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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by dermmy(m): 10:35am On Jun 18, 2023
All these your stories sef cheesy

Remember Russia ordered 4 Helicopter carriers / Mistral warships from France in 2010 but US put pressure on France to stop the deal when France was ready to deliver two of the four warships after Russia annexed Crimea. It was Egypt that later bought those warships and France had to reimburse Russia.

If we should go by all these your analogies Russia would not have ordered those ships for the fear that France could place backdoor on them. Russia sourcing components abroad for it defence industry is not a big deal US does that too no country is an Island. This war is not worth it, it is affecting Russia though Russia won't go down as the West had hoped. Anyone who supports Russia might pretend those sanctions aren't having impact. I love Russia too but I must be factual.

US fields over 200 F22 Raptor, Over 500 f35.
China Fields over 220 J-20.
Russia fields just 11 SU-57

Russia that ought to continue its military modernization is now distracted by war in Ukraine that has no end in sight. If care is not taken China would climb up the ladder and topple Russia as the 2nd most powerful military in the world.


Shoodboi:


In 1945, a group of Soviet students visited the US ambassador to the Soviet Union and gifted him a wooden seal of the US. The Americans checked the gift to ensure it didn't contain any spy device. They didn't find any and the ambassador hung it in his office.

One day, a British embassy employee saw the Soviets transmitting radio signals to the US ambassador office. He tuned on his radio to a similar frequency and suddenly heard Americans talking. He told the Americans what he discovered and the Americans started their own investigations.

They discovered the sound was coming from the wooden seal the students gave the US ambassador.

The Soviets at the time used a passive transmission device to spy on the ambassador. At the time, everyone used active transmission devices.

Active is when the spy device sends out signals. Passive is when an external device extracts those signals.

If the seal sent out signals, the Americans would have found out immediately. But instead, it only stored the conversations and an external device was used to extract that the recordings, allowing the Soviets to record the ambassador's conversations for 6 years.

What am I drawing out with this?

You can only find what you know.

You can only discover a backdoor if you know what backdoor to look for. If that backdoor happens to be a new technology like the stuff the Soviets put in that seal, you will never find it.

Think about it --- If a spy agency could develop something this sophisticated back in 1945, you can imagine what spy agencies have at their disposal today. So why do you think Russia will risk having western components in its jets?

If Russia wants to use US tech in its top weapon, you think the US will not spend lots of money to develop a new backdoor that Russia cannot detect?

They will. Russia knows this too, so the risk is too much for them.

Also, when you call the Su-57 a failed project, how many Su-57 does Russia even have? I searched online and the estimates vary from 3 to 74 --- all from your so-called Western analysts.

The funny thing is that these Western analysts claimed Russia had 74 as of 2021 but then switched to saying Russia had just 3 when the Ukraine war began in 2022. What does this tell you about the credibility of your Western analysts?

Also, you're being cunning when you say the UAE pulled out of the Su-75 program.

The UAE only began talks of joining the Su-75 program in January 2022 after the pulling out of the F-35 deal with the US.

I researched your statement and couldn't find any reference to Russia and the UAE signing a deal. The only reference I found is that both countries started talks in January 2022, but somehow you claim a deal was signed and they then pulled out.

Talking of pulling out, everyone that claims the deal was canceled references an article from this US analyst called Maya Carlin. And this is the line where she mentioned that the deal was cancelled:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/05/su-75-russias-new-stealth-fighter-may-never-fly-thanks-to-ukraine-war/

In that statement she says, "It appears". Appears? Did it happen or not? Her statement is an opinion. And she didn't even mention how she arrived at the opinion. But you and everyone else started to pass off the opinion as a fact.

Propaganda happens when you mix facts with opinion.

To further prove your bias, you didn't say the UAE pulled out of the F-35 deal because the plane is wack and fat and can't do half of what the US claims it can do. But when the UAE "pulls" out of a "deal" (as you claimed) with Russia, you say it's because the plane is wack. How does that sound to you?

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ibime(m): 11:04am On Jun 18, 2023
HornyTave1:


Allow Zelensky to deny the treaty Putin brought forward, your knowledge on this issue is very limited.

Your audacity is to call it fake is obnoxious and alarming.

Are you being intentionally dumb?

I never called it fake, I said its foolish

Demanding Ukraine keep less than 250k soldiers, less than certain amount of equipment etc. It is not a treaty, it's a surrender document and Ukraine never signed any such document to turn themselves into slaves, they chased Putin from Kiev. Putin is a barefaced liar to claim this document is the reason he retreated from Kiev. This is his foolish proposal which he was told to stick up his ãrse.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ibime(m): 11:14am On Jun 18, 2023
olugabbie:


So which country later liberated Poland when it was seized by Germany?

