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Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by delkuf(m): 11:11pm On Jun 27, 2023
AntiChristian:
No waste my time, gather your faith together you, ovacoma, mightysparrow, 43Ronin then pray for me to have 1million Kuwaiti dollars within a week!

If this doesn't work then these verses are all lies or we can then agree all of you are not righteous as Kobojunkie said!
tenq have given you the correct answer. Without faith you can nothing
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by delkuf(m): 11:15pm On Jun 27, 2023
AntiChristian:
Is this what you're asked in the OP?
How are you so ignorant, dumb and asinine like this?
do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Because for anyone to pray for you to have l million Kuwait dollar, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Because we pray through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just say you believe that he is the son of God
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Kobojunkie: 11:48pm On Jun 27, 2023
delkuf:
tenq have given you the correct answer. Without faith you can nothing
If faith was indeed the answer to it all, how come all your pastors put together have never been able to move a single mountain--- of course without using the money you lot give to them pretending it is God who receives your offerings and tithes ? undecided
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by delkuf(m): 11:53pm On Jun 27, 2023
Kobojunkie:
If faith was indeed the answer to it all, how come all your pastors put together have never been able to move a single mountain--- of course without using the money you lot give to them pretending it is God who receives your offerings and tithes ? undecided
someone have told that you have comprehensive problem. And I can see that
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Kobojunkie: 11:54pm On Jun 27, 2023
delkuf:
someone have told that you have comprehensive problem. And I can see that
Again... If faith were indeed the answer to it all, how come all your pastors put together have never been able to move a single mountain--- of course without using the money you lot give to them pretending it is God who receives your offerings and tithes ? undecided
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by delkuf(m): 11:57pm On Jun 27, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Again... If faith were indeed the answer to it all, how come all your pastors put together have never been able to move a single mountain--- of course without using the money you lot give to them pretending it is God who receives your offerings and tithes ? undecided
go and get comprehension. It is your greatest undoing
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Kobojunkie: 11:57pm On Jun 27, 2023
delkuf:
■ go and get comprehension. It is your greatest undoing
Again... If faith were indeed the answer to it all, how come all your pastors put together have never been able to move a single mountain--- of course without using the money you lot give to them pretending it is God who receives your offerings and tithes ? undecided
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by MightySparrow: 4:09am On Jun 28, 2023
delkuf:
tenq have given you the correct answer. Without faith you can nothing
How does this answer for the atrocities of Mohammed?
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by LegalWolf: 1:08pm On Jun 30, 2023
TenQ:
LOL!

I just showed you that in your quest to win an argument, you were willing to claim superiority in knowledge to your Prophet Mohammed. What does that make you? A good Muslim!?

It's the truth bro: you are not being blackmailed.
LOL! A FUTURE THIEF TALKING ABOUT TRUTH - TRAVESTY !!!!

Potential thief - why are you running from me? Are you not my Nairaland nemesis again? or Are you scared? grin grin grin grin grin

Lol

cc: FxMasterz
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by gohf: 8:11pm On Jun 30, 2023
AntiChristian:
I just need all Christians reading this to have faith and pray for me to have just 1 million Kuwaiti Dollar within one week, they say miracle no dey tire Jesus! Lol! grin

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

cool It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that the Biblical Jesus was a habitual liar.

What do you think about all these statements?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana
SIRTee15
LMAO 🤣🤣 not like if he was telling the truth you would believe Him
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by MightySparrow: 8:56pm On Jun 30, 2023
gohf:
LMAO 🤣🤣 not like if he was telling the truth you would believe Him
I asked him if he believes in Jesus as a Muslim. He should just go ahead and put the passages he qouted to work.


He doesn't believe in Christ.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by gohf: 9:02pm On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
I asked him if he believes in Jesus as a Muslim. He should just go ahead and put the passages he qouted to work.


He doesn't believe in Christ.
isn't it a waste of time explaining something to someone who refuses to believe especially what is being explained is based on believing
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by MightySparrow: 9:09pm On Jun 30, 2023
gohf:
isn't it a waste of time explaining something to someone who refuses to believe especially what is being explained is based on believing
You get it.
Jesus told us not to cast our pearls before pigs.

This fellow is one of them.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 7:28am On Jul 02, 2023
gohf:
LMAO 🤣🤣 not like if he was telling the truth you would believe Him
You should ask him for 1million dollars before 7days and let's see if you'll be given!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 7:37am On Jul 02, 2023
delkuf:
do you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Because for anyone to pray for you to have l million Kuwait dollar, you must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Because we pray through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Just say you believe that he is the son of God
This is false! Many people came to Jesus to heal their people at home who may or may not have believed in Jesus!

Do you remember the gentile woman Jesus used the dog-master parable?

Even Lazarus was dead and was raised up! None of them believed Jesus was God's son!

