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| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Ogene001: 9:57am On May 25, 2023 |
JaredH:Kano state is very backwards. Don't be deceived by few beautification inside Kano City. Most of you don't travel sha |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 10:44am On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:I don't know why Muslims are quick to bring up the transatlantic slave trade perpetrated by Christians. Are you being disingenuous or you just dont know that Arabs enslaved Africans aswell and it was way worse than the transatlantic one? Arabs did it for 1500 years..Oh and are still doing it. They castrated black men and 80% of the people taken were women because Muslims have a fetish for sex slavery. Up till today, it continues. Mauritania and Libya are modern slavery perpetrators. The common denominator with both countries are Arab Muslims. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 10:57am On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:Lol. Muslims are born, not made. The only reason Islam is the fastest religion is because they shit out kids more than other demographic. It's a tactic, just like love jihad. Nobody is converting to Islam. They simply have kids more than any other demographic. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 11:00am On May 25, 2023 |
Couldntfigurean:The reason they hate igbo is because Igbos represent Christianity as they're more religiously homogenous. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by JaredH: 11:26am On May 25, 2023 |
freshkpomo:uae takes in your prostituting edo sisters too |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by STRI1: 11:46am On May 25, 2023 |
1Sharon:When you've dedicated your life to emotional hate. You'll only wail your way to doom This is Islam having over 100% population increase in Japan yearly. Anyway. You hate changes nothing. Than your pain which only affect you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wF1zPy4_oQ |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 11:52am On May 25, 2023 |
gawu1:Produce evidence. The incursion of Islamic caliphate into Yorubaland ended in 1840 in Oshogbo. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 11:52am On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:By breeding like rats.... |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 11:59am On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:You ve said nothing. All these are evidence of invasion in the name of immigration. Why don't u show us the black and Indian population in Europe and America within same time frame so u could see your folly. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 11:59am On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:Did you even pay attention to the video at all ? Most of the Muslims in Japan are not indigenous. They are immigrants and they have helped skew the statistics on Muslims in Japan. My point still stands that Muslims are born and not made. Majority of native Japanese people hate Islam and always will! Notice that you hardly hear of terrorist attacks in Japan? Coincidence? I think not. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Jones4190(m): 12:01pm On May 25, 2023 |
DaTruths:who is a terrorist between him and you? olodo |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by STRI1: 12:03pm On May 25, 2023 |
1Sharon:Mention just ONE terrorist atta k in any of the Islamic gulf countries and turkey, Iran this year. Just one your hate changes nothing about the fastest growing religion and about 2 billion Muslims |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Airlord2030: 12:05pm On May 25, 2023 |
Ogene001:igboland is the shithole capital of nigeria I have been there more than five times |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by STRI1: 12:06pm On May 25, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Whatever you call it disprove the fact that it's the fastest growing religion on earth with over 2 billion population |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 12:10pm On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:Why only this year? 😂 You know what you're doing. As I said before, nobody is converting to Islam. They simply have more children on average and any attempt to leave the faith is met with violent resistance. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 12:26pm On May 25, 2023 |
