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Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Pootle: 10:01am On May 24, 2023
Antiochus:
Let your posterity start with all U.S presidents that have ordered the invasion of weaker countries since mid 19th century down to Libya. Mr Posterity.
not all good course are just course, Russia had little or no reason to evade a sovereign state, they took Crimea nothing happened next you wanna wipe out imaginary Nazis it all ego of Russia and i hope Ukraine continue to stand their ground. the US have never tried that, they find a legitimate reason but that of Russia does not cut it out at all
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Adjovi: 10:11am On May 24, 2023
9gerian:
A terrible stunt imo. The Ukrainian people were never truly considered in all of these.

The question is: did Zelenski know before the invasion that the US and NATO will not be directly intervening in the war, and if yes, why was Ukraine then adamant in refusing to negotiate, and in a way giving Russia no other option. It is on record that prior to the Russian invasion, the Ukrainian military had killed about 14,000 ethnic Russians in the Donbas region since 2014, and that they were trying to finish off the Russian insurgents (imminent in December 2022) before Russia took up the challenge to protect its ethnic population in Eastern Ukraine.

The Minsk 2 agreement should have been renegotiated as it only mainly required Ukraine neutrality and autonomy for the Donbas people. Win-win when you consider that you are dealing with a superpower who is right next door. Look at Cuba today, just because it confronted a neighboring superpower, the US in the 1960s. That nation has remained a shadow of itself. Same fate awaits Ukraine.

And yes, maybe the deal was considered by some Ukrainians and nato as an affront and a molestation by Russia (which is how things are viewed culturally), but a potential war is far much worse. Ukrainians voted Zelenski because he promise them he would pursue peace. Cooler heads could have prevailed and the rhetoric to join NATO dropped to save the day.

And yes, the US would have done exactly the same as Russia against a Cuba or Mexico or Venezuela that decides to bring an enemy military alliance into its hemisphere or border to challenge it.

Now the EU is losing its competitive advantage against other blocks, and the US is equally losing its geopolitical influence. This is whilst the petrodollar is gradually being migrated away from, as more nations explore dumping.

This has been one big destructive experiment by the west. May God give all the concerned leaders and people the wisdom to end the war early enough before it gets to a nuclear exchange, which would definitely force an end to the war anyways.
This is one terrible mistake by the west that they will regret all their lives . No matter what happens, no one is going back to a unipolar world order again. So it's either NATO accepts the multi-polar world order or destroy themselves and everyone along with it, the latter would be stupid of them to do.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by frankson1(m): 10:24am On May 24, 2023
Kennyfancy:
seem like you don't even know anything about politics, you just type with what you hear, Even if Ukraine didn't join NATO the possibility of Russia attacking Ukraine today or in the future is still high unlike the Cuba case, American can't just invade Cuba and destroy Cuba without a clear understanding, Russia should leave Ukraine for peace to Rain
What was the "clear understanding" for the US wanting to nuke Cuba for the same reason Russia is fighting against undecided

What politics are you referring to when there'd been predictions of a war with NATO's continuous expansion.

The US have been encircling Russia in the name of NATO and you expect Putin who is the leader to fold his arms and watch.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by StudyBarn: 11:18am On May 24, 2023
TenQ:
So, using this same argument, Russia own Cremia by right of conquest from Ukraine!

Is this correct?

And Great Britain own Nigeria by right of conquest!

Is this also correct?
Hey Ukrainian troglodyte, how many % of Nigeria is the UK occupying. Putin is correcting the Nikita Khrushchev’s stupid mistake of giving Crimea to Ukraine SSR.

Russia occupies 20% of Ukraine by the way. More soon
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by PoliteActivist: 11:24am On May 24, 2023
lhordspy:
Thank God the whole world is now coming into terms with the true reality.

The next thing now is for us to call-out and further prosecute the already identified evil people who instigated this war in the first place, the war mongers masquerading as world-powers who all in a bid to test, market their latest war invention and weapons; pushed a senseless clown zelensky into sacrificing the lives of innocent soldiers and civilians and turning Ukraine into a battle field.

The US, NATO and EU government officials/member countries who instigated and contributed to this senseless war should be made to give concrete answers and pay. There should be consequences.

