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Sepukku:


An admission would only mean something was being concealed regarding what is a conversational norm in Nigerian culture.

I understand its a learning experience for you though, part of educating yourself on Nairaland. Keep it up.



This is besides the point being made but then again you are a child so your reactions would be to go there. I understand.

Wrong it wrong in any society.

KingCold:
Your research was wrong. In SA, things aren't quite "tribe-specific" like they're over there

My research was not wrong cos i got it from South Africans. When looting spee went chaotic, I saw South Africans from other tribes blaming it on Zulu people. I'm on different pages and groups and I know what I saw bafo.

Sepukku:


I love that clip from Youtube, it demonstrated the eloquence of the Nigerian mindset at that period(especially form the southern part of the country) of history compared to other Africans and is truly a gem that should be shared as much as possible.

You've seen the 1957 video too? That Nigerian boy made me proud as he spoke eloquently in the defence of Black South Africans. The white school girl too was naive but she spoke with a commanding conviction that made the debate worth listening to. The Ethiopian boy was busy saying he is NOT a Black African in one instance and the Nigerian boy took a sarcastic swipe at him. The consciousness was high back then because folks read hardcopy books and went to libraries and museums, etc, without too much distractions that the young ones are subjected to today.

I belong to that older generation that read good books and fortunately, my family library had large volumes of encyclopaedia and international magazines, so I was fired up with the knowledge of the struggles of Black South Africans and the ANC, SWAPO, and Rhodesia [now Zimbabwe]. We treated South Africans, Namibians and Zimbabweans specially with love back in the day.

Most of the post-apartheid born generation of the 1990s within and outside South Africa do NOT even care to know much about the struggles that Africans made to support indigenous Black South Africans, and I see exchanges of stereotypes and insults here and elsewhere online which shouldn't be. For me, it's a thing of pride for me that young SA folks are here on NL and can interact in real time with Nigerians and other global citizens but it MUST be constructive engagements with some bants here and there... NOT outright insults.

XAUBulls:

You've seen the 1957 video too? That Nigerian boy made me proud as he spoke eloquently in the defence of Black South Africans. The white girl too was naive but she spoke with a commanding conviction too. The Ethiopian boy was busy saying he is NOT a Black African in one instance and the Nigerian boy took a sarcastic swipe at him. The consciousness was high back then because folks read hardcopy books and went to libraries and museums, etc, without too much distractions that the young ones are subjected to today.

The young man you see there became a very popular journalist in Nigerian I believe. The white girl turned out to be a lesbian lady which is why even then she was making moves at the ghanaian girl who looked very naive.

The Ethiopian boy was pretty much a victim of the education of his time where there existed this philosophy of the "true negro" type and the so called "Hamitic" peoples. This however has been debunked and ethiopians now embrace their African identity more strongly than back then

Samantha124:

The Post-apartheid born generation within and outside South Africa do NOT even care to know much about the struggles that Africans made to support indigenous Black South Africans and I see exchanges of stereotypes and insults here and elsewhere online.

Unfortunately this is the case. They are preoccupied with the present difficulties their economy is facing and only a handful are students of history.

Hadampson:


My research was not wrong cos i got it from South Africans. When looting spee went chaotic, I saw South Africans from other tribes blaming it on Zulu people. I'm on different pages and groups and I know what I saw bafo.

I would like to correct this slightly in saying that much of the looting did occur in mixed areas of the country with predominant Zulu populations.

Looting was not a common thing in say the mafikeng area where Tswana-Pedi people reside

Sepukku:


The young man you see there became a very popular journalist in Nigerian I believe. The white girl turned out to be a lesbian lady which is why even then she was making moves at the ghanaian girl who looked very naive.

The Ethiopian boy was pretty much a victim of the education of his time where there existed this philosophy of the "true negro" type and the so called "Hamitic" peoples. This however has been debunked and ethiopians now embrace their African identity more strongly than back then


Unfortunately this is the case. They are preoccupied with the present difficulties their economy is facing and only a handful are students of history.

@The bolded... She was a lesbian, Really?

When I first watched that video, I detected a triggering of bewilderment from the white girl as the then Nigerian school boy tackled her on all fronts. She had that bewildered look of "who is this cocky teenage bastard?"