1Sharon:What are you rambling about? And can’t you see that I cited “Trans-Saharan Slavery” in my post? Or perhaps you want me to explain “Trans-Saharan Slavery” to you since it seems you can’t grasp what it entails? I don’t care about whatever fetish they have since the same is applicable to Christians, especially OG Christianity, which is the Catholic Church. The priests are still molesting kids (which is a tradition to them) and homosexuality is cultural to them. Anyway, that’s off-point. You claimed Islam hasn’t contributed anything to humanity (which is an idiotic lie) and I just wanted to refute the claim. Islam arguably contributed more to modern civilisation than Christianity since Muslims were the catalyst for European renaissance. Without them - Europe would still be stuck in the dark ages. A lot of you need to get your heads out of your arses and stop letting hate becloud your sense of reasoning. You can’t acquire knowledge with hate in your heart. You probably need stop focusing solely on Arabs when it comes to Islam and perhaps also look at Persians since they’re also Muslims. And no one can deny their immense contributions to the modern world. Also, some of the greatest civilisations in West Africa were Muslim civilisations. Christianity didn’t build zilch in West Africa - Islam and indigenous religions ran the show and civilised the people. BTW, I’m not a Muslim. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 12:39pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:So it's okay for you to talk about what the Catholic Church has done but I'm telling you about Islam and you want to label it hate? The Arabs didn't just take Africans across the sahara, they were also take to the middle East. What the Arabs did was far worse. At least the Europeans freed black slaves, the Arabs never intended to free their slaves and it disturbed them to know that blacks were being converted to Islam because in Islam, enslaving another Muslim in unacceptable. I never said Arabs didn't contribute anything to humanity. They did, but for Africans, they were a source of pain Arabs mainly brought religious education to Africa. And Africans didn't need that. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 12:48pm On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:What's my business with your numbers, as if that's something to cheer about. Whites are the smallest ethnic group in the world yet the most powerful and influential force in our world. What has your population brought to the world If not sorrow, tears and blood shedding wherever it goes. Look at Nigeria, Muslim are in the majority yet the most backward, violent and primitive. Least likely to contribute towards the positivity of Nigeria. Buhari brough his fanatical Islamic ideology to the centre and Nigeria became a disaster. When I was in medical school, 90% of the medical students were Christians, 99% of our consultants were Christians in a state that's 50.50 Muslim-christian. U will never see Muslims where it matters, it always useless things like breeding like rats. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 12:56pm On May 25, 2023*. Modified: 1:12pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:To say Christianity didn't build zilch is crass ignorance from your side. Christianity gave Africans the chance to embrace western education, the bedrock of modern technology. They gave u education, written language and in some areas- humanity and civilisation. Anywhere Christianity step foot in Africa, they build church and schools simultaneously. The so called ajami script wasn't widespread and most African languages were unwritten until christian linguistics started developing Latinised alphabets for African languages. Yes Islamic civilization was impressive in west Africa but had disappeared by the turn of the 19th century. The Timbuktu legacy was already dead and explorers who visited the town in the 18th and 19th century were shocked to find a desolate village with nothing to show for its past. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Ezeama400: 1:10pm On May 25, 2023 |
STRI1:Of what use is empty big head on the shoulder if the head is not active ? That Islam is growing, will that make them overtake Christians ? Ok let's assume they will overtake Christians what's the essence of having population if u can't influence global politics ? There is a reason why no Muslim country is a member of UN security council..( Read the last line again) |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 1:14pm On May 25, 2023 |
1Sharon:Lol, I only cited some of the ills of Christianity and Roman Catholic Church as rebuttal to show that Christianity is just as evil since you only want to focus on the negative aspects of Islam. The crusades are still ongoing - they just had a facelift. I don’t even like Arabs and a lot of tribes in Africa that act like Arabs, especially Fulanis (I also don’t hate them). However, I just think it’s disingenuous to act like Islam is all about Jihad and it’s not the catalyst for modern civilisation. Personally, I think a lot of people look at the 19th century Fulani jihad and think that’s what Islam has to offer. Islam got to west Africa in the 8th century and it built a lot of civilisations. Islam for example got to Yorubaland in the 1400s through one of the Madinka subgroups who were traders and they were allowed to practise their religion Oyo empire. And subsequently the King built a mosque for them and some Yorubas converted to Islam willingly. If the religion was that problematic - that wouldn’t have happened because it’s at the height of Oyo empire and its great cavalry. Fulani Jihad came about 400yrs later in the 19th century and they were more of marauders using Islam to steal lands than Muslims and weren’t different from British marauding pirates that used Christianity to enslave people and steal lands. BTW, what black slaves did they free? Lol. Most black people are still European slaves - they just don’t know it. Anyway, leave Arabs and focus on Persians because they were the first to outlaw slavery and give people equal rights. And they’re Muslims. And give Islam the credit it deserves |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 1:29pm On May 25, 2023 |
