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LordReed:
When are you going to understand that dimension doesn't mean realm? A dimension is a descriptive term for a type of measurement. Length, breath, height, time, etc are all the dimensions that describe the universe we live in. They are not realms!

If you checked carefully, I have been very hesitant to use the word realm! I have extensively spoken about spatial dimensions only extending it into the 4D.
AND because this is NOT pure science nor a discussion of Mathematics, I related 4D to the spiritual comparing and relating observables that could occur.

Also, even though I could use time as a dimension, to keep this simple, I have removed it from the subject of discussion.

My argument had consistently been that if their was a 4th dimension of length (a spatial dimension), there is no way we can observe it. QED!

LordReed:
Then your statement is just an exercise in taking something to absurdity for no reason since you aren't really disagreeing. A meridian, longitude and latitude are not real objects just concepts for describing the earth for location purposes same with the dimensions we are discussing.

A triangle is a concept and exists as much as concepts exist. Also you can make an object the follows the principles of the concept of a triangle that would also be described as a triangle so yes triangle can be an object.

If the Triangle can be an object, then all his arguments fall flat. The only problem anyone can have is when they want to say that a Triangle must be perfectly flat and infinitely thin.

His arguments were
1. Only 3D exist and 1D, 2D or 4D are just excercise on paper
2. Only 3D objects exist

This was why I asked: if a circle or square be 2D object.

TenQ:
If the Triangle can be an object, then all his arguments fall flat. The only problem anyone can have is when they want to say that a Triangle must be perfectly flat and infinitely thin.

His arguments were
1. Only 3D exist and 1D, 2D or 4D are just excercise on paper
2. Only 3D objects exist

This was why I asked: if a circle or square be 2D object.

That was not his argument AT ALL.

TenQ:
If you checked carefully, I have been very hesitant to use the word realm! I have extensively spoken about spatial dimensions only extending it into the 4D.
AND because this is NOT pure science nor a discussion of Mathematics, I related 4D to the spiritual comparing and relating observables that could occur.

Also, even though I could use time as a dimension, to keep this simple, I have removed it from the subject of discussion.

My argument had consistently been that if their was a 4th dimension of length (a spatial dimension), there is no way we can observe it. QED!

That is because that is the way you are using it! You are use 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D as if you talking about different realms.

Your relating 4D to a "spiritual realm" clearly shows what you are doing and why it is simply wrong.

Wilgrea7:
The only possible answers are that something has always existed, and that something came from nothing. Both positions are equally absurd. Because we're left asking the question 'Why?'

Since we know our universe had a beginning, you posit that higher dimensions exist, and at the highest dimension, something has always been existing. You call this something a "God". You're arguing in favor of the "something has always existed" position.

I want to say 2 things.
Firstly, even if we have evidence of “Uncaused First-Cause of Everything” it doesn’t mean it is “God”, if you look at the argument supporting this notion, the attributes, features, qualities and characteristics of this “ Uncaused First-Cause of Everything” does not tally or correspond to the Monotheistic definition of God, so even if someone accepts this “ Uncaused First-Cause of Everything” it doesn’t mean they accept theism, hence still reject Monotheist Gods.

Secondly, i think “nothing” is much more than just the conventional definition of it.
Nothing comes from No—Thing, not a thing.
thing.
The term thing came from the Old English ping, meaning "entity", "being", "body", or "matter".
So Nothing exist, without being in existence.

LordReed:
That is because that is the way you are using it! You are use 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D as if you talking about different realms.

Your relating 4D to a "spiritual realm" clearly shows what you are doing and why it is simply wrong.

Like I've said: I rarely used the word realms.
I'm not sure I've even used it once in this discussion

AudioMonkey:
TenQ is muddled-up between theories and reality.
These are my discussions with him:
I never ever said other dimensions outside 3D don't exist. I only said as regards "space/objects" (matter or particle or whatever else physical objects), only 3D objects exist in real life.
0D/1D/2D/4D don't relate to real objects, rather they relate to "perception" of those objects and theoretical depiction of those objects, on paper for example.
You can "perceive" the 1D/2D view of a real-life object but the object itself is 3D in real-life.
You can depict the 2D cross-section of an object on paper but the object remains 3D in real life.
When you slice any object into millions pieces and view under microscope, you'll always see a 3D structure.
When you merge multiple objects, they don't form 4D object, you're still gonna end up with 3D object.