I'm not surprised that he became a Nigerian journalist. He had that eloquence around him for a boy of his age.
Oh! I just found out he passed on in 2018.


Debate Participants: Amelia Addae, Gold Coast (whereabouts unknown); Susan Rennie, South Africa (became a scholar and author, see "A Feminist Tarot"; Mr. Mesfin Binega, Ethiopia (became a military figure); Mr. Boniface Offokaja, Nigeria (became a broadcaster).

Hadampson:


My research was not wrong cos i got it from South Africans. When looting spee went chaotic, I saw South Africans from other tribes blaming it on Zulu people. I'm on different pages and groups and I know what I saw bafo.

Bro, only your people are blaming Zulu people, never heard of such here and I'm not even Zulu. Xenophobic attacks started on complains from all South Africans and then went haywire because of criminal elements

cejaypriesty:

Is xenophobia and hatred for other African nationalities also half truth and obsession 🤣

Funny how's there's "hatred" of African nationalities but no African country's accommodating all these Africans quite like us

Sepukku:


I already know that but that's not what matters.

What matters is the truth.

aka. Your opinion

Sepukku:


I would like to correct this slightly in saying that much of the looting did occur in mixed areas of the country with predominant Zulu populations.

Looting was not a common thing in say the mafikeng area where Tswana-Pedi people reside

Nonsense

KingCold:
Bro, only your people are blaming Zulu people, never heard of such here and I'm not even Zulu. Xenophobic attacks started on complains from all South Africans and then went haywire because of criminal elements

Okay, no argument cos it seems y'all don't wanna listen.

Hadampson:


Okay, no argument cos it seems y'all don't wanna listen.

"I don't wanna listen?" you wanna tell me about my own country when you're in Kaduna? Come on man

KingCold:
"I don't wanna listen?" you wanna tell me about my own country when you're in Kaduna? Come on man

Was I telling you about your country bafo? You got it all wrong wena. When xenophobia broke out and some Africans were affected, I decided to know the main reason why people were angry. In the midst of it all, I made my friends but I saw what South Africans from other tribes said about Zulu people. Yes, Nigerians might have blamed only Zulu people cos virtually majority only know of Zulu tribe but not me and that was because I took my time out and make research on things I should know. My level adviser was studying his PhD in UJ then. He helped me with the research too. My South African friends did as well. I saw everything they said. Gauteng is where it all started but the people that started it were Zulu before others joined.

What I noticed about South Africans is that they tend to blame Zulu people for most things, just like Nigerians do to igbo people (I'm not igbo).

Pedi people don't reside in Mafikeng.. They're in Limpopo, Gauteng, and Mpumalanga.

You'll only find very few of them in other provinces, like me that is based in Durban.

Sepukku:


I would like to correct this slightly in saying that much of the looting did occur in mixed areas of the country with predominant Zulu populations.

Looting was not a common thing in say the mafikeng area where Tswana-Pedi people reside

Hadampson:


Was I telling you about your country bafo? You got it all wrong wena. When xenophobia broke out and some Africans were affected, I decided to know the main reason why people were angry. In the midst of it all, I made my friends but I saw what South Africans from other tribes said about Zulu people. Yes, Nigerians might have blamed only Zulu people cos virtually majority only know of Zulu tribe but not me and that was because I took my time out and make research on things I should know. My level adviser was studying his PhD in UJ then. He helped me with the research too. My South African friends did as well. I saw everything they said. Gauteng is where it all started but the people that started it were Zulu before others joined.

What I noticed about South Africans is that they tend to blame Zulu people for most things, just like Nigerians do to igbo people (I'm not igbo).

Hell yeah, you're telling me about my own country guy, and you're insisting on things you have no clue about
How do you pinpoint who's Zulu and who's not in a place like Gauteng? Let's start there

Samantha124:
Pedi people don't reside in Mafikeng.. They're in Limpopo, Gauteng, and Mpumalanga.

You'll only find very few of them in other provinces, like me that is based in Durban.

