₦airaland Forum

Godjone:
Clearly, it will be difficult for that useless Mahmud Yakubu to defend his sham of an election. The elections should not only be nullified, the INEC chairman should be prosecuted and jailed. Obi will get his mandate back

Why should the election be nullified?

seunmsg:
Believe whatever makes you happy. The court has made it clear that BVAS is the primary source of evidence for election data. In as much as the declared result is inline with what was uploaded, arguments such as results were not uploaded from polling units holds no water. It is dead on arrival already. If the result on BVAS is not substantially different from what was declared by INEC, it stands. Period!

Yes and I think this has already settled the issue of " electronic transmission of results .

engineerboat:
Listen again

BVAS is the primary source of data (Accrediatation and Election uploading)

Form EC8A data must correlate with what s on BVAS and what is on IREV

So your argument is once result declared corresponds with BVAS accrediation, now I get You but you fail to realise that every party agent have copies of signed form EC8A

My point is very clear except you want to keep pretending that you don’t understand. Not uploading results immediately from polling units cannot be a ground for annulling any result in as much as what were eventually uploaded is not significantly different from what is on BVAS and declared by INEC.

Again, please note that SUBSTANTIAL is the key word when weighing irregularities and non compliance with INEC guidelines. Over voting was validly proved in Osun election but Supreme Court agreed with INEC and PDP that the over voting that occurred in some polling units were not substantial enough to alter the outcome of the election.

So, three things have been settled today. 1, not uploading results immediately from polling units is not relevant in as much as what was eventually uploaded is not different from what is on BVAS, the primary source of election data. 2, if there are conflict between results generated on IREV and results on BVAS, the result on BVAS takes precedence since it’s the primary source of election data. 3, even if irregularities were proved, it still won’t matter except they are substantial enough to affect the final result.

seunmsg:
My point is very clear except you want to keep playing that you don’t understand. Not uploading result immediately from polling unit cannot be a ground for annulling any result in as much as what was eventually uploaded is not significantly different from what is on BVAS and declared by INEC.

Again, please not that SUBSTANTIAL is the key word here when weighing irregularities and non compliance. Over voting was validly proved in Osun election but Supreme Court agreed with INEC and PDP that the over voting that occurred in some polling units was not substantial enough to alter the outcome of the election.

So, three things have been settled today. 1, not uploading results immediately from polling units is not relevant in as much as what was eventually uploaded is not different from what is on BVAS, the primary source of election data. 2, if there are conflict between results generated on IREV and results on BVAS, the result on BVAS takes precedence since it’s the primary source of election data. 3, even if irregularities were proved, it still won’t matter except they are substantial enough to affect the final result.

O o ma para e!

lhordspy:
According to your main point, this:
"First, and the most important takeaway, is that the apex court has established it as a precedent that the BVAS is the primary source of data for the election. What this means is that every vote scored or announced by INEC must tally with the accreditation data as captured by the BVAS."

I have come to the conclusion that it is either you are ignorant of this whole thing or you trying hard to confuse yourself rather than convince your reader.

BVAS is different from IREV. Will i have to continue screaming this everyday?

And what do you mean by "every vote scored or announced must tally with accreditation voters?"

Going by the judgement, Obi has no case. Obi used 2weeks trying to harvest data from Bvas stored in INEC server. And they came back with complains instead of concrete evidence. We know how lousy the LP are, if there was anything tangible as outcome. They would have included 'Over voting' in their petition. They would have made it the center of their wailing.

It is two different thing here. Ademola vs Adeleke case is centred on over-voting, and it is very logical that BVAS should be the main source of focus; because that is the main work of the BvAS. But Obi's petition is centred around result and other small fries that falls under deminimis rule . And it has nothing to do with BVAS.

Didn't Inec tamper with the BVAS? Why wouldn't Obi complain when INEC blackmailed the tribunal with the governorship elections

seunmsg:
My point is very clear except you want to keep pretending that you don’t understand. Not uploading results immediately from polling units cannot be a ground for annulling any result in as much as what were eventually uploaded is not significantly different from what is on BVAS and declared by INEC.

Again, please note that SUBSTANTIAL is the key word when weighing irregularities and non compliance with INEC guidelines. Over voting was validly proved in Osun election but Supreme Court agreed with INEC and PDP that the over voting that occurred in some polling units were not substantial enough to alter the outcome of the election.

So, three things have been settled today. 1, not uploading results immediately from polling units is not relevant in as much as what was eventually uploaded is not different from what is on BVAS, the primary source of election data. 2, if there are conflict between results generated on IREV and results on BVAS, the result on BVAS takes precedence since it’s the primary source of election data. 3, even if irregularities were proved, it still won’t matter except they are substantial enough to affect the final result.

in the presidential election, there are lots if discrepancies so if the Tribunal will do their Job, that's enough ground

Penguin2:
How can you say Obi never extracted data directly from the BVAS?

