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Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Penguin2: 11:14am On May 16, 2023
One of the, if not the only, line of defense of Tinubu supporters since incontrovertible evidences emerged that Peter Obi won Rivers but INEC criminally called it for Tinubu as has been reported by a lot of reputable media platforms including the BBC, is that “even if the Rivers result is added to Obi, he will still not be above Tinubu.”

One of them (Ireportlive) even went as far as admitting that Lagos was equally rigged for Tinubu but that even if both Lagos and Rivers results are given to Obi (the original owner by the way), he’d still top Tinubu.

But are there really no implication to these reports of Obi winning Rivers? Is it as easy as Tinubu supporters are trying to make it sound? I guess not.

The first thing to consider here is that if the evidences become overwhelming that the PEPT was convinced that Peter Obi won Rivers, and they decide to add the state to him, the implication is that Tinubu will be left with 11 states where he secured victory while Obi will now move to 13 states. What this means is that if at the end of the Tribunals, the courts decide to order a run off, it will now be between Tinubu who won simple majority of votes and Peter Obi who won most states of 13 against Atiku’s 12.

Furthermore, if Obi is able to prove in court that it is not only Rivers State that his votes were taken, that it happened in other states, and the court agrees to recalculate the numbers, Obi might not end up topping Tinubu but he’d most likely end up displacing Atiku to become the second person in the election. The implication of this is that in the event that Tinubu is disqualified, for whichever of the many grounds seeking his disqualification, it is Peter Obi, not Atiku, that would then become the direct beneficiary of his disqualification.

Then lastly, if it can be proven that INEC manipulated results in Rivers to favour Tinubu, how are we sure it is not what they did nationwide? INEC would have to show cause why it should not be believed that they used the Rivers template nationwide in support of Tinubu.

So, my point is that Tinubu supporters should not take the reports of Obi winning Rivers as inconsequential. It has the tendency to cause a spiral that could further nail Tinubu’s chances.

Nyesom Wike was more of a curse to Tinubu than a blessing. He’d end up being Tinubu’s undertaker.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Feintline: 11:20am On May 16, 2023
Not just rivers. PODATTI votes of many other states where outrightly manipulated and added to tinubu.
In Lagos PODATTI got almost ten times of what tinubu got. The numbers put our are altered.

Most important is the fact that tinubu did not meet the constitutional requirement to be sworn in. Swearing him in is destroying democracy in Nigeria.

That is the foundation of 're tidying the whole election.

Tinubu did not win lagos .
He did not win abuja
He did not win rivers.
He did not win any of the kkk states in north.
This alone should tell you that tinubu did not win the elections. I am not even sure he came second.
The numbers called for him by yakubu are manufactured numbers mostly stolen from PODATTI votes and added to the election criminal.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Mjshexy(f): 11:33am On May 16, 2023
That's just one state out of about 12 states they rigged without conscience, the truth is gradually being exposed so let's keep watching sad

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Odogwuzack: 11:39am On May 16, 2023
The ongoing Tribunal is just an academic exercise.

Tinubu won fair and square.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Koralords: 11:41am On May 16, 2023
Penguin2:
One of the, if not the only, line of defense of Tinubu supporters since incontrovertible evidences emerged that Peter Obi won Rivers but INEC criminally called it for Tinubu as has been reported by a lot of reputable media platforms including the BBC, is that “even if the Rivers result is added to Obi, he will still not be above Tinubu.”

One of them (Ireportlive) even went as far as admitting that Lagos was equally rigged for Tinubu but that even if both Lagos and Rivers results are given to Obi (the original owner by the way), he’d still top Tinubu.

But are there really no implication to these reports of Obi winning Rivers? Is it as easy as Tinubu supporters are trying to make it sound? I guess not.

The first thing to consider here is that if the evidences become overwhelming that the PEPT was convinced that Peter Obi won Rivers, and they decide to add the state to him, the implication is that Tinubu will be left with 11 states where he secured victory while Obi will now move to 13 states. What this means is that if at the end of the Tribunals, the courts decide to order a run off, it will now be between Tinubu who won simple majority of votes and Peter Obi who won most states of 13 against Atiku’s 12.