You quoted someone that believes he knows everything there is to know about SA, I saw that too but decided to ignore him. Mafikeng is made up of mostly Tswanas and Sothos ba Pedi bako Limpopo

KingCold:
Nonsense

Truth is bitter bra. What caused the looting? Was it not because Zuma was arrested and detained in Estcourt jail. People wanted to protest and the bad ones took advantage of it to LOOT. The looting started there and spread to other places. Mostly in KZN and I think some part of Gauteng. Limpopo people made different posts to encourage their folks not to be like others. I saw everything cos my venda friends mentioned me on those posts. I'm not saying RSA has the level of tribalism we have in Nigeria but y'all have the tiny portion of it.

Hadampson:


Truth is bitter bra. What caused the looting? Was it not because Zuma was arrested and detained in Estcourt jail. People wanted to protest and the bad ones took advantage of it to LOOT. The looting started there and spread to other places. Mostly in KZN and I think some part of Gauteng. Limpopo people made different posts to encourage their folks not to be like others. I saw everything cos my venda friends mentioned me on those posts. I'm not saying RSA has the level of tribalism we have in Nigeria but y'all have the tiny portion of it.

I'm not Zulu so why would I be bitter? What I hate is someone sitting behind a computer and then acting like they understand the little nuances of a place they've never been to. The Xenophobic attacks started in 2008 way before Zuma was even arrested what was the reason back then? Zulu people again?

Secondly, how sure are you, these attacks weren't already happening in various places around Gauteng before Zuma was even arrested?

And I ask again, how do you pinpoint who Zulu and who's not in a place like Gauteng?

You are just falling into the usual trap of Nigerian reasoning...blaming things on tribes, that's not how work on this side

KingCold:
Hell yeah, you're telling me about my own country guy, and you're insisting on things you have no clue about
How do you pinpoint who's Zulu and who's not in a place like Gauteng? Let's start there

I'm telling you what I got from my research and you are somehow adamant to accept it. I can't know a country more than the citizens and that's why I involved few citizens in my research. I have nothing against Zulu people. Ngithanda Amazulu but truth must be told.

Gauteng is a cosmopolitan province but we cannot overrule the fact that it is dominated by Zulu and Batswana people. Due to the peculiar personality people believe Zulu people to have, I think that might be the reason why they blame them for some things.

O nagana gore he knows us go feta rena badudi ba ka mo nageng..

KingCold:
You quoted someone that believes he knows everything there is to know about SA, I saw that too but decided to ignore him. Mafikeng is made up of mostly Tswanas and Sothos ba Pedi bako Limpopo

Hadampson:


I'm telling you what I got from my research and you are somehow adamant to accept it. I can't know a country more than the citizens and that's why I involved few citizens in my research. I have nothing against Zulu people. Ngithanda Amazulu but truth must be told.

Gauteng is a cosmopolitan province but we cannot overrule the fact that it is dominated by Zulu and Batswana people. Due to the peculiar personality people believe Zulu people to have, I think that might be the reason why they blame them for some things.

And I'm telling you of what I know by experience, what I've seen by my own eyes NOT some article I've read online, surely I ought to be the one telling you, no the other way around..Your arrogance is offputting.

Gauteng is not dominated by Amzulu le Batswana...see another mistake?

Secondly you have no business telling me about the personality of people you've never met. It's like me saying Hausa people I l;like this and like that, when I can't even differentiate them from a common Nigerian

Samantha124:
O nagana gore he knows us go feta rena badudi ba ka mo nageng..

O thswana le yena o Hadampson

KingCold:
I'm not Zulu so why would I be bitter? What I hate is someone sitting behind a computer and then acting like they understand the little nuances of a place they've never been to. The Xenophobic attacks started in 2008 way before Zuma was even arrested what was the reason back then? Zulu people again?

Secondly, how sure are you, these attacks weren't already happening in various places around Gauteng before Zuma was even arrested?

And I ask again, how do you pinpoint who Zulu and who's not in a place like Gauteng?

You are just falling into the usual trap of Nigerian reasoning...blaming things on tribes, that's not how work on this side

My emphasis was on the recent one in 2019 not the first xenOphobic attack, you see why I said you don't understand my point. If you know me well, I'm not the kind of NIGERIAN that blame people based on tribes. What started this argument was to educate a Nigerian who claimed to háte Zulu people which I think is not right cos I like them and their cultural activities.