Both Hitler and Stalin seized Poland at the same time

Hitler then chased Stalin from Poland in operation Barbarossa

So it's like a hyena and a lion feeding on the same carcass. The lion chased the hyena away. The hyena came back with its gang to chase the Lion away, and so now the carcass should be happy that it is being eaten by hyena and not Lion.

Most Polish lamented that they were 'liberated" from the East and not the West, just like the Eastern part of Berlin who suffered sifia pains till they collapsed the Berlin wall.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNig: 11:21am On Jun 18, 2023
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He threatens to kill seven women and one security guard if his demand is not met within three hours.

🇰🇿 Kazakhstan police are wearing bulletproof vests and nearby streets are closed.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Dannyrayz: 11:24am On Jun 18, 2023
[quote author=dermmy post=123871982]All these your stories sef cheesy

Remember Russia ordered 4 Helicopter carriers / Mistral warships from France in 2010 but US put pressure on France to stop the deal when France was ready to deliver two of the four warships after Russia annexed Crimea. It was Egypt that later bought those warships and France had to reimburse Russia.

If we should go by all these your analogies Russia would not have ordered those ships for the fear that France could place backdoor on them. Russia sourcing components abroad for it defence industry is not a big deal US does that too no country is an Island. This war is not worth it, it is affecting Russia though Russia won't go down as the West had hoped. Anyone who supports Russia might pretend those sanctions aren't having impact. I love Russia too but I must be factual.

US fields over 200 F22 Raptor, Over 500 f35.
China Fields over 220 J-20.
Russia fields just 11 SU-57

Russia that ought to continue its military modernization is now distracted by war in Ukraine that has no end in sight. If care is not taken China would climb the ladder and topple Russia as the 2nd most powerful military in the world.

The electronic work on those Mistrial Warships should have been done by the Russian according to the contract agreement uote]
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 11:25am On Jun 18, 2023
dermmy:
Russia uses foreign components on its civilian and military jets. Please do your research. Forensic analyst even saw western components like chips in Russian military jets downed over Ukraine. That doesn't make Russia a lesser technology power even US uses foreign chips too.

Chips are inspected for potential backdoors before being used on military equipment. It is a must to screen any foreign component before using them for your military so no one can control Russia's jet remotely as you have thought. Russia manufactures its own engines.

Russia isn't mass producing the Su75 now the prototype built was to fly and demostrate this year but it has been postponed till next year even United Arab Emirate that was part of the program has pulled out cause it felt the future of the aircraft isn't certain. If India pulls out too I am afraid to say that could be the end of the Su75 like the Su57/HALFGFA that India pulled out from.




Continue to lie to your self

Russia military is completely independent putin said so you can believe USA evil nato propaganda lies.

Russia from day one don't have any thing they import from west for military

Russia built first ever non hyperbolic hypersonic weapons which USA can't do if it uses USA component why then Can't USA build it own

. You really don't know how advanced Russia is when reddit USA forum even suggests Russia has fallen angels technology

Keep lying to your self like the west do.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 11:29am On Jun 18, 2023
Shoodboi:



Hastings Ismay was the first Secretary General of NATO. When asked why NATO was founded, he famously said: NATO was founded to “keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.”

The bold part is Hastings Ismay exact words. You can find it on NATO’s website over here: https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_137930.htm

NATO’s mission was to destroy the USSR. When the USSR was dissolved by Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia – the three main countries that formed it – NATO switched to destroying Russia, which is considered the successor of the USSR.

To understand Ismay Hastings statement, you have to go back to the late 1800s when Germany was about to overtake the UK and France (the then world powers), to become the dominant world power. The UK didn’t want that and created an alliance of the top 3 countries in the world. This was the UK-France-Russian alliance.

The US, which was also interested in overtaking the UK to become the world power, then instigated all sides to go to war. The result was WW1. The US became stronger and everyone else became weaker.

Germany attempted a comeback in WW2 and was defeated yet again. And yet again, everyone got weaker while the US got stronger.

The powerful US overtook the weakened UK to become a superpower. But the USSR was still powerful, so it remained a superpower and the only country capable of standing up to the US.

