Is Southeast Landlocked? - Politics (3) - Nairaland
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| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 9:25am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:You think because a river flows through your end into another man's backyard, that gives you right to his coastal front? You are really an imbe. Your Ohaneze successfully lobbied for dry ports in Enugu for a reason. The dry port in Enugu that is located in Emene by the Airport was created so that Enugu can partake in customs duty . Cargo containers are sent directly to the dry port in sealed containers that are cleared at this port so that Enugu can benefit from revenue from imports. You guys think that if you get your Biafra , you will be allocated a coastal front in one of the coastal communities in the Delta ? Are you seriously this stupid ? The non existing UN charter you did not quite that you stated gives every nation on earth unfettered access to the sea does not in anywhere supplant sovereignty from one nation to another. Rather it preached on cooperation along diplomatic agreements. Why then is Niger Republic not having thoroughfare through Nigeria to our coast ? You dunce. The river that drains into the Niger Delta estuary into the ocean has been clearly demarcated along state boundaries . If you get your Biafra today, it will end at the point that river flows into the Niger Delta region. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 9:28am On Jun 30, 2023 |
TheboyGhost:Thank God you defined it as an Ibo thread and one I will define as one attempting to colonize sea fronts in the Delta. This thread says a lot about you people and your unrelentless attempts at expanding into the Niger Delta. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 9:44am On Jun 30, 2023 |
The level of illiteracy and arrogance combined in this thread is so tiring. Let me school you ignoramuses. 1. Assuming the stupidity of Gidgiddy to be correct where he stated but did not quote a non existing UN charter that guarantees every nation access to the sea. For starts , the Nigerian govt that has sovereignty over her coast and territorial waters will be the one to decide from which of their ports your goods pass through. You can not dictate to someone else how to utilize his resources in a diplomatic negotiation. If Nigeria insist that all cargo to and fro Biafra pass through Lagos port with a dry dock at Asaba crossing, then there is no way they will allow ships free access through their territory using the river route to your Biafran ports in places like Onistha . 2. If Nigeria agrees to you using these designated river routes, it will be heavily restricted to the kind of vessels that can pass through unless the rivers are dredged. Now this is where the wahala will start because those in the lower Niger Delta will resist this as they have been doing since it was first proposed in the late 90s over concerns of sea water encroachment into fresh water streams and loss of shoreline settlements along these streams. Following on 2 above, the Nigerian govt can decide what kind of cargo can pass through these routes. For example you want to start drilling your oil for exports, the Nigerian govt can deny heavy tankers access through these rivers on environmental grounds and force you to pipe the oil and gas through a joint trans national pipeline from where the Nigerian govt will get a hefty commission. So all you ignoramuses believing the highly deluded and greater ignoramus, gidgiddy need to go back and understand what you are discussing here. Idiots |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 9:52am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:Ignoramus, this is not about what you think in your head, this is about international law. Nobody owns the Rivers, same as nobody owns the oceans, you can only own land, not international waters. It is UNCLOS that gives Nigeria territorial waters, and it will change should the South East become an independent country Article 125 of UNCLOS states: Article 125 Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit 1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport. In the event that the South East becomes independent, Nigeria has no right to deny it from using Oguta, Ebonyi River, Obuaku Azumini blue River or any tributaries that run through the South East to the ocean, to gain access to the sea. That is the law There may be certain terms and conditions that the South East may have to negotiate with Nigeria, but their right to access to the sea remains sacrosanct |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 10:06am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:You guys simply dont get it, Nigeria does not own the River Niger or the Atlantic ocean, it is designated as "common heritage of man". You only own the land So how can you claim sovereignty over what you do not own? Should the South East become the independent state of Biafra, the law expressly states that that Nigeria has no right to deny Biafra access to the sea Yes there may be negotiations that have to be done over security, tarrifs etc, but this thinking that Nigeria will have blanket powers to deny Biafra access to the sea via its many waterways is sheer fallacy |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 10:08am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Olodo. That rubbish does not cede sovereignty of the lower Niger to you in Biafra. The FG can designate Lagos port for you and a dry port in Asaba as your only access. Will you dictate to another nation how to utilize their resource ? You no well. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 10:12am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Let me respond to your ignorant post on what the harsh reality of a Biafra will look like. See this post below I responded to another useless Okoro thread FSBoperator: |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 10:12am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:Guy, stop this your blind arguement, there are many lanlocjed countries already using UNCLOS to gain access to sea. You will come and tell Biafra not to use Azuminu blue River in Abia state that is only 15 nautical miles to the ocean? Thats even closer to the ocean than Portharcourt wharf |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 10:16am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:All this is drinking panadol over other people's headache. The only thing you need to know as a Nigerian is that if the South East becomes independent, international law grants us access to the sea via our waterways |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 10:17am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Oga, you think the UN has sovereignty over Nigeria ? Is Nigeria even signatory to such charter and do you think such charter is binding without diplomatic agreements being ironed out between nations ? So you think UN will fore Nigeria to allow international vessels go as they like in their territory ? You have no sense at all. Even if this is the case, what if Nigeria refuses to dredges the river or divert it totally in a way that it becomes unnavigable in their end ? Will you tell UN to sanction Nigeria on how they manage their water resources within their territory that has no environmental bearing on you upstream ? Una go learn by force. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 10:22am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:Mr man, Nigeria is a signatory to the UN charter of which UNCLOS is part of. This is the law governs the sea's. As for your water resources bill, it will become null and void at the independence of Biafra and you will have to come up with a new one that does not prevent Biafra from access to the sea, or Nigeria will violate international law |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 10:30am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Ok. Let's assume you are right . Which landlocked nation has unhindered access to Nigerian ports ? Secondly, if we give you your Biafra , we will need to sit down and iron things out as your Biafra does not exist and isn't recognised by the UN. You will have to get Independence first then granted admission into the UN and begin the strenuous process of establishing diplomatic relationship with Nigeria before Nigeria will recognise any useless charter with you. If there is no charter , your goods will be subject to triple duties - import duty at the port of entry and export duty at the point of land delivery to Biafra. Your businessmen will rely on Nigeria shipping agents and port restrictions in what you can import and export from their territory . Your businessmen must also have accounts in a Nigerian bank that will be subjected to outflow and inflow restrictions and reparation taxes. It is at this point that your merchants will have to look into having partnership with Nigerian businesses to reduce the tax burden. You won play international trade politics abi? We go school una |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by Yemmysworld91: 10:30am On Jun 30, 2023 |
TheboyGhost:Nope. But have been to abakaliki and was even in the border community linking ebonyi and cross river. And I don't think Afikpo is connected e to the Atlantic Ocean. So let's focus on the topic |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 10:44am On Jun 30, 2023 |
Gidgiddy just purge that thought in having any direct access to the sea through any riverine route. The FG will define which access port they deem fit and not you in Biafra. If we decide it is through a dry port in Asaba or a bonded rail line from PH then so be it. Nigeria can even deny what passes through her port. You want to import weapons in a build up to militarisation and we will seize that consignment. It will be explicitly stated in black and white which goods can pass through our ports. I hope you guys will tell yourselves the truth one day and see that you are in no position whatsoever to dictate or leverage against the Nigerian state. Your Biafra will be a vassal of Nigeria dependent solely on Nigeria for everything . We will dictate who rules or doesn't rule you We will dictate your foriegn policy and where we see you alligning with hostile nations will treat you as one and do the needful. You will have less freedom and opportunities than you can ever imagine. We can easily limit or cut food imports . Block air access, divert rivers or engineer dams as a future weapon to control you. You don't seem to understand that your worst option is Biafra and the only option you should accept is to join the bettersouth in restructuring Nigeria back to Pre Ironsi Zikist one Nigeria. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by Guyman01: 10:59am On Jun 30, 2023 |
You open thread to bash Igbos but when they start reminding you of the history of Yoruba land of Ilorin not only landlocked but ruled by Fulanis that Yorubas are forced to Dobale to during this Sallah you delete their comments, you can't even take what you are dishing out ![]() |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 11:31am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:Dont worry about it, Im not a Lawyer but the international law of UNCLOS is there and very clear. When the time comes, we will know if the government of Nigeria will keep to the law it is signatory to, or show the world it is lawless. Thats when you Nigerians will know that the River Niger, its tributaries and the Atlantic Ocean are all owned by nobody except God In the meantime, study section 125 of UNCLOS and read it well if you can read Article 125 Right of access to and from the sea and freedom of transit 1. Land-locked States shall have the right of access to and from the sea for the purpose of exercising the rights provided for in this Convention including those relating to the freedom of the high seas and the common heritage of mankind. To this end, land-locked States shall enjoy freedom of transit through the territory of transit States by all means of transport. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 11:38am On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Lol. The UN has no sovereignty over Nigeria . Having right does not excuse you on forming diplomatic Relationship in trade and access to the sea. Even the UN charter you quoted does not explicitly state what "access to sea " means. If your goods can pass through our ports fine. But we have the right to designate which port and route it will take within our territorial sphere. If we say no to you having direct shipping route through our rivers there is nothing you can do but revert to using any of our ports . |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by TheboyGhost(m): 11:43am On Jun 30, 2023 |
