00FFT00:


The foregoing is your subjective opinion at best. When the votes are properly counted and allocated, we can then talk about who will do what. For now, don't forget PDP magnanimously informed all of us that APC only scored 190,000 votes in Lagos at the presidential election pursuant to their situation room intelligence, while INEC awarded Tinubu 500+ thousand votes in the same location. These are the things that ought to be worrying to all Nigerians, and more.

We understand why INEC elected to hide the BVAS machines. But we'll make the arguments consistent with ObiDatti and LP pleadings, and back it up with empirical facts.

As for FCT, I believe we have settled that discussion on the agreement that there's absolutely no discussion regarding its dictation and application in the constitution. No president has emerged since 1999 without crossing that Rubicon, fraudulently or otherwise, and that's a good place to leave it.

I tell you truly, all eyes are on the judiciary as we speak.

tinsel:

What efforts did the petitioner made to tackle the issue if Rivers? You want the defense to open up in areas the petitioner failed?

garfield1:


You have nothing to say except what you read on social media.you followed the case and proceedings.obi never showed proof of any invalid votes or any of his stolen votes.even the Lagos votes,obi never brought any proof.obi had All the time to recount and tell us his real figures but he failed.the case is over

00FFT00:


I'm not sure what you're referring to. INEC refused to comply with the subpoenas they were issued, denied the petitioners access to the BVAs devices, etc. You know all that too well.

But there are other sources from which some of this information has been extrapolated for the courts' information. Let's wait for Obi and LP's response.

garfield1:


Obi could have provided his evidences still without bvas and failed to

garfield1:


Obi could have provided his evidences still without bvas and failed to

00FFT00:


You are still in error in your thinking. Certainly, your possession of the constitution shows that you are interested in your country's legal framework, but so do a lot of us as well.

I am not given to quoting from the book unless I have to, but if you indeed purchased and took the time to study the book, you would be familiar with the conjunction placed on the relationship between the FCT and the states in the context of the 25% requirement.

"And", means Plus. It is a separate requirement that has to co-join to make the whole. So, 25% of the votes in 2/3 of the federating states AND the FCT.

Tinubu fell short of the requirement, having allegedly obtained 18+ percent of these said votes. Allegedly, because we know that votes were simply allocated to him in various places.

The absence of a “normal” executive governor in Abuja prevented Tinubu from scaling over this threshold. There is no criminal structure such as we unfortunately find in our states to rig the votes for him in the FCT. This also explains why LP took the FCT senate seat.

TheOldGods:
Are there senatorial seats in Abuja? If your answer is yes, Mr Philip adua was voted in by Abuja resident to represent and make lawas for them. There are also other senators. Who are the people that make laws? Legislatures.is a senator a legislature? If that is correct did I answer your question?

Odibembem:


What prevented the framers of the constitution from saying a winner must score "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states and 25% in the FCT"? Was it that their ink was not plenty enough or they didn't have enough paper or space to write it?

Odibembem:


The FCT has only one Senatorial seat, d one previously occupied by Ajuda now by Gwadabe. No other senatorial seat. Then just two Reps. And they are not elected to make law for d FCT but to represent FCT in making laws for the entire federation. In other words d FCT does not elect their own lawmakers, d rest of Nigeria jointly elect lawmakers for d FCT. The argument that they should elect d president cos he is their governor by having a veto over d rest of us makes no sense. Now what stopped d framers of the constitution from saying that a winner must have "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states and 25% in FCT"? Was it for lack of enough ink in their pen or lack of enough writing space and paper?

Odibembem:


The FCT has only one Senatorial seat, d one previously occupied by Ajuda now by Gwadabe. No other senatorial seat. Then just two Reps. And they are not elected to make law for d FCT but to represent FCT in making laws for the entire federation. In other words d FCT does not elect their own lawmakers, d rest of Nigeria jointly elect lawmakers for d FCT. The argument that they should elect d president cos he is their governor by having a veto over d rest of us makes no sense. Now what stopped d framers of the constitution from saying that a winner must have "25% in 2/3 of the 36 states and 25% in FCT"? Was it for lack of enough ink in their pen or lack of enough writing space and paper?

TheOldGods:
So we have established that fct indeed has a senator and also house of reps. Should we also say that The senator's in Lagos state are voted in by Lagos indigens to make law for the entire Nigerian's and not Lagos state as a state from your above presentation?. You have established that states produce senators to represent them, and not to make law for their states but for the entire nation. If that is the case, why should we give constitutional allowance to each senators to develop their states? After all they are to make laws for Nigeria and as such a Lagos senator should have the jurisdiction to build constituency roads in Kano state!. It makes no sense because senatorial seat is at federal level, we have state legislatures that makes laws for the state. For you to say fct reps only make laws for entire Nigeria is flawed, because what else is the work of the state house of assembly?. If states have house of assembly to make laws for them, my question is Does FCT also have state legislatures that makes law for them?if no then are the senators not serving the same purpose in state and in federal level for them?

