Ken4Christ:


Please, explain the verse of scripture below:

Romans 11:21
For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

When you read it from the previous verse

Romans 11:20 Well [because of unbelief they were..

Because of what?
Because of unbelief

So God will not spare any natural branch that loose his belief in Christ

And John 3:16 says that whosoever believes in him should have everlasting life

This invariably means whosoever does not believes in him will not have everlasting life.

So, all Christians have believed.
Call them fake pastors
Good pastors or whatever.

You can now see that our destiny is in our hands.

Ken4Christ:
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And what is this heavenly gift?
It is the gift of salvation.

How do you get the gift of salvation?
It is by believing in Christ.

So these people once believed, later they lost that belief just like many Christians ended up becoming atheists

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5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall FALL AWAY , to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put
him to an open shame.

The passage above let us know that it's possible for some believers to fall away.

paxonel

it is possible only if at some point they decided to disbelief. At that point they have fallen away

Ken4Christ:
Galatians 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 21 says that those who commit these things written in the passage will not inherit the kingdom of God. And this letter was written to the church warning us to desist from such acts.

paxonel

what the scripture says is very true!
And it is also applied in revelation.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Meaning, everyone were judged according to their works, but no one was justified into heaven.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Then after that, the book life which was the second book was brought and there was a roll call from this second book.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This was done after the roll Call.

OUR DESTINY IS IN OUR HANDS

Ken4Christ:

Saints of old are already in heaven. And those who die in Christ also go to heaven. There are scriptures that attest to this truth.

This is a lie even though you don't know you're lying!
The scriptures said:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

The question is has the Lord descended?
When did the Lord descended so that the dead (believing in him) rose from the dead to be forever with him in heaven?
The scripture here is saying that all those that lived before John the baptist are not worthy of resurrection not until those who knew Christ rise first.
So when did they go to heaven?

paxonel:

When you read it from the previous verse

Romans 11:20 Well [because of unbelief they were..

Because of what?
Because of unbelief

So God will not spare any natural branch that loose his belief in Christ

And John 3:16 says that whosoever believes in him should have everlasting life

This invariably means whosoever does not believes in him will not have everlasting life.

So, all Christians have believed.
Call them fake pastors
Good pastors or whatever.

You can now see that our destiny is in our hands.

It's not only unbelief that can make you a misfit for the kingdom of heaven. Unrepented sin can also cut you off.

Adultery, fornication, lying can make you a misfit for God's kingdom. There are many pastors and Christians who believe but commit these sins at will. They will rot in hell.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

paxonel:
what the scripture says is very true!
And it is also applied in revelation.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Meaning, everyone were judged according to their works, but no one was justified into heaven.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Then after that, the book life which was the second book was brought and there was a roll call from this second book.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This was done after the roll Call.

OUR DESTINY IS IN OUR HANDS

Our destiny is not just in your hands, it's in your deeds. You will be judged by your works.

MaxInDHouse:


This is a lie even though you don't know you're lying!
The scriptures said:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

The question is has the Lord descended?
When did the Lord descended so that the dead (believing in him) rose from the dead to be forever with him in heaven?
The scripture here is saying that all those that lived before John the baptist are not worthy of resurrection not until those who knew Christ rise first.
So when did they go to heaven?

Read verse 14 of the same chapter. It's says;

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.

It says that God will bring with Jesus those who slept in him when he comes back. Jesus will come back with them. They are in heaven with their spirit man. They are coming back to be reunited with their bodies which will be transformed into a glorified body.

Ken4Christ:

Read verse 14 of the same chapter. It's says;
For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus WILL GOD BRING WITH HIM.
It says that God will bring with Jesus those who slept in him when he comes back. Jesus will come back with them. They are in heaven with their spirit man. They are coming back to be reunited with their bodies which will be transformed into a glorified body.

You can lie hen!

Instead of agreeing that you committed a blunder.

God will bring them to rule with Christ Jesus not that they will come to the earth and reunite with their bodies which has routine in the grave.
Jesus said they will be like angels because they don't need physical bodies as they've been transformed during their resurrection as spirits not humans having bodies of flesh and blood! 1Corinthians 15:50

MaxInDHouse:


You can lie hen!