What then did his lawyers go to do at INEC HQ when they went to inspect materials?

You surprised me with this your comment..

Do you know what BVAS is? Do you know the meaning of extraction? How do you think it’s possible to extract from a soft ware? Don’t you know software is what’s inside BVAS? The online result on Inec portal, you think it’s BVAS transmitting them?

This is why the English is inspection. The only thing they inspected was BVAS color, plug, how they do turn on likely cuz that’s what you can inspect! All the physical parts! Abi, can you unscrew the machine?

blacknp:
Same Peter Obi that was not even eligible to contest the election?

Says who?

Says you, the Chief Justice of the Federation abi?

ejimatic:
. The SC never accepted BVAS report or IREV . It described BVAS machines as primary data that must be brought to court and BVAS report with IREV data as insignificant.
It also agreed that Voters register is necessary to prove overvoting..
In my opinion both Obi and Atiku have no cases again with the precedent set today in this judgement.
Atiku and Obi relied on IREV and BVAS reports. already jetisioned today by the SC.
Congrats to Adeleke .Osun Adara! Congrats to BAT in advance .Long live Nigeria.

As an APC apologist I would be surprised if you say something different.

Because the Supreme Court never declared IREV insignificant. No mention of IREV was made. So where did you get your submission from?

seunmsg:
And you assuming he has evidence when he has not presented anything at all to back up his claim is not presumptuous, right? Dey play.

Is it time for presentation of evidences and invitation of witnesses?

Or he should have come to show them to you as chairman of the panel of judges abi?

seunmsg:
They did not dismiss IREV, they only said BVAS is the primary source of data to prove Election Day irregularities. Irrelevant argument such as results were not uploaded on IREV from polling units holds no water in as much as what is eventually uploaded is in-line what’s on BVAS.

From Peter Obi’s petition, it’s obvious they don’t even have a substantial number of form EC8A as they don’t have agents in most polling units. They may get lucky with Rivers if what’s on IREV is the same with what’s on BVAS. But then, that’s where it ends for them. Rivers alone is not enough to change the outcome of the entire election.

Results from various states uploaded on IREV have been calculated by different interest groups including Mark Essien of the Obidient movement and they all ended up arriving at Tinubu’s victory.

Finally, to prove rigging, a candidate must produce the direct result on BVAS from over 170k polling units. I will be waiting for how any candidate will do that successfully.

Lol! So when you heard Labour Party doesn’t have complete agents for all polling units, you thought Rivers is one of those places? Stop playing.

The only places I suspect Labour found it difficult to get agents are core northern states like Yobe, Borno, Katsina, Kebbi, Kano, etc. But you see southern states, forget it, Labour agents were complete.

So, don’t worry about how Labour and Obi will produce their forms EC8A, worry for Tinubu instead.

Meanwhile, if Obi can prove irregularity in Rivers, that’s enough to vitiate the whole election and lead to annulment.

seunmsg:
My point is very clear except you want to keep pretending that you don’t understand. Not uploading results immediately from polling units cannot be a ground for annulling any result in as much as what were eventually uploaded is not significantly different from what is on BVAS and declared by INEC.

Again, please note that SUBSTANTIAL is the key word when weighing irregularities and non compliance with INEC guidelines. Over voting was validly proved in Osun election but Supreme Court agreed with INEC and PDP that the over voting that occurred in some polling units were not substantial enough to alter the outcome of the election.

So, three things have been settled today. 1, not uploading results immediately from polling units is not relevant in as much as what was eventually uploaded is not different from what is on BVAS, the primary source of election data. 2, if there are conflict between results generated on IREV and results on BVAS, the result on BVAS takes precedence since it’s the primary source of election data. 3, even if irregularities were proved, it still won’t matter except they are substantial enough to affect the final result.

This is sound.

Penguin2:
Lol! So when you heard Labour Party doesn’t have complete agents for all polling units, you thought Rivers is one of those places? Stop playing.

The only places I suspect Labour found it difficult to get agents are core northern states like Yobe, Borno, Katsina, Kebbi, Kano, etc. But you see southern states, forget it, Labour agents were complete.

So, don’t worry about how Labour and Obi will produce their forms EC8A, worry for Tinubu instead.

Meanwhile, if Obi can prove irregularity in Rivers, that’s enough to vitiate the whole election and lead to annulment.

Even Irregularity is proved in every South South state, it's not sufficient to nullify the election.

Your qualification to argue the above with me should be your LL.B. 😂

Penguin2:
Just a reminder, Obi has 3 other solid ground of petition against Tinubu before we get to the part that has to do with the BVAS.