SIRTee15:What do you mean by “they gave you”? And learn how to be civil when quoting me - the use of “crass ignorance” is inappropriate and disrespectful. A form of ‘civilisation’ that makes you dependent on a bigger civilisation is more of a client state than a real civilisation. There’s no ingenuity and complexity associated with the term “civilisation”, in copying - it has to come from within and modern African states lack that. Conversely, medieval west African states had it in abundance with Islam and traditional religions and they were able to build some of the most advanced states without outside interference. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 2:00pm On May 25, 2023*. Modified: 3:35pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:You referred to someone as 'idiotic lie' because she said Islam has contributed nothing to humanity. But started foaming in the mouth when u were caught out writing nonsense about Christianity. You not only ignorant but a big hypocrite, that's why u speaking from both sides of the mouth. Go and learn about civilisation before u start displaying your ignorance again. Which is civilisation is ever independent, are u not the one here saying Europeans civilisation copied from Persians and Arab. And which Timbuktu civilisation was independent? Tell me about the so called ingenuity. Was it the madrass, the university, libraries, scholars? Was the medicine or chemistry they taught different from the ones in Baghdad university?. How many of their Islamic scholars teachings on Islamic jurisprudence was eventually adopted into mainstream Islamic hadiths. Modern technology is based on Western civilisation. Embrace it and make the best use out of it. The Chinese who are likely to become the next goal superpower did not invent any new civilisation or returned to their old ming dynasty civilization. The penetrated the western civilization, got what they want out of it and left out the rubbish. We should do the same in Africa. The problem with blacks is we overrepresenting in the bad things with western culture and absolutely non existent in the positive aspect. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by 1Sharon(f): 2:09pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:Christianity is evil, granted. I proved to you that is Islam is far more sinister. Islam is not a progressive religion, it's regressive. What civilizations did they establish in Africa outside mosques and other religious institutions? Foreign religions is not what Africans need! To hell with their mosques. Do you know that there are afro-persians and do you know their plight? Marginalised. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 2:37pm On May 25, 2023*. Modified: 2:52pm On May 25, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Lol, you sound very emotional and I’m sure you were about to cry whilst typing this incoherent rambling. I’m guessing you’re one of these brainwashed and half-baked Bible thumping clowns who are perpetual victims of pulpit pimps who sell “faith and prosperity” whilst robbing your hard earned money. Take heart - it’s a dog eat dog world. Someone has to sell the dreams and the gullible ones who’re foolish enough to buy it would’ve have to get on with it, lol. You’re not only half-baked - you sound like a functional illiterate with fried brain cells. I shouldn’t even be engaging you because I’m losing brain cells in the act but I’ll do it for the sake of it. Let’s get back the original post I quoted: the poster claimed Islam has contributed zilch to humanity. And my rebuttal was to basically highlight some of the immense contributions of Islam/Muslims. However, what got under your skin, as a Bible thumping git, is my claim that Christianity has built zilch in West Africa while Islam and indigenous religions built the greatest civilisations in the same region. So, if you disagree with that - the onus is on you to list the civilisation(s) Christianity built in West Africa. Wholesale copy and paste isn’t civilisation - there has to be ingenuity and complexities involved to attain that status. Even the Islamic civilisations in west Africa had a lot of indigenous aspects of it hence the creation of Sufi Islam which is indigenous to West Africa - that’s the element of ingenuity I was alluding to. Europe copied the Islamic civilisations and added elements of its own to create western civilisation - that’s the ingenuity I’m alluding to. China copied western civilisation without the religion (unlike Africans) and created a unique system that works for China - that’s the ingenuity I’m alluding to. Brainwashed and braindead Bible thumping African gorillas like you got flogged into accepting Christianity and lost your sense of reasoning whilst becoming a slave to a religion that enslaved you. And no matter how you twist it - Christianity is yet to build a civilisation in West Africa. But it did build gazillion of Churches for clowns like you to part ways with your money - to pulpit pimps, in exchange for faith while dickeating white people. Too bad, it lacks the requisite ingenuity associated with civilisation, lol. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 2:42pm On May 25, 2023 |