Instead of agreeing that you committed a blunder.

God will bring them to rule with Christ Jesus not that they will come to the earth and reunite with their bodies which has routine in the grave.
Jesus said they will be like angels because they don't need physical bodies as they've been transformed during their resurrection as spirits not humans having bodies of flesh and blood! 1Corinthians 15:50

You are arguing with the scriptures. Read the entire passage. Well, your unbelief will not change the truth of God's word. You will have sense when you land in the pit of hell. But it will be too late to repent.

Ken4Christ:

You are arguing with the scriptures. Read the entire passage. Well, your unbelief will not change the truth of God's word. You will have sense when you land in the pit of hell. But it will be too late to repent.

Hell Hell Hell
Must everything you don't know end up with this empty threats?
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni resurrection means the dead will be brought back to life so they're not alive until the day of resurrection!

MaxInDHouse:


Hell Hell Hell
Must everything you don't know end up with this empty threats?
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni resurrection means the dead will be brought back to life so they're not alive until the day of resurrection!

Philippians 1:22-24.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, AND TO BE WITH CHRIST; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Apostle Paul said he had a desire to depart and be with Christ. He is talking about his spirit which is the real man. And he has been with Christ ever since he died. And many other saints are with Christ.

But those who die without Christ will go to hell. They will be there suffering torment until the final day of judgment.

MaxInDHouse:


Hell Hell Hell
Must everything you don't know end up with this empty threats?
Ọ̀gbẹ́ni resurrection means the dead will be brought back to life so they're not alive until the day of resurrection!

He's more grounded in scripture and has depth than you. It's clear to see. All his epistales is accurate. Departed saints are already in heaven as we speak. The truest confirmation is the spirit of God bearing witness with us about this.

Ken4Christ:


Philippians 1:22-24.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.

23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, AND TO BE WITH CHRIST; which is far better:

24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.

Apostle Paul said he had a desire to depart and be with Christ. He is talking about his spirit which is the real man. And he has been with Christ ever since he died. And many other saints are with Christ.

But those who die without Christ will go to hell. They will be there suffering torment until the final day of judgment.

Paul will die and on the day of resurrection he will be with Christ not at the moment he died that's why he said:

those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16b-17a

Those who died as born again Christians will rise first and the remaining who are still alive will later join them immediately at death which means such ones will not stay unconscious in their graves for any reason.

If they're not dead they can't go to Heaven:

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians 15:42-44

So nobody is going to heaven without dying first, the corrupt body must be sown before the bearer can get the glorious one at resurrection!

Wodu89:

He's more grounded in scripture and has depth than you. It's clear to see. All his epistales is accurate. Departed saints are already in heaven as we speak. The truest confirmation is the spirit of God bearing witness with us about this.

That spirit is deceiving you, without resurrection nobody is going to heaven!

MaxInDHouse:


Paul will die and on the day of resurrection he will be with Christ not at the moment he died that's why he said:

those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:16b-17a

Those who died as born again Christians will rise first and the remaining who are still alive will later join them immediately at death which means such ones will not stay unconscious in their graves for any reason.

If they're not dead they can't go to Heaven:

So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 1Corinthians 15:42-44

So nobody is going to heaven without dying first, the corrupt body must be sown before the bearer can get the glorious one at resurrection!

Paul and other saints are already with Christ. His real self which is his spirit man is still alive. Who will deliver you from the brainwashing of Jehovah Witness teachings? They have so damaged your brain that it can't accept or believe the truth.

Ken4Christ:

Paul and other saints are already with Christ. His real self which is his spirit man is still alive. Who will deliver you from the brainwashing of Jehovah Witness teachings? They have so damaged your brain that it can't accept or believe the truth.

Nollywood movies and false religions have finished you completely!

When did Paul travel to heaven?

Are you saying the spirit of all creatures go to heaven? Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Because according to God's word all souls are in the grave awaiting a resurrection! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

MaxInDHouse:


Nollywood movies and false religions have finished you completely!

When did Paul travel to heaven?