Lies!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 7:38am On Jul 02, 2023
delkuf:
tenq have given you the correct answer. Without faith you can nothing
Lies!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 7:41am On Jul 02, 2023
TenQ:
LOL!

I just showed you that in your quest to win an argument, you were willing to claim superiority in knowledge to your Prophet Mohammed. What does that make you? A good Muslim!?

It's the truth bro: you are not being blackmailed.
Thanks for the blackmail!
Once again, I never mentioned the Prophet in the OP!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by TenQ: 7:58am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Thanks for the blackmail!
Once again, I never mentioned the Prophet in the OP!
You countered the hadiths and beliefs of your prophet.

The question was:
Do YOU truly believe that the Jesus of the Christians is a Liar?


And your Response was Affirmative contrary to the Qur'an of your prophet.


Qur'an 5:116
And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?


Mohammed through Allah testified in the Qur'an that the Jesus of the Christians told His followers to Worship Allah alone BUT they refused.

You claimed that the Jesus of the Christians actually told them lies and the Christians simply believed the lie from Jesus!?

Who is the liar according to your Mohammed inspired Quran: Jesus or the Christians?

SMH!

Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by TenQ: 8:01am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Lies!
There is another one you feigned blindness and deafness to.

I guess you will do me good by explaining to me the apparent contradiction between your Standard Islamic Narrative and the exact statement of the Quran

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.



If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by gohf: 8:22am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
You should ask him for 1million dollars before 7days and let's see if you'll be given!
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. James 4:3
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by OloyeVIII: 8:31am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Chai! Okay! I will mention you in my two other posts, if them born you well make you comment with lies!
You are a fvcktard, islam is a sh!t religion & your muhammad or whatever the fvck you call him is a dickweed.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by xristos(m): 8:42am On Jul 02, 2023
Lukuluku69:
[b]Matthew 4:18-22 (KJV) And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

According to Matthew, he saw Simon and Andrew TOGETHER, asked them to follow him and they did TOGETHER

Mark 1:16-20 (KJV) Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
And when he had gone a little further thence, he saw James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, who also were in the ship mending their nets.
And straightway he called them: and they left their father Zebedee in the ship with the hired servants, and went after him.

According to Mark, he saw them TOGETHER and told them follow me and they did TOGETHER.

Luke was not that sure, so he left that part out of his own accounts

John 1:40-42 (KJV) One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

John told us that it was Andrew who went looking for his brother Simon and not Jesus calling them together. Also that Andrew was signed on from The Baptist FC Team.

So, who should we believe?

Same stort different versions. Do they have different subscription with the Holy Spirit?

Answer this one for I have another question for you about the Holy Spirit o
..............
Just as a 10yr experience is short-scripted in a 2hr movie..so is the Bible a summary of Times and God's word noting key events.
Jesus saw 2 brothers - was a summary event
John account was detailed how he saw them - Andrew found(went to call) his brother to meet Jesus.
Imagine Jesus (the popular figure at the time) at a spot seeing Andrew.. Andrew rushed to call Simon -guy leave wat ure doing Jesus is outside wants to see us i cant go alone... Come..
Then Jesus talked to both.
The reporter (book Matthew & Mark) only saw where Jesus talked to both.. he didnt see the intro. 👌🏼

The summary is that Jesus CALLED (meaning Appointing them disciples..not the literal 'come') both.. however they were found.

If a couple is giving report of their issues... The wife will definitely say it differently from the husband. Which will look like either is lying. Or if ur kids are reporting an event u witnessed to you.. they will say it differently but u know what they are trying to say.

The Bible is a mystery book of Logos (just letters & reports) and Rhema (the revealed word)... A feint logic reader can't understand but argue. (This is perfectly understandable).
The Logos are much more (in quantity) than the Rhema.. and unfortunately they are scattered (unarranged perfectly)

Just calm down... Only the HolySpirit can guide.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 8:42am On Jul 02, 2023
gohf:
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures. James 4:3
Na Jesus talk that one?

What about the several verses from Jesus?

How do you even define wrong motive?
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by gohf: 8:44am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Na Jesus talk that one?

What about the several verses from Jesus?

How do you even define wrong motive?
even if Jesus said it directly to you would you believe it

If you know God judges the heart, will you ask me such a question
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 8:54am On Jul 02, 2023
gohf:
even if Jesus said it directly to you would you believe it

If you know God judges the heart, will you ask me such a question
Jesus is not alive in this world anymore! So forget all those lies about hearing a call from Jesus!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by gohf: 9:07am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Jesus is not alive in this world anymore! So forget all those lies about hearing a call from Jesus!
even if Jesus said it directly to you would you believe it

If you know God judges the heart, will you ask me such a question
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Lukuluku69(m): 10:08am On Jul 02, 2023
xristos:
..............
Just as a 10yr experience is short-scripted in a 2hr movie..so is the Bible a summary of Times and God's word noting key events.
Jesus saw 2 brothers - was a summary event
John account was detailed how he saw them - Andrew found(went to call) his brother to meet Jesus.
Imagine Jesus (the popular figure at the time) at a spot seeing Andrew.. Andrew rushed to call Simon -guy leave wat ure doing Jesus is outside wants to see us i cant go alone... Come..
Then Jesus talked to both.
The reporter (book Matthew & Mark) only saw where Jesus talked to both.. he didnt see the intro. 👌🏼

The summary is that Jesus CALLED (meaning Appointing them disciples..not the literal 'come') both.. however they were found.

