bobestman:
You are like a student who asked a question and the teacher answered and even taught him those he didn't ask. Instead of him to be grateful, he got angry cos the teacher taught him more things deeper than what he asked. You are an ignorant fool and very comfortable in it.

Did I ask you to narrate how the name Jesus came to be or I ask you for the original owner of the name? If you want to justify your atheism, why not do it in a matured way? If you are an Anti-Christ, let me deal with you in an Anti-Christ way rather than narrating the story of your family to me here

Kobojunkie:
Interesting that your conclusion is that Jesus Christ's Gospel messages, as detailed in John 3 vs 1 - 21 and Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, including the Parable of wheat and tares, are misleading. Well, Jesus Christ did say that not all will accept His teachings and commandments.

See another stupidity displaying above, go back to your religious leaders, you advice them to go for deliverance because not everybody will adhere to the nonsense they have taught you by twisting the word of God to suit your ignorance

Jerryhare:


Are you using question to answer question?

Face topic and stop looking for technicalities. What is bad in questioning. The question is to understand your point better, that is if you have any point.

Jerryhare:


Did I ask you to narrate how the name Jesus came to be or I ask you for the original owner of the name? If you want to justify your atheism, why not do it in a matured way? If you are an Anti-Christ, let me deal with you in an Anti-Christ way rather than narrating the story of your family to me here

You are still behaving like that foolish and ignorant student. You don't know who the true messiah is and you are talking about Anti-Christ. You need to be cured of your ignorance and brainwash but you are still lifting you shoulders in pride

Jerryhare:
■ See another stupidity displaying above, go back to your religious leaders, you advice them to go for deliverance because not everybody will adhere to the nonsense they have taught you by twisting the word of God to suit your ignorance

You are still not making any sense to me. I have so religious leaders and I do not bow to religion. So I am not certain why you feel that attacking me and not the message will get you anywhere in this. The message is direct and is Jesus Christ. He is the one you should direct your tirade at in honesty.

Kobojunkie:
You are still not making any sense to me. I have so religious leaders and I do not bow to religion. So I am not certain why you feel that attacking me and not the message will get you anywhere in this. The message is direct and is Jesus Christ. He is the one you should direct your tirade at in honesty.

So you're making sense by saying the sheeps and goats are all born again and citizens of God's kingdom right? Your religious leaders have failed you

bobestman:
You are still behaving like that foolish and ignorant student. You don't know who the true messiah is and you are talking about Anti-Christ. You need to be cured of your ignorance and brainwash but you are still lifting you shoulders in pride

Your stupidity, nonsensical, ignorant etc ought to have tell you that the Christ in front of Jesus means MESSIAH (Saviour) but telling me that Jesus is not the true Messiah really shows how dumbass you are because no one on earth ever bear the name MESSIAH except Jesus alone.

I think I'm done with your folly!

Jerryhare:
■ So you're making sense by saying the sheeps and goats are all born again and citizens of God's kingdom right? Your religious leaders have failed you

I see you have never read and come to fully grasped what Jesus Christ said in the context of John 3 vs 1 - 21 for your own self then. When He said, "Everyone must be born-again." in order to partake the Kingdom of God --- either as wheat or Tares -- Jesus Christ meant it.

Sangoamadioha1:



Face topic and stop looking for technicalities. What is bad in questioning. The question is to understand your point better, that is if you have any point.

Let me make it easier for you, take your dictionary check for the meaning of SYNAGOGUE and also CHURCH then check back later for further discussion

Kobojunkie:
I see you have never read and come to fully grasped what Jesus Christ said in the context of John 3 vs 1 - 21 for your own self then. When He said, "Everyone must be born-again." in order to partake the Kingdom of God --- either as wheat or Tares -- Jesus Christ meant it.

Look at what you're saying again by confusing yourself. Since you know that everyone MUST be born again to partake in God's kingdom you shouldn't have concluded in your previous posts that both sheeps and goats are born again. Address your confusion first, is that clear?

Jerryhare:
■ Look at what you're saying again by confusing yourself. Since you know that everyone MUST be born again to partake in God's kingdom you shouldn't have concluded in your previous posts that both sheeps and goats are born again. Address your confusion first, is that clear?

Again, your confusion has absolutely nothing to do with me. That you can't see what is right before your very eyes is beyond me, I am afraid.

Jerryhare:


Let me make it easier for you, take your dictionary check for the meaning of SYNAGOGUE and also CHURCH then check back later for further discussion

Stop rubbish and make your point, what is the dancing about for?
Church is a place of worship for Christians and synagogue is a place of worship for those practicing Jewish religion, although we have seen where Christian place of worship is also called a synagogue like T.B.Joshua's church. Oya make your point.