I understand since his infancy days and everywhere online @TenQ has been taught about 2D shapes and maybe 4D Tesseract, so he finds it hard to suddenly accept all these things don't exist in real life.
When you cut a circle or rectangle from cardboard or any flattest material ever possible, you'll end up with a 3D shape because no matter how infinitesimal, you'll find out it has a height/depth.
"Any object must posses all the 3 xyz or LBH before it can even exist in the first place."

I already attached a Google search supporting my explanation and told @TenQ to search online, Quora, Chatgpt or wherever else and show me real life 2D objects, but he couldn't. He rather kept on arguing blindly and confused.

I asked you a simple question:


Is a Triangle or a Circle 2D object ?

LordReed:
That was not his argument AT ALL.

You may defend him then!

LordReed:
That is because that is the way you are using it! You are use 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D as if you talking about different realms.

Your relating 4D to a "spiritual realm" clearly shows what you are doing and why it is simply wrong.

I understand you, even if there is 4D, it will just be another ADDED dimension just like length, breadth, depth, it doesn’t mean it is a “realm” for worshipping one deity.

TenQ

Maynthemayn:
I understand you, even if there is 4D, it will just be another ADDED dimension just like length, breadth, depth, it doesn’t mean it is a “realm” for worshipping one deity.

TenQ

You got it.

TenQ:
Like I've said: I rarely used the word realms.
I'm not sure I've even used it once in this discussion

I never said you did, I said you are using 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D as if you talking about different realms.

TenQ:
You may defend him then!

He is quite capable of defending himself, I just want to add whatever insight I can so that you get understanding.

AudioMonkey:
TenQ is muddled-up between theories and reality.
These are my discussions with him:
I never ever said other dimensions outside 3D don't exist. I only said as regards "space/objects" (matter or particle or whatever else physical objects), only 3D objects exist in real life.
0D/1D/2D/4D don't relate to real objects, rather they relate to "perception" of those objects and theoretical depiction of those objects, on paper for example.
You can "perceive" the 1D/2D view of a real-life object but the object itself is 3D in real-life.
You can depict the 2D cross-section of an object on paper but the object remains 3D in real life.
When you slice any object into millions pieces and view under microscope, you'll always see a 3D structure.
When you merge multiple objects, they don't form 4D object, you're still gonna end up with 3D object.

I understand since his infancy days and everywhere online @TenQ has been taught about 2D shapes and maybe 4D Tesseract, so he finds it hard to suddenly accept all these things don't exist in real life.
When you cut a circle or rectangle from cardboard or any flattest material ever possible, you'll end up with a 3D shape because no matter how infinitesimal, you'll find out it has a height/depth.
"Any object must posses all the 3 xyz or LBH before it can even exist in the first place."

I already attached a Google search supporting my explanation and told @TenQ to search online, Quora, Chatgpt or wherever else and show me real life 2D objects, but he couldn't. He rather kept on arguing blindly and confused.

I salute your attempt. The time lapse/motion blur picture example was the perfect example to get your point across. It is unfortunate he still isn't grasping it.

LordReed:
I never said you did, I said you are using 1D, 2D, 3D, 4D as if you talking about different realms.

No sir.

I've used them in terms of SPACE!

LordReed:
You got it.

The argument never even got close to this with you!

Instead of enjoying the stretching of imagination of the extension of 1D, to 2D to 3D and then to 4D, all you are seeing is that TenQ want you to worship his God!

This is myopic thinking!

Maynthemayn:
I understand you, even if there is 4D, it will just be another ADDED dimension just like length, breadth, depth, it doesn’t mean it is a “realm” for worshipping one deity.

TenQ

The argument never even got close to this with you!

Instead of enjoying the stretching of imagination of the extension of 1D, to 2D to 3D and then to 4D, all you are seeing is that TenQ want you to worship his God!

This is myopic thinking!

TenQ:
No sir.

I've used them in terms of SPACE!

Define space.

TenQ:
The argument never even got close to this with you!

Instead of enjoying the stretching of imagination of the extension of 1D, to 2D to 3D and then to 4D, all you are seeing is that TenQ want you to worship his God!

This is myopic thinking!

You can hide from yourself all you want but you are as transparent as a thin sheet of glass.

LordReed:
Define space.

Space as in domain of influence of dimensions!

TenQ:
Space as in domain of influence of dimensions!

How are dimensions influencing anything?

LordReed:
You can hide from yourself all you want but you are as transparent as a thin sheet of glass.