The countries that will later form NATO drew up war plans to invade the USSR in 1945 --- right after WW2 ended. They didn’t go on with the plan because their statistics indicated the USSR was impossible to defeat. So they decided to engage in proxy wars with the USSR instead. That’s what we saw throughout the Cold War and now in Ukraine.

That was the point of Ismay Hastings statement.

The point of NATO’s proxy wars is to politically weaken the USSR (and later Russia) and not to militarily weaken them. It is important that you understand this. So your statement on “bogging down Russia” as their aim isn’t applicable. NATO can’t bog down Russia.

The whole agenda behind NATO is to force countries to turn away from the USSR and Russia. For European nations with land routes to Russia, they will drag them into an alliance. And for everyone else, they will threaten, sponsor wars and coups, or sanction them when they get too close to the Russia.

That said, the Su-75 is a new jet and is unlike anything Russia or anyone else, has ever created. Weapons like this take decades to develop, and this jet looks like something Russia only started working on. They announced the project’s existence in 2020/2021 (I can’t remember which), but didn’t announce when exactly they started working on it.

Also, when you say “analysts believe the postponement came as a result of” --- What do you expect NATO analysts to say? Besides “believe” indicates it is an opinion and not a fact. And you guys should stop talking of Russia being unable to access western components in its military equipment.

Russia will never use western components in its military equipment. It doesn’t make sense for it to.

If it did, you think the US will refuse to sell? Selling those components to Russia is the easiest way to sabotage the jet, weaken the Russian air force, and make money off Russia – all in one stroke.

If the jet has a US-made microchip for instance, all the US needs to do in the case of a war is to press a few buttons from their end, and they will instruct the microchip to shut down the jet.

Or they could instruct it to send them an alert of the jet’s location.
Or they even instruct it to turn left when the pilot wants it to turn right.
Or maybe, they will instruct it to go straight down and slam into the ground.

So does it make sense that Russia will use an enemy component in its equipment? NO.

Haba, this your analysis reeks of anti-west ideologies. Let me start with where you said US instigated world war 1. The first world war was as a result of the killing of Franz Ferdinand, the heir to the austro-hungarian throne by a Bosnian Serb named Gavrilio princip. The US had till this time been a militarily neutral country and only joined the war towards the end of it in 1917.
By the assassination of arch Duke Franz Ferdinand, austro-hungary held Serbia responsible and declared war on Serbia. Russia then came to Serbia's defence and joined the war. The power of Russia was what brought Germany also to the defence of Austro-Hungary.
The failure of Germany to defeat France according to plan was what made the fighting to expand to secondary fronts and Bulgaria, Greece, Romania and Italy also joined the war between 1915 and 1916.
United States joined the war in 1917 oooooo. But here you are, spewing lies that the US instigated them to go to war when the events that led to the war was never an issue that had to do with US. You people and your anti-western ideologies will kuku not mislead people.
I tire for you ooo.
To the part where you said Germany attempted a comeback in world war 2. The fact that you tactically left out the holocaust proves how much hatred has consumed your soul. The losses of Germany and its attempt to regain lost territories coupled with the fact that there is no pin-pointedly an issue that can be ascribed to the cause of world war 2 because of several factors. But again, you are here blaming the US for every evil that has ever occurred despite the fact that the world at that time was reasoning that the excesses (Holocaust) of rogue nations such as Germany could no longer be tolerated as well as the expansionist agenda of Japan.
May the Spirits forgive your damned soul.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNig: 11:31am On Jun 18, 2023
⚡At least 17 people shot in 🇺🇸 Willowbrook, Illinois in mass shooting.

Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by olugabbie(m): 11:32am On Jun 18, 2023
Ibime:


Are you being intentionally dumb?

I never called it fake, I said its foolish

Demanding Ukraine keep less than 250k soldiers, less than certain amount of equipment etc. It is not a treaty, it's a surrender document and Ukraine never signed any such document to turn themselves into slaves, they chased Putin from Kiev. Putin is a barefaced liar to claim this document is the reason he retreated from Kiev. This is his foolish proposal which he was told to stick up his ãrse.

Putin don't lie.

Turkey Foreign minister and other Turkish officials have mentioned it several times, that the West sabotaged the agreement to diffuse the war.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 11:33am On Jun 18, 2023
Shoodboi:


In 1945, a group of Soviet students visited the US ambassador to the Soviet Union and gifted him a wooden seal of the US. The Americans checked the gift to ensure it didn't contain any spy device. They didn't find any and the ambassador hung it in his office.

