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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 5:55pm On Jul 05, 2023
lapintoz:
How come all the people foaming for mouth here no do pim for the story on Ebonyi and Enugu unknown gunmen.

I can see you are all playing ostrich.....

Simon Ikpea don hold una blocuss

SHAME ON YOU ALL

One of the many problems we face in this country is in your comment..

Deviating from an issue.

While it was reprehensible what happened in Enugu and Ebonyi..

This post here was not about that...

It was about sometime else and we shouldn't deviate from that...

There's another thread that was created for those incidents and they are here in the front page..

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by GeneralDae: 5:56pm On Jul 05, 2023
1stGenAmerican:
Once again, I don’t have any stake in this but Tinubu filed for and was granted an expungement—how can people say that he was not prosecuted or convicted if the records from the case were expunged?
Are there similar cases in America you could show us where there was an expungement in a big drug case and the person only forfeited and didn't go to jail?
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by lapintoz: 5:56pm On Jul 05, 2023
I wonder o. An exercise that happened outside our jurisdiction. As if Nigerian supreme Court pronouncements were drawn from American constitution.

I guess anything that give una fake hope dey make una foam for mouth......mumu people


GeneralDae:

In American law, there is criminal forfeiture and civil forfeiture, so this one you posted here is useless in this case.
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by M4A1carbine: 5:56pm On Jul 05, 2023
Consolation...and tears grin.




lapintoz:
INEC opened their defense, presented one witness and closed their case yesterday.
APC only opened their case today, presented just one witness and closed same today.

The reason is simple, there's NO CASE to waste time upon🤣🤣🤣

Even me wey no enter Court sabi say na this Peter Obi and Atiku case be the easiest and shortest PEPT case wey Court go dismiss....

The reason is simple:
1. The election was conducted and collated MANNAULY.
2. The collation and announcement of results were done MANUALLY.
3. What was used to announced those results NATIONWIDE were PHYSICAL RECORDS MANUUALY handed over to each party agents across PUs.
4. If you have problem with blurred result on iREV, that's your wahala, take the physical one from which anything or EVERYTHING on iREV was scanned & posted, that's the PRIMARY SOURCE, not iREV.

5. If you tell me you have blurred result online, sebi I will ask you to show me the original one given to your Party physically from which the collation and announcements were made, did anyone announce result waiting for iREV when the PRIMARY SOURCE was physically used?

Don't insult me o, it's just common sense but we love the entertainment so far🤣🤣

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 5:57pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:


The constitution is only interested in whether a candidate was convicted by a court or not.there is no chance conviction,just a forfeiture.

Did Mr. OBI'S petition indicate Mr. Tinubu was convicted by a court of law in the U.S??

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Novarisammy2: 5:57pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:


The constitution is only interested in whether a candidate was convicted by a court or not.there is no chance conviction,just a forfeiture.

go and study the supreme court judgement on Mohammed Abacha vs FRN 2014 pertaining to forfeiture

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 5:57pm On Jul 05, 2023
Novarisammy2:


go and study the supreme court judgement on Mohammed Abacha vs FRN 2014 pertaining to forfeiture

You need to study section 182 of the constitution son
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 5:57pm On Jul 05, 2023
Badgers14:


Did Mr. OBI'S petition indicate Mr. Tinubu was convicted by a court of law in the U.S??

That is what he is driving at
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 5:58pm On Jul 05, 2023
GeneralDae:

Are there similar cases in America you could show us where there was an expungement in a big drug case and the person only forfeited and didn't go to jail?

How big is big??

This happens all the time..

Depending on the complexity of the case and the records of the suspect..
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Novarisammy2: 5:58pm On Jul 05, 2023
M4A1carbine:
Consolation...and tears grin.



premium tears for that matter. that's the last kick of a drowning man

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 5:59pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:


That is what he is driving at

Who was driving??

My question was, did Mr. Obi or through his lawyers assert that Mr. Tinubu was 'convicted' by a court of law in the U.S?

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by M4A1carbine: 5:59pm On Jul 05, 2023
But Bamidele, an American Attorney who actually tendered his Oluwole credentials in Court can discuss issues relating to Nigerian laws? The way you guys reason is Pathetic grin.



lapintoz:
I wonder o. An exercise that happened outside our jurisdiction. As if Nigerian supreme Court pronouncements where drawn from American constitution.

I guess anything that give una fake hope dey make una foam for mouth......mumu people


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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by GeneralDae: 5:59pm On Jul 05, 2023
Badgers14:


How big is big??

This happens all the time..

Depending on the complexity of the case and the records of the suspect..
A drug case supposedly worth millions of dollars in 1993 is big.