Furthermore, if Obi is able to prove in court that it is not only Rivers State that his votes were taken, that it happened in other states, and the court agrees to recalculate the numbers, Obi might not end up topping Tinubu but he’d most likely end up displacing Atiku to become the second person in the election. The implication of this is that in the event that Tinubu is disqualified, for whichever of the many rounds seeking his disqualification, it is Peter Obi, not Atiku, that would then become the direct beneficiary of his disqualification.

Then lastly, if it can be proven that INEC manipulated results in Rivers to favour Tinubu, how are we sure it is not what they did nationwide? INEC would have to show cause why it should not be believed that they used the Rivers template nationwide in support of Tinubu.

So, my point is that Tinubu supporters should not take the reports of Obi winning Rivers as inconsequential. It has the tendency to cause a spiral that could further nail Tinubu’s chances.

Nyesom Wike was more of a curse to Tinubu than a blessing. He’d end up being Tinubu’s undertaker.
Keep deceiving yourself,the burden of prove is on lp,south east voted will also be contested

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Ofunaofu: 11:48am On May 16, 2023
The music has changed

The New song is that APC should just dash LP River results because it won't change anything.

Imagine!

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by OKOATA(m): 11:50am On May 16, 2023
Koralords:

Keep deceiving yourself,the burden of prove is on lp,south east voted will also be contested
Where did APC put in their petition that they will contest those areas? Go school you say no.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Penguin2: 11:52am On May 16, 2023
Feintline:
Not just just rivers. PODATTI votes of many other states where outrightly manipulated and added to tinubu.

Most important is the fact that tinubu did not meet the constitutional requirement to be sworn in. Swearing him in is destroying democracy in Nigeria.

That is the foundation of 're tidying the whole election.

Tinubu did not win lagos
He did not win abuja
He did not win rivers.
He did not win any of the kkk states in north.
This alone should tell you that the numbers called for him by yakubu are manufactured and ghost numbers.



I know na. And majority of Nigerians know too.

The reason I limited my question to Rivers is because that’s like the most visible and most controversial state so far with almost incontrovertible evidences flying everywhere and carried by reputable platforms.

But Tinubu supporters has however always argued that even if Rivers votes is added to Obi that it won’t change anything much.

So, the aim of this piece is to show them what it can change.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Penguin2: 11:54am On May 16, 2023
Ofunaofu:
The music had changed

The New song is that APC should just dash LP River results because it won't change anything.

Imagine!


That’s why I wanna educate them of the implications therein.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Penguin2: 11:54am On May 16, 2023
Koralords:

Keep deceiving yourself,the burden of prove is on lp,south east voted will also be contested

Is that in APC’s petition?

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by ProphetM0hammad: 11:57am On May 16, 2023
Penguin2:
One of the, if not the only, line of defense of Tinubu supporters since incontrovertible evidences emerged that Peter Obi won Rivers but INEC criminally called it for Tinubu as has been reported by a lot of reputable media platforms including the BBC, is that “even if the Rivers result is added to Obi, he will still not be above Tinubu.”

One of them (Ireportlive) even went as far as admitting that Lagos was equally rigged for Tinubu but that even if both Lagos and Rivers results are given to Obi (the original owner by the way), he’d still top Tinubu.

But are there really no implication to these reports of Obi winning Rivers? Is it as easy as Tinubu supporters are trying to make it sound? I guess not.

The first thing to consider here is that if the evidences become overwhelming that the PEPT was convinced that Peter Obi won Rivers, and they decide to add the state to him, the implication is that Tinubu will be left with 11 states where he secured victory while Obi will now move to 13 states. What this means is that if at the end of the Tribunals, the courts decide to order a run off, it will now be between Tinubu who won simple majority of votes and Peter Obi who won most states of 13 against Atiku’s 12.

Furthermore, if Obi is able to prove in court that it is not only Rivers State that his votes were taken, that it happened in other states, and the court agrees to recalculate the numbers, Obi might not end up topping Tinubu but he’d most likely end up displacing Atiku to become the second person in the election. The implication of this is that in the event that Tinubu is disqualified, for whichever of the many rounds seeking his disqualification, it is Peter Obi, not Atiku, that would then become the direct beneficiary of his disqualification.

Then lastly, if it can be proven that INEC manipulated results in Rivers to favour Tinubu, how are we sure it is not what they did nationwide? INEC would have to show cause why it should not be believed that they used the Rivers template nationwide in support of Tinubu.

