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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Deltamani: 10:08am On Aug 10, 2023 |
Hmm 🤔
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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 10:13am On Aug 10, 2023 |
Deltamani: naptu2:
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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 10:16am On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:The same as Randy saying his coaches were not good enough. Rest |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Deltamani: 10:34am On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:Abeg make I waka Pass ooo😂😂 |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 10:52am On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:Baba, you don't have to defend the indefensible. It's one thing to have issues with your coach, it's another to suggest your teammate isn't good enough. How can you not see that? And how does Randy's own mistake justify this? |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 11:07am On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:I'm apparently not the only one who share this sentiments. Expressing this isn't hating on Ngozi (far from it). It just puts you in a position where you say things you aren't supposed to say. BTW, this has nothing to do with whether they blacklist her from.the team or not.
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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 11:37am On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:U have gone from not up to creative standards to not being good enough. That's a push don't you think? Creativity is just one part of the game. U can be creative all u want but if u don't have a good first touch and can't get past anybody, it amounts to nothing. U know better than to imply she said Toni isn't good enough. That aside, the coach flat out said his assistants were not good enough and nobody died during the world cup. If those coaches can get over his comment, certainly Toni will get over Ngozi's critic. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 11:51am On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:I limited my comments to creative to not stir the pot. She definitely alluded to Toni not being good enough. She said "she's not up to that level yet" but she'll get there. I'm not even questioning her intentions, as I know she said it without malice. But statements like that shouldn't be made in the first place about your teammate. There were other things that happened during the space that I felt shouldn't have. Again, it's not questioning her intentions as I believe Ngozi is a good person. But at the state she's in she'll definitely say things she can't take back. Someone asked about Ify's comments to the Guardian about the appalling welfare treatment the falcons receives and cited the sharing of beds as example. She laughed and condescendingly said she also read it but that is not a problem for the falcons. I was shocked. Osasu had to correct her that it was. The fact that you guys are used to not being treated with respect doesn't mean status quo is the right thing. How do you react to a colleague's genuine welfare concerns as not being a problem? Anyone who read that Ify's guardian article will be appalled by the way the ladies her treated. Even Okobi herself mentioned how they still get just one training kit during camp. I mean one training kit and you think welfare isn't a problem? To be fair, she said other things in the conversation that were enlightening. It was from that conversation I got to know the falcons used to have a B team. This was her response to addressing the home and foreign born controversy currently stirring it's head. I think she gave a great answer to that. She said Kanu, Ajibade and herself all came from the B team. They apparently have a group of girls they think her falcons potential and hold camps for them in Nigeria preparing them for when the opportunity comes. That was enlightening. It still doesn't take away from the points made |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by chrisooblog: 12:02pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Ultimately Waldrum can choose the assistants you want to work with but Okobi can't select teammates she prefers to play with. Criticizing a fellow player when you have obvious flaws in your own game isn't on unless you're Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant who can walk the talk. Honestly for someone who has been to several WCs I still don't get her angst. Even if she claims the coach doesn't like her face her performance in the team would make her invaluable which is not judging by her performance at the WAFCON. BascoVanVeli: |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:28pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:She didn't say anything bad u guys are reaching and u didn't limit anything. Toni has played in 3 other positions for the team so her not being a fit at the number 10 doesn't all of a sudden mean she isn't a good player. If I say Messi is not a good target man number 9, that doesn't mean he isn't a great player. That is just one role I feel he isn't that good at. The fact she said she will get there should let u know Okobi respects her as a footballer. It seems u are just looking for a spicy story. Okobi said she has shared beds in Europe and that's why it is not a big deal. I hope u didn't erase that important part just to prove a point. Of course she won't see it as a big deal if the same is done in Europe. Let the lady breef |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 12:50pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:I'm not trying to make it a spicy story, I'm not a journalist. I also expressly said I don't believe she said any of the things she said with malice. Nigerian journalist are already milking it and she's already getting backlash which is what I envisaged. To provide context, what I'll do is quote her verbatim so people can reach conclusions themselves. Osasu asked " Did we miss you in that game?" (Refering to the game against England. Ngozi responded "I'm not saying that they missed me, I missed myself in such game cause that's the kind of game I play and I play very well..... I'm not trying to brag here but I feel like Super Falcons still need a player like me in the team. We still haven't gotten a creative player. I might not be the strongest player in earth but I have a talent that I don't think anyone can replace right now, so they lack that ". She continued saying "Toni Payne did her best. I commended her effort a lot and I told her and said girl you did great. She tried her best but she's not up to that standard yet. She's a very good player and with time she will get there. But on that kind of game if they had me, even though I know I'm not going to last , I'm going to bring all I have......" To the Ify issue, the question was primarily about welfare and the person cited the bed sharing as an example from the article. She also alluded to reading the article herself. First, sharing of beds for professionals isn't appropriate no matter where it's done. How can you sleep in the same bad with someone you're not married to? That it happened in your club in Europe doesn't make it right. Of course players share rooms everywhere in the world but they don't share bed. They use rooms with double beds (which I earlier mentioned Osasu corrected her on). That isn't even the crux of the question, it bothered on welfare which should have been the emphasis.