Are you saying the spirit of all creatures go to heaven? Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

Because according to God's word all souls are in the grave awaiting a resurrection! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Explain the passage below to me

2nd Corinthians 12:2-4
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth

4 How that he was CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Notice, Paul said he did not know if it was in his body or out of his body. The first means his total man was caught up. The second is his spirit man.

Please, try to start Bible lessons again. I will teach you free of charge.

Ken4Christ:

Explain the passage below to me
2nd Corinthians 12:2-4
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Notice, Paul said he did not know if it was in his body or out of his body. The first means his total man was caught up. The second is his spirit man.
Please, try to start Bible lessons again. I will teach you free of charge.

Misinformed churchgoer, Jesus died and spend three days in the grave before resurrection so when did Paul travel to heaven after his death?

MaxInDHouse:


Misinformed churchgoer, Jesus died and spend three days in the grave before resurrection so when did Paul travel to heaven after his death?

You are in the dark. You will never understand spiritual things. Apostle Paul is narrating his vision. He was caught up to heaven and you are asking me when did it happen? Are you saying that Paul or the Bible is lying.

He came back from the experience and he put it down in writing.

So many others in the present world we are living in have had similar experience.

Read the encounter of Mary Baxter who was caught up to heaven.

Heaven is real. When you die in Christ, your spirit goes there. But if you don't have Jesus, it goes to hell. This is the simple truth that Jehovah Witness is denying and brainwashing millions of people slain from the foundation of the world.

I feel sorry that you are one of their victims.

Ken4Christ:

You are in the dark. You will never understand spiritual things. Apostle Paul is narrating his vision. He was caught up to heaven and you are asking me when did it happen? Are you saying that Paul or the Bible is lying. He came back from the experience and he put it down in writing. So many others in the present world we are living in have had similar experience.
Read the encounter of Mary Baxter who was caught up to heaven. Heaven is real. When you die in Christ, your spirit goes there. But if you don't have Jesus, it goes to hell. This is the simple truth that Jehovah Witness is denying and brainwashing millions of people slain from the foundation of the world. I feel sorry that you are one of their victims.

God's servants in ancient times have seen visions of what is happening in heaven but that doesn't mean they went there!

MaxInDHouse:

God's servants in ancient times have seen visions of what is happening in heaven but that doesn't mean they went there!

But Paul said he was caught up there. Are you saying that he is lying?

Ken4Christ:

But Paul said he was caught up there. Are you saying that he is lying?

Cut up (in a vision) not literally!

At Jesus' last breath similar vision was seen as dead people were resurrected in the vision {Matthew 27:51-53} it doesn't mean that dead people were literally walking up and down in the city when Jesus has not called nah?
Remember that the dead in Christ will rise first so it's a vision not what happened literally!

MaxInDHouse:

Cut up (in a vision) not literally!

At Jesus' last breath similar vision was seen as dead people were resurrected in the vision {Matthew 27:51-53} it doesn't mean that dead people were literally walking up and down in the city when Jesus has not called nah?
Remember that the dead in Christ will rise first so it's a vision not what happened literally!

I know a Pastor friend of mine who was literally caught up while praying with a friend. And for the period he was caught up, his friend just remained motionless until he came back. His friend was like a molded statue.

This experience is real.

Robert Liardon was also caught up in his full body to heaven at the age of 8 years. And he documented it in a book titled, I saw heaven.

Vision happens when you are in a particular place and your eyes open to see things.

But some people were caught up literally. They saw themselves being lifted up above the cloud into the heavens.

You will not believe because you don't have the spirit of God. An evil spirit of unbelief has taken over your life.

If you read Paul writing, he said he does not know if he was in his body or out of his body.

Paul knows the difference between being caught up and vision.

He also narrated different visions he saw.

Please, give your life to Christ and position yourself to experience the supernatural life in Christ.

Ken4Christ:

I know a Pastor friend of mine who was literally caught up while praying with a friend. And for the period he was caught up, his friend just remained motionless until he came back. His friend was like a molded statue.
This experience is real.
Robert Liardon was also caught up in his full body to heaven at the age of 8 years. And he documented it in a book titled, I saw heaven.
Vision happens when you are in a particular place and your eyes open to see things.
But some people were caught up literally. They saw themselves being lifted up above the cloud into the heavens.
You will not believe because you don't have the spirit of God. An evil spirit of unbelief has taken over your life.
If you read Paul writing, he said he does not know if he was in his body or out of his body.
Paul knows the difference between being caught up and vision.
He also narrated different visions he saw.
Please, give your life to Christ and position yourself to experience the supernatural life in Christ.