The United Nation must investigate this fairly. They should take into account that US almost nuked Cuba for this same reason. They refused allowing Russia build a base in Cuba, saying it is near US and they can't allow it. If not for Russia pulling out. It would have been disastrous for Cuba. Infact Cuba is still under heavy sanctions till date, since 1960s. They can't even import Coke. A simple Coke into their country due to Sanctions.

Yet same US are hiding behind NATO to encircle and place war weapons at the doorstep of Russia. We must identify the real aggressors and the people defending themselves in this war. We must all judge this fairly.
Talking like a FOOL. How many countries sharing borders with Russia are members of NATO?
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by PoliteActivist: 11:33am On May 24, 2023
Kingsnairaland:
God bless putin God bless mother Russia.
You keep saying this. How is evil empire Russia your mother? Please explain
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 11:36am On May 24, 2023
StudyBarn:
Hey Ukrainian troglodyte, how many % of Nigeria is the UK occupying. Putin is correcting the Nikita Khrushchev’s stupid mistake of giving Crimea to Ukraine SSR.

Russia occupies 20% of Ukraine by the way. More soon
Who gave the name Nigeria to this country?
Who amalgamated the North and Southern Nigeria?

Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?


I am going with your train of thought!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by PoliteActivist: 11:37am On May 24, 2023
Adjovi:
Only an idiot will in the first place expect Ukraine to beat Russia in battle.....NATO cannot save Ukraine the earlier Ukraine goes back to the Minsk agreement the better for them. NATO cannot do more than they are doing. The fighter jets they want to give Ukraine stands no chance against Russias air defence system which is the best air defence system in the world ahead of Israel's iron Dome self. The more the war rages on, the tighter the doors of peace closes on Ukraine.......
Don't forget this was supposed to be a cake walk for Russia, a police action that wouldn't take up to a week.
While saying what Ukraine can't do don’t forget that!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 11:38am On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
The complete collapse of western hegemony remains the goal.
So, you will close your eyes to injustice done to a free nation!


You will note that you haven't been able to say in certain fact what Ukraine DID to offend you!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 11:41am On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
Where were you when legit elected Yanukovich was ousted by US coup in Kiev?
That grave mistake took place in 2014. Ukraine is still paying the price till 2moro cry

People who were singing "Ukraine is winning" are suddenly crying that Ukraine is bleeding.
Fake news has fallen flat on its face...

Russia jejely left Cuba when US demanded that they should exit Cuba during the Cuban missile crisis.
US led Nato terrorists should have jejely left Ukraine. They felt Russia is too small to resist, they fvcked around & found out the hard way.

Ukraine remains destroyed.
You will notice that you couldn't answer my questions!

1. Was NATO in Ukraine in 2014 where was their headquarters?
2. What was Putin's objective for annexing Cremia?
3. Was Putin successful in his reaction in 2014?
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:07pm On May 24, 2023
able20:
Na waa for Putin sef, he should tamper justice with mercy.
But the USA and UK press are the worst propagandist on earth.
Even with the physical destruction going on in Ukraine, the selfish NATO still encourages Ukraine to keep up the fight against Russia, one day they will defeat Russia.
They call it a motivational speech
Lol they don't value Ukraine life's

Even USA values Russia life's that why you hear Biden saying Russia lost many people in the war you will not hear him say Ukraine lost many because they don't value Ukraine.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by sweetgala(m): 12:08pm On May 24, 2023
God1000:
Coming from another dictator, he's a friend of Putin, why should NATO send troops when Ukraine isn't a member of the military alliance? That will lead to world war III.

Putin should withdraw his soldiers from Ukraine, then there will be peace.

You invaded my country, killed my people, destroyed the infrastructure and expect me to negotiate with you
They're sending billions of dollars, missiles, planes. I read some 40 F16s are being sent, already have 16 with the remaining 28 coming through.

Short of sending troops and a nuclear warhead they've done it all and this war is just increasingly protracted.

There is no victory for either side but a victory for America who got a country to fight a proxy war to deplete the Russian war resources while taking little to no arm. How many Ukrainian refugees have the Americans taken in while in Europe there is upheaval because the borders are bursting.

