places in lethal positions is top notch.

This does not take away how unbelievable Zidane was. He was a genius with respect to his time. Ancelotti said coaching Zidane improved him (Ancelotti) as a coach.

I know Zidane's brilliance is on an insane level.

However, De Bruyne's interpretation is more clinical.

As Icon4s puts it, put the greats in the modern game today and see them at pro-max level. I agree. Imagine Zidane working under Guardiola as a player. Bananas.

Unfortunately, KDB is lucky to work with him and he has created a clinical interpretation of the Creative midfield play.

Finito.

TheGoodJoe:

Iheanacho did not stay long enough with Pep. I honestly believe Pep would have molded him into something special if he agreed to stay.

TheSuperNerd:
To be honest, the whole French team got praise. But looking specifically at who was truly influential for France at that WC, Zidane deserves his spot over Petit but not over Desailly and Thuram.

Zidane wasn't all about those two Headers in the final vs Brazil.

In the game vs SA, he provided the assist from a corner for Dugarry's opener.

Against Saudi Arabia, Zidane executed a turn so immaculate to escape the close press of Saudi opposition and flicked a pass out to Bixente Lizarazu who went on to tee up Thierry Henry's Opener.

View it here...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdHAIgeRXoE

Zidane definitely had a better France 98 than Petit. That's the point.

ChrisKels:
Madrid wey Chukwueze dey take drink water, na dem Haaland jam come turn to Benteke.😂🤣

typicalgamer:
Bro ihenacho is an average player with sparks of brilliance nothing more.

TheGoodJoe:

But was red carded and missed a large chunk of the world cup triumph. Such a player can't be crowned best player of the team.

Unfortunately, we don't have Petit and Djorkaeff's tapes. If we did, you will understand how impactful these guys were and they played most of the tournament. Same with Lizarazu.

typicalgamer:
I’m scared for ferland mendy honestly dude won’t make team at this rate

ChrisKels:
Madrid wey Chukwueze dey take drink water, na dem Haaland jam come turn to Benteke.😂🤣

TheGoodJoe:

Working with Guardiola would have seen him carve a niche on the attacking line to become more efficient. A more tactically sound Nacho would have been a deadlier Nacho.

TheSuperNerd:
Football is fast moving from natural fullbacks to intelligent and tactically sound inverted fullbacks. Fullbacks who can contribute to middle game plays.

Elite teams are using such profiles often now so yes, Ferland's natural fullbacks profile is at risk at elite clubs unless they can adapt tactically.