Kobojunkie:
Again, your confusion has absolutely nothing to do with me. That you can't see what is right before your very eyes is beyond me, I am afraid.

Let me show you the confusion you displayed here

IS ONLY here

Kobojunkie:

Judgement day as explained by Jesus Christ is only for those who are born-again and citizens of the Kingdom of God aka the sheep and goats in the Kingdom of God. You need to see the sheep as the law-abiding citizens in the Kingdom of God whereas the goats, also citizens of the Kingdom of God (born-agains) are those who refuse to obey the Law of God in the Kingdom of God

AND MUST here

Kobojunkie:
I see you have never read and come to fully grasped what Jesus Christ said in the context of John 3 vs 1 - 21 for your own self then. When He said, "Everyone must be born-again." in order to partake the Kingdom of God --- either as wheat or Tares -- Jesus Christ meant it.

Na you type am nobody type for you, how does the two statements take resemble each other olodo

Sangoamadioha1:



Stop rubbish and make your point, what is the dancing about for?
Church is a place of worship for Christians and synagogue is a place of worship for those practicing Jewish religion, although we have seen where Christian place of worship is also called a synagogue like T.B.Joshua's church. Oya make your point.

How am I rubbishing myself? After you follow the instruction I gave to consult the dictionary, can you now see that your life didn't remain the same again?

Does Jesus Christ observe the sabbath day inside the house of God or NOT?

Jerryhare:


How am I rubbishing myself? After you follow the instruction I gave to consult the dictionary, can you now see that your life didn't remain the same again?

Does Jesus Christ observe the sabbath day inside the house of God or NOT?

I humored you by defining those terms (from my head not dictionary). My point still stands thar he observed a Jewish tradition in a Jewish place of worship, he did not tell you to observe sabbath day in the church. You can quote the Bible to disprove this point.

Jerryhare:
■ Let me show you the confusion you displayed here IS ONLY here AND MUST here. Na you type am nobody type for you, how does the two statements take resemble each other olodo

You do realize that I can't read your mind and so unable to tell what part of any of those posts you are confused about.

If you have a question, else, just accept that you and I may never be on the same level understanding wise as long as you continue to ignore the teachings of Jesus Christ in this..

Sangoamadioha1:




I humored you by defining those terms (from my head not dictionary). My point still stands thar he observed a Jewish tradition in a Jewish place of worship, he did not tell you to observe sabbath day in the church. You can quote the Bible to disprove this point.

Na who asked you where you defined it from? What I needed has been told by you. Both Synagogue and Church are PLACES OF WORSHIP as you said.

Jesus Christ observed the sabbath in the place of worship which is the house of God. You only came with Jewish or whatsoever to console your ignorance because JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, let me shock you with that point again You will cry me river today aswear

Kobojunkie:
You do realize that I can't read your mind and so unable to tell what part of any of those posts you are confused about.

If you have a question, else, just accept that you and I may never be on the same level understanding wise as long as you continue to ignore the teachings of Jesus Christ in this..

Na question I dey ask, is ONLY and MUST as used in your above statements the same?

Jerryhare:



Na who asked you where you defined it from? What I needed has been told by you. Both Synagogue and Church are PLACES OF WORSHIP as you said.

Jesus Christ observed the sabbath in the place of worship which is the house of God. You only came with Jewish or whatsoever to console your ignorance because JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH, let me shock you with that point again You will cry me river today aswear

Oya quote where Jesus said sabbath should be spent in the church (at least that is our original argument. I am looking forward to see how you will 'make me cry a river '

Sangoamadioha1:



Oya quote where Jesus said sabbath should be spent in the church (at least that is our original argument. I am looking forward to see how you will 'make me cry a river '

See dumbass question oo, so what we've been discussing since with Bible references never shows that Jesus Christ observed the Sabbath in the place of worship (The house of God) which can either be the Temple, Synagogue or Church right?

But wait how old are you?

Jerryhare:


See dumbass question oo, so what we've been discussing since with Bible references never shows that Jesus Christ observed the Sabbath in the place of worship (The house of God) which can either be the Temple, Synagogue or Church right?

But wait how old are you?

I have refrained from insulting you thinking i was discussing with a matured person but i guess that is not the case. Let's end this. If you quote the Bible verse that says Jesus said we should spend sabbath day in church then i would gladly accept your argument. If not, then shut up and go to bed. If you don't quote that verse, i would not be replying you again.