Ukraine is one of the largest nations on Europe with a large population this war was a very bad idea
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:11pm On May 24, 2023
PoliteActivist:
You keep saying this. How is evil empire Russia your mother? Please explain
Russia is not evil compared to USA evil nato

Mother Russia gave birth to many nations that why we call her mother Russia.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly: 12:11pm On May 24, 2023
TenQ:
You will notice that you couldn't answer my questions!

1. Was NATO in Ukraine in 2014 where was their headquarters?
2. What was Putin's objective for annexing Cremia?
3. Was Putin successful in his reaction in 2014?
1. Yes, the US was in Ukraine in 2014. That's why Yanukovich was toppled.
2. Putin annexed Crimea to protect Russia's security interests.
3. Putin was far too patient after the coup in 2014. Many provocations were ignored till Russia couldn't take them anymore...

Ethnic Russians, the Russian language/culture etc were being obliterated by Kiev, while western leaders & fake news cheered their Kiev puppets...

Again, talking from now till next year will never restore Ukraine. That place remains ruined.

The main target of Russia & its allies is western hegemony. They will never give up until they end it completely...

Stay tuned!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly:
TenQ:
So, you will close your eyes to injustice done to a free nation!


You will note that you haven't been able to say in certain fact what Ukraine DID to offend you!
I don't listen to fake, hypocritical, brainwashed folks.
Western narrative is full of sh!t. I've known this for many years. If that narrative is what you promote & sell, forget it! I can NEVER be your customer...

People who were mute when US destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan etc have no business lecturing us about Ukraine.

US is presently occupying oil rich parts of Syria & stealing their oil.
Y'all are acting ignorant... 🤡

Ukraine's destruction is paining you, but you never cared about the destruction of Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan etc. FAKE MORALIST!🤮
You are not even angry at your western lords for the brutal slavery they subjected your forefathers to. 🤡🤡

Uncle Tom 🤣.

This tells me there is something terribly wrong with you...

Continue o, IDGAF!
But just know that Ukraine remains destroyed & western hegemony is next.

Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Kingsnairaland(m): 12:30pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
I don't listen to fake, hypocritical, brainwashed folks.
Western narrative is full of sh!t. I've known this for many years. If that narrative is what you promote, forget it. I'm not your audience...

People who were mute when US destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan etc have no business lecturing us about Ukraine.

US is presently occupying oil rich parts of Syria & stealing their oil.
Y'all are acting ignorant... 🤡

Continue o, but just know that Ukraine remains destroyed & western hegemony is next.
USA and UK invest in billions in cnn and BBC fake news propaganda

ONE Germany journalist revealed how he was paid to twist events and run it as facts

He said he was shocked that it was acceptable to his boss the editor
He took the money but hated the job
It deep.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 12:32pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
1. Yes, the US was in Ukraine in 2014. That's why Yanukovich was toppled.
The name of the coup leader please!

Bossly:
2. Putin annexed Crimea to protect Russia's security interests.
So Putin invaded Ukraine because his friend was toppled from Government.
1. Why annex the land corridor to Crimea: was it because of Putin security interest?
2. Ukraine is not a Nuclear power and is at least 10 times smaller in every way to Russia, what was then the exact security risk to Russia?

Bossly:
3. Putin was far too patient after the coup in 2014. Many provocations were ignored till Russia couldn't take them anymore...

Ethnic Russians, the Russian language/culture etc were being obliterated by Kiev, while western leaders & fake news cheered their Kiev puppets...
1. Did Putin send weapons and armed men into Ukraine to distabilize Ukraine from 2014?
2. Is it right to invade another country for the purpose of annexing their territory?

Bossly:
Again, talking from now till next year will never restore Ukraine. That place remains ruined.
The main target of Russia & its allies is western hegemony. They will never give up until they end it completely...
Stay tuned!
Unfortunately the thousands of fatherless children on both sides can never be restored thanks to Putin
The shame of Russia and her military rating has fallen significantly.

Thanks to Putin, China is now world's number TWO in millitary strength.

A war veteran like Putin couldn't defeat a Comedian well over a year now! What a shame.

Greed and Dumbness lead Putin to this level of disgrace!

Sweden and Norway will soon have nuclear missiles pointing towards Moscow in case they misbehave
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 12:32pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
1. Yes, the US was in Ukraine in 2014. That's why Yanukovich was toppled.
The name of the coup leader please!