So, my point is that Tinubu supporters should not take the reports of Obi winning Rivers as inconsequential. It has the tendency to cause a spiral that could further nail Tinubu’s chances.

Nyesom Wike was more of a curse to Tinubu than a blessing. He’d end up being Tinubu’s undertaker.
You are just a baby with a fantasy.

Do you think LP didn't rig the election at all?

You should be more worried of APC going on the offensive, right now APC is just docile waiting to defend any allegations being brought by the opposition because APC think it's not necessary yet to attack in court.

Some evidence of rigging and election malpractice of LP is everywhere on the net.

But the fact still remains that Obi is the least of the 3 front runners and the least likely to emerge the winner among them.

If Obi should go on a rerun with either Tinubu or Atiku, he will only have his fan boys and mobs like you to count on for votes but he will lose millions of votes he got in the previous election due to everything that has played out so far since February 25th including the recent pattern of abuse from his mobs which they've taken to important dignitaries like the Ooni, pastor Adeboye and Soyinka.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Penguin2: 11:58am On May 16, 2023
Odogwuzack:
The ongoing Tribunal is just an academic exercise.

Tinubu won fair and square.

Are you sure?

If it was indeed an academic exercise, then why are you sponsoring Lamidi Apapa to try to withdraw the petition.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Godwin4444: 11:59am On May 16, 2023
OKOATA:
Where did APC put in their petition that they will contest those areas? Go school you say no.
so 100% people registered to vote n none died, none relocated, none was sick, none was busy, none was in d hospital

All of them that registered came out to vote

U igbos always think u are wise n others are foolish, many people are waiting for u n your obi in court

Even in some part of imo that the government n electorates made it clear that voting didn’t happen, Peter obi still won with 98%

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by OKOATA(m): 12:01pm On May 16, 2023
Godwin4444:
so 100% people registered to vote n none died, none relocated, none was sick, none was busy, none was in d hospital

All of them that registered came out to vote

U igbos always think u are wise n others are foolish, many people are waiting for u n your obi in court

Even in some part of imo that the government n electorates made it clear that voting didn’t happen, Peter obi still won with 98%
You this Fulani teblik guy for Kwara dey very funny o. See as you no get point. Keep herding cows and goats up and down, na wetin fit una be that.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Odogwuzack: 12:01pm On May 16, 2023
Penguin2:


Are you sure?

If it was indeed an academic exercise, then why are you sponsoring Lamidi Apapa to try to withdraw the petition.

So as to save the court's time so that we can all concentrate on governance.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by ProphetM0hammad: 12:02pm On May 16, 2023
OKOATA:
Where did APC put in their petition that they will contest those areas? Go school you say no.

APC didn't petition anything, because it's not necessary.

All the parties engaged in rigging during the election, everyone with common sense will agree with that.

For now, APC and inec just want to defend Asiwaju victory

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by ImmaculateJOE(m): 12:04pm On May 16, 2023
LP votes were reduced in Adamawa, Plateau, Lagos, Taraba, Bauchi, Borno, Yobe, Benue, Kaduna and so many others....

They did Obi bad thin in the North..

Obi won about 14-16 states, Rivers, Benue, Taraba but different candidate was announced winner..

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Godwin4444: 12:05pm On May 16, 2023
ProphetM0hammad:

You are just a baby with a fantasy.

Do you think LP didn't rig the election at all?

You should be more worried of APC going on the offensive, right now APC is just docile waiting to defend any allegations being brought by the opposition because APC think it's not necessary yet to attack in court.

Some evidence of rigging and election malpractice of LP is everywhere on the net.

But the fact still remains that Obi is the least of the 3 front runners and the least likely to emerge the winner among them.

If Obi should go on a rerun with either Tinubu or Atiku, he will only have his fan boys and mobs like you to count on for votes but he will lose millions of votes he got in the previous election due to everything that has played out so far since February 25th including the recent pattern of abuse from his mobs which they've taken to important dignitaries like the Ooni, pastor Adeboye and Soyinka.

just leave them

100% registered to vote in d east n 100% voted

No canceled vote
None of d electorates died
None was in d hospital
None was busy
None relocated
None wasn’t interested
Even in some imo where it was made clear people didn’t vote due to insecurity Peter obi still won with 98%


Just leave them, many of them are first time voters who really don’t know anything about election, they have minor knowledge of what it entails n how it is done