Sangoamadioha1:



I have refrained from insulting you thinking i was discussing with a matured person but i guess that is not the case. Let's end this. If you quote the Bible verse that says Jesus said we should spend sabbath day in church then i would gladly accept your argument. If not, then shut up and go to bed. If you don't quote that verse, i would not be replying you again.

So what we have been discussing since with Bible references shows that Jesus Christ who is the HEAD OF THE CHURCH observed the sabbath inside the shrine abi? Is Synagogue, Church, Temple not the HOUSE OF GOD Jesus worshipped in by observing the Sabbath right?

Infact interacting with you is giving me headache just because you're talking like a toddler

BYEEEE

Jerryhare:
■ Na question I dey ask, is ONLY and MUST as used in your above statements the same?

□ The judgement day as explained in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 by the King and Judge in the Kingdom of God ( His Jurisdiction) applies only to those who are citizens of the Kingdom of God aka born-agains.
□ You must be born-again if you are to be in anyway impacted by the anything that pertains to the the Kingdom of God, judgment at the end included.


Which of the above are you having issues with?

Kobojunkie:
□ The judgement day as explained in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46 by the King and Judge in the Kingdom of God ( His Jurisdiction) applies only to those who are citizens of the Kingdom of God aka born-agains.
□ You must be born-again if you are to be in anyway impacted by the anything that pertains to the the Kingdom of God, judgment at the end included.


Which of the above are you having issues with?

Judge yourself, are the two statements the same in context and meaning?

Jerryhare:
■ Judge yourself, are the two statements the same in context and meaning?

Anyways... good luck!

Kobojunkie:
Anyways... good luck!

Be mindful of your thoughts next time, don't be too known or else you will result to a laughing stock. Where your own knowledge stopped is where others started from.

Anyways, stay bless and be focused!

Hiswordxray:
"Jesus declared, “Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem... Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.”" (John 4:21,23,24).

Jesus did not say, "It no longer matters whether you worship God on this mountain nor in Jerusalem, you can worship God anywhere". He didn't say we can worship God in any place. Rather he said worship should be done in spirit and in truth. Yes, he was saying worship has shifted from something you do in a physical place, to something you do in the Spirit within you. Now you wonder, after this statement of Jesus, why are believers still going to a building to worship God?

From that statement of Jesus, we get an idea of how God expect us to live the Kingdom life. And it's definitely not by building worship centers. There is no indication anywhere in the New Testament that God desires that believers today should build houses of worship unto him. Rather we see the opposite of that.

“However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: ‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? Has My hand not made all these things?" (Acts 7:48).

After the Scripture has clearly stated that God does not live in any physical building. Then why do we build churches and call them the house of God? Are we not contradicting the Scripture? If Jesus said worship should be done in spirit, and God wants it that way, then why do we go to a building to worship God? Is that building spirit, is it made of spirit bricks? Why have we chosen to be children of disobedience?

We discover that for the first 300 years after the ascension of Jesus believers refused to build any church. It wasn't because they were not opportune to, it wasn't because they don't have the money, or they were constantly on a run. Come on, people who are on a run will not go to public places to preach. Read the Bible, the apostles were not preaching underground, they preached in public places. It is false to assume that the 1st-century believers fellowship in their homes rather than building churches because they were hiding. They were not hiding, they understood the instructions of Jesus as such refused to have a building for worship services.

During Paul's first missionary Journey, one of the first places that Paul went to minister was the island of Cyprus. There a governor accept the gospel and became a believer (read Acts 13:4-12). Paul continued his ministry for over 10 years and the Bible made no mention of the church-building that this governor built. In fact, we discovered that the believers on the island of Cyprus continue to gather in their homes.

Why would a man of great resource like Governor Sergius Paulus refuse to build a church for him and the believers in Cyprus to worship God? Why didn't Paul write a letter to Sergius Paulus warning him against greed and asking him to use his money and resources to fund the house of God so that the believers in Cyprus can have a place to worship?

The Philippines were the wealthiest believers out of all the communities Paul ministered. They consist of people with high status in the Roman Empire. They had more than enough money to fund a church-building project. But why didn't they? If your heart is sincere towards God you will ask these questions. Why is it that for 300 years believers refused to build a church despite the available opportunities?

Paul ministered in Ephesus for 3 years, and that was enough time to build a church in Ephesus. Yet he refused to. Instead, believers continued to fellowship in their homes. The homes were too small for Paul to minister. Instead of organising the believers to make contributions and build a church, Paul decided to rent a school. No, they were not gathering in that school for worship services.