My talking about the BVAS here is just to inform you guys that Obi’s case is getting even more stronger.

And saying that Obi came with complaints rather than concrete evidence after inspecting the BVAS is being presumptuous because trials have not started and you haven’t seen the evidences they extracted from the BVAS. And mind you, nothing stops parties from bringing more evidences as the case progresses just like nothing stops the court from ordering INEC to produce all the BVAS machines used for the election.

Lol. BVAS that were reconfigured after the presidential election?

The only thing left to harvest information from is the INEC server. Something which seems like a secondary source to INEC going by Adeleke's case. INEC wont entertain anything else except from BVAS itself.

Wawuu brother. Wawwu.

lhordspy:
According to your main point, this:
"First, and the most important takeaway, is that the apex court has established it as a precedent that the BVAS is the primary source of data for the election. What this means is that every vote scored or announced by INEC must tally with the accreditation data as captured by the BVAS."

I have come to the conclusion that it is either you are ignorant of this whole thing or you trying hard to confuse yourself rather than convince your reader.

BVAS is different from IREV. Will i have to continue screaming this everyday?

And what do you mean by "every vote scored or announced must tally with accreditation voters?"

Going by the judgement, Obi has no case. Obi used 2weeks trying to harvest data from Bvas stored in INEC server. And they came back with complains instead of concrete evidence. We know how lousy the LP are, if there was anything tangible as outcome. They would have included 'Over voting' in their petition. They would have made it the center of their wailing.

It is two different thing here. Ademola vs Adeleke case is centred on over-voting, and it is very logical that BVAS should be the main source of focus; because that is the main work of the BvAS. But Obi's petition is centred around result and other small fries that falls under deminimis rule . And it has nothing to do with BVAS.

Lost child

lhordspy:
According to your main point, this:
"First, and the most important takeaway, is that the apex court has established it as a precedent that the BVAS is the primary source of data for the election. What this means is that every vote scored or announced by INEC must tally with the accreditation data as captured by the BVAS."

I have come to the conclusion that it is either you are ignorant of this whole thing or you trying hard to confuse yourself rather than convince your reader.

BVAS is different from IREV. Will i have to continue screaming this everyday?

And what do you mean by "every vote scored or announced must tally with accreditation voters?"

Going by the judgement, Obi has no case. Obi used 2weeks trying to harvest data from Bvas stored in INEC server. And they came back with complains instead of concrete evidence. We know how lousy the LP are, if there was anything tangible as outcome. They would have included 'Over voting' in their petition. They would have made it the center of their wailing.

It is two different thing here. Ademola vs Adeleke case is centred on over-voting, and it is very logical that BVAS should be the main source of focus; because that is the main work of the BvAS. But Obi's petition is centred around result and other small fries that falls under deminimis rule . And it has nothing to do with BVAS.

Lol. Some of you will just open mouth, Waaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Is it not from BVAS you transmit result to iRev?

So how can what you have on iRev be different from what you have transmitted from BVAS which is it's primary and only source of data collection? So what do you mean by BVAS is different from IREV. Go school you say no.

fergie001:
I am not supposed to help you but let me ask, are you helping BAT or you want to sink him? Like you don't know that transmission of results from Polling Units is mandatory?

60(4) A collation officer or returning officer at an election shall collate and announce the result of an election, subject to his or her verification and confirmation that the –

(a) number of accredited voters stated on the collated result are correct and consistent with the number of accredited voters recorded and transmitted directly from polling units under section 47 (2) of this Act;

(b) the votes stated on the collated result are correct and consistent with the votes or results recorded and transmitted directly from polling units under section 60 (4) of this Act.

Direct transmission must be from ONLY Polling Units.

The two proviso that will help the BAT team is the fact that:-
1. How many results were not uploaded? Were they listed in the petitions?

2. 60(5) said if there is a dispute at the Polling Units, Sections 60(a-d), 60(5) and 60(6) will follow each other.

The arguments now should be:

1. Were there disputations at any level of the collations by PDP or LP agents?

2. If there wasn't, did the Polling Unit agents concur to the results announced at the PUs and displayed conspicuously on the walls?

3. At the Ward levels and going up, any objections in particular PUs? Were these PUs listed in the petitions?

Is it enough to enure victory to any of the Petitioners?

Agim just said it is not compulsory to transmit

OKOATA:
Lol. Some of you will just open mouth, Waaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Is it not from BVAS you transmit result to iRev?

So how can what you have on iRev be different from what you have transmitted from BVAS which is it's primary and only source of data collection? So what do you mean by BVAS is different from IREV. Go school you say no.