1Sharon:I’m not an advocate of foreign religion. However, you can’t gloss over the immense contributions of Islam/Muslims to humanity. It’s humongous. That’s basically why I quoted you. If not, I would’ve not posted on the thread. |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 3:09pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper:If a pastor swindled u of your money, pls sort it out with him or involve the police. Dont put your frustration on me, I'm not responsible for your stupidity, because I don't see why you all over the place lamenting about churches or pastors. U very shallow, debating with u is waste of time. Go and read about civilisation, culture and religious dynamism. Your statement on Sufi Islam confirms u just confabulating based on your ignorance. Let's ask chat gpt about Sufi Islam. Sufi Islam is not indigenous to West Africa in the sense that it did not originate there. Sufism is a mystical and spiritual dimension of Islam that emerged in the 8th century in the Middle East, specifically in what is now Iraq. Now thank me for curing your ignorance, at least u won't repeat such again. Meanwhile continue hoping on Jesus Christ to build black first successful civilisation while u continue to elect useless leaders. The bible has a word for u When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverb 29.2
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| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by Creeper: 4:10pm On May 25, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Lol, you’re still arguing blindly, you functional retard. Googling and ChatGPT won’t teach you real history - you acquire knowledge by reading far and wide. The origin of Sufi Islam is still disputed - some claim it’s India, some claim it’s Iraq, some claim it’s Africa. But evidence of Sufi Islam became a thing after Umayyad Caliphate, which the Maghreb/Mauritania was part of. And the original inhabitants of Maghreb/Mauritania were Balfour people - who’re part of the larger Mandinka group that built Ghana empire (not Ghana the country), Mali empire and Songhay empire. The type of Islam they practiced allowed the mesh of African mysticism and Islam which is what Sufism allows. So, I credit them with it since it’s indigenous to the region. And most people practicing Sufism today are Africans. Anyway, that’s beside the point and don’t run from my question. So, I will ask again: can you cite the civilisation(s) that Christianity built in West Africa? Every student of history is aware of the golden age of Islam in west Africa and the great civilisations/empires it built. Ditto indigenous African religions. Cite the one built by Christianity. I await your response, Mr. SlaveTee15 |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SpatialKing(m): 4:11pm On May 25, 2023 |
Proudly Igbo |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by osothermal(m): 4:29pm On May 25, 2023 |
lordkush:You're right, the Esans stopped the further invasion of the Fulani jihadists to the South. Esan Oye ! |
| Re: African tribes who resisted Islam & Arabicisation. Historically &/or Currently. by SIRTee15: 5:21pm On May 25, 2023 |
Creeper: see otondo claiming ajala. As if he's been to any African country in his life. Yet claiming authority in Timbuktu. Download chat gpt and argue with it. Semi- literate Nigerians are big headache. Creeper:See this one baiting me with strawman argument. I'm a proud afrocentrist for your info. So u barking at the wrong tree regarding Christian civilization. Talk to me about black civilization and I will respond. Your stinking hypocrisy is what I'm pointing out here... Christianity didn’t build zilch in West Africa - Islam and indigenous religions ran the show and civilised the people. Christian missionaries brought u education, introduced western technology, taught u how to read and write in your native language. They discouraged pagan practice in some areas like canibalism, infanticide and human ritual. Gave twins the chance to live. They condemned slave trade in west Africa while your so called Islamic civilization encouraged it so long as u not a Muslim. Yet u had the audacity to claim they did nothing. Something is wrong with that your cone head, it needs panel beating. |
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see otondo claiming ajala.