One day, a British embassy employee saw the Soviets transmitting radio signals to the US ambassador office. He tuned on his radio to a similar frequency and suddenly heard Americans talking. He told the Americans what he discovered and the Americans started their own investigations.

They discovered the sound was coming from the wooden seal the students gave the US ambassador.

The Soviets at the time used a passive transmission device to spy on the ambassador. At the time, everyone used active transmission devices.

Active is when the spy device sends out signals. Passive is when an external device extracts those signals.

If the seal sent out signals, the Americans would have found out immediately. But instead, it only stored the conversations and an external device was used to extract that the recordings, allowing the Soviets to record the ambassador's conversations for 6 years.

What am I drawing out with this?

You can only find what you know.

You can only discover a backdoor if you know what backdoor to look for. If that backdoor happens to be a new technology like the stuff the Soviets put in that seal, you will never find it.

Think about it --- If a spy agency could develop something this sophisticated back in 1945, you can imagine what spy agencies have at their disposal today. So why do you think Russia will risk having western components in its jets?

If Russia wants to use US tech in its top weapon, you think the US will not spend lots of money to develop a new backdoor that Russia cannot detect?

They will. Russia knows this too, so the risk is too much for them.

Also, when you call the Su-57 a failed project, how many Su-57 does Russia even have? I searched online and the estimates vary from 3 to 74 --- all from your so-called Western analysts.

The funny thing is that these Western analysts claimed Russia had 74 as of 2021 but then switched to saying Russia had just 3 when the Ukraine war began in 2022. What does this tell you about the credibility of your Western analysts?

Also, you're being cunning when you say the UAE pulled out of the Su-75 program.

The UAE only began talks of joining the Su-75 program in January 2022 after pulling out of the F-35 deal with the US.

I researched your statement and couldn't find any reference to Russia and the UAE signing a deal. The only reference I found is that both countries started talks in January 2022, but somehow you claim a deal was signed and they then pulled out.

Talking of pulling out, everyone that claims the deal was canceled references an article from this US analyst called Maya Carlin. And this is the line where she mentioned that the deal was cancelled:

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/05/su-75-russias-new-stealth-fighter-may-never-fly-thanks-to-ukraine-war/

In that statement she says, "It appears". Appears? Did it happen or not? Her statement is an opinion. And she didn't even mention how she arrived at the opinion. But you and everyone else started to pass off the opinion as a fact.

Propaganda happens when you mix facts with opinion.

To further prove your bias, you didn't say the UAE pulled out of the F-35 deal because the plane is wack and fat and can't do half of what the US claims it can do. But when the UAE "pulls" out of a "deal" (as you claimed) with Russia, you say it's because the plane is wack. How does that sound to you?


Don't mind him he thinks USA is ultimate in tech when it can't even build a better air defense system or non hyperbolic hypersonic weapons.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 11:40am On Jun 18, 2023
Badassniggga:
lol so many foølish US zombies believe Russia is dependent on components from US or Europe to make anything in their military sector. Of course some minor components are sourced from elsewhere but thinking only it's only US that produces such components is just delusion and madness. Imagine thinking Russia needs anything from US for their tanks or other arms production. These people don't know Russia has almost whatever material she needs to produce anything grin

Correction Russia does not source one single minor component from any where

Every thing is built in Russia

All the components raw material you need to build any thing on earth Russia has it

That is actually the reason USA is mad and jealous of Russia

Even China is eyeing Russia raw material it just that they hate USA more than they hate Russia

Any raw material you want you can get it from mother Russia

In it finest form

I made a research about it when I stop to listen to west tales

Russia has it own computers and software and phone system software which is meant for the military

Compare telegram futures to whatssap to tell you the kind of level Russia is in..

Telegram were built by Russians though they later took their sever to another country.

Russia tech is superior to others.

They taught China and India all China is today it just that China outgrew it teacher in economics not in military still.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Ibime(m): 11:42am On Jun 18, 2023
olugabbie:


Putin don't lie.

Turkey Foreign minister and other Turkish officials have mentioned it several times, that the West sabotaged the agreement to diffuse the war.


Where is the signature?

In Wike voice, agreement is eh. . . agreement

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNig: 11:46am On Jun 18, 2023
⚡The village of Pyatyhatky in the Zaporizhia region has come under the control of the 🇺🇦 Ukrainian Armed Forces.

This was announced by Vladimir Rogov, a representative of the regional administration.

According to Rogov, the Ukrainian Armed Forces' advanced positions are in a semi-circle, which poses a threat of encirclement and destruction for them.