Nollywood movies and lies from false religions, so Paul went to heaven before he died or it's after he died?

MaxInDHouse:


Nollywood movies and lies from false religions, so Paul went to heaven before he died or it's after he died?

Yes he did. And he narrated his experience in his letter to the church in Corinth. He came back from the visit. Many more have had the experience. Some to hell and some to heaven. It is very real.

Paul experience was not written in a fiction book. It's in the Bible. When he had a vision of our Lord Jesus, he also said it. This time, he said, he was caught up literally.

Please, leave the Jehovah Witness organization. Unlearn things they have taught you. Embrace the gospel of our Lord Jesus. Receive the baptism with the Holy Spirit. And you will see the difference between religion and true Christianity.

Ken4Christ:

Yes he did. And he narrated his experience in his letter to the church in Corinth. He came back from the visit. Many more have had the experience. Some to hell and some to heaven. It is very real.

So Paul went to heaven before his death shey?

Please wait for everyone to have the same experience before agreeing with you because God's word says it's only after (not before) death that people can see the judgement of God! Hebrews 9:27

But since you believe it's possible to see it before then everyone must see it as God's word never said so as for what Paul saw it was a vision not what happened literally and it wasn't meant to convince others but to help them know how possible it is for humans to go to heaven as spirits not with flesh and blood.

MaxInDHouse:


So Paul went to heaven before his death shey?

Please wait for everyone to have the same experience before agreeing with you because God's word says it's only after (not before) death that people can see the judgement of God! Hebrews 9:27

But since you believe it's possible to see it before then everyone must see it as God's word never said so as for what Paul saw it was a vision not what happened literally and it wasn't meant to convince others but to help them know how possible it is for humans to go to heaven as spirits not with flesh and blood.

It's a supernatural experience. It can't happen to everyone. It's according to the will of God. Some have also visited hell and came back. Mary Baxter has visited both hell and heaven. It does not happen to everyone.

Some go with their spirit out of their body while others go with their complete body. This is why Paul was uncertain whether he was out of his body or in his body when he had the experience.

Ken4Christ:


It's a supernatural experience. It can't happen to everyone. It's according to the will of God. Some have also visited hell and came back. Mary Baxter has visited both hell and heaven. It does not happen to everyone.

Some go with their spirit out of their body while others go with their complete body. This is why Paul was uncertain whether he was out of his body or in his body when he had the experience.

Let those with heaven and hell experience stay on their lane as for what happened to Paul he had a vision not what happened literally!

MaxInDHouse:


Let those with heaven and hell experience stay on their lane as for what happened to Paul he had a vision not what happened literally!

You unbelief will not change the truth of the scripture. It will eventually land you in hell. You will feel very sorry for yourself the day you see your soul in hell. You will remember all the opportunities you had to repent but threw them away. It's your choice. You have chosen your destiny.

With due respect sir, I think you are lost. Even Jesus says he’ll tell some pastors that “I never knew you” but you are saying otherwise. I can sense you are one of those hyper-grace people, and all I’ll say is that you should repent your heart towards God and accept his word as true.

paxonel:
what the scripture says is very true!
And it is also applied in revelation.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Meaning, everyone were judged according to their works, but no one was justified into heaven.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Then after that, the book life which was the second book was brought and there was a roll call from this second book.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

This was done after the roll Call.

OUR DESTINY IS IN OUR HANDS

Mr max, this is poor understanding. Your comprehension is not of Godly level.

MaxInDHouse:


This is a lie even though you don't know you're lying!
The scriptures said:

because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:16-17

The question is has the Lord descended?
When did the Lord descended so that the dead (believing in him) rose from the dead to be forever with him in heaven?
The scripture here is saying that all those that lived before John the baptist are not worthy of resurrection not until those who knew Christ rise first.
So when did they go to heaven?