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 6:00pm On Jul 05, 2023
Novarisammy2:





No person shall be qualified for election to the
office of Governor of a State if -
(a) subject to the provisions of section 28 of this
Constitution, he has voluntarily acquired the
citizenship of a country other than Nigeria or, except
in such cases as may be prescribed by the National
Assembly, he has made a declaration of allegiance
to such other country; or
(b) he has been elected to such office at any two
previous elections; or
(c) under the law in any part of Nigeria, he is
adjudged to be a lunatic or otherwise declared to
be of unsound mind; or
(d) he is under a sentence of death imposed by any
competent court of law or tribunal in Nigeria or a
sentence of imprisonment for any offence involving
dishonesty or fraud (by whatever name called) or
any other offence imposed on him by any court or
tribunal or substituted by a competent authority for
any other sentence imposed on him by such a court
or tribunal; or
(e) within a period of less than ten years before the
date of election to the office of Governor of a State
he has been convicted and sentenced for an offence
involving dishonesty or he has been found guilty of
the contravention of the code of Conduct; or

read D and E carefully. Also take cognisance of the OR between D and E


The key words here are in Nigeria,10 years,conviction.that is clear,any other thing is ambiguous.the judges will not touch any other thing.
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Novarisammy2: 6:00pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:

That is what he is driving at
he asked you a yes or no question

do you have phobia when to comes to providing answer to such simple question?
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by M4A1carbine: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
Self indictment by their own witness


Badgers14:


Who was driving??

My question was, did Mr. Obi or through his lawyers assert that Mr. Tinubu was 'convicted' by a court of law in the U.S?

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by DOptical: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
Racoon:







You don't know what civil case? Common dey use brain. HSBC bank has the same exact case and forfeited money just like Tinubu'a compass investment company. Or you don't know what investment company means? Both was civil case, not criminal case.


HSBC Bank and Tinubu's compass investment company. Same exact situation! Same civil case! Same forfeiture! No one was convicted nor arrested. Heck, HSBC bank is still operating in USA today.
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
Novarisammy2:


he asked you a yes or no question


do you have phobia when to comes to providing answer to such simple question?

In law,not everything involves yes or no.obi has lost
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
GeneralDae:

A drug case supposedly worth millions of dollars in 1993 is big.

'Supposedly' that's hypothetical.

Again, recall in one of my posts I mentioned the guidelines 30 years ago and now are not usually the same..
Again, there might be other circumstances surrounding a case that are not captured in court papers or maybe it was captured..

All we see online was the final disposition of the case and not the court transcript of what happened day to day in court and during investigation of the case.
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
Badgers14:


Who was driving??

My question was, did Mr. Obi or through his lawyers assert that Mr. Tinubu was 'convicted' by a court of law in the U.S?

Then he is wasting his time and playing to the media
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Novarisammy2: 6:02pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:



The key words here are in Nigeria,10 years,conviction.that is clear,any other thing is ambiguous.the judges will not touch any other thing.

so you mean the judiciary whose primary role is interpretation of the constitution will allow the ambiguity in the constitution be?

this is hilarious

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Novarisammy2: 6:04pm On Jul 05, 2023
Lotanna2:

In law,not everything involves yes or no.obi has lost
you cannot just defend the indefensible

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by pafra(m): 6:04pm On Jul 05, 2023
Peppysco:


Learn to read and understand. His statement read that the forfeiture was handled as a civil case as a result, there was no conviction or sentencing and therefore cannot be regarded as a criminal case. Even Tinubu himself didn't deny that it happened, he willfully admitted because he knows so well that it can't be valuable in this case because a reasonable person will know that if he didn't go to jail for it, he can't be termed a criminal or an ex convict.

Where and when did he admit it? Tinubu have never spoken about it,(give me link) festus kayamo have been denying that it was tax issue
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by okuta007: 6:04pm On Jul 05, 2023
001Lagos:

So the $460,000 forfeited by Tinubu is for what if not drug?

Don’t mind Bamidele who is a US citizen and not fit to even be in the Senate of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 🇳🇬 A man who swore an oath of allegiance to the United states that he is willing to bear arms for America 🇺🇸 maybe probably against Nigeria IF there is an armed conflict between the 2 nations is here with his big nose talking anyhow - I don’t blame him

Na see dem see Nigeria finish sha …

I live in America and I have been here for almost 30 years - The United States Government will not gain forfeiture of money or any amount from any resident or citizen IF such funds are not tainted with criminality

I had a situation where a cousin to my friend came to the USA way back in year 2000 and he became broke because he can’t work

he asked his parents to send him money from Nigeria and there was no way for that money to come to the USA as the bank charges were outrageous - to send $1,000 i think then, the bank in Nigeria demanded (45%) $450 or so that’s what he told me … so his mom in Nigeria now stuffed $1,500 into talcum power and sent it by DHL to him here in the US

Guess what, that DHL parcel was intercepted here in the USA and he was contacted - after he gave his side of the story, they saw reasons with him - they asked him to swear an affidavit that all he said was true that his mom sent it to him ignorantly and he did and he was warned never to do such in the future and every penny of that money was given back to him - all $1,500 no penny taken away or forfeited..