I merely stated what I got from my research, emphasis on RESEARCH. Was I the one that blamed ZULU people, no cos I wasn't there to witness it and even if I was there, I might not be able to know who's who.

You said people don't blame tribes over there and I used the looting spree as a good example to discredit what you said. No country is free from tribal!sm just that Nigeria seem to be the number one in Africa from what I have seen so far.

KingCold:
And I'm telling you of what I know by experience, what I've seen by my own eyes NOT some article I've read online, surely I ought to be the one telling you, no the other way around..Your arrogance is offputting.

Gauteng is not dominated by Amzulu le Batswana...see another mistake?

Secondly you have no business telling me about the personality of people you've never met. It's like me saying Hausa people I l;like this and like that, when I can't even differentiate them from a common Nigerian

Call it arrogant bafo but i don't back down not when I made effort to make research. My research isn't from reading articles online. It was from following South Africa twitter and pages on different platforms. I will reiterate what I said, I KNOW WHAT I SAW, believe it or not it won't nullify the fact that I saw things too.

And let's not argue anymore. I gat no beef with Zulu people. I love them and that's it.

Samantha124:
O nagana gore he knows us go feta rena badudi ba ka mo nageng..

No madam, I didn't claim to know you better, I was just standing on what I know based on my research.

But I wasn't talking about you..

Hadampson:


No madam, I didn't claim to know you better, I was just standing on what I know based on my research.

Samantha124:
But I wasn't talking about you..

That's not true but it's all good ma'am

Hadampson:


My emphasis was on the recent one in 2019 not the first xenOphobic attack, you see why I said you don't understand my point. If you know me well, I'm not the kind of NIGERIAN that blame people based on tribes. What started this argument was to educate a Nigerian who claimed to háte Zulu people which I think is not right cos I like them and their cultural activities.

I merely stated what I got from my research, emphasis on RESEARCH. Was I the one that blamed ZULU people, no cos I wasn't there to witness it and even if I was there, I might not be able to know who's who.

You said people don't blame tribes over there and I used the looting spree as a good example to discredit what you said. No country is free from tribal!sm just that Nigeria seem to be the number one in Africa from what I have seen so far.

what you don't seem to get is, nothing can be traced on a tribe with regards to these lootings. nothing, People in Tshwane and Vereeniging can't be looting and the same lootings be blamed on Zulu people, it's ridiculous

This guy though, I wasn't even thinking about you when I made that comment..😂😂😂

Hadampson:


That's not true but it's all good ma'am

Hadampson:


No madam, I didn't claim to know you better, I was just standing on what I know based on my research.

Lol, research which is not even official or credible, hit us with credible sources that say the lootings were started by Zulu people, not gossip from Venda friends from UJ.

Hadampson:


Call it arrogant bafo but i don't back down not when I made effort to make research. My research isn't from reading articles online. It was from following South Africa twitter and pages on different platforms. I will reiterate what I said, I KNOW WHAT I SAW, believe it or not it won't nullify the fact that I saw things too.

And let's not argue anymore. I gat no beef with Zulu people. I love them and that's it.

Bro, if someone from that particular place is trying to tell you about it but you go and on about something you heard or read about and even insist that person listens to you because you know better is the height of arrogance and delusion...LOL, And what did exactly did you see? That the person looting was Zulu? How can you even tell?

We're here in south Africa and know one can tell you who stared the lootings but everyone can tell how it all started, but someone from far flung Nigeria apparently knows

KingCold:
what you don't seem to get is, nothing can be traced on a tribe with regards to these lootings. nothing, People in Tshwane and Vereeniging can't be looting and the same looting be blamed on Zulu people, it's ridiculous

I know it's ridiculous but I swear I'm not lying about what I saw. Few of my South Africans blamed it on them. But then other tribes participated in it which makes your assertion valid. People need to learn not to use ethnicity to judge people especially Nigerians on this forum. They are good at that and it kinda influence the election we did few months ago.

I'm not from igbo tribe but some Nigerians blame them for different things. It's not cool but it is the way things are in this country.