The 🇷🇺 Russian Ministry of Defense and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not commented on the situation in Pyatyhatky.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by WrriterNig: 12:09pm On Jun 18, 2023
⚡🇷🇺 Vladimir Putin: "Europe has sharply increased power generation from coal, and it's being done by the same people, the so-called greens, who just yesterday were the most vocal about the need to completely shut down coal power.

Everything has been forgotten, all that blabbering has been dumped"

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jun 18, 2023
dermmy:
All these your stories sef cheesy

Remember Russia ordered 4 Helicopter carriers / Mistral warships from France in 2010 but US put pressure on France to stop the deal when France was ready to deliver two of the four warships after Russia annexed Crimea. It was Egypt that later bought those warships and France had to reimburse Russia.

If we should go by all these your analogies Russia would not have ordered those ships for the fear that France could place backdoor on them. Russia sourcing components abroad for it defence industry is not a big deal US does that too no country is an Island. This war is not worth it, it is affecting Russia though Russia won't go down as the West had hoped. Anyone who supports Russia might pretend those sanctions aren't having impact. I love Russia too but I must be factual.

US fields over 200 F22 Raptor, Over 500 f35.
China Fields over 220 J-20.
Russia fields just 11 SU-57

Russia that ought to continue its military modernization is now distracted by war in Ukraine that has no end in sight. If care is not taken China would climb up the ladder and topple Russia as the 2nd most powerful military in the world.



It's important to add those stories in order to give people a historical context. Years ago, I worked as a research writer for a website that deals in military, spying, intelligence, counterintelligence, and all, and I tell you, the things I read during that time were insane. At a point, I even disbelieved them because WTF? Countries have gone to great lengths to do mad things. So mad that they sound impossible. And that is the one we know. Now, imagine the ones we don't know.

With that said, the might of the Russian navy lies in its submarines and not the surface fleet. In a war with NATO, do you even think the Russian navy's surface fleet will last? I doubt that. And Russia doubts it too. That's why it puts its money on its submarines instead. And even those ones, it's the larger and more powerful submarines it invests in and not smaller ones.

On the Su-57, at this point, I will take anything anyone says about that jet at surface level. No one even knows how many Russia has, and everyone keeps throwing figures about. The only reference I found to the 11 you quoted is from Wikipedia and even Wikipedia lists it as being from a "questionable source."

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:32pm On Jun 18, 2023
Russia uses AI-powered missile to shoot down Ukrainian Aircraft for the first time in history of military warfare

https://sputnikglobe.com/20230614/which-russian-weapons-systems-have-built-in-ai-1111158825.html

Russia’s minister of industry confirmed to Sputnik on Tuesday that an S-350 Vityaz missile system operating in “automatic mode” had been successfully used in the ongoing Russia-NATO proxy war in Ukraine. How has Russia incorporated AI in its military equipment? What is it used for? And which specific systems have it? Sputnik explores.
“Just recently…for the first time in the world, the Vityaz performed the automated detection, tracking and destruction of Ukrainian air targets in combat conditions,” Industry Minister Denis Manturov told Sputnik on Tuesday in a wide-ranging interview.
The minister’s remarks were corroborated in a Sputnik report in May, with an informed source telling the news agency that “several” Ukrainian warplanes and drones had been shot down by a Vityaz, and that the “detection, tracking and destruction” were carried out in fully automatic mode.
First unveiled in 2013 and introduced into service with the Russian military in late 2019, the S-350 is a hybrid upgrade of the S-300 featuring an increased ammunition load, improved electronic countermeasures, an upgraded radar complex, and a new targeting computer allowing it to quickly find targets and survey the battlespace, and integrate with other complexes to increase the density of anti-aircraft firepower. The S-350 has a reported maximum range of up to 120 km, depending on missile, and can engage as many as 16 aerodynamic targets or 12 ballistic ones at altitudes up to 30 km simultaneously.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:34pm On Jun 18, 2023
Detailed information about the computer hardware used by the S-350 is difficult to come by, given the secrecy around most Russian military computing applications. What is known is that the computer is able to independently determine which type of missile would be most effective for use against a particular target. Furthermore, having determined enemy targets’ parameters, the computer can independently outline the sequence for their destruction, and calculate which subordinated forces and installations to fire from (if applicable) for greatest efficiency. The system’s human operators retain the last word, and can either approve the course of action chosen by the computer or independently punch in an alternative. In any event, AI-assisted calculations in air defenses serve a crucial purpose: reducing reaction time, and therefore increasing combat readiness and effectiveness.
Defining AI
Before going any further, it’s important to set definitions for what constitute "AI weaponry."
Often, when we imagine AI, it’s some powerful, insanely expensive and complex hardware and software – like Skynet from The Terminator series of movies, or Deus Ex Machina in The Matrix. The reality is, artificial general intelligence – the idea of a type of AI that possesses true human-like cognitive capabilities, including the ability to learn, reason, solve problems, and communicate using natural language, has yet to be created. Instead, what we see today in discussions around AI is actually artificial narrow intelligence, or ANI – a goal-oriented version of AI designed to allow a computer to become extremely good at one task in particular – like playing chess, writing essays, or, as the case may be, shooting down enemy air targets.
In other words, it can be safely said that weapons like the S-350 Vityaz won’t gain self-awareness and decide to build a utopian machine society free from humans. Not only because their algorithms lack the ability to engage in such mind experiments or ponder their own existence, but because of the computing power limitations of Russian industry.