Just think of what you just read - and apply it to Tinubu case.


I thought fake news Keyamo said the money was confiscated because Tinubu did not pay his taxes but when he got presented with counter allegations that Tinubu stated he was earning $2,000 a month as salary then, which is $24,000 a year - how come Tinubu owed $460,000 taxes on $24,000 a year income? does that make sense to anyone here with a brain ?

So for America to confiscate $460,000 of Tinubu’s money, it is a proceed from a crime - FULL STOP end of story!

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by chidiokay: 6:05pm On Jul 05, 2023
Favourchris:
Funny how same people who are supporting and defending Tinubu allegations and fraud are the one accusing some one of forging jamb result



If you had your sanity On you will realize, the appropriate institutions, i.e chicago state university and FBI at different times have come out to exenorate Tinubu.

In mmiesoma case the appropriate institution is the one disparaging her as forged/forged. if jamb say her result is fake and they backup it up with evidences of her real result .. so who on social media is more qualified to authenticate jamb result if not jamb

You all have teenagers that wrote jamb why not make enquiries and see who is telling lies.

who is in best position if not FRSC to tell you if your driver license is fake or not, even if you go to court who will the judges listen to. common sense is going extinct

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by wallrichy: 6:05pm On Jul 05, 2023
This is a highly technical case and for the fact that he wasn't convicted or sentenced, that made the case a forgone conclusion but for the forfeiture of that money is what I still can't relate to the criminal involvement of this case.
I think the forfeiture of the amount probably made the case a civil matter and not criminalized and also because of non direct involvement in the drug saga but just an account holder for drug related proceeds. It's a highly technical case that the principal was adjusted and acquitted and should be thrown out as non issue......




GeneralPula:
Bamidele, who is the immediate past Chairman of the Senate Committee on Judiciary and a registered member of the American Bar Association, said there was no conviction and sentence against Tinubu as required by law for it to be turned to criminal charges.

Case solved!

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Badgers14: 6:05pm On Jul 05, 2023
M4A1carbine:
Self indictment by your own witness has become rocket science? Omo, carry that useless reasoning and flush it. See the way you and your crew members are spamming and replying yourselves as if your opinion count. The criminal has be busted by his own witness. grin



If you are a court room brawler ( litigation/trial lawyer).. flipping your witness during cross is one of those many nightmares..

Remember this is someone you brought to boster your case and their testimony against any part of your case is usually regarded high because you can't say the other party prepped them to say this or say that..
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by 1stGenAmerican(f): 6:05pm On Jul 05, 2023
GeneralDae:

Are there similar cases in America you could show us where there was an expungement in a big drug case and the person only forfeited and didn't go to jail?

How can I show you an example of a similar case if it was successfully expunged? Expungement seals and/or deletes records.
In the majority of drug cases, when there’s a judicial forfeiture, the defendant is prosecuted and sentenced—this case included. The forfeiture can mean a lighter jail sentence but that’s not guaranteed. There’s no proof that he wasn’t convicted or that he didn’t serve time because a successful expungement seals the records from a criminal case, including sentencing and time served.
The question people should be asking is why someone who wasn’t convicted of a crime file for an expungement of his records. 😏

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Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by M4A1carbine: 6:05pm On Jul 05, 2023
Why are you crying...
Why are you lamenting...
Why are you becoming another Garfield1/Senatordave1?....abi na you?

Carry your shallow reasoning and smash it on the floor. Stop disgracing ya sef.. angry


Lotanna2:


In law,not everything involves yes or no.obi has lost
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by shonepa(m): 6:06pm On Jul 05, 2023
Was he convicted in the united states? Abi na another mata dem dey talk?




001Lagos:
It is only in Nigeria that a criminal drug pusher is made president by demented people
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by GeneralDae: 6:06pm On Jul 05, 2023
Badgers14:


'Supposedly' that's hypothetical.

Again, recall in one of my posts I mentioned the guidelines 30 years ago and now are not usually the same..
Again, there might be other circumstances surrounding a case that are not captured in court papers or maybe it was captured..

All we see online was the final disposition of the case and not the court transcript of what happened day to day in court and during investigation of the case.



In 1993 guidelines against drug cases were even stricter.
You are just bringing guesswork into court processes.
Court only deals with facts on ground. The facts available, not what we think could have happened.
Re: Forfeited $460,000 Was A Civil Matter: Tinubu's Witness, Bamidele Tells Tribunal by Lotanna2: 6:07pm On Jul 05, 2023
Novarisammy2:


so you mean the judiciary whose primary role is interpretation of the constitution will allow the ambiguity in the constitution be?

this is hilarious

Well,for the president or governors.acvording to the law of ambiguity,judges must take the most reasonable and easier interpretation.
The opening sentence in D is under a death sentence.all the other ors must be equivalent and in Nigeria.
The opening sentence in E is within 10 years and ten years has lapsed.nigeria is still jurisdictional.see the interpretation act

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