Bossly:
2. Putin annexed Crimea to protect Russia's security interests.
So Putin invaded Ukraine because his friend was toppled from Government.
1. Why annex the land corridor to Crimea: was it because of Putin security interest?
2. Ukraine is not a Nuclear power and is at least 10 times smaller in every way to Russia, what was then the exact security risk to Russia?

Bossly:
3. Putin was far too patient after the coup in 2014. Many provocations were ignored till Russia couldn't take them anymore...

Ethnic Russians, the Russian language/culture etc were being obliterated by Kiev, while western leaders & fake news cheered their Kiev puppets...
1. Did Putin send weapons and armed men into Ukraine to distabilize Ukraine from 2014?
2. Is it right to invade another country for the purpose of annexing their territory?

Bossly:
Again, talking from now till next year will never restore Ukraine. That place remains ruined.
The main target of Russia & its allies is western hegemony. They will never give up until they end it completely...
Stay tuned!
Unfortunately the thousands of fatherless children on both sides can never be restored thanks to Putin
The shame of Russia and her military rating has fallen significantly.

Thanks to Putin, China is now world's number TWO in millitary strength.

A war veteran like Putin couldn't defeat a Comedian well over a year now! What a shame.

Greed and Dumbness lead Putin to this level of disgrace!

Sweden and Norway will soon have nuclear missiles pointing towards Moscow in case they misbehave
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 12:35pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
I don't listen to fake, hypocritical, brainwashed folks.
Western narrative is full of sh!t. I've known this for many years. If that narrative is what you promote & sell, forget it! I can NEVER be your customer...

People who were mute when US destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan etc have no business lecturing us about Ukraine.

US is presently occupying oil rich parts of Syria & stealing their oil.
Y'all are acting ignorant... 🤡

Continue o, but just know that Ukraine remains destroyed & western hegemony is next.
I don't listen to western news. I listen to independent news on both sides of the divide.

Putin was Stupid and Greedy at the same time.

What was wrong in Putin bringing Ukraine into her sphere of influence in a friendly non aggressive manner.

But he wanted another man's land: which he took in 2014
Now he needed more but was met with disgrace.


What would you have adviced Ukraine to do?
If you were Zelensky, what would you have done?
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly: 12:40pm On May 24, 2023
Cry more 😭
Ukraine remains ruined.

Western thugs can't do sh!t



TenQ:
I don't listen to western news. I listen to independent news on both sides of the divide.

Putin was Stupid and Greedy at the same time.

What was wrong in Putin bringing Ukraine into her sphere of influence in a friendly non aggressive manner.

But he wanted another man's land: which he took in 2014
Now he needed more but was met with disgrace.


What would you have adviced Ukraine to do?
If you were Zelensky, what would you have done?
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly: 12:46pm On May 24, 2023
TenQ:
Sweden and Norway will soon have nuclear missiles pointing towards Moscow in case they misbehave
Werey, so you even know why Boss Vlad is pounding ukraine. You com dey mumu your self since.
Ukraine wont be hosting nuclear missiles that will threaten Russia.
They're ruined.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly:
TenQ:
I don't listen to western news.
LIES.

You are pained about Ukraine's destruction because of western narrative.

You are not even pained about the brutal slavery your western lords meted on your forefathers. 🤡

Not long ago, una been dey sing "Ukraine is winning" because of the same western narrative (fake news).
Today una eyes don clear...🤣
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by StudyBarn: 1:02pm On May 24, 2023
TenQ:
Who gave the name Nigeria to this country?
Who amalgamated the North and Southern Nigeria?

Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?


I am going with your train of thought!
They let you keep 80%, Ukraine is an artificial state . And Britain is not carpet combing Nigeria at least not yet. People from Artemovsk can testify.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by ocelot2006(m): 1:33pm On May 24, 2023
God1000:
Coming from another dictator, he's a friend of Putin, why should NATO send troops when Ukraine isn't a member of the military alliance? That will lead to world war III.

Putin should withdraw his soldiers from Ukraine, then there will be peace.