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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by naptu2: 12:51pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Go to Twitter, search for Ngozi Okobi and check the "latest" tab. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 12:54pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
naptu2:Just seeing this sef. You see na. Every other important thing she said has been lost because of that statement. Most persons aren't even focused on other important matter she highlighted. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 1:16pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
chrisooblog:U guys are just talking somehow. Is it Toni that selects players? She didn't say anything a real adult won't get over. When Bruno made the comments he made about Garnacho needing to mature and they still had a great season together. Jack Grealish calls Diaz weak every chance he gets because Halaand bodied him years ago, they won a trebble together. Vardy said Ndidi couldn't do anything apart from tackling, they are still teammates. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain said Iwobi liked to arrive late to the facility. Iwobi then said the same thing about Iheanacho. Why are we now acting like talking about ur teammate is an Ngozi okobi thing? |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by daveP(m): 1:47pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:I'm a fan of her cause, but that statement just made me decide to not ever take Ngozi Okobi serious again. That's total BS to trample on your teammate like that. She's not a problematic fellow. She's not the origin of your mishap. She didn't connive with any soul to make any unfortunate circumstance that was detrimental to your selection. But you now decide to not only be myopic in rendition, but also blind and foolish and drop statement that reeks of outright jealousy That's not low! That is rubbish. Toni Payne was exceptional for us that Vera Pauw felt she achieved something big by keeping her silent/isolated in the match against us. Or is it that Toni looks easy to pick on? Cos i can beat my chest and say she can never say such about Oshoala, Ayinde, Ohale, Alozie. Ngozi is just digging more with excavator instead of shovel. Rubbish to pick on Toni. I was on the space too. I think its high time they stop giving her mic. In a bit to prove a point, she's creating enemies among friends. That's not how to go. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by daveP(m): 1:50pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:So we have to be looking for other references to justify that unbecoming utterance because its Randy and Okobi? 😏😏😏😏 Are you kidding me right now? Like seriously?? |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by daveP(m): 1:55pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
ThePresenceWtf:Noticed i got confused about who was playing where cos of the position they turned up the most during that period? We didn't even try the capitalize on weakness approach which would have woked just fine. Pheww. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by chrisooblog: 2:26pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Good write up as usual by Solace. Makes some solid points why the retention of Waldrum in the long term might not be beneficial. https://chaosdigestbysolace.substack.com/p/waldrum-the-reckoning |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 2:26pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:U sound very much like a journalist. Out of all the gracious things she said u chose to go with one half line. She even said she talked to Toni which should have deaded any issue but like a true journalist u wanted spice ![]() This is women's football oga. U people act like there is so much money in the game. Last season Barcelona was the only club in spain that made any profit. She is telling u what professional players are doing and u are saying it is unprofessional. Will u offer ur salary so that the clubs pay for double the hotel rooms? If u want to go through the list of our problems, this would not be on top of the list. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 2:47pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:There's no point going back and forth with you. You're obviously determined to defend the indefensible. That you can't see how 2 players sleeping on one bed as a problem is beyond me. It has nothing to do with a club making profit, it's just bare minimum requirements. No one is saying players can't share rooms, but double beds are provided. I'm surprised she said it's common practice in her club cause that's a law suit waiting to happen. Anyone who shares bed space can't potentially allege to being violated sexually. It's even more ridiculous when you consider a large number of these players are LGBTQ people. Again, the subject itself was about welfare not about sharing beds. She said she read the article didn't she? Talking condescendingly on matters of welfare is the problem especially when raised my a colleague. On Toni's issue, I already put verbatim what she said deviod of my own interpretation so people can form reach their own conclusions.so no point emphasizing that again. On my being a journalist? You're free to believe what you want. It's funny you'll think I'll deny who I am or posture as something I'm not on an anonymous platform. To achieve what exactly? Godspeed bro. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 3:13pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:There is no point in going back and forth yet u made a full reply U funny ooo U use the same pattern for every argument. But look at how ridiculous u sound. So having double beds will stop a sexual predator from attacking at night? Tell me more. Okobi has recently played in Sweden and Spain and she is saying it is normal, which women's team have u played for to say it is not? I said u sound like a journalist. I never said it was ur real job. Wat concerns me about how u feed ur family? I just meant the way u flipped the story was like a journalist. Even from wat u dropped it was just a small piece that was negative but u made it seemed like she destroyed Toni. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 3:18pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