Thank God for that!

This was why Instead of focusing on the intellectual discussion ALL you are chasing is to prove that the spiritual doesn't exist.

With you, I've didn't even come to the level to talk anything akin to the spiritual!

LordReed:
How are dimensions influencing anything?

Correction please:
Space as in domain of influence in terms dimensions!

TenQ:
Correction please:
Space as in domain of influence in terms dimensions!

Influence of what?

TenQ:
The argument never even got close to this with you!

Instead of enjoying the stretching of imagination of the extension of 1D, to 2D to 3D and then to 4D, all you are seeing is that TenQ want you to worship his God!

This is myopic thinking!

I have been asking you to define what dimension means, all what you are saying are in fiction,it doesn’t exist.
Of course i am enjoying the imagination of 1D to 4D, I already told you that all what you are saying about 4D is not new, did i not mention “string theory”.
String theory is even up to 10D.

TenQ:
Thank God for that!

This was why Instead of focusing on the intellectual discussion ALL you are chasing is to prove that the spiritual doesn't exist.

With you, I've didn't even come to the level to talk anything akin to the spiritual!

LoLz. I dunno who you think you are fooling with this discussion. It is clear you don't understand what dimensions are and that you resisting all attempts for you to gain understanding, your spiritual realm is irrelevant to me.

Maynthemayn:
I have been asking you to define what dimension means, all what you are saying are in fiction,it doesn’t exist.
Of course i am enjoying the imagination of 1D to 4D, I already told you that all what you are saying about 4D is not new, did i not mention “string theory”.
String theory is even up to 10D.

LoLz. Maybe the god is in 20D.

Maynthemayn:
I have been asking you to define what dimension means, all what you are saying are in fiction,it doesn’t exist.
Of course i am enjoying the imagination of 1D to 4D, I already told you that all what you are saying about 4D is not new, did i not mention “string theory”.
String theory is even up to 10D.

I defined Dimensions and many more to you my dear.

Check below if I didn't answer you well

TenQ:
I don't know why you insist on changing the course of narration.

Let me oblige you so that we can move forward!

Definition Dimensions:
1. In mathematics and physics, a dimension refers to the number of independent directions or coordinates required to describe an object or space . It provides a quantitative measure of the extent or complexity of a system.

2. In the context of geometry, the term "dimension" often refers to spatial dimensions. For example, in two-dimensional (2D) space, two coordinates (such as length and width) are needed to specify the position of an object. In three-dimensional (3D) space, three coordinates (length, width, and height) are required. Higher-dimensional spaces, such as four-dimensional (4D) spacetime in physics, involve additional independent directions.

3. Dimensions can also be abstract and apply to other mathematical structures beyond physical space. For instance, a vector space may have a finite number of dimensions or even an infinite number of dimensions.

In general, the concept of dimension provides a framework for understanding the properties, relationships, and complexity of objects and spaces in various mathematical, geometric, and physical contexts.


What happens if there is no Dimensions?
Then objects and space will not exist except as an abstract theoretical objects as a point, dot or pixel in a graphical or space representation.

Now that I have answered your QUESTIONS (did I miss any?), Please respond to mine.
1. It is possible to have a one-dimensional (1D) space within a two-dimensional (2D) space?
Is it possible to have a two-dimensional (2D) space within a three-dimensional (3D) space?


2. If the above is possible,
Is it possible for a hypothetical point object in a 1D space know by any means that he is within a 2D or 3D or nD space?

If the question 1 is impossible, can you explain why?

TenQ:
Correction please:
Space as in domain of influence in terms dimensions!

Lol, it’s really amusing watching you write absolute nonsense confidently.

TenQ:
I defined Dimensions and many more to you my dear.

Check below if I didn't answer you well

Dribbling around.
It simply means length, breadth and height and so on. Something that can be MEASURED in a particular way.

LordReed:
LoLz. I dunno who you think you are fooling with this discussion. It is clear you don't understand what dimensions are and that you resisting all attempts for you to gain understanding, your spiritual realm is irrelevant to me.

You are the one who is completely IGNORANT of what Dimensions are!


If you have ANY idea, what have you written since the beginning of this thread that showed you know what you are speaking about. Nothing!

You are afraid of making your own point as all you can do is to work against the conclusion even without going through the process to arrive at your own conclusion.

If you don't have anything to say, it's not compulsory chatting on this thread!

LordReed:
LoLz. Maybe the god is in 20D.

Bwahahaha