Beyond Politics
Not All Doom & Gloom: AI’s ‘Superpower’ May Bring '$4.4 Trillion in Value' to Global Economy
14 June, 11:09 GMT
Old School AI
Russian defense companies have been working to integrate ANI into their products for decades, with basic automation especially important in various high-precision weapons.
For instance, the Granit and Oniks lines of anti-ship cruise missiles have technically simple, but mathematically sophisticated computers that can select, prioritize, and differentiate targets automatically using information collected during flight. They can also work in groups, evade enemy electronic warfare and air defenses, select a pack leader and even deliberately divert defensive fire onto themselves as their comrades proceed to the main target. And they do it all using 1980s microchip technology (in the case of the Granit). The Oniks, created in the 2000s, operates according to similar principles, but with more complex algorithms made possible by advances in computer hardware.
The Buran space shuttle is another example of well-coded ANI developed using very limited computing resources. In 1988, the shuttle blasted off to space, after which it descended back down to Earth and landed at the Baikonur Cosmodrome without any human interference, with its onboard 16-bit main computer independently adjusting for wind conditions and altering its course, enabling a flawless landing. The Buran’s achievement wouldn’t be replicated until 2010, when the Boeing X-37 orbital test vehicle autonomously landed at Vandenberg Air Base in California using a far more sophisticated onboard computer.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:34pm On Jun 18, 2023
The missile defense system around Moscow is also known to use elements of ANI automation, both in its ground-based Don-2N radar system, which automatically detects targets and offers a course of action for operators. If an intercept decision is made, A-135 Amur interceptor missiles featuring a fully-automated target detection and tracking system, including the ability to distinguish between real and dummy enemy targets, are fired to intercept and destroy the intruders. The system’s successor, the A-235 Nudol, is expected to be even more advanced, and is currently undergoing testing.
Much has also been said about "Dead Hand" – the automatic nuclear-control system known in Russia as Perimeter – which has the ability to launch Russia’s nuclear deterrent independently if the country’s leadership is killed in a surprise enemy decapitation strike. The system, which first took up combat duty in the mid-1980s, uses a network of stationary and mobile control systems which assess seismic activity, radiation levels, air pressure and temperature, monitor military radio frequencies and keep a close watch over missile early warning data. After this information is analyzed, if a potential enemy nuclear attack is suspected, the system attempts to communicate to the General Staff. If no response is received, the automated system can make a decision to retaliate. Perimeter was taken offline in the mid-1990s amid warming relations between the West and Russia, but reactivated in late 2011 amid NATO’s eastward expansion, Pentagon research into the "Prompt Global Strike" initiative, and efforts to place US missile defenses and precision cruise missiles near Russia’s borders.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:36pm On Jun 18, 2023
The Marker’s older cousin, the Uran-9 tracked unmanned combat ground vehicle, manufactured by Kalashnikov Concern, features its own AI-assisted capabilities, including an automatic obstacle detection and avoidance system, and automatic target tracking. The Uran-9 saw combat testing in Syria in 2018, but got mediocre reviews from the Defense Ministry’s 3rd Central Research Institute, which complained about its limited mission functionality. Developers have reportedly worked to resolve these issues, and Uran-9s were used in a fire support and reconnaissance capacity in large-scale Russian-Belarusian drills in 2021. But they have yet to be deployed in the conflict in Ukraine, for reasons unknown.
AI-Powered Drones in the Sky
The Sukhoi S-70 Okhotnik-B (lit. "Hunter-B") is another prospective drone system with advanced autonomous capabilities. The massive, 20-ton drone is envisioned as a heavy unmanned reconnaissance and attack UAV with loyal wingman functionality thanks to an AI-assisted data link with manned aircraft. Flight testing of the system began in 2019, with the drone demonstrating its ability to successfully operate autonomously and interact with Su-57 aircraft, and to carry out bombing runs using free-fall bombs and precision-guided missiles. If everything goes as planned, the heavy UAV will enter service with the Aerospace Forces in 2024.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:44pm On Jun 18, 2023
Guess who died in the bundeswehr hospital according to Ilya Kiva (Ex-Chub politician)...