If a couple is giving report of their issues... The wife will definitely say it differently from the husband. Which will look like either is lying. Or if ur kids are reporting an event u witnessed to you.. they will say it differently but u know what they are trying to say.

The Bible is a mystery book of Logos (just letters & reports) and Rhema (the revealed word)... A feint logic reader can't understand but argue. (This is perfectly understandable).
The Logos are much more (in quantity) than the Rhema.. and unfortunately they are scattered (unarranged perfectly)

Just calm down... Only the HolySpirit can guide.
If there is any calming down here, it is for you!

Mathew and Mark says Jesus SAW this TWO BROTHERS at the same TIME and he told them Follow ME. Which they did straightaway.

Luke was silent because he must have read the Mathew and Mark Accounts with that of John which clearly says Andrew followed Jesus like a dog's tail and Andrew was the one who told Simon (his brother) that we have found the one who the prophet prophesized about.

Padre, please reconcile that differences and please do away with all these meaningless explanation with windy words.

If they report it differently while saying narrating the same event then only one Account is true and not all accounts or all or them are not true but just writing on hearsays.

Jesus calling Andrew and Simon is a singular event and when we have Two Accounts then one of them is not True.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by orisa37: 10:11am On Jul 02, 2023
HE GAVE IT TO SATAN STRAIGHT IN THE GARDEN AND IN WILDERNESS. HE HAD ONE CHANCE TO FROLIC WITH SATAN IN THE GARDEN BUT QUICKLY WORDED IT OFF BY "NOT MY WISH GOD BUT THAT YOUR WILL BE DONE".
JESUS WAS HUMAN WHO DIDN'T ABUSE HIS PRIVILEGE TO TELL EVEN DIPLOMATIC LIES.

FROM ORUNTO27 ORISAORUNTOSPEAKS
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD IN THE BEGINNING AND THE END.
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Kukutenla: 10:56am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
I just need all Christians reading this to have faith and pray for me to have just 1 million Kuwaiti Dollar within one week, they say miracle no dey tire Jesus! Lol! grin

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

cool It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that the Biblical Jesus was a habitual liar.

What do you think about all these statements?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana
SIRTee15
Seun this is a Muslim opening threads to denigrate Christ and Christianity without having to swear any oaths or being accused of christophobia.
If we Christians want to return the favor in the exclusive section for Muslims, we have to first swear am oath of being Muslims and we still get banned as a result.
We are watching your and your crusade against Christian faith on this forum
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by AntiChristian(op): 11:17am On Jul 02, 2023
Kukutenla:
Seun this is a Muslim opening threads to denigrate Christ and Christianity without having to swear any oaths or being accused of christophobia.
If we Christians want to return the favor in the exclusive section for Muslims, we have to first swear am oath of being Muslims and we still get banned as a result.
We are watching your and your crusade against Christian faith on this forum
Shut up!
Many of your folks have been on it for ages!

Check antiislam Monica and a whole lots of others with derogatory Islamic names as monikers!
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by Kukutenla: 11:32am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Shut up!
Many of your folks have been on it for ages!

Check antiislam Monica and a whole lots of others with derogatory Islamic names as monikers!
Don't get me wrong and I hope seun does not too.
I'm not saying you have no right to write whatever you want about Christianity. Christians don't believe in restricting speech or thoughts.
What I'm calling attention to is that you freely open threads demeaning to Christianity on the "religion" section without having to swear an oath of being a Christian or animist while a Christian who wants to return the favor by opening a thread questioning Islam on the Islam section can't do same except he first swears an oath and even afterwards, he risks being banned by the obviously islamist mods who also find it offensive to their religion.

It is that hypocrisy of you Muslims enabled by Seun that I'm calling out.

And for the records, Antiislam moniker came after yours. It's a response to your obviously hateful and bigoted moniker and I'm sure it has been banned along the line while yours roams free
Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by MightySparrow: 12:01pm On Jul 02, 2023
Kukutenla:
Seun this is a Muslim opening threads to denigrate Christ and Christianity without having to swear any oaths or being accused of christophobia.
If we Christians want to return the favor in the exclusive section for Muslims, we have to first swear am oath of being Muslims and we still get banned as a result.
We are watching your and your crusade against Christian faith on this forum
Seun is biased
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