daveP:Keep the same energy. That's all I ask. Ngozi actually praised Toni but people can only see the bad. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 3:21pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
daveP:If u feel this quote is picking on someone u are very sensitive. She continued saying "Toni Payne did her best. I commended her effort a lot and I told her and said girl you did great. She tried her best but she's not up to that standard yet. She's a very good player and with time she will get there. But on that kind of game if they had me, even though I know I'm not going to last , I'm going to bring all I have......" |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 3:26pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:You don't have to be dishonest to make a point. Verbatim means I quoted her word for word. I only left out grammatical errors from her statements, but I didn't add or remove from what she said including her commendation of Toni. Also, you seem to always fixate on the bed to distract from the fact that the issue was primarily about welfare and better treatment for players. I don't need to be a professional female player to know that practice of sleeping on the same bed isn't common practice, and I dare say her experience is the exception and not the rule. Also, going by your logic we should take it as common cause it aligns with Ngozi's experience but forget that the person who raised the issue is a professional female player with her own experience too? Again, stop defending the indefensible. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Deltamani: 3:29pm On Aug 10, 2023*. Modified: 5:52pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Fifa announced officially that Lauren James will receive a two game suspension meaning she would be available for the Fifa Women World Cup Final. A very lenient ruling for a disgraceful foul whether it had been out of character moment of madness it was deliberate act, Nigeria'S player received 3 games for a mistimed tackle in comparison.
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| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AndSunGorilla: 3:59pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:In my opinion the text above is quite bad from Okobi if these are her words 1) why compare Toni wit herself, if it had been me!!!! 2) So Toni is not up to that standard but she is? 3) so Toni didn't bring all she had? Now she did say Toni is a very good player but then she followed up with all the "accolades" and ended up saying she would have done better. I rest my case and I sing the Asake song to myself, "lonely at the top.....wetin u love o no be wetin I go love o" |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by AndSunGorilla: 4:00pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Deltamani:Balderdash from the fifa, different weights for judging. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by BascoVanVeli(m): 4:17pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
lovewins:From the start U never said Okobi commended her. U only talked about Ngozi saying she isn't good enough. Deliberately not mentioning that she said she was a really good player who she already spoke with. About the beds, u are the one that brought up LMNOP and court cases so what the heck are u talking about? If anyone is trying to distract us it is u. So u do know more than a player in Europe? She said it is common practice but u that is not even a woman want me to believe it is not why would she lie about something like that? She was obviously giving u her experience along with what others have told her. The person that raised the issue is a player from America that has only left to play for us. This was basically a culture shock and nothing more. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by Kibbs(m): 4:38pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:The fact that only you see nothing wrong here should tell you a lot. Put down the sentiments for a second and look at it from an unbiased lens. Why would you say a fellow player isn’t up to a certain standard? That’s for the coach to decide and not her. Even when a certain player criticizes, he/she does that to the whole team and doesn’t single out one person. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 4:40pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
BascoVanVeli:Na wa for you. I didn't deliberately do anything. I paraphrased what I felt she shouldn't have said, you in turn felt what she said wasn't wrong if context was provided. It's why I quoted her verbatim so people can reach their conclusions. At least 2 persons here have since expressed same concern as me with context provided so it's not like I'm being unreasonable. She also didn't say it's common practice like you inferred. She said she's shared beds in her club in Sweden. That it happened to her doesn't make it common practice. I didn't also say she lied, I said her best experience is the exception and not the rule. I'll obviously concede if this were true, but from what I know it isn't. Again, the crux of Ify's conversation with the Guardian was welfare. Being treated right isn't culture specific, it's the bare minimum so calling it culture shock is funny. |
| Re: Nigeria Female National Teams' Thread by lovewins: 4:42pm On Aug 10, 2023 |
Kibbs:Don't mind Basco. Lol. We aren't new to this. He likes defending the indefensible. I didn't even comment on the funny things she said about Randy in the same interview cause I didn't think it was necessary. How do you want to play for a coach you speak so condescendingly about? I don't get it. |
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That's not low! That is rubbish. 
U use the same pattern for every argument.