Many of the people who came there were unbelievers, curious minds from all over the province of Asia, gathering to listen to Paul's teachings. The believers continued to fellowship at their homes. From the 1st century down to the 3rd century Christians strongly believed that God doesn't want them to build churches. They believe it was against the Christian faith to build churches. Here are quotes from the letters of Christian leaders in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

"The Word, prohibiting all sacrifices and the building of temples, indicates that the Almighty is not contained in anything." Clement of Alexandria (year 195).

"We refuse to build lifeless temples to the Giver of all life... Our bodies are the temple of God... When they reproach us for not deeming it necessary to worship the divine Being by raising lifeless temples, we set before them our temples [bodies]." Origen (year 248).

From Jesus' discussion with the Samaritan woman, we see that the way he envisioned that the Christian life will be lived is not one where believers like the Jews and Samaritans keep going to some physical place to worship God.

From Stephen's speech, we see that God has no intention of us building a house for him.

In Paul's ministry, we see that he refused to have a building dedicated to Christian worship.

From the behaviours of the 1st-century believers, especially the wealthy ones, we understood that using your money to build churches was never considered a service unto God.

And in the letters of the 2nd and 3rd century Christian leaders, we see that they were fully convinced that we are not to build churches or hold worship services.

Now after seeing all this, and you still say to yourself, "It doesn't matter, there is nothing wrong with having church buildings and doing worship services", then your salvation should be questioned. Did you give your life to Christ or you gave your life to man's tradition? Are you truly saved at all? Is your heart pure and sincere towards God or are you doing Christianity simply because you were born into it?

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You got it all wrong. Even Jesus taught in the synagogues in his days.

What he meant is that God is not in any specific location. You can worship him anywhere.

If worship venue is not important, why did the writer of Hebrews said that we should not forsake the assembly of ourselves together? If we are supposed to come together to assemble, then a venue is important.

Apostle Paul in his letters acknowledged churches that meet in homes.

If you read verse 21 very well, Jesus said, 'Nor yet at Jerusalem'.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, NOR YET AT JERUSALEM, worship the Father.

He did not say, 'nor in Jerusalem' in the King James version which is always the most reliable version.

What that means is that a time will come when Jerusalem will be the center of worship in the world. And there are prophecies with regard to that.

So, there is absolutely nothing wrong in building churches. The only thing that is wrong is limiting ministry work to the four walls of our churches. The brethren must be trained to go out and reach the lost. This is where the church is missing it. So many churches are not involved in evangelical activities. Rather, they organize programmes and invite the sinners to come.

It should be the other way. We ought to go to where the sinners are and preach the gospel to them. It's my earnest prayer that we repent and obey what our Lord has commanded us to do.

Jerryhare:


Your stupidity, nonsensical, ignorant etc ought to have tell you that the Christ in front of Jesus means MESSIAH (Saviour) but telling me that Jesus is not the true Messiah really shows how dumbass you are because no one on earth ever bear the name MESSIAH except Jesus alone.

I think I'm done with your folly!

That is why i am trying to help decieved fools like you understand what was hidden from them thousands of year back. The Hebrew messiah never had any meaningless name like that. After kiling him unjustly they changed his laws and credited his story to another. The son of the Creator has no meaningless name. Hebrews has a name that has the name of their creator in it. The vatican creation you all call the son of "God" is an impostor. Truth will make you very angry before it makes any sense to you. No Hebrew person recognise or answer that name today. This is the age of light, use your brain, do your research and cure your ignorance

Jerryhare:


One of the most foolish Bible reader that will turn and twist the word of God around to suit their ignorance and stupidity is what you are bro

your God does not exist

bobestman:
That is why i am trying to help decieved fools like you understand what was hidden from them thousands of year back. The Hebrew messiah never had any meaningless name like that. After kiling him unjustly they changed his laws and credited his story to another. The son of the Creator has no meaningless name. Hebrews has a name that has the name of their creator in it. The vatican creation you all call the son of "God" is an impostor. Truth will make you very angry before it makes any sense to you. No Hebrew person recognise or answer that name today. This is the age of light, use your brain, do your research and cure your ignorance

You this idiot always going about with stupid arguments.

Did David, Solomon, Elijah, Hezekiah and Josiah pronounce their city as "JERUSALEM"?

Go now and tell your stupid and faithless Jews to start calling that city by the name David used to call it then i will know they meant business, until then Jesus is the name of Christ!

Kobojunkie:
Anyways... good luck!

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Workch:
your God does not exist

Says your stupidity right? Folly