Yemmysworld91:You haven't been to Afikpo and you want us to talk about waterways in Igboland? Nah I am not having such discussions with you, thank you. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by TheboyGhost(m): 11:54am On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:What is Niger Delta please? What is the common identification of those classified as Niger Delta? Please give me answers to this Questions. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 12:02pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
TheboyGhost:I see this statement regularly by you ewus. You deginerate the nationality of each Niger Delta tribe to be seen as lower Ibo tribe which is never the case towards forcing us to see ourselves as Ibos when we are not and will never be part of you. You also promote this as a divisive antic to drive a wedge in our ongoing solidarity to each other. Yes we are not one homogenous body but we are united against Ibo expansionism. And that is all you have to disturb yourself over. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 12:05pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:And later you Nigerians will find out that your sovereignty does not extend to international waterways nor the independent state of Biafra. The government of Biafra will build River ports on its land, then you Nigerians can show us and the world what gave you ownership of the River Niger and the Atlantic Ocean |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 12:14pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Oga gidgiddy,you are land locked and have no territorial waters on the high sea. Territorial waters does not mean International waters. I thought you were educated but it seems you are grossly ignorant |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 12:17pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Olodo. So international shipping vessels will not be subject to Nigerian territorial waters claim and they will just breeze into our waters , enter our harbour and use our river route deep inland to your port in Onistha ? You see as you no get sense. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by TheboyGhost(m): 12:17pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:You are not from Niger Delta cause you don't even know what Niger Delta is and what makes Niger Delta what it is. So you can't possibly be from where you know nothing about and there is no Identity called Niger Delta. Next time move pass me and my mentions if you don't want to be Embarrassed. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 12:26pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
TheboyGhost:My message has been passed very clearly to you. Is there any nationality or tribe in the Niger Delta that is captured under the umbrella of Ohaneze ? Even the Ikwere and Anioma Ibos are not with Ohaneze but prefer to be under PANDEF. If you like call me whatever to suit your delusions. I am only here on this forum to ensure you fools are reminded on the SS and Niger Delta people's position. We are not Ibo nor Biafrans. You can not dictate to us our political trajectory . Last I remember, when the struggle was going on in the Niger Delta we did not invite you to join us in our struggle for resource control and it is on record that your legislators , political elite and traditional rulers all sided with the north against any talk of resource control to the SS. We know you as the greatest enemy of the Niger Delta and this jealousy of seeing a new cultural identity being forged among several distinct nations with a similar cultural background is what is paining you guys as a strong United Niger Delta is dangerous to your Zionist ambitions . |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by gidgiddy: 12:27pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:How do you think you got your territorial water? It is UNCLOS that gave it to you. And when the independent State of Biafra emerges, 25 nautical miles to the Sea, UNCLOS will grant it its own Dont worry about it all, when Biafra comes, you will all understand international law very well |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 12:33pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
gidgiddy:Mumu When you get your dot Republic, it will be encircled by Nigeria if not Niger Delta Republic. Those who control the coast , are the only ones with territorial claims to the ocean extending from the coast up to 22km into the sea. Even that river you claim is yours will terminate at the existing state boundaries. The lowe half will form part of Nigeria's territorial water ways and you dare not step an inch into it or risk gunboat action on you. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by ugocliff(m): 12:59pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
AuschwitzPrefec:Get ur facts right kid, Ajahi crowther only accompanied the missionaries that brought Christianity to the igbos, he did well in did And he never translated the bible to Igbo, when making research check sources don't disgrace ur ancestors
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| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by Yorubapiglet: 1:25pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
Bro, No need for the lectures. Why stress your educated brain for uneducated mizcreants? proeast: |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by JOemmy(m): 1:27pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
I heard that some rivers in the east are less than 25 nautical miles to the sea. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by TheboyGhost(m): 1:30pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
FSBoperator:You saying trash while the elders on your villages are saying otherwise. Feed your Ego and live with your thoughts, we have more important works on ground to handle. |
| Re: Is Southeast Landlocked? by FSBoperator: 1:35pm On Jun 30, 2023 |
TheboyGhost:Which elders ? Even in Asaba that you are now recruiting palm wine tapping losers to speak on your behalf do not occupy any stool in their own ramshackle hut in their community. Name one prominent Niger Delta who has aligned with your Ohaneze and Biafra rubbish. The only prominent Niger Delta person to do so in the past was Asari Dokubo who only claimed Biafra to infiltrate IPOB and dislodge it as he has done. And for this you idiots are all calling for his neck. Lolz. Sense is far from you and your delusions are making it worse. |
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