Since they have access to internet they can do anything they like

Reality will wake them up again like it did after election

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Godwin4444: 12:06pm On May 16, 2023
OKOATA:
You this Fulani teblik guy for Kwara dey very funny o. See as you no get point. Keep herding cows and goats up and down, na wetin fit una be that.
typical Igbo devoid of intellectual reasoning

Don’t worry

Reality will wake u up once again

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by Koralords: 12:07pm On May 16, 2023
Penguin2:


Is that in APC’s petition?
Keep deceiving yourself,tell me one party that did not rig,rigging pass rigging ,get used to Apv ruling you for 4 years atleast

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by OKOATA(m): 12:09pm On May 16, 2023
Godwin4444:
typical Igbo devoid of intellectual reasoning

Don’t worry

Reality will wake u up once again
ok fulani herder.
Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by wwwkaycom(m): 12:09pm On May 16, 2023
It cant change nothing. Asiwaju led Obi by almost two million votes, assume 500k votes is added to Obi's votes in Rivers State, he will still not take over Atiku not to talk of Asiwaju.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by OKOATA(m): 12:12pm On May 16, 2023
ProphetM0hammad:

You are just a baby with a fantasy.

Do you think LP didn't rig the election at all?

You should be more worried of APC going on the offensive, right now APC is just docile waiting to defend any allegations being brought by the opposition because APC think it's not necessary yet to attack in court.

Some evidence of rigging and election malpractice of LP is everywhere on the net.

But the fact still remains that Obi is the least of the 3 front runners and the least likely to emerge the winner among them.

If Obi should go on a rerun with either Tinubu or Atiku, he will only have his fan boys and mobs like you to count on for votes but he will lose millions of votes he got in the previous election due to everything that has played out so far since February 25th including the recent pattern of abuse from his mobs which they've taken to important dignitaries like the Ooni, pastor Adeboye and Soyinka.

Go and check the stats, Obis increased from 51% to 75% in popularity since after the election, do you want to compare an active 3rd runner up as you call him to a number 1 that's no where to be found and can't even defend his mandate? So if there's a rerun today you know what that means, although there won't be any need to waste another funds under this administration especially that mamood.
Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by mancoconut: 12:14pm On May 16, 2023
At least the Rivers election rigging malfeasance that top media outlets have exposed has finally put to rest the noise from the Agbado camp that Tinubu got votes from the South South, the SE, SS and parts of the NC significantly rejected Thiefnubuu which says a lot.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by JagabanBorgu: 12:15pm On May 16, 2023
They should add all the votes in Rivers to Obi.
Every party got Zero and Eluuu P got 500k votes, they still wón't win.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by OKOATA(m): 12:16pm On May 16, 2023
wwwkaycom:
It cant change nothing. Asiwaju led Obi by almost two million votes, assume 500k votes is added to Obi's votes in Rivers State, he will still not take over Atiku not to talk of Asiwaju.
Lol you just shot yourself in the foot, if 500k votes could be reduced from BATs votes what makes you think other states won't be checked too? You rig about 500k votes from one state and the judiciary will assume other states are perfect abi? When they check the rest what do you think would happen..
Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by IgOga(m): 12:17pm On May 16, 2023
It will not change much but if the pattern repeats across several states it will change a lot.

Obi will be in a prime position to win in 2027 provided Atiku doesn't run again
Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by JagabanBorgu: 12:19pm On May 16, 2023
Penguin2:
One of the, if not the only, line of defense of Tinubu supporters since incontrovertible evidences emerged that Peter Obi won Rivers but INEC criminally called it for Tinubu as has been reported by a lot of reputable media platforms including the BBC, is that “even if the Rivers result is added to Obi, he will still not be above Tinubu.”

One of them (Ireportlive) even went as far as admitting that Lagos was equally rigged for Tinubu but that even if both Lagos and Rivers results are given to Obi (the original owner by the way), he’d still top Tinubu.

But are there really no implication to these reports of Obi winning Rivers? Is it as easy as Tinubu supporters are trying to make it sound? I guess not.

The first thing to consider here is that if the evidences become overwhelming that the PEPT was convinced that Peter Obi won Rivers, and they decide to add the state to him, the implication is that Tinubu will be left with 11 states where he secured victory while Obi will now move to 13 states. What this means is that if at the end of the Tribunals, the courts decide to order a run off, it will now be between Tinubu who won simple majority of votes and Peter Obi who won most states of 13 against Atiku’s 12.

