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Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Busybrain2233: 9:06am On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17: To know how Jesus Christ is/was connected to David's bloodline. 1 Like |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by kkins25(m): 9:32am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Busybrain2233: no waste time bro. Kobo's beliefs don't come from analysis of the claims made in the document, but from the deliberate acceptance, no matter how odd or flawed, of the book as the divine footprint of God. There's one thing to believe in something because it's true, and it's another to believe in something because one thinks it to be true. You'd continue to go back and forth from here. I've come to call this line of defense the "kobo-loop". At this stage, I recommend you type in CTRL+X to break out of the loop. 2 Likes |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Busybrain2233: 9:38am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Noted Bro. kkins25: |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 11:08am On Jul 31, 2023 |
Busybrain2233: Okay my question for you first: Do you Just want to argue meaningless arguments or you want to truly understand? My answer for you: Jesus isn't connected to David by biological blood in the way you understand. Infact, David and us all come from Jesus (God) In the time of Jesus, many people didn't walk around knowing that Jesus was born without intercourse... They assumed that Joseph and Mary actually got intimate and Jesus came from there. That was the idea, that was enough to paint the picture. A literal intercourse would have meant that Jesus would be born in sin... I couldn't happen. And that was a sign to confirm God's prophesy. Everything that happened was symbolic. No errors were made. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 2:10pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:1. So what you are saying is that both the angel who announced His ancestry was of David and Zechariah, the priest, who was married to Mary's cousin were both made to lie? Mary was not in fact linked to David at all? 2. Born in sin? What do you even begin to mean by that ? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:He was recognized as the son of Joseph... Didn't I explain that it's the same blood regardless? Where is the lie? Did the prophet prophesy that Joseph and Mary will get intimate and give birth? Or the prophet Isaiah prophesied that, "A virgin will conceive and give birth".
Let me explain it: You can inherit your father's wealth, you can inherit your father's debts. God made a law, man disobeyed by sinning, a sinful nature was activated in man (aka fleshly desires) We inherit a body, gene, soul from our Father(s), we also inherit the fleshly desires... The ability to enjoy doing what's wrong. The king of fleshly desires happen to be s€x and this is also a blood bond (covenant) that unites two people (in the climax of their sinful nature or fleshly desires) So babies are typically created when humans are enjoying the highest level of sinful pleasure (as it was originally made to be by the Almighty)... Paraphrase: Babies are conceived in sin. Jesus couldn't afford to be conceived in that sin, He has to be perfect. It's hard to explain well, it's also hard to understand in the first place. Abeg no stress anybody, if you don't see it as a logical claim, let's leave it... Country is too hard for unnecessary wasting of data online. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Maynman: 3:02pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:Are women less than men? Why can’t their children inherit their mother wealth and debts too? If atall there is anyone inheriting sin from your tales, it will be the woman.
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Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 3:04pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:1. Recognized by whom as the son of Joseph? What same blood are you talking about here? Were Mary and Joseph siblings? 2. Please pay attention abeg! The Angel affirmed that even born of Mary, Jesus Christ was of the line of David. Zechariah confirmed in spirit that Jesus Christ was indeed of the bloodline of David. So, why do you keep harping that the blood connection between Jesus and David is through Joseph, a man whom Jesus Christ had no blood relations to? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 3:07pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:So, in your mind, sex between a man and his wife is a sin? You actually believe that God, after carefully designing the Penis and Vagina for exactly that purpose — sex—, and even wiring up all your juiced-up sensory response, condemned it all as sin? Ignorane is not bliss abeg! In Genesis 3 vs 16, God cursed the woman in childbearing. The implication of this is that every child born via a woman into this world — whether she be a virgin or not — is born via the curse of sin. Jesus Christ was born via that curse of sin. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 10:30pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
Maynman: See why God expects you to maintain your own gender? A woman's child can inherit too and all that... But the man always has the upper hand when God is demonstrating stuff... A woman sins, the man is punished as well... |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 10:35pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You just want to argue. Rest. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Again I say — rest. Misquoting people just to achieve your desired point? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Maynman: 10:38pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:😂😂 |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 11:35pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:There is no Truth to any of what you claim, I am afraid. 1 Zelophehad was the son of Hepher. Hepher was the son of Gilead. Gilead was the son of Makir. Makir was the son of Manasseh. Manasseh was the son of Joseph. Zelophehad had five daughters. Their names were Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah.Inheritance and ancestry can be determined either through the father or the mother. The above is contained right there in the Law of Moses and is hence the Law as far as God's Israel is concerned. As for Sin, God made it clear that the one who sins must die. So, there is equally no truth to the claim that God punishes men when women sin. 1 Like |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 11:37pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:I misquoted you? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 11:38pm On Jul 31, 2023 |