00FFT00:


You need to get your facts right, my man.
The current senator for the FCT is Mrs. Ireti Kingibe of the Labour Party (LP).

Odibembem:


My mistake, Senator Kingibe and not Gwadabe, will do d correction. But thank God that's d only disagreement in my write up. In your heart of hears, u know am right, that on d FCT issue, Obi has no case and his petition would be going outa d window

Odibembem:


In Lagos, the Senators they elect don't make laws specifically for Lagos but for d federation. They also elect house of assembly members who makes laws specifically for Lagos State. FCT residents don't enjoy that privilege of electing their own lawmakers in houses of assembly, d rest of Nigeria elect for them. Meaning that defacto they are actually lesser than a state. How do u now want such a territory to have veto vote over d rest of Nigeria? Is it to compensate them or what? In d US, their capital DC did not even have a vote in determining d president, only in 1960 where they now given a meager 3 electoral college votes. Pls don't overflog a dead horse, d judges will never inteprete d constitution in a way that elevates d residents of d FCT over d rest of us. It can never happen as that was never d intent of d law. As I said, d constitution NEVER said "25% of 2/3 of the 36 states and 25% of the FCT"

TheOldGods:
this is not USA this is Nigeria, we don't practice USA laws. So does the whole of Nigerians also elect the senators that will represent Abuja? So you voted for the senator that is representing Abuja from your state right? The Constitution made it clear, that you need 2/3 and 25% in Abuja, because the president is the governor of Abuja. Meanwhile answer my question above thanks.

I also asked you, are the senators representing Abuja also serving as state legislators since there is no state house of assembly, After all the president serves as the governor of Abuja alone and the president of Nigeria, so do we eradicate the part of the senator?

00FFT00:


I knew the name mix up was an unintended oversight. We understand. But that is where harmony ends between us in terms of the matter in discussion. You are well-informed regarding Section 134 (2) of the Constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended and I quote verbatim:

“A candidate for an election to the office of President shall be deemed to have been duly elected where, there being more than two candidates for the election, he has the highest number of votes cast at the election; and must have nothing less than one-quarter of the votes cast at the election in each of at least two-thirds of all the States in the Federation and the Federal Capital Territory (FCT), Abuja.”

Having regard to the very letter or even the intent of the forgoing, the conjectures or innuendos vis-à-vis what the real intent of the writers is, is a discretionary exercise. Will you also make these same arguments if any of Peter Obi or Atiku Abubakar are sitting in Aso Rock tonight?.

I understand what's at stake, but we must endeavor to stand on the side of the truth as much as possible, or better still, at all times. This is one of such times.

Igwe9:
Surprisingly, APC in their defense show that FCT is not to be treated as a state of the federation and on the same hand not superior to any state of the federation but failed to oppose where it was mentioned in the constitution that a candidate must get 25% in 2/3 of the 36 states AND FCT.
They also said that FCT has no Governor and other things that the states have, the President and the Law makers oversee the affairs in the FCT and this means that the only way FCT dwellers can contribute on who governs them is through their ballot of which 1/4th must be in support of whoever that's going to emerge.

Funflipper:



Can you tell the difference between
"25% in 2/3 of the 36 states and FCT" and
"25% in FCT and 2/3 of the 36 states".?
Both statements consist of the same words but are completely different in meaning. Fair enough, English is a borrowed language, but what is so hard in this for you Obidients to understand?

Odibembem:


The Senator I voted for does not represent Abuja but he makes law for Abuja. Abuja residents do not exclusively vote for the state lawmakers that makes laws for them unlike we in d states who exclusively vote for our own. All the 108 Senators and over 300 Reps are d ones that make laws for Abuja. Abuja residents never voted for them. Same way d President d whole of Nigeria voted for exercise executive power in Abuja. As NASS members were not expected to win in Abuja, so d President is not expected to win in Abuja.
Finally d constitution never made it clear that u must score 25% in d FCT. I don't know where some of ubgot this. It said score 25% of votes in 2/3 of the states and he FCT. Note that it did NOT say "score 25% of votes in the states and 25% of votes in the FCT." It rather lumped the states and FCT together. Ask yourself why!!

Igwe9:

What's the answer to 2/3( A +B) or 2/3( 36A +B)?

TheOldGods:
Omo, you just shifting goal posts. Apc can't defend without looking stupid. I asked a question since we started yet na to shift goal post. Is the president the governor of Abuja? Yes or no?

Funflipper:


That means you cannot tell the difference. You don't need a mathematical equation to understand a simple sentence.

fergie001:

He is representing Peter Mbah
Onyechi Ikpeazu is representing APC in Ogun State
Okutepa is representing Ombugadu & PDP in Nasarawa