Furthermore, if Obi is able to prove in court that it is not only Rivers State that his votes were taken, that it happened in other states, and the court agrees to recalculate the numbers, Obi might not end up topping Tinubu but he’d most likely end up displacing Atiku to become the second person in the election. The implication of this is that in the event that Tinubu is disqualified, for whichever of the many rounds seeking his disqualification, it is Peter Obi, not Atiku, that would then become the direct beneficiary of his disqualification.

Then lastly, if it can be proven that INEC manipulated results in Rivers to favour Tinubu, how are we sure it is not what they did nationwide? INEC would have to show cause why it should not be believed that they used the Rivers template nationwide in support of Tinubu.

So, my point is that Tinubu supporters should not take the reports of Obi winning Rivers as inconsequential. It has the tendency to cause a spiral that could further nail Tinubu’s chances.

Nyesom Wike was more of a curse to Tinubu than a blessing. He’d end up being Tinubu’s undertaker.
Reputable media outlet like BBC?
It could be an Obi supporter making that report on BBC.
We know alot of Nîgeriàns work for different news outlets even CNN has one who loves bending the narrative in Obi's favor.
Obi's other votes were taken in Katsina, Borno, Kano, Jigawa, Zamfara etc, Obi won the election, he won all 36 states, he was just rîggèd out.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by IVORY2009(m): 12:21pm On May 16, 2023
ProphetM0hammad:

You are just a baby with a fantasy.

Do you think LP didn't rig the election at all?

You should be more worried of APC going on the offensive, right now APC is just docile waiting to defend any allegations being brought by the opposition because APC think it's not necessary yet to attack in court.

Some evidence of rigging and election malpractice of LP is everywhere on the net.

But the fact still remains that Obi is the least of the 3 front runners and the least likely to emerge the winner among them.

If Obi should go on a rerun with either Tinubu or Atiku, he will only have his fan boys and mobs like you to count on for votes but he will lose millions of votes he got in the previous election due to everything that has played out so far since February 25th including the recent pattern of abuse from his mobs which they've taken to important dignitaries like the Ooni, pastor Adeboye and Soyinka.



You analysis lack wisdom, the country called Nigeria is at a point of no return, we need a purpose driven and corruption free leader like Peter Obi to come in, not a Tinubu that is corrupt even to the level of reducing his age, Obi would trach Tinubu in the ass any time any day if the elections are free and fair, mark it down if you can.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by JagabanBorgu: 12:23pm On May 16, 2023
Feintline:
Not just just rivers. PODATTI votes of many other states where outrightly manipulated and added to tinubu.

Most important is the fact that tinubu did not meet the constitutional requirement to be sworn in. Swearing him in is destroying democracy in Nigeria.

That is the foundation of 're tidying the whole election.

Tinubu did not win lagos
He did not win abuja
He did not win rivers.
He did not win any of the kkk states in north.
This alone should tell you that tinubu did not win the elections. I am not even sure he came second.
The numbers called for him by yakubu are manufactured numbers stolen from PODATTI and added to the election criminal.



Obi won the KKK states?
Obi won NW and NE?
Did Obi win ¼ of SW?
Did Obi win ½ of NC?
These clearly shows Obi did not win the election.

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Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by JagabanBorgu: 12:23pm On May 16, 2023
Mjshexy:
That's just one state out of about 12 states they rigged without conscience, the truth is gradually being exposed so let's keep watching sad
and Obi's 11 states were not manipulated to his favor?
U will wait till 2031
Re: Can Rivers Votes Change Anything For Obi If It’s Added To His Tally? by ProphetM0hammad: 12:23pm On May 16, 2023
OKOATA:
Go and check the stats, Obis increased from 51% to 75% in popularity since after the election, do you want to compare an active 3rd runner up as you call him to a number 1 that's no where to be found and can't even defend his mandate? So if there's a rerun today you know what that means, although there won't be any need to waste another funds under this administration especially that mamood.

Popularity among who?

He cried on TV, was detained and deported in UK and has been running from pillar to post since after the election while his fans haven't rested too

So it's normal to have his image everywhere
But I'm talking about election here, do you think he will enjoy the same number of votes he got in the west then if there should be a rerun?

Do you know what played out after the February 25th election?
You remember how those events affected the governorship election in Lagos

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