preciousee17:You claimed it was wrong for the ancestry of Mary to be established via Mary, His mother, and you have yet to provide a reason why. Why is it wrong to ask you to do so? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 7:25am On Aug 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Later, find a way and ask God why woman committed the first sin but it wasn't a woman who died for us... I mean if you believe in Christ at all... And the Bible always say that man sinned, not woman. "For through one man sin entered the world" 2. You've misquoted me. Is that the trend on NL? Hypocrites misquoting people anyhow? (Don't take it personal, I'm not intending to annoy) This portion you are quoting doesn't even do justice to what I was saying. You just created another line of argument and argued it out alone. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 7:50am On Aug 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Sometimes I wish people could calm down, stop misquoting and have a healthy argument. Just read through everything I wrote and read all your replies... Twisting things so it looks like you've made a point? Can we revisit everything I've said And everything you claim I said? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 7:57am On Aug 01, 2023 |
preciousee17:Ok oh! Let's revisit then. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 8:07am On Aug 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Dig it up, both my claim and your replies let's see something... |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Kobojunkie: 8:13am On Aug 01, 2023 |
preciousee17:You answered none of the questions I asked up to this point....so.. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Nobody: 9:07am On Aug 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Is it hard for you to do this: Kobojunkie: And show me exactly where I said it is wrong Do something like this Kobojunkie: And show me where I said it can't children can't inherit from their moms... Instead, isn't this what I said: preciousee17: What are you even arguing about? Read before responding. I'll leave you to argue with your keyboard from here, unless you can prove to me that I actually said all the things you claim I'm saying... You are seeing but writing something very different. |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by vdestro: 5:19pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
Busybrain2233: Adoption is also a means of lawful connection as proven by the words "isnt this the carpenter's son"? |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Busybrain2233: 6:36pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
Was adoption known in Jewish law of the said period? vdestro: |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by FRANCISTOWN: 6:59pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
Busybrain2233:🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by FRANCISTOWN: 7:12pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
Busybrain2233:Don't mind them. They won't be able give any answers. David and Mary were cousins. Mary was from the household of Nathan, David's son while Joseph was from the household of king Solomon but people called Jesus the son of David because they thought Joseph was his father. Those days in Isreal, you can't be called by your mother's family name. That "Thou son of David" was an error "The root and offspring of David" was an error still 2 Likes |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:26pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
FRANCISTOWN: You're wrong! Jews in Jesus' day have adopted the opinion that when a man is married to a Jew and he's practicing the religion of the Jews he has become not just a son in-law but adopted son of his father in-law. That's why Mary's family lineage was documented in Matthew's account! Matthew 1:16, 18 |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by Busybrain2233: 8:13pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
I wish Xtians will accept it as error FRANCISTOWN: 2 Likes |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
Busybrain2233:It's not, first century Jews do adopt their sons in-law so Jesus is from the lineage of Joseph and Mary who were both indigenes of Bethlehem Ephrata! |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by FRANCISTOWN: 8:50pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Whether documented or not ain't the point here. You are here again with blind argument. No one in those days in Isreal was addressed by their mother's ancestral name. They were a addressed by their father's ancestral name. In fact, when we talk about ancestral and lineage, we are only referring to the paternity household. Not just in Isreal but also in most African cultures E.G David of the household of Jesse Josiah of the household of David. The remnants of the household of Jeroboam 'Of the household of Judah ' of the household of Isreal Eleazar the son of Aaron Nahshon the son of Amminadab, of the tribe of Judah Eliab son of Helon Nethaneel the son of Zuar, prince of Issachar. Eliasaph the son of Deuel and so many of them like that. See the words of your God himself Numbers 1:2-46 “Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel, by their families, by their fathers’ households, according to the number of names, every male, head by head from twenty years old and upward, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel, you and Aaron shall number them by their armies. With you, moreover, there shall be a man of each tribe, each one head of his father’s household. Numbers 26:2-4 “Take a census of all the congregation of the sons of Israel from twenty years old and upward, by their fathers’ households, whoever is able to go out to war in Israel.” So Moses and Eleazar the priest spoke with them in the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho, saying, “Take a census of the people from twenty years old and upward, as the Lord has commanded Moses.”Now the sons of Israel who came out of the land of Egypt were 1 Chronicles 27:1-24 Now this is the enumeration of the sons of Israel, the heads of fathers’ households... Exodus 1:1 Now these are the names of the children of Israel, which came into Egypt; every man and his household came with Jacob. Joshua 2:18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. Leviticus 17:8 And thou shalt say unto them, Whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers which sojourn among you, that offereth a burnt offering or sacrifice... And so much more. In those days in Isreal, they were addressed by the name of their household, and that house hold was their father's household. The "Thou son of David " was because they thought Joseph real fathered Jesus. You cannot be addressed by your mother's ancestral name 2 Likes |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by FRANCISTOWN: 8:55pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: This one will just download erroneous theories from the atmosphere and rush to nairaland to state them to people. That lie you just posted up there, where is a reference text or literals backing it up? 1 Like |
Re: Xtians Answer This If You Know You Know. by FRANCISTOWN: 9:02pm On Aug 01, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: King of lies, you've started again. No one except Mary and Joseph knew that Jesus was not fathered by Joseph. So everyone who addressed Jesus thought he was the son of Joseph. Also, Joseph was already from the house of Jesse and was practicing the religion of the jews, so whatever nonsense theory you quoted is useless. There was nothing like adoption by marriage in the case of Joseph. Also, where did you see that stupid theory that you posted? Was Jacob called "Jacob the son of Laban" because he married Leah and Rachel? You need to start using your head FR 2 Likes |
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