You invaded my country, killed my people, destroyed the infrastructure and expect me to negotiate with you
Yeah ....let's CONVENIENTLY forget that NATO instigated this whole mess with it's eastward expansion towards the Russian border, than went further, along with the EU and the Ukrainian far right, to instigate the Euromaidan and the coup the pushed out a democratically elected President , thus leading 1st to the civil war between east and west Ukraine, and now this. Oh, did I forget that same group along with the Ukrainians CHOSE to ignore the MINSK agreements.


But oh no, blame the big bad Russian Federation, even though the Russians have been warning about this for DECADES. I just pity the Ukrainians who just chose to be used like this. Frankly it's just absolute stupidity on their part.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 1:42pm On May 24, 2023
StudyBarn:
They let you keep 80%, Ukraine is an artificial state . And Britain is not carpet combing Nigeria at least not yet. People from Artemovsk can testify.
Why is it difficult to answer
Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?
Who gave the name Nigeria to this country?
Who amalgamated the North and Southern Nigeria?

Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 1:46pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
LIES.

You are pained about Ukraine's destruction because of western narrative.

You are not even pained about the brutal slavery your western lords meted on your forefathers. 🤡

Not long ago, una been dey sing "Ukraine is winning" because of the same western narrative (fake news).
Today una eyes don clear...🤣
I didn't know you are a Dibia with white chalk on your eyes to see!

A Comedian lead country had held Russia by the balls for trespassing onto their land. They hypersonic missiles shot down and now we know that the Chinese hypersonic missiles is much better than that of Russia's. T90 armoured tank has been disgraced by Javelins and co.

I pray that any strong neighbour that want to cheat you will be disgraced as Putin has been frustrated! Amen
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 1:47pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
Werey, so you even know why Boss Vlad is pounding ukraine. You com dey mumu your self since.
Ukraine wont be hosting nuclear missiles that will threaten Russia.
They're ruined.
You don't want to admit the truth:
Putin has finally chased Ukraine into the waiting arms of both EU and NATO!

It was an invasion that backfired!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 1:49pm On May 24, 2023
Bossly:
Cry more 😭
Ukraine remains ruined.

Western thugs can't do sh!t
Boohoo!
It pained you I said

Putin was Stupid and Greedy at the same time.

Now Sweden, Norway and Ukraine will all be part of NATO!

I can't wait for the Ukrainian Spring offensive
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by PoliteActivist:
Kingsnairaland:
Russia is not evil compared to USA evil nato

Mother Russia gave birth to many nations that why we call her mother Russia.
Explain "gave birth". Same way they tried to give birth to Ukraine, thought it would take a week. Now the birth has been going on for over a year yet still no end in sight!
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by StudyBarn: 2:29pm On May 24, 2023
TenQ:
Why is it difficult to answer
Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?
Who gave the name Nigeria to this country?
Who amalgamated the North and Southern Nigeria?

Is it true that Great Britain own Nigeria?
Ask the Kalibr class missiles.
Lol the UK colonized Nigeria
Ukraine was the playground and farm for the Russian empire for centuries.

When Nigeria joins an Anti-UK defense pact and the cruise missiles start falling we can discuss the ownership of Nigeria.

And yeah the African colonies are still totally owned by the colonial masters and their corrupt, drug addled minions ruling the countries kinda like Ukraine.
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by TenQ: 3:06pm On May 24, 2023
StudyBarn:
Ask the Kalibr class missiles.
Lol the UK colonized Nigeria
Ukraine was the playground and farm for the Russian empire for centuries.

When Nigeria joins an Anti-UK defense pact and the cruise missiles start falling we can discuss the ownership of Nigeria.

And yeah the African colonies are still totally owned by the colonial masters and their corrupt, drug addled minions ruling the countries kinda like Ukraine.
I'm sure you never heard of Kyivan-Rus in your life. Learn your history!


If you can claim that Great Britain, France and Portugal own Africa, what else is there to say than to walk away before one get bitten
Re: There Is No Victory For The Poor Ukrainians - Hungary PM, Orban by Bossly: 3:24pm On May 24, 2023
Donate more tears 😭
Ukraine remains ruined, western hegemony is next!

You crane 🇺🇦
You crying 😭


TenQ:
Boohoo!
It pained you I said

Putin was Stupid and Greedy at the same time.

Now Sweden, Norway and Ukraine will all be part of NATO!

I can't wait for the Ukrainian Spring offensive
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