Do you realize that even in osun,accredited votes on bvas differed from what was on irev

garfield1:
Do you realize that even in osun,accredited votes on bvas differed from what was on irev

And you know what that means, if there are two different results then INEC/Mahmood is in for it, they will need to explain how there are two seperate results from BVAS and IREV, moreover we saw all the manipulative results and inking with pen🖊️. All will be presented at the court.

Obi has no case, he is just wasting time. Reason why Adeleke won is because of INEC and its lawyers to support Adeleke with their evid

OKOATA:
And you know what that means, if there are two different results then INEC/Mahmood is in for it, they will need to explain how there are two seperate results from BVAS and IREV, moreover we saw all the manipulative results and inking with pen🖊️. All will be presented at the court.

You still dont get it.in osun,three different results were presented yet adeleke won at the supreme court so tinubu will win too.the court said primary result is from irev which shows tinubu won.case closed

Justice Emeka Nwite of the Federal High Court Abuja on Friday held that only the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) is empowered by law to determine the mode of collating and transmitting election results.

In a judgement, Justice Nwite stated that only INEC has the prerogative to direct how the Polling Unit Presiding Officer should transfer election results, including the total number of accredited persons and results of the ballot.

Justice Nwite further held that the collating and transferring of election results manually in the 2023 general elections cannot be said to be contrary to the relevant provisions of the Electoral Act, 2022.

The judgment was on a suit filed by the Labour Party with INEC as the sole defendant.

We've covered this ground before, even though the court and the judicial realm in a suit filed by the LP and Obi himself regarding INEC's mode or method of collation which as we speak is the prerogative of INEC according to the electoral act and the decision of the judiciary.

Beats me why obi and his Pandora mod love to chase their own shadow and labor in vain..

Obi has no case, he is just wasting time. Reason why Adeleke won is because of INEC and its lawyers to support Adeleke with their evidences to prove they announced the right candidate. So, the win in Osun election is actually INEC win to prove they announce right candidate and they did their work well. In Tinubu case, INEC will be proving their facts to defend Tinubu indirectly as they did to Adeleke indirectly. Cases related to conduct of presidential election will go in favour of INEC which will benefit Tinubu just like Osun went in favour of INEC and indirectly favours Adeleke. Remaining personal charges against Tinubu are already dead on arrival.

Osun judgement that favoured Adeleke was really victory to INEC which Adeleke was only beneficiary. It has shown that that Obi will loose at court woefully because judgement will favour INEC which Tinubu will become beneficiary, his own personal case will hold no water. If obi is wise, this is the time for him to discontinue the case he can't win

OKOATA:
Lol. Some of you will just open mouth, Waaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Is it not from BVAS you transmit result to iRev?

So how can what you have on iRev be different from what you have transmitted from BVAS which is it's primary and only source of data collection? So what do you mean by BVAS is different from IREV. Go school you say no.

Very daft boy. Go and check the differences between BVAS and IREV before displaying your stupidity in public.

The BVAS were reconfigured after the presidential election.. You cannot harvest any data from the presidential election on it except on the IREV, which primary work is to display result. Peter Obi wasnt able to access the BVAS but inspected the backup Data only on INEC server.

And the court is only accepting DATA gotten from the BVAS alone.

Dont be stupid.

garfield1:
Do you realize that even in osun,accredited votes on bvas differed from what was on irev

Garfield, That man you are engaging wasnt talking about accreditation. He was reffering to results on BVAS. He wants Peter Obi to harvest results from BVAS

lhordspy:
Garfield, That man you are engaging wasnt talking about accreditation. He was reffering to results on BVAS. He wants Peter Obi to harvest results from BVAS

Harvest what is nonexistent

Penguin2:
How can you say Obi never extracted data directly from the BVAS?

What then did his lawyers go to do at INEC HQ when they went to inspect materials?

And hey, Obi’s case is just starting. You can’t claim to be privy to his lawyers’ evidences and materials. Wait until trials start.

And remember that Adeleke’s lawyer, Onyechi Ikpeazu, is also Obi’s lawyer. He’s definitely going to take lessons from this Osun case to the Presidential Petition Tribunal.

That fellow likes off the issue submissions

garfield1:
Harvest what is nonexistent

. A very dull boy he is. Most of them dont even know what accreditation of voters by BVAS is. They are probably thinking, it is the storage of result for harvesting.

To be an Obidient is scary.

lhordspy:
. A very dull boy he is. Most of them dont even know what accreditation of voters by BVAS is. They are probably thinking, it is the storage of result for harvesting.

To be an Obidient is scary.

It is saddening and frustrating.I don tire

So in your wisdom you think the court will say, Obi, its your fault you didnt get bvas data so we can't do anything? That would be a stupid tribunal

garfield1:
Obi never extracted data,remember he couldn't inspect bvas due to guber polls.data from bvas was transfered to server which will bw incomplete like osun