Yep, our brain-dead "friend" Budanov. ACK!

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:46pm On Jun 18, 2023
Kingsnairaland:
Guess who died in the bundeswehr hospital according to Ilya Kiva (Ex-Chub politician)...

Yep, our brain-dead "friend" Budanov. ACK!

I also belive Valerii Fedorovych Zaluzhnyi is dead


Now the spy chief that claims he ordered bomb in Russia is dead


Glory.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:50pm On Jun 18, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


Don't mind him he thinks USA is ultimate in tech when it can't even build a better air defense system or non hyperbolic hypersonic weapons.

Lol, you are deluded beyond redemption. I don't even know where to start educating you. Just know that aside Satan 2 or Tsar bomber, Russia is nothing less than 30 years behind US when it comes to military technology.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 1:53pm On Jun 18, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


Don't mind him he thinks USA is ultimate in tech when it can't even build a better air defense system or non hyperbolic hypersonic weapons.
The Ukrainian war has proven that Russia does not have any hypersonic weapon. All they are bragging about and calling kinzhal hypersonic weapon is nothing more than the iskander missiles mounted to an aircraft and shot from space.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 1:53pm On Jun 18, 2023
Gbadebo19:

Lol, you are deluded beyond redemption. I don't even know where to start educating you. Just know that aside Satan 2 or Tsar bomber, Russia is nothing less than 30 years behind US when it comes to military technology.
kindly move along to the next door I don't have time for insult.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by HornyTave1: 1:57pm On Jun 18, 2023
Ibime:


Are you being intentionally dumb?

I never called it fake, I said its foolish

Demanding Ukraine keep less than 250k soldiers, less than certain amount of equipment etc. It is not a treaty, it's a surrender document and Ukraine never signed any such document to turn themselves into slaves, they chased Putin from Kiev. Putin is a barefaced liar to claim this document is the reason he retreated from Kiev. This is his foolish proposal which he was told to stick up his ãrse.

If Ukrainians actually chased Putin without Mobilisation, Leopard tanks, BMP armoured vehicles and HIMARS, by now, I believe they should be at Moscow with all the investment of the West in Ukraine.

So my question to you now is, why is the much awaited counteroffensive be this a failure?

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:05pm On Jun 18, 2023
Kingsnairaland:


Correction Russia does not source one single minor component from any where

Every thing is built in Russia

All the components raw material you need to build any thing on earth Russia has it

That is actually the reason USA is mad and jealous of Russia

Even China is eyeing Russia raw material it just that they hate USA more than they hate Russia

Any raw material you want you can get it from mother Russia

In it finest form

I made a research about it when I stop to listen to west tales

Russia has it own computers and software and phone system software which is meant for the military

Compare telegram futures to whatssap to tell you the kind of level Russia is in..

Telegram were built by Russians though they later took their sever to another country.

Russia tech is superior to others.

They taught China and India all China is today it just that China outgrew it teacher in economics not in military still.
Of course, they can build their own weapons. The problem is that they are yet to reach the level of technology of US. Thus, their weapons always remain inferior to US. Let me burst your bubble. It is not just by building the biggest nonsense military hardware, it is by building the most effective. China unveiled its aircraft carrier about two or three years ago with amazing abilities but the fact remains that stuff is still inferior to the US Nimitz class that were built in 1975, talk less of the USS Gerald Ford. No country except US has been able to build a NUCLEAR POWERED aircraft carrier. If you know the advantage that it gives, you won't compare US military technology with Chinese rust machine. Let me tell you one: A nuclear powered aircraft carrier can stay in operation for up to 15 years without needing to refuel. All that is needed will be food for those operating it. Compare that with Chinese nonsense and you will see that it does not stand a chance with a military technology built in 1975. All that is needed to ground that Chinese rust is to destroy its supply chain and then it stops working when fuel finishes. I hope you can see why US is a second to none when it comes to military technology.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by HornyTave1: 2:09pm On Jun 18, 2023
Gbadebo19:

Of course, they can build their own weapons. The problem is that they are yet to reach the level of technology of US. Thus, their weapons always remain inferior to US. Let me burst your bubble. It is not just by building the biggest nonsense military hardware, it is by building the most effective. China unveiled its aircraft carrier about two or three years ago with amazing abilities but the fact remains that stuff is still inferior to the US Nimitz class that were built in 1975, talk less of the USS Gerald Ford. No country except US has been able to build a NUCLEAR POWERED aircraft carrier. If you know the advantage that it gives, you won't compare US military technology with Chinese rust machine. Let me tell you one: A nuclear powered aircraft carrier can stay in operation for up to 15 years without needing to refuel. All that is needed will be food for those operating it. Compare that with Chinese nonsense and you will see that it does not stand a chance with a military technology built in 1975. All that is needed to ground that Chinese rust is to destroy its supply chain and then it stops working when fuel finishes. I hope you can see why US is a second to none when it comes to military technology.

America taught God technology.

we don hear, rest

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:13pm On Jun 18, 2023
Kingsnairaland:
kindly move along to the next door I don't have time for insult.
You could as well thank me for educating you. tongue tongue tongue
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 2:24pm On Jun 18, 2023
Gbadebo19:

Of course, they can build their own weapons. The problem is that they are yet to reach the level of technology of US. Thus, their weapons always remain inferior to US. Let me burst your bubble. It is not just by building the biggest nonsense military hardware, it is by building the most effective. China unveiled its aircraft carrier about two or three years ago with amazing abilities but the fact remains that stuff is still inferior to the US Nimitz class that were built in 1975, talk less of the USS Gerald Ford. No country except US has been able to build a NUCLEAR POWERED aircraft carrier. If you know the advantage that it gives, you won't compare US military technology with Chinese rust machine. Let me tell you one: A nuclear powered aircraft carrier can stay in operation for up to 15 years without needing to refuel. All that is needed will be food for those operating it. Compare that with Chinese nonsense and you will see that it does not stand a chance with a military technology built in 1975. All that is needed to ground that Chinese rust is to destroy its supply chain and then it stops working when fuel finishes. I hope you can see why US is a second to none when it comes to military technology.
bye bye.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Kingsnairaland(m): 2:25pm On Jun 18, 2023
HornyTave1:


America taught God technology.

we don hear, rest
Lol.

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Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by Gbadebo19(m): 2:37pm On Jun 18, 2023
HornyTave1:


America taught God technology.

we don hear, rest
You don't always have to show your stupidity on a public forum. You are stupid, yes we already know.
All you had to do was to counter everything written there with an intellectual and non propaganda point of view. Do we really have to be slamming this into your dumb brain again and again? Even a bot would have learned faster.
Re: Russia-Ukraine War: World News, Weapons & Battlefield Discussions - Live by olugabbie(m): 2:57pm On Jun 18, 2023
Gbadebo19:

Of course, they can build their own weapons. The problem is that they are yet to reach the level of technology of US. Thus, their weapons always remain inferior to US. Let me burst your bubble. It is not just by building the biggest nonsense military hardware, it is by building the most effective. China unveiled its aircraft carrier about two or three years ago with amazing abilities but the fact remains that stuff is still inferior to the US Nimitz class that were built in 1975, talk less of the USS Gerald Ford. No country except US has been able to build a NUCLEAR POWERED aircraft carrier. If you know the advantage that it gives, you won't compare US military technology with Chinese rust machine. Let me tell you one: A nuclear powered aircraft carrier can stay in operation for up to 15 years without needing to refuel. All that is needed will be food for those operating it. Compare that with Chinese nonsense and you will see that it does not stand a chance with a military technology built in 1975. All that is needed to ground that Chinese rust is to destroy its supply chain and then it stops working when fuel finishes. I hope you can see why US is a second to none when it comes to military technology.

The US most expensive weapon (aircraft carriers) are useless against Russia and China.
It can be used against Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and the likes. But not against other super power/powers.

Russia and China have varieties of missiles that they can use to destroy the entire US strike group.

In a world war, missiles and submarines will play the major role. The billion dollar Zumwalt destroyer and other very expensive US weapon may not see battle.

A new world war is going to be a missile war. Nothing more and nothing less. This is the reason Russia invests more on defense systems. The US on the other side invests heavily on offensive weapon, strictly because it wants to be able to project power outside it territory. Majority of those weapons will not see battle in a new world war.

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